Am I the only one who can't stand muscular guys?

[Chico_brah]

All of them are arrogant and have a pea sized brain. that muscle doesn't even look good. There is this guy named Chad in my math class that keeps popping his pecs and smiling at me.

I honestly prefer the skinny look. Literally can't stand these people. There is no reason to look like that.

[kitty71]

I like muscular guys in good shape but it depends how much muscle they have I dont like huge musuclar guys though. But you are correct many musucalr guys are cocky and arrogant cause they need to show off and flaunt their almost perfect bodies and make people jealous, so they are arrogant cause also they become self absorbed and for them everything important has to be the physical attraction not the intelligence.

[redeyemindtricks]

Pea-sized brain...
Hm. His hindbrain still works, at least, right? So he can shut up, get hard, and fuck?
... That's workable, then.
:*

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The pec-popping is weird af... lol.
But, see, the great part about being a woman is, we don't HAVE to actually *look* at the guy we're fucking.

Doggystyle: For all those tender moments when the visual would just ruin it.

<3

[singlebee]

This is why I love you older women ;-) 💗

[redeyemindtricks]

@singlebee I've always been this way, dude. I'm being a *little* cheeky, but, not much.

[singlebee]

I think many mature women are like you :-)

[redeyemindtricks]

@singlebee... No.
Really... nope.

Read the backstory, if you want:
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q2133788-what-are-your-experiences-with-depression-or-bipolar

Trust me dude, the one thing a guy *really* does NOT want, is a relationship with a woman whose sex drive is higher than his own.

[singlebee]

Yeaa I can understand that she would want sex more than the guy...
But I was saying that older women are so experienced and this bodies are better too... like so mature..

[Chico_brah]

Lol I've fcked some butterfaces over the years. by the way I think you got a cougar hunter on your radar redeyes.

[redeyemindtricks]

Haha *you* always have to face towards whatever you're fucking, tho... butterface or not.
We can close our eyes and think about someone else entirely, and you'd never ever know 💋

[Luci92]

Ahhhh, today I met up with an old friend, and he brought three of his other mates who are all verrrrryy nicely muscular (doing well for teenage boys that looked pretty average a year or two ago) and when we got to the beach and they took off their shirts, I died and went to heaven.

only bad thing is that with the inflated muscles comes the inflated ego... *rolls eyes*

[redeyemindtricks]

"only bad thing is that with the inflated muscles comes the inflated ego..."

^^ This is easy enough to keep in check, with the right combination of (1) witty/slightly sarcastic comments AND (2) actual smiling/flirting.

It's... uh... I'm kinda disappointed in girls as a whole, tbh, when I see how few actually do both of these at the same time. Usually, when you see a girl who actually has the wit thing down, and who can actually come up with decent comebacks... she's just being a cold bitch all the time. And when you see a flirty girl, she just kinda does that half laugh thing while the boys are beating their chests.

Srsly, if you learn AT ALL to balance both of these things at the same time (and stay in decent shape, and don't dress like shit), you will pretty much own the entire world of boys. You will own them. They will all be yours.

[Luci92]

@redeyemindtricks *puts on glasses, takes notes.*
Makes sense though.

[redeyemindtricks]

You wear glasses? Sweet.

[Luci92]

@redeyemindtricks I wish ahah, I tried on a friends pair of glasses once and a guy told me I looked like one of those 'teacher porn stars' so I went to the optometrist very fast after that, to see if I needed a pair, but nup, perfect vision!

[redeyemindtricks]

You could always get reading glasses and take the lenses out like a weirdo... lol

[Luci92]

Ahahah definitely not that desperate lol

[redeyemindtricks]

<3 would be fun for dress-up I mean... ffuuuuu woman

Do you do Halloween down there? (half an hour behind ofc... bahahaha)

[Luci92]

true true, but not for everyday ahaha.
Yeah we do, but it's not nearly as big as you guys. We get the occasional trick or treater and sometimes a few houses decorate the front yard, but nothing extreme.
I really wish it was bigger though, I love any excuse to get free candy and dress up ahaha.

[redeyemindtricks]

ahah last year 2 different kids (at 2 totally different houses) actually RAN to their parents when we rang their doorbell, and were like "... The REAL Wonder Woman is here!"
 

I'm tellin ya, that made 40 seem like the awesomest possible age imaginable. I kinda played it off like it was nothing, but I totally spent the next two or three weeks walking around with this smirk like "Yeah all you fuckers, I just won at life, the rest of you are second place or worse." 

I kinda want to do something different this year, because #teamshorthair... but after that reception? Might just have to be WW again.

[Chico_brah]

@redeyemindtricks Lol few people in real life can out wit me. Concerning gag I think lost alice is pretty fucking good lmao. 15 year old has skill.

[redeyemindtricks]

Yeah, she's pretty sharp. There are a few others I could name, too.

I do have to say, though, that **in real life** there are VERY few situations in which a prolonged debate between a man and a woman doesn't... start to look pretty ridiculous, pretty quickly.
Honestly, in those "altercations", the victor is determined about 70% by tone, snappy comebacks, and just overall spunk... 20% by flirtatious insinuations and innuendoes (which combine to give what I call "insinuendo")... and only about 10% by the actual things that you're saying.
Dude, I could EASILY win most real-life arguments with men by just looking at them the right way -- like a combination of 1/2 Mata Hari and 1/2 mommy who needs to change their diaper -- and reading the fucking phone book to them. It doesn't even MATTER what I'm saying most of the time. <3

That's what's so interesting about the internet -- especially because only a tiny handful of people here have any idea what I actually look like (which is mostly to

[redeyemindtricks]

prevent the type of situation in which my teenage kid's friends find my smuttiest posts and give him endless shit... not anything to do with myself, per se). I'm not really used to talking to people who aren't pretty much physically overwhelmed by me right from the start, so... ahah the internet has been a learning experience for me. But, a good one.

Can you hold yr own in the kind of "argument" that I just described tho?
With an actual gf/fuck buddy you could just grab her and throw her against the wall or whatever (and believe me, this is why a lot of us start arguments in the first place, especially about stupid shit)... but, I'm talking about random women you're NOT fucking, and AREN'T especially attracted to. (But aren't so repulsed by that you couldn't get flirty with them, either.)

[Chico_brah]

@redeyemindtricks " especially because only a tiny handful of people here have any idea what I actually look like" I bet you're a hot cougar.

I can relate to what you're saying and I agree that it's not so much the words that come out but the complete package. How you present it. The general population seems to be intimidated of me by default lol. That's not a subtle brag, that's the truth. I think I could handle my own in both situations. Seriously I haven't had someone really put me in my place within an argument.

[redeyemindtricks]

I mean... lol if you ever come across someone who's REALLY good at this, she'll put you in yr place without you even knowing she's put you there. <3 Only certain onlookers will know.

It's kinda like cracking a joke where (1) the person who's the butt of the joke doesn't know it at all -- and might even think it's a compliment -- AND (2) the cool people get the joke, AND anyone who would be offended or butthurt WON'T get the joke.
Those are... ahhh those are beautiful moments. They're the social equivalent of the one-handed catch in college football where the guy JUST scrapes one foot in-bounds.

I mean, remember that I basically generate 90 percent of my client base by... socializing. Mostly with guys with big egos, too. I'm really really REALLY good at this. :*

[redeyemindtricks]

^^ @chico_brah

[Chico_brah]

@redeyemindtricks Someone would have to come at me with a different approach than that. I know my weak points, we all have them. I'm not that dense to the point where it divert rational perception. I can sort of see that barrage coming before they hit the punchline so to speak

[redeyemindtricks]

@chico_brah lol ya

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@Luci92 "when we got to the beach and they took off their shirts, I died and went to heaven"

^^ Do boys/guys down there in upside-down-land always wear their shirts 2-3 sizes bigger than they should, like they do here?
Fffuuuuuuuuu woman... I swear that should be a ticketable offense. Like... if you're fine enough, you have to pay a fine for covering it up. (Isn't that why they would call it a "fine"? Lol)

[Luci92]

@redeyemindtricks ahaha no they just wear those really pathetic excuses for a singlet, srs, they're all in something like this:
static.freshpair.com/.../4792.jpg

[redeyemindtricks]

Bahaha
I like those for one reason... specifically, the ease of reaching in, pinching a nipple HARD and then running away like a naughty schoolgirl. (Try it you'll like it!)

The newest thing these days is the "stringer", which is ::pssst lean in close girly:: ... which is... a woman's cover-up tank.
Boys just gave it a new name, so they can think it's sufficiently "masculine" ahaha. A lot of them even have the racetrack, where the straps come together just behind the neck and the top part of the back is super narrow and centered.

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I mean... don't get me wrong, boys can look good in these sorts of things.
Hell, boys can even look good in crop tops... #mmhmm (think of the stereotype cutoff football jersey... minus the pads). It takes a certain panache to pull that off, but, it can definitely be done.

I just don't like when anyone is "try-hard". Or when boys get butthurt if I make fun of the fact that their clothes are just like girls' clothes (those low armholes -- SO like a

[redeyemindtricks]

beach cover-up).

But I was originally asking more about normal t-shirts. A lot of guys wear them SO loose that you don't even know they have such nice bodies! ffuuuuuuuu

[Luci92]

@redeyemindtricks sounds like fun xD
definitely glad that's not a trend here ahah.

[Chico_brah]

When I first started training I wore those types of shirts. I cut them and you could pretty much see my nips lmao.

[redeyemindtricks]

The "stringer" trend is mostly a gym/fitness thing.

[Luci92]

@redeyemindtricks Ahh right.

[redeyemindtricks]

Although in all seriousness... what's interesting is, guys with hot bodies have to deal with almost exactly the same issues as we do, when it comes to choosing clothes and such.

I mean think about it:

• People will notice if they wear stuff that "shows off too much", and will toss out insults at them accordingly ("slutty" for us... "gay" for them).

• It looks really bad if they're try-hard about it.

• If they know how to dress, they can dress in ways that HINT at their bodies -- or that show off what they've got underneath, while still being technically conservative.
If they know how to do this, then they'll intimidate the shit out of other men (just as WE intimidate the shit out of other WOMEN if we know how to do this with *our* clothes).

• They can enhance their bodies in ways that aren't technically "natural". There are lots and lots and LOTS of ways this can go wrong... but, when it's done right, it's pretty awesome to behold, and the results WILL be attractive to

[redeyemindtricks]

the opposite sex -- although haters will hate.
Here I'm thinking of the use of anabolic steroids for guys (which *can* be safe, if it's done in moderate doses and with a VERY comprehensive knowledge of harm reduction)... as a weirdly perfect analogy for things like breast implants, tummy tucks, and other sorts of cosmetic surgery in women.

So... yeah.

Also, I think a lot of guys are more uncomfortable than they should be with the fact that these issues ARE issues -- because they're guys, after all, and they get conflicting messages about that whole thing.

The MAJOR difference is that **ONLY** the top couple percent of guys, body wise -- let's just say the top 1 percent -- have the kind of physique where these things are issues at all. For every other guy, it just doesn't matter. (Honestly, if the AVERAGE guy lost 30 or 40 pounds, it wouldn't do a lot for his physique in terms of pure attractiveness -- he'd still be "meh". Although he would look better facially.)
... Whereas EVERY

[redeyemindtricks]

woman who's not, like, morbidly obese or clinically deformed deals with these issues on the daily.

... but, if we *are* thinking about those top 1 percent of guys... yeah, it's actually pretty remarkable how similar their situation is to ours.

[Chico_brah]

@redeyemindtricks I wouldn't say top 1% lol. I think at least 5-10% of the population have genetics/bone structure to go get into the IFBB. 1% is way overkill. I'm def not 1% and I get attention like that hence why I wear hoodies most of the time. It's rather annoying when a dude on campus randomly shouts steroids at you across the room. It's dependent on the area as well. Over here in chico not a lot of guys have physiques. It's almost a rarity to see a guy with a physique walking around. Back in OC, I trained/worked at an LA Fitness where literally everyone had a physique and was running a shit load of tren lol. This was an intimidating gym to train at for noobies. If people see it all the time it's not as big of a deal. I think LA it would be even more so.

If you a physique that is better than the majority of the male population in your area then people will always through derogatory comments at you in envy. Your shirts that fit fine will be "too tight".

[Chico_brah]

People will talk mad shit on you as you start to blow up. I had a friend that said I was a try hard as well. He started pointing out flaws in my physique that didn't even make sense when we trained together as usual. He told my arms are too small in comparison to my chest. He said my left arm was bigger than my right even though I had a lot of inflammation in my rota tor cuff on the right side so it was actually the opposite.

[Chico_brah]

Also if you wear polo shirt with a physique you're probably going to look at is the biggest douche bag in the world lol.

[redeyemindtricks]

That 1 percent is what people are actually walking around with, bruh. Not "genetics/bone structure".

My girlfriends are NOT "frenemies" of the kind you're describing, but, lots and lots and LOTS of girl-groups are. To such an extent that, if one of the girls is totally improving herself, the rest of the "frenemies" will totally try to sabotage the effort -- like offering her sweets and sugary girly drinks all the time ("Come on girl, LIVE a little!").
I didn't know boys really did that -- but, honestly, I'm not surprised.

When there's any women around, boys are way way way way WAY more catty, passive-aggressive, and backstabby than women would EVER be. It's baaaadddd dude. It's bad enough that I'm 100.0000% convinced that integrating women into men's military units would be a very, very, very bad thing for cohesion.

[Chico_brah]

Plastic surgery is pretty big especially in the Newport area where I'd rage most of the time. LA seems to be the same way. It's almost a given that most of these guys are on TRT or some shit. This whole aesthetics movement is huge and I think it's blowing up in comparison to before. Steroids are no longer underground, people discuss them openly. It's a normal thing. I say that not just because I'm surrounded by steroid users but rather I'm pretty observant. I've bounced at a lot of clubs in LA and OC. Mostly OC. Having a physique is a dried out shredded physique is almost normal thing, so I can see what you are saying when you emphasis 1% but I still think you don't be be top 1% to have the same issues that girls have in these situations.

[Chico_brah]

@redeyemindtricks Lol at the military reference. I think it was a huge mistake to let women into the ranks of 03. That's an entirely difference discussion though. Yeah that reminds of my friend that I was talking about. He literally turned into a female when I started using gear. When went out to a club and I started getting more attention than him he would almost sigh. He was the guy with Mercedes and the leader of the group before.

Girls that are trying to tie you down do the same shit with the food and sugary drinks towards guys. "Why are you at the gym so much.." You don't need to get any bigger.. Had I chick I was seeing that would constantly flame you out on me when I would pull out a Tupperware meal saying I need to 'enjoy my life'.

[redeyemindtricks]

OK dude, you can stop spectrum-ing on the exact percentage. (: "A select minority of dudes". There. You happy?

But, then, you're pretty much on board with the rest of what I'm saying there? About... having a similar set of experiences?

[Chico_brah]

@redeyemindtricks You can label it at whatever percentage you want ahaha I was just putting my thoughts in there. Yeah I completely agree with what you're saying. I mean if I have to deal with this kind of stuff I could only imagine what your clients deal with.

[redeyemindtricks]

Everyone's experiences are different.
But, it's actually a cool moment when some dude who's spent so many years being callous/indifferent to women's situation in general (mb not entirely his fault, he might just be really bad at putting himself in other people's shoes) suddenly finds himself dealing with the same issues -- and it all leads to a better understanding overall. It's always good when people understand each other. <3

Polo shirts can look good on guys with longer torsos relative to the rest of their bodies. They can look especially good on guys who have naturally wide waists, without much taper -- like the typical underwear model look.
Like Kellan Lutz, for example -- who has a 34"-35" waist even when he's completely shredded (fuckin' A, right) -- is the kind of guy who can look bomb in a polo shirt. (= EXACTLY the opposite of the "fitness model" physique -- most people don't realize that underwear models and fitness models are actually polar opposites)

[redeyemindtricks]

Like here, this is Kellan Lutz
cdn03.cdn.justjared.com/.../...tz-shirtless-16.jpg

That ^^ is the kind of body that looks great in polo shirts.

He would probably look like shit in most white or light-colored t-shirts or tanks, too. He might even look "fat", depending on how his obliques poke out of the shirt on the sides, and depending on how he stands.

[Chico_brah]

@redeyemindtricks Yeah I actually noticed this lol. I mean I have tiny waist dude. Even when I'm bulking I have a 29 inch waist. When I really cut down it's been down to almost 27 lol. My lats flare out naturally and I have actually only train my back with rowing movement instead of pulling because I'll lose the proportion. I don't think a back can ever be too thick to where it out of proportion but it can look too wide. Polo shirts def don't go well with me.

[Chico_brah]

@redeyemindtricks With clothes in general it's hard for me dude. It's not to say that I'm so fucking big to where I can't fit in things, but rather a lot of clothing just looks awkward on me. I think a lot guys that are bodybuilding have this issue. I think that is part of the reason why you see these guys with really loose clothes half of the time.

[Chico_brah]

@redeyemindtricks I pretty much just wear all fitness apparel these days. Even companies like livefit kind of rest on me a little weird though. My friends company lastset. co fits me perfectly. Not a lot of selection but I get all the shit for free.

[redeyemindtricks]

"I don't think a back can ever be too thick to where it out of proportion"
^^ It can. I've seen guys whose upper bodies literally look like chef hats, or mushroom clouds, from the back.
I *THINK* this may partially have resulted from postural issues, too -- the 2 guys I'm specifically thinking of have some lordosis in their spines, and they slouch A LOT most of the time with their heads and shoulders too far forward. But, honestly, both of them would look MUCH better if their backs were less "thick".
But... ehh. You win some you lose some.

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I really like the small waist look. But, I also don't like TOO MUCH bulk. My man is 5'11" (rounded, he's pretty much exactly 5'11" after sleeping for a while and he's more like 5'10.5" after squatting heavy and/or being awake for a long time), and he hangs around the high single digits bodyfat-percentage-wise, and his weight usually hangs around the mid 170's, and that's plenty big enough for me. (He has a VERY slim bone structure, so, this

[redeyemindtricks]

should be interpreted accordingly -- he's Jamaican/Haitian, so, think of the way Usain Bolt or Asafa Powell is built, minus a few inches of height.)
The small waist is... ahhh fuck mmhhhhh dude. Wanna wrap mah legs around that shit and never ever ever ever ever EVER let go.

The thing with him is that he's QUICK. The boy is fuckin lightning. Remember he's an actual dancer, and he still has those reflexes from growing up on the streets. He's just... fuck it's like he has negative reaction time, in all sorts of situations -- everything from defusing a fight, to wrapping MY ass up in the bedroom, to saving our kids from injuring themselves (he's had a couple of impressive moments there).
I honestly wouldn't like it if he bulked up much more than where he's at now -- because I like the fact that his physique broadcasts QUICKNESS. Stealthy scrappy street boy. <3

But, I also know that my tastes in boys aren't totally normal, either (... for one, I think he's the perfect height even though

[redeyemindtricks]

I have 3 inches on him in mah bare feets). I know plenty of women are all about the bigger dudes with wider backs and thicker everythings -- almost to the point where they look like they should lumber around like Paul Bunyan.
And, a bigger dude would look better if he gained weight, too (like the "bouncer" look). My husband and I would both look way, way, WAY worse with even twenty extra pounds on us. It is what it is.

[Chico_brah]

@redeyemindtricks No I completely get that. I understand women are attracted to difference things. I just don't believe people when they say muscle is ugly lmfao. Obviously with a GH gut puffy 3D delts it loses it's appeal but shit lol. I get that people have different taste. Would you compare you husbands physique to a mixed martial artist? That's kind of what I'm getting at.

[Chico_brah]

@redeyemindtricks Speaking of MMA lol. It's probably the best idea for me but my friends roomate here does it and has been kid of tempting me to get into it. I'm going to an MMA gym on Thursday with him. I haven't wrestled in a long ass time lol. I think my physique works against me as well.

[redeyemindtricks]

"I understand women are attracted to difference things. I just don't believe people when they say muscle is ugly lmfao."

^^ MOST women would be VERY turned off to find out that a man spends more time and/or effort on "beauty" and "maintenance" than THEY do.

I mean... this is actually a pretty subtle piece of subtlety. There are tons and tons and TONS of women who...
...1) would be SUPER turned off by a guy who spends hours in the gym FOR THE SAKE OF his body being perfect;
···••• BUT •••···
...2) would LIKE a guy who has a muscular body **and** who "works out a lot".

You get me?
Those are basically the same thing -- just with different spins on it -- and, yes, MOST women would HATE the first one, and MOST women would LOVE the second one.

Think on that. Wild world huh.

Some women are also genuinely ATTRACTED to "cuddly" guys... but, these aren't going to be the kinds of women who want to break the bed, if you get me.

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"Would you compare you husbands physique to a mixed

[redeyemindtricks]

martial artist['s]?"

^^ Still nah. MMA fighters can't fight dirty like a street fight, so, they still need proportionally more bulk/mass. I don't follow MMA, but, the MMA fighters I've seen have been bigger than my man.

His physique is, like I said, closest to what you're gna find on Jamaican sprinters.
He's built a LOT like the Jamaican sprinter Yohan Blake, who is also 5'11" and who weighs about 165-170 lbs... so, just imagine slapping about 5-10 extra pounds of muscle on Yohan. Look how impossibly small his waist is:
1.bp.blogspot.com/.../...-le-11-septembre-2011.jpg

My man has the same kind of build. His waist is so small that his ab muscles literally take up almost the whole width of his torso, when he's shirtless... ahah. Like this pic of Yohan
img.poptower.com/pic-98179/yohan-blake.jpg?d=1024

I haven't seen this exact kind of body on anyone except black

[redeyemindtricks]

guys, tbh (and it's even more specific than that... it's pretty much only Afro-Caribbean guys, not black guys of other extraction. "Go triangle trade!" he says... fuck, I'd get murdered for that joke.)

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I also really really REALLY don't like... anything that's VISIBLY artificial... and I have a really, really good eye for that sort of detail, too.
Like, this is Nesta Carter (another Jamaican sprinter):
67.media.tumblr.com/.../...0XE6c1qmee6fo1_1280.jpg

I actually DON'T like Nesta's upper body -- because it's too obviously the result of exogenous drugs. Just look at it, you'll know what I mean -- everything from the relative fullness (versus the dryness of the rest of him... those things don't happen together in "natural" physiques) to the vascularity. I don't like it.
... For the same reason lots of guys don't like OBVIOUSLY fake tits. I totally get it.

I mean, I'm 100.000000% sure that

[redeyemindtricks]

Yohan Blake is on drugs too -- as is everyone else at that level of competition -- but, he doesn't LOOK like he is necessarily on drugs, and that's the point.

When you hear women saying they don't like muscle guys, they may be saying they don't like the kind of muscle that is OBVIOUSLY artificial -- and they may just not be able to articulate that thought well enough.
They may not even CONSCIOUSLY have this preference. If you look at that picture of Nesta -- or of someone like Dwayne Johnson (who is on, like, all the drugs under the fucking *sun* dude) -- it's just completely obvious that something is "off" there.
... and lots of women can probably SEE that something is "off", WITHOUT being able to articulate exactly what that thing is.

Being able to have that perfect physique WHILE STILL HAVING "PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY" -- in other words, actually still being within the bounds of "could possibly be natural at a glance" -- is VERY rare. And almost universally appreciated.

[Chico_brah]

@redeyemindtricks There are some smaller MMA fighters as well. I mean look at Nate Diaz.
a.fssta.com/.../...PI.vresize.1200.675.high.31.jpg

Dude, just like you with pixie cuts I'm just going to have to agree to disagree. You are rendering emotion to the physical attraction of a well proportioned muscular physique. Women right off the bat, don't know if you obsess over your body or you're just a guy who works out. There is no fucking someone is telling me women don't find muscle attractive when I'm literally living this first hand lol. From just a physical standpoint, these types of physiques look amazing and I KNOW women appreciate it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA7vuO2RLow
Most women DROOL over this shit. This guy looks amazing.

[redeyemindtricks]

4 things

1)
EVERYTHING is "emotion". Including attraction. That shit doesn't happen in a vacuum. You will absolutely be more or less attracted to different things -- and/or will be attracted to those things **in differing ways** -- based on yr emotional state at the time.
... You and everyone else in the whole world.

You also need to think about women's monthly cycles, and about how LOTS of women have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT attraction triggers at different times in that cycle.
You might see a woman hating on guys who are built like that -- but then hooking up with guys who are built like that.
Is that "hypocrisy"?
Maybe... but, maybe not. She may have just been on day 23 of her cycle when she was throwing shade, and on day 11 or 12 when she hooked up with the dude.

... More generally, STOP THINKING IN SO MANY ABSOLUTE TERMS. I know you are a smart dude, but, that's the one way in which you honestly just seem sort of dumb -- or at least very un-worldly-wise -- sometimes. Js.

2)
"Women,

[redeyemindtricks]

right off the bat, don't know if you xxxx..."

^^ I'm not just talking about right off the bat bruh. There ARE relationships that last longer than a night or two, y'know, and that are based on -- and/or influenced by -- the things that the two people grow to know about each other.

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3)
"There is no fucking someone is telling me women don't find muscle attractive when I'm literally living this first hand"

^^ Yeah, "firsthand" is the point. You get how that limits yr perspective here, right?

ANALOGY:
If I run an Italian restaurant, and I decide to make inferences from THE PEOPLE WHO COME INTO MY RESTAURANT, then I'm gna say shit like... "Dude, EVERYONE loves Italian food! All the everybodys! Every single one! How could ANYONE think there are people who don't like Italian food!"
Bla bla bla bla survey bias bla bla bla. You get me.

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4)
As I already said, I am WAY better at picking out tiny little salient details of things. Everything from little tiny quirks in someone's writing

[redeyemindtricks]

style, to things that show some piece of art is a forgery (or that some branded lipstick is a fake ::shakes fist::) to things that tell me internet people are liars about their experiences (not talking about you).
**AND** dude, I do this stuff for a living, so I know exactly what drugs do and don't do to people -- which enhances that perception even more.
I already acknowledged that personal bias here. I am absoultely picking up on things that 99.995 percent of the world's population would not even DREAM of being able to detect.

[Chico_brah]

@redeyemindtricks baha I'll get to you in the morning I'm about to go out for the night.

[TheInvisibleMan]

Nothing wrong with looking muscular. But I do get what you are saying, they are often assholes. And thats not a coincidence, since 90% of guys who are muscular nowadays are using chemistry (steroids n shit) and that makes them even more retarded. I know I love punching those guys in the face when they wanna act tough

[Chico_brah]

Yeah exogenous testosterone lowers IQ.

[TheInvisibleMan]

And their IQ was already pretty low (considering they chose steroids). And it also makes them more agressive

[G-Daz]

images.wisegeek.com/male-muscular-torso.jpgOver generalisation... I'm naturally quite muscular but I intend on making more gains.

I intend on getting something like this
www.stepbystep.com/.../...ealthy-Muscular-Body.jpg

but this is closer to how I think my body looks

[Elarra]

Yeah, I'm not really attracted to men who look like that honestly. I prefer slender, but not skinny. Like a swimmers build is okay but that Terry Crews and John Cena look guys are going for is a turn off. Not gross, just not overly attractive to me.

[ElissaDido]

Eww muscles? 😷
I like my man with some thigh gap ❤️

[singlebee]

Hahahaa... really?

[madelacroix]

Please don't be serious

[ElissaDido]

@madelacroix what? :/ it's sexy

[Chico_brah]

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hnng

[madelacroix]

Are most Muslim Arab girls like that? Bc I'm 5'10, 155, but I'm around 8percent body fat year round from working out. Squats blow your legs up, not give you a thigh gap lol

[ElissaDido]

Stop it chico, you know that I'm trying to be a nun, stop tempting me with these erotic pictures >:(

[ElissaDido]

@madelacroix I was joking actually haha I was being sarcastic :p

[Shorty1991]

I can appreciate the amount of work he has put into improving his body but I can't stand those muscular guys that are so self absorbed, they would eat themselves if they were chocolate.

[PiuBravoRagazzo]

I pop my pecs at the ladies... 😂
How else am I supposed to attract a female?
Muscles are great! They make you stronger, look better and show that the person was willing to work long hours in the gym.

[Pac-Man]

Yeah, the skinny look is hard to obtain. Takes a lot of dedication and pizza indulging, but its worth it for all the puh. Pm me for tip. I can also give you some advises.

[Karaas2]

They are not gross at all. As like skinny guys are not gross! But you are absolutely right. There's no reason to be like them :)

[Anonymous]

I generally stay away from those muscular guys (they're known to be aggressive and offensive), but I judge through personality, not appearance. I don't care what they look like, as long they have a good personality. :)

[EmpatheticLady]

... hahahaha. Ahhh, yeah, okay. You're just jealous of Chad Thundercock. :P

[uknaked]

In my experience girls love a tight butt, but there is a lot more to any guy than big hard pecs.

[Decentguy]

lol. start going to gym man and stop being jealous.

[Chico_brah]

I'm not jealous. I don't want to get too bulky.

[TuMeManques]

Funny, I know quite a few muscular guys who are also really smart!

[CurlyBookWriter]

I do not like muscular guys either.. my friend does and she goes nuts over a picture of big muscular guys.

I prefer my men slender and thin but if they have slight muscles but not too big then that's okay too.

[Autumn-Bunny]

Yes, you're the only one because I think they're hot.

[Chico_brah]

I heard that fearlessbanana brah was pretty joocy tbh

[Autumn-Bunny]

Lmao oh yeah he was hot but he liked fishing for compliments.😂

[Chico_brah]

Yeah which just leads me to hate muscle guys even more. I think he was insecure because of his drastically small penis.

[Autumn-Bunny]

Whaaa? You... I meant HE has a small🍆🙊🙈 you're lying Lmao

[Chico_brah]

2.3 inches I heard.

[Autumn-Bunny]

That's so sad Lol well I'm sure he's creative.

[Anonymous]

Why is it your business? Just stop watching them so hard.

[MaLifeBeLikeOooAaah]

I know right so disgusting and all that waste of time at the gym, skinny is way hotter and aesthetically pleasing ew big muscles

[Aweir]

True that. They all trying to compensate for something (usually a small D)

[Anonymous]

That's weird cause I know this guy named Chad who is the skinniest, gayest sissy boy I've ever known

[StolenUsername]

Yeah, I'm not in to it either.

[Chico_brah]

So gross looking. Seems like they are all overcompensating for a small penis and IQ.

[meatballs21]

Chad Thundercock is in your class?

[rgb008]

Muscular guys are the best