The debate between pro-lifers and pro-choicers.

[Anonymous]

Everyone knows that an abortion will terminate a child, it's a no brainier really. However, there is always the debate between the two groups: pro-lifers, supporters of bringing an unwanted child into the world regardless, and the pro-choicers, who believe that every woman should have the choice on what to do in her own life and to make birth control more available.

In my personal opinion, I would have to choose the pro-choice movement. The reason being is that I am against abortion, but at the same time I want to make sure that there is no real needing to get one. As such, I firmly believe that birth control should be made more available and affordable for women and men, who participate in sexual activities, to get ahold of.

Now with the other issue about adoptions, I personally feel that the ones who are so eager to scream adoption should also be as eager to adopt these children in adoption centers. There are too many children in adoption centers and few people who want or qualified to adopt.

In all opinion though, everyone is special in what they believe in and should also be respected on their opinion.

What is your intake?

[Anonymous]

I believe that no one should force a woman to give birth if she doesn't want to give birth. Simple as that.
Just like I don't have to donate blood or my own kidney to a stranger just because it would save their life, I do not have to donate my uterus unwillingly to be a fetuses life support machine.
The fetus has no concept of life or death, have no nerve endings and does not 'feel' being aborted.
A sentient woman should have more choice in what happens to her own body than an undeveloped zygote.
And abortion is the hardest choice any woman will ever make. Its not easy, and people who shout horrible things and shame women who get them are the absolute scum of the earth and are the REAL people who deserve to rot in hell.

[Longblackveil]

She isn't really forced to give birth though. There are many contraception options, many for free now. For the most part when someone gets pregnant, they made a choice not to use any birth control options. That was the choice.

Pro lifers aren't against choice, but once you make that choice (ie:unprotected sex) we believe you should have to stick with it

[myTake Owner]

@Longblackveil you are also aware that birth control does fail as well. If she doesn't want to carry the child for nine months, that's her choice. I really don't see that many people heading to adoption centers anyways to adopt the child.

[myTake Owner]

Also anonymous - I agree with you as well. I also hate the ones who shout adoption, but meanwhile are not willing to adopt the child when it's put up for adoption. Whenever I'm able to qualify to adopt, that's the first thing I'm going to do. I care enough for the child on this earth to give them a loving home.

[cipher42]

@longblackveil: Yes, she is. Just because she had one out before hand doesn't mean not giving her the option for an abortion isn't still forcing her to have the child. Like if I go for a walk at night and get mugged at gunpoint. The robber is still forcing me to give up my money, even though I had the option to not go for a walk in the first place.

[Longblackveil]

I just wanna say I've been through this in a way. I got my girlfriend pregnant when we were both young. we first chose to abort. I okd it, we tried an experimental abortion pill. It didn't work. At this point I'm very glad it didn't. In fact everynight when I'm laying with my kids I thank God that it didn't, because I'm not sure how I would handle that.

After that we were able to find a lesbian couple willing to adopt very quickly, I realize that's not the case for everyone, but there are a lot of gay and lesbian couples who want kids. That's a better option than abortion in my opinion.

Now I take care of them by myself and honestly it's great. Things have really worked out for us. I think people often don't know what they really want. IM pro life, I don't really want to tell people they can't abort. Because there are certain circumstances where abortion is maybe the best thing to do. But I don't think just "not wanting a baby" is one of those circumstances, you can't create life and then

[Longblackveil]

Just take it away. There ARE situations where birth control fails, but I think we can agree, most of the time, it's just having unprotected sex that results in pregnancy. In that case, you've made a choice already. You just don't want to live with it.

I could argue your points, but instead I just wanted to share my story of the reason I changed my views on abortion. It's a necessary evil, but far too many times it's an unnecessary evil

[cipher42]

@longblackveil: That's great for you, but understand that your one personal experience does not apply to everyone. It doesn't serve as any kind of evidence. Adoption just ain't an option for a lot of people, and they shouldn't be forced to use it even if it were. And any reason for abortion is valid. The woman should have full autonomy over her own body, and the particular reason for exercising that autonomy does not change the abortion itself.

And why do you consider yourself pro-life if you don't want to tell people whether they can or can't abort? That seems to be the definition of pro-choice instead.

[myTake Owner]

I understand where you are coming from. Though if you are really 22 years old that is extremely young to be a parent in my point of view.
I can agree that some cases are with unprotected sex, but you still can't tell the woman what to do. She would still get an abortion even if it was illegal.

[crazyincalifornia]

What about the guy?
does he have a say in your opinion?

[myTake Owner]

If the guy is still active in my life after I tell him I'm pregnant with his child, im open to discussion. If not, he made his decision not to be involved.

[Opinion Owner]

Adoption is for women who don't want a baby, abortion is for women who don't want to give birth.
Giving birth takes a HUGE toll on a woman's body. Some women don't want stretch marks or weight gain or bladder problems in the first place. Not to mention the vomiting, and the vagina literally ripping open and then weeks if not months of healing from it.
Child birth is something a woman should be happy and willing to go through for her baby, not something that was forced upon her because she was refused an abortion.
Plus, if you have more than 3 births its actually bad for your uterus and loosens the ligaments and raises your chances of cancer (While abortion has no link to cancer despite what prolifers might try to get you to believe). So if a woman wants kids WHEN she's READY she shouldn't have to put up with more births and more risks than she wants (aka babies she was forced to have and maybe gave away)

[KHaskins]

The fundamental difference between the two sides is that one side recognizes the unborn as fully human, with all the protections that come with that, and the other does not.

Despite the accusations which fly in both directions, I don't think anyone in the debate legitimately wants to strip anyone of their rights, including the woman who is considering an abortion.

[myTake Owner]

I'm pro-choice and I still see the child as a potential human, we need to also put in account that there are miscarriages and stillbirths that happen.
Also you really haven't met half the people I've met.

[myTake Owner]

I just feel that both sides should find a way to make birth control 100% effective so that this decision wouldn't be made.

[KHaskins]

Not "potential human," "human-human." I've talked to people on both sides. I've seen some whom most pro-lifers call nuts,
and I know many on the pro-choice side think the same of supporters of partial-birth abortion.

I discounted the certified nuts on both sides in favor of the mainstream.

[KHaskins]

re: your second post, about the only thing that could be done is involuntarily sterilizing people at birth and switching the bits back on when they decide to try for children. Even if we violated everyone's freedom like that, say the mother changes her mind about the pregnancy a few months in? I don't see any way it goes away forever.

[myTake Owner]

With sterilization there would be no way to become fertile again. Also I meant getting the birth control, the pill, the condom, the morning after pill, etcetera, to become 100% effective.

[KHaskins]

I understood that. Wouldn't make people responsible enough to use them consistently (even handing them out for free doesn't achieve that), and it wouldn't prevent situations where the mother changes her mind at some point during the pregnancy and the father still wants the child.

[myTake Owner]

I don't know many married women that do that though.
Generally an abortion is performed, where I'm from, when the father is not in the picture at all.

[LovelySerene]

I believe if you don't understand the risks of sex, then you shouldn't be having sex. Tons of people (idiots) think that contraception is always 100%, which it's obviously not. I don't see any problems with using protection or anything... but people need to learn that there's always a risk... and if they can't accept that, then it's their own fault.

I only agree with abortion when it comes to certain situations like rape, really young age, and serious health conditions.

Other than that, then I think people really need to learn that there is no action without consequence.

(BTW the only way I'd ever have kids is from adopting)

[myTake Owner]

That's great you want to adopt. I'm in the same boat as well and then have my blood child.
Generally its unmarried people who get abortions and they range from 14 - 25 and don't really pay attention. I personally wouldn't get an abortion, but people need to realize that women will get abortions if they want one regardless.

[LovelySerene]

I know... I'm just stating my opinion

[myTake Owner]

And I appreciate it.

[throwit]

Pregnancy and childbirth should not be a punishment, especially if you were actually using some form of birth control and it fails.

[LovelySerene]

It's not a punishment, it's called "understanding consequences" Everything in life has consequences... don't like it? Grow up.

[myTake Owner]

That's still considered punishment in a way.

[LovelySerene]

Well if they can't handle it, then they aren't mature enough to have sex anyways.

[myTake Owner]

Or financially stable. Raising a child does cost money even to give birth to one.

[LovelySerene]

Right, the problem is, most people don't want to admit that scientifically and genetically, the main purpose for having sex is pregnancy, THEN pleasure... not the other way around.

[myTake Owner]

Though humans are different from other animals in the animal kingdom. Some animals mate without courtship, we on the other hand go through a long process, depending on what it is. Also if we were meant to only have sex for reproduction, a lot of people wouldn't be doing it every night. In my opinion the human nature is to have the pleasure of it and then once able to afford a family, reproduce.

I'm just stating my views on things.

[LovelySerene]

Well I'll never understand that because I have no sexual desire, it just sounds like they are setting themselves up for drama.

[myTake Owner]

As stated before humans go through a courtship before they become active with someone. Also every human female is different because we are physically able to think, like males, and make decisions.

[myTake Owner]

No other animal has that type of process when it comes to reproduction.

[myTake Owner]

Also it should be noted that other animals in the animal kingdom abort their offspring as well.

[LovelySerene]

Yeah, my opinion isn't changing

[myTake Owner]

Understood. I wasn't trying to change it, just explain on it.

[crazyincalifornia]

There is no debate at all.
Why would I let anyone else make that decision for me
Other than the guy
He would definitely have a say
Something many women conveniently forget.
Pro Choice is Pro Smart.
:))

[myTake Owner]

Agreed. I would talk to my boyfriend and see what his thoughts would be.

[kheserthorpe]

there is a massive wait list to adopt babies in every first world country.

[myTake Owner]

May you show me this evidence? Also what about the other children around the world?

[kheserthorpe]

For some discussion of US wait times and costs see
mobile.reuters.com/.../idUSBRE90E15Y20130115

Note that foster kids need homes. But that's not adoption. ideally they are temporary and go back to their birth family.

As for international adoptions there's demand but major issues with guaranteeing the kids being adopted actually DON'T have family. The fees to arrange adoption are so high relative to local incomes there's fear the kids are actually being sold, so many countries have shut down or severely restricted foreign adoption.

In any case, when it comes to abortion, the real question is: when does it become a unique human life with it's own rights? Before that it's birth control. After that it's infanticide. That's really all that matters.

[cipher42]

Young white babies though, if I'm not mistaken? The foster care system is still way over filled. And even considering that, women should not be obligated to carry a child to term just because someone else wants one, so how viable of an option adoption is doesn't matter.

[kheserthorpe]

@cipher42
I agree it's a non factor.
- the wait list for non white babies is shorter but I think there's still pretty high demand. That said some people are uncomfortable about that (a lot of te demand is still white parents)
-foster care is a double whammy- older kids and you typically can't adopt them either. You are just helping them till their mother is using slightly less drugs or whatever.

[Anonymous]

Unfortunately, the founder of planned parenthood was associated with the K. K. K. and the NAZIS Party. Therefore, I do not trust Planned Parenthood.

[myTake Owner]

If she was associated with the nazis she would have lived in Germany and not in America. Also may you show me the evidence?

[Opinion Owner]

Here is the proof. https://www.spectacle.org/997/richmond.html

[crazyincalifornia]

Such BS
always a guy
always a chicken Anon with a tiny dick
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Opinion Owner]

@crazycalifornia Such a lying progressive NAZIS. You make your commissars proud.

[myTake Owner]

Opinion - nazi is considered illegal now and days. Also I trust planned parenthood since I go there for my breast cancer.