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Why are men less likely to seek treatment for mental illness? (Page 2)
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Because its gay to be that weak. Men are supposed to learn how to handle these emotions not fail. Now its ok to get some help one way or another but to constantly rely on it is terrible.
How is a man supposed to learn how to deal with those emotions if he is shaped for seeking out support?
*shamed
Learn on his own or from friends. In fact i just talked about ways of dealing with depression with a few guys. I was diagnosed young w clinical depression but i discovered a foolproof way to not be depressed. No drugs or alcohol. Gym regularly. Make goals. Boom its gone.
Sterotypes, sometimes the elderly saying its not right for a man to ask for help, sometimes its just that they don't want help, sometimes they just feel that no one would take them serious, sometimes they just wanna die
Stigma and trying to appear strong (which is what a lot of men are encouraged to do from the time they are born)... not feeling comfortable showing emotions.
Because the society is so hard on men when it comes to expressing their feelings
Thats the most pathetic response yet.
@Ryfyle you think that society encourages men to express their feelings?
@Subarugirl Society clearly does not want that. That should be painfully obvious by now.
@Ryfyle why do you think that?
Because the phrase man up comes to mind. I have heard this by the way more from women than men..
So because of the stigma of toxic masculinity?
I dunno what its called... I do know both men and women practice it. You might be the exception to the rule, but most women i have interacted with, the moment you open up to them, they vanish.. My wife is the single sole woman that did not do that. I can't be with someone who i can't allow to see everything about me, if you get my meaning.
My problem with the term you use though, is it is used as a blanket term by lots of leftists to shame men for liking traditional masculine things. For example. I love to fish, I love to tinker with things both electronic and mechanical. I love to fix things. I have been told that i like those things because of toxic masculinity. I've also been told that disliking traditionally feminine things is also toxic masculinity.. I've also been told that i was gay because i love to cook, and take care of my home.. Its like i cannot win.
Toxic masculinity to me is limited to telling boys they are wrong to cry, or wrong to have feelings.. or wrong to dislike some traditionally masculine things (for example i strongly dislike football)
In any case. i rambled enough.
Something else to add @Subarugirl Traditional therapy is geared toward women. Mostly anyway. And a lot of the time the things that work with women dont work with men. It took me months to find a therapist years ago that actually understood me and what I've been through, and actually helped me..
Guys are raised to just suck it up and don't be a pussy. Admitting you need help is a sign of weakness.
I don't have time to talk about my feelings when I am the ruler of Omicron Persei 8!
because men are not as weak to the emotional and spiritual as we are.
How is seeking treatment for an illness weak?
so they can overcome it, they don't wear themselves out. I wonder how you read.
Hi how are you doing today?
My guess is that mentally ill men, or woman (sorry, but Trump is a great example), truly, deeply believe that they are ok, and everyone around them who disagrees with them are the sick ones.
Because we’re taught we need to “be a man” and deal with our problems.
But the truth is, its even more manly to be able to admit defeat when you need help.
It takes a lot of courage to be honest and open up about yourself.
also men that have a learning disabities they can treated unfairly. they need a find to stop the toxic words that men always seem to get called.
I have autism and you would not believe how many people tell me I am just faking it for sympathy.
@Juxtapose NO I wouldn't know but dislike how people catry learning disabilities as children.
It’s not considered wise for a man to show weakness in the world we live in where men are expected to be strong by both genders.
It's easier for men to accept the truth.
So we take action, instead of looking for excuses :D
Heh heh
Because mental health is demonized in it society and admitting to struggling with mental health as a man is seen as weak, which men are trained not to do.
They're expensive and they do jack shit. Men don't heal from trauma the same way that women do and that is what therapists assume.
That what works for women will have the same effect.
The results indicate it does hep though
Maybe it did in the past, but now with "Toxic masculinity" plaguing the apa, the only therapy that will be given to them is all just about "talking about their feelings".
I, myself, wanted to kill myself years ago. I told everyone I trusted and I went to several therapists but it didn't help and all the therapists did was give me book recommendations on the subject. It wasn't until I completed a personal project of mine, which was building a computer, was what finally got me to snap out of it.
I think men heal by proving to themselves that they are able to succeed or be useful without the person or thing they lost.
possibly because they are ashamed more or embarrased or feel like they are a man and its not manly to seek out treatment
just my opinions of course
Because we're men and we can fucking handle it unlike you weak willed, silly women.
And that's why so many dudes are fucked up with issues they don't know how to deal with and can't communicate lol
women get used to going to see doctors
for menstruation
then for
birth control
finally
pregnancy
men dont have these needs to get to know a doctor
What women goes to the doctor for normal menstruation lol, its recommended that men have yearly health exams, and aren't you due to have your prostate checked?
prostate does not get checked until at leased 50
so it sounds like you're right at that age.. Here I found super basic preventative care schedule.
Every 6 to 12 months, get dental and eye exams.
Every year, get a flu vaccine.
Every 1 to 2 years, get your blood pressure checked. Talk to your doctor about how often you should have your cholesterol levels tested. The results can help predict and prevent your risk of heart disease and diabetes.
As an adult, get the Tdap shot. This protects against tetanus, diphtheria, and pertussis (whooping cough). Every 10 years after that, get the Td booster vaccine.
Starting at age 50, get regular tests for colon cancer.
Around age 60, get vaccinated for conditions, such as shingles and pneumonia.
You find more men than women at treatment facilities, so I'm not sure that they are.
Yeah, I don't know why that is. It is troubling for sure!
In general, I truly believe that we as a society should change our attitude towards mental illness and start treating it like any other disease like diabetes or cancer.
Toxic masculinity tells us to never be weak (or show any weakness whatsoever) and to be immortal-like.
And so men carry it through until it backfires and they commit suicide.
I am fortunate not to practice it.
Because they pretend they are stronger and can recover and fight own their own
If my girl asked me to go for mental checkups and all i dont think she would stay by my side for long
@Subarugirl It's a fun way to get shot by the cops. Male + Mental Illness= Unstable psycho killer as far as the rest of society is concerned.
@Subarugirl And why do you bring up these question here? This is not the best way to get Clout.
The most bullshit question ever asked.
I want to know why people think that is, specifically from men.
Because you often belittle men for just about anything.
I think they are shame that if they seek the treatment they will be looked down on cause men are supposed to be looked upon as strong and not weak
Why is seeking medical treatment or having an illness seen as weak?
The flagrant shaming and disrespect we'll get from everyone around us.
I mean we do seek treatment. Hence why the suicide rate is so high, like duuuh. Sheesh, basic logic.
to me it was frowned upon if i wanted mental health help
some day i will look for help haha
Suffering and sacrifice are often our burdens to carry, making it feel like we can’t bother anyone else to share it with
Society owes a collective debt and apology to it's boys and men.
I am not sure how things can change for the better though.
because most of it is just new age bullshit to sell drugs through big pharma.
Usually they recommend therapy first? But why do you think that?
i doubt that. they give out these controversial medications like candy. you ever seen one of those advertisements for meds? the entire commercial is just listing the possible side effects.
most people dont need that shit. only the very small percentage who are very seriously mentally ill need to be medicated. but instead they give out to just about anyone.
I don’t watch tv I talk to my PCP about my health concerns
When I was having a hard time the first thing he recommended was counseling and some natural
supplements to try first.
so when we talk about something, we generally dont take person experiences into consideration. we look at the overall spectrum. And you take a look how many people are on these medications. and then you take a look at what the classification is to start being prescribed.
What i said about it all being bullshit is an opinion. but the numbers themselves are pretty real. 37million people are on anti-depressants. that's like 10% of the population lol. that means for every 10 people you know, one of them is on that shit.
then there's other psych meds too, but its just insane how big pharma pushes this shit.
Yeah big pharma is corrupt, but if you had cancer, or a heart attack, or meningitis you’d still seek treatment for it.
Well most would
thats not the same thing AT ALL lmao
An illness is an illness, they aren’t all treated the same way but that doesn’t make one any less valid then the other
when you're able to actually detect cancer sells under a microscope. but how can you detect this other bullshit?
"oh doctor i feel down, i just got fired and my girlfriend left me"
"you have depression, here's some medication"
LOL totally the same thing.
or how about those "hyper active kids" that they put on ritalin? its a scam.
To look for mental treatment - is to acknowledge the weakness or own defectiveness, and that is less accepted amongst men and in society. Men are also more readily execute their suicidal plans.
because i think the “treatment” is usually not effective, it’s usually either pills or talking about your feelings to a jewish psychiatrist… neither of which are usually that effective 😂
Because mental illness still has a stigma attached to it and even more so for men.
Because men are viewed as weak when we talk about our feelings and emotions, especially by women.
I'd rather kill myself than listen to a woman or some "dude with feelings" yapping at me. If I was suicidal that would definitely put my over the edge
Well we already know that the cause of our mental illness is due to the girl. Lol.
You give someone that much power over you?
Because we are taught, mostly by other men, that we should just be strong and deal with it ourselves. Because otherwise we are not "real men"
They don’t want to be told what to do or that anything is “wrong” with them.
Society (INCLUDING women) look down on weak men. That is just a fact, and every boy grows up knowing.
I’ve tried multiple times, but it’s never made any difference.
Men are brought up to "suck it up" and be "tough". Seeking help is seen as a sign of weakness.
Because it's used against them. Hey inequality exists and we understand it
I'm pretty sure guys are less likely to see ANY medical treatment. It's nothing special about mental illness.
Because we are busy doing all the work that keeps society from imploding
I went to therapy. I got 15 minutes once a month. Its inadequate and a waste of time.
Lol men know they mental
To much sex on the brain
We’re more stubborn and look down at ourselves for needing help and therefore don’t get help
I’d say “toxic masculinity” hurts men as much as women.
maybe because men have less mental problems... lol... just kidding... i dunno, maybe we're tougher on ourselves
because from childhood boys are told that they are strong and they can't cry. but lucky its changing hopefully
Here’s the sad truth: we get attacked for seeking help. It always gets used against us
Society treats men like shit too. Women are less likely to date men who are actively in therapy, guys feel like they need to go in secret.
Less likely according to what?
Sorry, are they more or equally likely and according what source?
Well you said that women are less likely to date men who are actively in therapy, I am just curious what evidence supports that and how you came to that conclusion? Like is this an opinion biased off your experience, or was there an actual study on it?
I take it back, I don't have a source.
You're right about women have 0 bias, but if there evidence that supports that?
If you don't have evidence no one is allowed to recognize or think that therapy has any effect on dating
I am just curious how you came to that conclusion and why you stated it as fact, not an opinion.
I recanted it, you're right I'm wrong
ummm everyone is bias in one form or another
I agree with you, there is no stigma against men, men who don't get therapy are just toxic and terrible individuals.
Dude, I never said you were wrong... I just want to know why you think that, and how you came to that conclusion.
I don't know why I said it, it was a ridiculous thing to assume.
No human male has ever been shamed for opening up, needing, or going to therapy. No human women has ever judged a man on anything but personality.
There's no conclusive data to suggest anything else.
um, in this context sigma is a visible sign or characteristic of a disease. The symptom of a larger issue if you will...
There's no way to quantify a stigma.
The data is representative of the people they asked
okay... I get that you feel attracted and are acting defensive but you can tone down sarcasm. There is no reason do be rude.
Attracted to what? I'm not being defensive, I'm sanitizing now I speak and will only say things that are certain and fact, and data driven. If the data does not clearly state something, it's not vaid
My original point, is not valid anyone who feels that must stop, or they are deluded and invalid
So what the objective conclusion that the data states if not that there's no correlation in men and the me studied happened to exhibit those behaviors?
The graph cannot tell us anything other than what was studies. The concept of conclusions seems compromised as well.
ohh I meant attacked, not attracted lol my bad
I'm not trying to be rude, I'm trying to be semantically correct
Your feelings and opinions are valid. I wasn't attacking you or saying that you were wrong when I asked, Im genuinely curious why you thought that..
It was an emotional which is invalid. Again what's the correct take then?
Your emotions are valid...
You seem to not care to ask that sexist women for a source though.
Why specifically me
well because she presented her opinion, and explained why she why she has that oppinion. She isn't phrasing her opinion as fact.
Yes she is
Oh so If I say "I think the world is flat" is that a valid opinion?
I can't anymore, as a man in therapy, the way you people talk down and dehumanize us really triggers me
She writes a sexist essay founded in nothing and you're cool with juts having that out there.
The reason men don't get therapy is not a fucking secret but you agree with the people who try to make it seem like men choose to be mentally unwell to justify treating them like shit
"but she said it's an opinion" is a shield to be sexist? You're entertaining there BS because it's an opinion?
She prefaced each opinion with "I think" that's not making a factual statement. That only statement she phrases as factual is the part she is talking about scheduling avoidance and how women don't experience those same issues, with is obviously not true but Armourdillo was already addressing that.
So discard her opinion, you're not asking for opinions your asking for facts.
You said "what are men" not "why do you think men"
Well if you scroll to the bottom of my question you will see that I did in fact ask "Why do you think that is? "
So you're basically here to encourage sexism
You want people to generalize all men or in her case blatantly trash them. She walks around thinking all men care more about their IRA than their bodies, which if she has the slightest amount of empathy or respect to see men as humans too, she can see is false.
And you have 0 push pushback for opinions that are clearly bigoted.
What exactly are you trying to do here
I am here to ask people why the think that men are less likely to seek treatment for mental illness. I am not a moderator so if she is violating community guidelines that is up to the moderators and admin to decide. While I disagree with most of what she said it's not up to me to play moderator, though you can use the reporting function to report her comment if you would like.
You policed my original post
No I didn't, I asked you why? Then you got all defensive and sarcastic. I didn't even disagree with you, I just asked why you thought that.
If I answer based on experiences you'll just invalidate it and say "that's juts you're experience"
I didn’t do that with you
Because men are often stubborn, arrogant, and think asking for help affects our manhood.
Because nobody takes us seriously when it comes to these things
Because they're ashamed.
What what mental illness what are you talkin about
suicide is the treatment for mental illness
Too true
True true
This might be your best opinion yet
I plagiarised it from @ImRetarded
He's one of my most hated users
@retard
ok
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"I plagiarized it from @ImRetarded "
Welp technically you sited me so I'm not gonna copyright strike you.
@Cringe If you hate me so much why don't you marry me.
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Cause you can't spell cited retard
lol get grammar corrected bitch 🤣
^^😂
@Cringe Careful talking to me that way. I'll destroy you in Pokémon.
@Joker_ my gramer izz a style of speeking
That's right, you already know not to challenge me in Pokémon for I would annihilate you (with cheap Pokémon and cheesy strategies)
Societal idealisms and insecurity
Because we're not near as crazy lol!
They see it as a weakness