The Meaning of Fake 101: Fake vs Natural. What Men Really Mean.

[loveisbeautiful]

I read a take the other day from someone saying how women are fake because men want them that way. After reading all the comments and stuff, I discovered the take itself was ironically fake and the girl was just trolling (to I guess, piss everyone off). Anyway, there were a lot of men that disagreed with it and many women that agreed with her. Though it wasn't legit, they do say there's “truth in fiction”. I do believe there may be many women out there that misunderstand what a man means when he say's he doesn't like fake women, but instead natural. So, I decided to write this take and break it down for everyone. Which will hopefully help with confusion of what they actually mean.

Definition of Natural: existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind

Definition of Fake: a thing that is not genuine; a forgery or a sham

Now.................let's break it down

Fake is when, you had the natural beauty in the BEFORE's and looked beautiful the way you were but decided to opt for the AFTER's.

It's when you could have a sun kissed glow like this

But instead opted for this

It's when you could have natural looking foundation like this

But instead opted for this

It's when you could where makeup in a sutble/natural way like this

But instead opted for one of these

It's when you could have nails like this

But instead opted for this

Basically, fake is when you take it to the extreme and go so over the top that it's pretty obvious not one part of you is real. Natural is just being yourself and not trying to be someone you are not or it's simply enhancing the natural beauty you already have and just letting it shine.

So, when a guy says he doesn't like fake girls but instead natural ones. They don't mean women who do things to take care of themselves for themselves, what ever it maybe be. They mean women that try to look like someone they are not because they don't want people to see who they really are. Thus, fake. Anyone can look anyway they want, as long as it's in moderation but anything over that can be too much which could be seen as fake, even personalities.

To conclude: natural beauty is this

Fake beauty is this

And, that is what I believe men mean when they say what they say. I'm not a guy though, so if I'm wrong feel free to tell me so. Either way, I hope that helps clear things up a bit.

[xXiTacoXx]

I love how you posted a picture of an already pretty girl with a professionally shot photo for the natural when you and I both know the rest of us look like average potatoes.

Most of us look like:
i.dailymail.co.uk/.../...ge-m-18_1455271861707.jpg
cdn.cavemancircus.com/.../make_up_04.jpg
celebritytoob.toobnetwork.com/.../...7-537x470.jpg
cache2.asset-cache.net/.../515325428.jpg
i.telegraph.co.uk/.../bec_2857794b.jpg
3.bp.blogspot.com/.../IMG_0767.JPG

[hazoplmeught]

so basically ur saying instead of looking like what u really do, u need to paint ur face up. Got it!
... goes to garage... finds paint... lets begin

[xXiTacoXx]

@hazoplmeught PAINT ME! PAINT ME LIKE ONE OF YOUR FRENCH WOMEN, HAROLD!

When you're average to below average you need the paint.

My face needs it. https://prntscr.com/ari7fv

[UncagedAgent]

The point wasn't so much as to say the "paint" is bad. Guys want 'touch ups,' not a 'mural,' feel me?

[blondfrog]

4th one is attractive.

[vekin]

Much better then the other take about fake beauty, that one was stupid

[Relentless_Hippie]

Lol it really was. xD

[Anonymous]

all hot women are narcissistic masochists. We hate it when things are going well, especially if they continue to go well for long periods of time. We know down deep that we are fucked-up and not worthy of anything that is truly good. So when things are going well in a relationship, we eventually sabotage it. We just can’t help ourselves in this regard.

We could have the greatest, most handsome, most well-hung husband in the world—a one-of-a-kind man who makes all of our girlfriends jealous; we could have the greatest children in the world, who are beautiful, well-behaved and ambitious; we could have the most enviable career imaginable; we could have all of the money and prestige and the truly good things in life, and we could repeatedly tell ourselves over and over, and believe, on the surface, that we would never cheat on our husbands. But down deep we know that it’s a lie. Because one day, we could walk into a grocery store, and some bad boy could whisper just the right combination of words in our ear, and the next thing you know, we’re at the Motel 6 getting it in the ass. That’s just how we are, and any woman—especially a hot woman—who says otherwise, is a liar.

[loveisbeautiful]

Are you serious or are you just messing with me? You really trying to tell me all attractive women are cheaters? I don't believe for a second that all of any gender have the same bad behaviors, because not everyone is like that and some people actually have will power to not give in to there desires.

[Opinion Owner]

There are no exceptions to this rule. We use that as cover, to try and make the man feel guilty for questioning our fidelity. What we are really saying here, is, “I will fuck whomever I want and you’d better keep your nose out of it or I’ll cut you off from my pussy and I’ll ruin your freaking life if you keep pressing the issue.” If we really cared about you, and if we really weren’t cheating on you or planning to cheat on you, we would tell you something like, “I am not cheating on you, I love you, and I would never do that. I don’t care if we have to stay up all night, for the next week, and go over every single shred of doubt that’s currently troubling you about this. I have nothing to hide, I would never cheat on you, and I don’t want you thinking these things about me. Please tell me exactly why you think I am cheating, point by point, and I will do anything and everything that I have to do to prove to you that I’m not cheating, in order to ease your worried mind.”

[loveisbeautiful]

Yeah, sorry I don't agree with that because if that's true that make this world and the people in it more screwed up than I thought. And, if that is truly the case all people like that should just stay single and sleep around, if that's what they truly desire. Why put another person through all that pain, because that can't keep their desires in check. That's not right.

[Opinion Owner]

Because we dislike ourselves, we fervently hate any man who doesn’t see through our bullshit. The more a man loves us, the more we hate him. The more he overlooks our sins, and the more he fails to see how corrupt we are, and the more he gives us the benefit of every single doubt – the more we despise him. We will escalate our bad behavior until we finally break him and he wakes up and realizes how worthless we are and what a fool he has been for believing in us.

[loveisbeautiful]

That makes no sense though, why would one hate that somebody loved them? And, what makes one think they don't see all their flaws but are just willing to take the good with the bad because no ones perfect? I mean, I get not feeling confident in ones self and I get not feeling worthy of another person but all that other stuff makes no sense.

[Opinion Owner]

Our faces are fake (makeup), our hair is fake (dyed), our boobs are fake (some of us), everything about us is fake. Most especially when it comes to what is inside of us. We lie constantly, because we are far worse, character-wise, than even our closest friends or lovers will ever know, and we desperately fight to keep all of that hidden.
We are looking for our true daddies, basically – the idealized daddies that we never had – somebody who can see through all of our false fronts and call us out on our bullshit and put us in our place. The problem is, those type of men are very few and far between.

[loveisbeautiful]

Okie dokie.

[Opinion Owner]

We are constantly poking, prodding and testing a man, in order to find out what his boundaries are. If he has no boundaries, we will destroy him, especially if he loves us. A man has to have boundaries, and he has to outline them precisely, and he has to force us to adhere to them with the power of his conviction and the power of his action. If he doesn’t do that, we will beat him over the head with his weaknesses (his lack of boundaries) until he breaks.

[ShaeNielson]

If you don't have naturally just go get it.
This is fake, too: www.hercampus.com/.../Fresh-Natural-Makeup.jpg and this www.inikacosmetics.com/.../content-images-10.jpg
This, however, is real unrealitymag.com/.../...ities_without_makeup_4.jpg and this 3.bp.blogspot.com/.../IMG_8992.jpg
and also, opposite to your defintion of natural, this 40.media.tumblr.com/...m5kc83htUE1rtyogvo1_500.png and this 40.media.tumblr.com/.../...hrtMhx1u9n0woo1_500.jpg

Fake is not bad, looking like a cheeto with 10 pounds of eyeshadow is bad.

[AleDeEurope]

No one likes fake people. That's a fact. You can ask everyone in the world if they like people with fake personalities, and I bet my arm and my two legs, than every one of them says they don't like fake personalities.

I hear every woman say the way they look is an expression of their personality... and men say that too, cause it's true.

Therefore, if your looks are an expression of your personality, and your looks are fake... that means, your personality is fake too, after all, it's an expression of it.

So yeah, we prefer natural women cause those who look fake, are fake people too.
I see all these girls say makeup makes them feel more confident, and I'm not arguing with that, but they shouldn't argue when people call them fake.

[AsianFlower]

Here we go with fake personalities again. Do women really show up as "fake" when dating a guy? That is just so hard for me to comprehend because I'm not like that and I don't know anyone like that.

[AleDeEurope]

@AsianFlower As I said, if looks are an expression of your personality, and your looks are fake... then looking fake must mean you have a fake personality. I don't know about you, but to me it perfectly adds up... unless you don't believe looks are an expression of your personality.
Women will look fake when dating a guy if those women wear fake hair, fake nails, fake tan, a huge load of makeup, fake boobs...
A little makeup to highlight your best attributes, like eyeliner or lipstick, is fine, but all that other stuff? That screams FAKE.

[AsianFlower]

Ok, I understand what you are saying but I see it differently.

To me, a woman wearing fake hair, fake nails, fake tan, a huge load of makeup, fake boobs, etc. means that she VALUES superficial things. But if that is what she values, whether right or wrong, and she lives according to those values then she is still be authentic to her true self. It's just that her true self isn't very meaningful.

In my mind, a woman being "fake" is trying to be something she is not. Like saying she loves hiking or woodworking just because you do. She may fake enthusiasm for certain things, but the truth will come out sooner or later. You'll find out that she doesn't like getting dirt under her fingernails and she can't tell the difference between a jig saw and a miter saw.

[cinderelli]

*Upvote*
and girls using tons of makeup are mostly trying to hide their insecurities.. same is the case with stupid lip and boob jobs.. nothing attractive about someone who cannot even accept their natural selves.. .. :/

[AleDeEurope]

@cinderelli Exactly! Thanks :)

[StarsInTheEyes]

I think what you said about looks are expression of personalities make sense. For some people, the reason why they put a lot of makeup is to feel confident, and I can imagine that for those people, there must be insecurity and lack of confidence in themselves. Otherwise, they wouldn't have needed those make up in order to feel confident, so their makeup express how they are, and that is lack of confidence. I think fake looks & lack of confidence go hand in hand.

However, that doesn't necessarily mean that those who need makeup to feel confident are pretending to like what they don't, or to dislike what they like, although lack of confidence might lead to confusion with self, but in that case would be an unintentional faking. Then, there are those who intentionally making effort to be someone else, to dress and put makeup like someone else does, in order to fit in. But if they were to be confident in who they are, they wouldn't have moved and would stay unshakable in who they are.

[StarsInTheEyes]

I believe that anything fake, whether concrete (look) or abstract (personality) hurts, but fake personalities hurt more. Either hurt others (e. g, lying, making false promises), or hurt the person's self (e. g, betraying self, wasting energy to be others).

[ManOnFire]

Great Take. Exactly the point. Though I really don't see why it would be so hard for women to understand what we mean about fake. It's really not even complicated. It's just as you said. I saw that girl's Take you mentioned, and I responded to her that she only wanted to admit that women have a problem if she could blame men for it, to which several men and some women agreed with me on.

If women want to be fake and change themselves, that's their choice and their problem, but don't go trying to blame guys for your lack of self-esteem and confidence in who/what you really are.

[Seneya]

I do agree with this take but I have also something to say. While men hate too much makeup some men don't really like our natural looks. Few years ago I used to one of those girls who didn't like to use a small hint of makeup products. And that's why guys never really approached me. They would pick up the dolled up faces over me. It took away my self confidence honestly. My ex didn't really like how actually I looked so I started using makeup so that he could find me attractive (I did bad I know).
I still do minimal makeup but I'm also comfortable with my own skin. So yeah, some guys are really shallow and only judge a book by it's cover.

[SakuraChii]

Yea I think when some guys say that they go for a natural look, they mean a woman with attractive facial features. Which goes into why some wesr makeup unfortunately :/

[SakuraChii]

Wear*

[Seneya]

@SakuraChii True enough. What they want is "no makeup" makeup look. Full coverage face with looks really "natural" with light lipgloss and eye makeup that isn't catchy. But they still want makeup. So I don't believe that guys actually don't like girls with makeup. Girls just have to be a pro in order to deceive them.

[RJGraveyTrain]

I don't believe there is "fake beauty" per se. Every person has their own perception of beauty, and while I get that changing your appearance is not natural I don't believe there is such a thing as "fake beauty'. Otherwise no painting or piece of artwork could be considered beautiful because it's an altered canvas.

Don't get me wrong I do actually agree with the take overall, just not with the whole concept of defining beauty as one thing or another.

[poppunk]

This 👌🏻👌🏻

[RJGraveyTrain]

@poppunk :)

[hazoplmeught]

so this is how a girl explains why she paints her face, understandble

[Anonymous]

Let me do you a favour okay?

A woman by your own admission wrote a FAKE take, which men pointed out was bullshit. And women agreed with her.

If there's one gender that obviously doesn't know what the fuck men mean, it's women. This disqualifies you from trying to inform the world what men mean.

Second point, as the men answering the bullshit pointed out, but which women the world over seem incapable of grasping... Men are simple. If we say we like X it means we like X. Not that we like it compared to Y or only on a Tuesday or when we are trying to impress a girl. It means we like X.

YES it IS that simple. We are that simple.

You can now return to your blissful state of happy confusion, asking "But what does that MEAN?" and then five seconds later telling the world incorrectly what we "really" meant.

[loveisbeautiful]

So, basically you are saying nothing I said in this take is actually what men mean? If so, you could have just said I was wrong lol. It's fine, it's just I what gathered from an observation perspective.

[Poppykate]

I think that where the confusion comes into play is the term 'natural'. Natural to women is I just roll out of bed. Where 'natural' to men is ' at least make yourself presentable woman!'. E. g. Brush hair/ teeth, make sure clothes are clean and presentable, maybe a little lipgloss and mascara. You know... Tidy!

[StarsInTheEyes]

I think brushing hair and teeth are fundamental and personal hygiene that women (and everyone in any gender) should do for themselves, regardless of whether men or others emphasize or not. But I can't understand how putting mascara is natural.

[anonymous83]

yeah... all those fake nails, and eyelashes. The gobs of makeup, and the spray tans... BLLGGHH!!! I've seen customers come in with fake nails so long their disturbing. Then there's the ones that come up to the register with their fake lashes either falling off, or on crooked. I just don't get it. What's so bad about being real? I'd rather be myself.

[Anonymous]

Yes. Everyone looks better somewhat done up. As per my own opinions and my guy friends:

It's fine to add extensions to your hair. But if your hair ends up touching your ass, it's over the top and fake. If it has a mullet effect it is fake and gross. If it adds some length and volume but isn't obvious you're good to go.

It's fine to dye your hair but if it's ghost white when your natural hair is brown or black it looks fake. And stupid.

It's fine to wear foundation but don't make your face powdery or chalky. Wear foundation that matches your skin.

Eyeliner goes a long way. But don't make it so thick that you look like a different person without it.

Etc.

[SakuraChii]

I feel like this is almost common sense but you did explain it good with the taking it to the extreme. I think I and other girls know that some guys get natural beauty confused with women who are actually wearing make. Not only that but I feel like if you mention that you have false nails or lashes some guys on here automatically assume that its like the pictures you mentioned 😕

[Spiorad_Aisce]

Thank you - I have been thinking this for a long time that both genders have been misinterpreting each other throwing points at each other that were clouding the argument. I try to get around it but it sounds like a clause in a legal document. What I say "I prefer little/subtle/light/nude/no make up that gives a person a very light make up or natural appearance".

[HeWhoPonders]

Sir, I must say this- *looks hard* Ma'am! This Take pretty much captures exactly what fake vs reality is... and it was written by a dudette.

Damn girl.

But yes. Particularly when you pointed out that you can enhance your natural beauty with makeup without being fake. I like to think of it like adding colors. Say you're the color blue. Adding more blue doesn't make you an entirely different color than you're supposed to be, it just makes you more blue.

[cinderelli]

very nice mytake.. highlighting your best features is totally fine.. like with do with clothes.. e. g mascara is fine cuz it is just giving a better look to your natural eyelashes.. fake eyelashes.. or falsies however show something which you don't really have.. it's not what you've naturally got.. most attractive thing is carrying yourself with confidence..

[loveisbeautiful]

Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Make up is to cover up imperfections and flaws. The better job you do the worse it is for us. The more it becomes false advertising. It besides the point if its a natural type make up look or totally decked out with colors. As long as she is hiding her imperfections and flaws and the more difficult it is to notice that (meaning better make up) the worse it becomes. Also it makes her 'think' she's an 8 when in fact she's a 6 because her make up is done so well.

[FemWorship]

Real is better than fake
all the time no matter what
for art is in the eye of the beholder
and matches are made in heaven,
at least one for each

[Dargil]

What you see here is not women trying to improve their appeal to men. It is competition with other women. Men do this principally in competitive sports. An approximation to women is male body builders and "wrasslers" like Hulk Hogan.

[AsianFlower]

I disagree. I think these women are trying to amp up their sex appeal. The problem is that they don't understand that what is attractive to women is not what is attractive to men. Women rely too much on the media to define what "beauty" is instead of just taking note of what guys actually like. IMHO

[Hannah591]

If using fake things makes me feel more confident, that's all that matters to me.

[AleDeEurope]

But why don't you try working on feeling confident with yourself, instead of keep lying to yourself and being fake? After all, you're only confident with all those fake things on. That confident is fake too.

[Hannah591]

@AleDeEurope I feel confident as I am usually. I just like to feel more confident sometimes.

[LittleSally]

Agreed! But not many people will agree, though. Sadly.
But hey, to each his/her own...

Love the beautiful fresh face that girl next to last has. =)

[madhatters4]

great take and you nailed it in almost every way.

fake definitely doesn't anyone who wears makeup or gets their nails done, it's more about when a person really doesn't look like themselves anymore.

[Anonymous]

I'm ugly, I wear makeup just to look better (like duh) so that I don't get treated like shit in the public, or at least by sales associate especially when I'm going to some makeup stores. Girls will get what I mean, some staffs at Sephora will judge you when you're not wearing makeup or so whatever. If the society don't judge, then I would definietly be make up free, which is I believe most girls will do.