So much more could be accomplished by investigating why people have the desire to kill other people.
Instead we create a system a fail safes to catch people with intent. We set ourselves up for failure while never tackling the underlying issue. The result is a growing animosity towards law enforcement n adherence to traditions that divide people as 'good' or 'bad'.
"Hurr, if Australia banned guns and it worked, why wouldn't it work here?"
Simple, because america is NOT the same as Australia. Seriously, if people complain that america is already pretty violent, banning guns is the last thing you want to do. That is, unless you want america to become like Brazil (where only authorities are allowed to have guns but we still have 10k firearm deaths a year).
You might understand us a bit better if you tried being here for a while. Our violent crime rate is a lot lower than most gun ban countries. Part of it is that it's more dangerous here to rape beat and rob people. It's not like the UK, where a person in a wheelchair or an old lady is guaranteed defenseless.
Lol justify however you want. You're the one who has to live there After children were killed in Australia the whole country was so shaken we had to change something. But that's the difference between you and us. ✌🏻️
There are about 80 million law abiding private gun owners in the US. There are more private firearms than there are people, and there are trillions of rounds of ammunition owned by those same people.
Trust me. If we were the problem you'd know it.
We aren't though. Almost none of us has ever fired a round in anger, and we don't ever want to. We just enjoy shooting and value the safety that comes from being able to provide for and defend our loved ones.
That said, how much money would you want to go around knocking down doors to steal all those guns? I think it'd be a high risk occupation, lol!
@Dionysos I still stand by my opinion that a home owner doesn't need an assault riffle to shoot down a deer or for target practice, but at the same time I think it's hard to tell if the gun massacres are increasing in volume or if it's just the fact that we can hop on the computer and see it as soon as we open the front page of the internet. Which basically means everyone sees the news as soon as they arrive at their 8am job.10 or 15 years ago they never had so much news information on the internet like they do now. You had to watch TV and many americans didn't do that back then.
@red324 Keep in mind that the 2A has nothing to do with hunting. Its purpose was recreate a chilling effect on the part of human nature that makes people so prone to corruption and abuse whenever they get a bit of power.
So you do support banning muslims to stop another Orlando or fort hood or San Bernardino from happening here? Since you are bashing that people won't take action after this?
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The strictest gun laws didn't stop ISIS from shooting up Paris and Brussels with illegal automatic assault weapons and bombs. A few licenced concealed carry citizens could have saved lives. Liberals refuse to see the truth ISIS bad, immigrants bad. Its very easy to buy firearms in America but if you want to avoid background checks all you need do is buy your ilegal automatic assault rifle from your local Mexican gang member as the Mexican cartel smuggle guns across our open boarder.
He had a gun license. Doesn't matter if guns are illegal south america exists. And just how we get all our drugs , we get all our illegal guns there too.
Ok lemme just say something they banned narcotics how are they still here the same way guns would be imported in if guns were outlawed you see bad people will always do bad things, now guns have saved many lives but TV censorship doesn't want you to know that wanna know why because the fucking liberal agenda is so backwards and oppressive that they want our right taken away slowly
um i dont like any of the people running for president but i do think there should be back around checks one people before given a gun but no im not giving up my gun you can forget that its just not going to happen
@CompleteStranger1234 um off the top of my head when him and my ant wore together he dragged her around by her hair and beat her he threatened to burn down my moms house when i was only 7 months old with my mother my dad my ant and his 2 sons inside and to other kids he ran over a 12 year old boy with his truck when he was drunk and did not even stop to see if he was ok
@justbanANNAz stop immigration. Your leaders dont give two monkeys fucks about you lot though. These events serve political movements like taking away citizens rights
@justbanANNAz neither am i. Theyre all the same politicians no matter where theyre from. Sick, calculating, evil bastards who lie like its a hobby. They serve the elite not us and now there's globalisation their infection is spreading everywhere. Me n you dont count for anything. Neither do those shot. Obama will be up again pretending how shocked he is and bla bla bla
@Dionysos @bluenose1872 yeah i dunno what to say tbh. i just dont think that guns should be defended. yes people kill, and yes the government is shitty across almost all nations now, so until people suddenly decide not to be idiots and the government fixes itself up, this will not get solved, and i hate that, because a solution seems so unlikely at this point.
In other news, 50+ million gun owners didn't kill anybody. Oh wait, that wasn't in the news. Or maybe I just missed that story.
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The media/government/politicians have you all brain washed. The American people are bored, lacking education, & have way too much free time. Guns & Muslims are not the problem, idle time is.
so far no one has been able to explain to me how one more gun law would have prevented this. Murder is illegal right? This all happened in a gun free zone right?
@WombRaider yeah, I agree. It wasn't that he was a religious extremist - he had demonstrated intent to commit acts of violence previously but nothing was done. Not that much could be done, given the extremely lax gun laws in the US.
You also said it had to do with religious extremism, which it doesn't. Someone who was on the FBI watchlist for three years was allowed to purchase a firearm because of the extremely lax gun laws and complete lack of competent oversight.
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Wha a stupid and ridiculous post. What just occurred is a borderline/terrorist Attack.
Instead of being a Sissy, Islam should be condemned.
Perhaps you would admire the Orlando shooter more had he did a Suicide bombing like those cool guys in the Middle East instead of shooting
So much more could be accomplished by investigating why people have the desire to kill other people.
Instead we create a system a fail safes to catch people with intent. We set ourselves up for failure while never tackling the underlying issue. The result is a growing animosity towards law enforcement n adherence to traditions that divide people as 'good' or 'bad'.
"Hurr, if Australia banned guns and it worked, why wouldn't it work here?"
Simple, because america is NOT the same as Australia.
Seriously, if people complain that america is already pretty violent, banning guns is the last thing you want to do. That is, unless you want america to become like Brazil (where only authorities are allowed to have guns but we still have 10k firearm deaths a year).
Yep. I can picture somebody going door to door to collect em all up. Lol!
I live in Australia
I can't imagine living in the US amongst people with such ignorant views while people die :(
You might understand us a bit better if you tried being here for a while. Our violent crime rate is a lot lower than most gun ban countries. Part of it is that it's more dangerous here to rape beat and rob people. It's not like the UK, where a person in a wheelchair or an old lady is guaranteed defenseless.
Lol justify however you want. You're the one who has to live there
After children were killed in Australia the whole country was so shaken we had to change something. But that's the difference between you and us. ✌🏻️
And while your gun crime dropped, your violent crimes increased overall.
Sorry for hearing what happened in USA. What a tragedy. I am afraid America is now gone too far.. it might be too late to restrict gun.
There are about 80 million law abiding private gun owners in the US. There are more private firearms than there are people, and there are trillions of rounds of ammunition owned by those same people.
Trust me. If we were the problem you'd know it.
We aren't though. Almost none of us has ever fired a round in anger, and we don't ever want to. We just enjoy shooting and value the safety that comes from being able to provide for and defend our loved ones.
That said, how much money would you want to go around knocking down doors to steal all those guns? I think it'd be a high risk occupation, lol!
@Dionysos I still stand by my opinion that a home owner doesn't need an assault riffle to shoot down a deer or for target practice, but at the same time I think it's hard to tell if the gun massacres are increasing in volume or if it's just the fact that we can hop on the computer and see it as soon as we open the front page of the internet. Which basically means everyone sees the news as soon as they arrive at their 8am job.10 or 15 years ago they never had so much news information on the internet like they do now. You had to watch TV and many americans didn't do that back then.
@red324
Keep in mind that the 2A has nothing to do with hunting. Its purpose was recreate a chilling effect on the part of human nature that makes people so prone to corruption and abuse whenever they get a bit of power.
To create.
So you do support banning muslims to stop another Orlando or fort hood or San Bernardino from happening here? Since you are bashing that people won't take action after this?
The strictest gun laws didn't stop ISIS from shooting up Paris and Brussels with illegal automatic assault weapons and bombs. A few licenced concealed carry citizens could have saved lives. Liberals refuse to see the truth ISIS bad, immigrants bad. Its very easy to buy firearms in America but if you want to avoid background checks all you need do is buy your ilegal automatic assault rifle from your local Mexican gang member as the Mexican cartel smuggle guns across our open boarder.
He had a gun license. Doesn't matter if guns are illegal south america exists. And just how we get all our drugs , we get all our illegal guns there too.
on the FBI watch list but was able to buy an AK47...
yea, that was talked about. How was it possible.
Ok lemme just say something they banned narcotics how are they still here the same way guns would be imported in if guns were outlawed you see bad people will always do bad things, now guns have saved many lives but TV censorship doesn't want you to know that wanna know why because the fucking liberal agenda is so backwards and oppressive that they want our right taken away slowly
um i dont like any of the people running for president but i do think there should be back around checks one people before given a gun but no im not giving up my gun you can forget that its just not going to happen
They do background checks...
It's illegal for felons to have guns...
@CompleteStranger1234 not true in all states
Pretty sure it is...
@CompleteStranger1234 if it iss thy are doing a crappy jobs because my cussins dad has been in and out of prison his whole life and has 15 guns
So report him...
@CompleteStranger1234 done it befor he just gets more latter
Crazy...
@CompleteStranger1234 he is crazy its why i stay as far away from him as i can and so dose his sons and thare mom he needs to stay in prison
What did he do?
@CompleteStranger1234 um off the top of my head when him and my ant wore together he dragged her around by her hair and beat her he threatened to burn down my moms house when i was only 7 months old with my mother my dad my ant and his 2 sons inside and to other kids he ran over a 12 year old boy with his truck when he was drunk and did not even stop to see if he was ok
Yeah well your cousin's dad is case in point of "when has the law stopped anyone from getting things they want?"
So you think that all the law abiding citizens should forfeit our weapons and hope for the best?
either that, or let the sociopaths roam around the globe and prepare for the worst.
@justbanANNAz no stop letting crazy folk into the country. Sounds like there's plenty already
@bluenose1872 easier said than done, no?
@justbanANNAz stop immigration. Your leaders dont give two monkeys fucks about you lot though. These events serve political movements like taking away citizens rights
@bluenose1872 and yours do? lol I'm not here to talk about "my country is better than yours". way too childish.
@justbanANNAz
People will always be dangerous. Are you safer when the response is immediate or waiting half an hour?
@justbanANNAz neither am i. Theyre all the same politicians no matter where theyre from. Sick, calculating, evil bastards who lie like its a hobby. They serve the elite not us and now there's globalisation their infection is spreading everywhere. Me n you dont count for anything. Neither do those shot. Obama will be up again pretending how shocked he is and bla bla bla
@Dionysos @bluenose1872 yeah i dunno what to say tbh. i just dont think that guns should be defended. yes people kill, and yes the government is shitty across almost all nations now, so until people suddenly decide not to be idiots and the government fixes itself up, this will not get solved, and i hate that, because a solution seems so unlikely at this point.
In other news, 50+ million gun owners didn't kill anybody. Oh wait, that wasn't in the news. Or maybe I just missed that story.
The media/government/politicians have you all brain washed. The American people are bored, lacking education, & have way too much free time. Guns & Muslims are not the problem, idle time is.
Thank you. Someone gets it, although I wouldn't say we are lacking education.
so far no one has been able to explain to me how one more gun law would have prevented this. Murder is illegal right? This all happened in a gun free zone right?
Maybe breaking 3 laws is the magic number?
Because appeasing terrorists, and importing more of them, will work so well. :P
Gentle reminder - The NRA does NOT exist in Paris, Belgium, Jakarta, London, etc.
Way to misquote Trump... if you can't even be honest no one is going to take you seriously about your anti gun arguments.
As long as I can have a gun, I don't really care what laws they put in place.
Better to be an armed civilian then a unarmed corpse right.
You could always just stay in Ireland. Just look at how gun laws kept Northern Ireland safe over the last 6 decades...
This is why Donald J Trump needs to be president! It's not a gun control problem. It's a religious extremism problem.
Unfortunately, this tragedy occurred. But it had nothing to do with gun laws or gun control. It had everything to do with religious extremism however.
But I agree. We need to do something. How many lives are going to be lost before we admit we have a problem?
The fact that this murderer had guns shows there are gun control issues.
He was on the FBI watch list, yet still had full access to automatic weaponary - this should tell you something.
@WombRaider yeah, I agree. It wasn't that he was a religious extremist - he had demonstrated intent to commit acts of violence previously but nothing was done. Not that much could be done, given the extremely lax gun laws in the US.
@WombRaider I said I agreed. :/
@LaVilaine Did you read? I said I agreed with this take.
You also said it had to do with religious extremism, which it doesn't. Someone who was on the FBI watchlist for three years was allowed to purchase a firearm because of the extremely lax gun laws and complete lack of competent oversight.
@LaVilaine Okay...