"If You've Got Nothing Worth Dying For, You've Got Nothing Worth Living For." Martin Luther King jr. Agree or Disagree with this quote?

[Toad-1]

Agree

Disagree

I'm undecided

[sjoes006]

To me this quote from MLK is equivalent in many ways to, "if you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything". But this quote is more everyday life in that what are you living for?

We are social creatures that need bonds.

On a very basic level we would reflexively die for someone we care for even maybe to protect a dog. I think we can all agree if you don't have that connection life is pretty grim.

But MLK is stating it on a bigger level. What morals and beliefs do you truly hold that you'd die to defend?

You've got people leaking classified information knowing if they are found out it means 10 years in prison, Snowden in exile for what he would die for.

And now we have church leaders granting sanctuary at the expense of their own necks. They stand to face serious criminal charges. Um by the way Pope Francis has been much too silent on this. I like Pope Francis and understand why he doesn't want to get involved but if the situation continues he must speak out for families over politics. He's a Jesuit. He has to make some kind of statement at the very least and the fact that The Catholic Church is silent is appalling.

Give me liberty or give me death!

Irish hungerstrikers died not for freedom of religion but for freedom and the right to exist as human beings. The Civil Rights Movement of the 60's was the same thing.

And my heart is overfilled with joy when I hear leaders of the NAACP say this is happening again but to Muslims and we will not stand for it.

I simply am not going to watch Latinos rounded up off the street on their way home from school and thrown onto a truck by the Gestapo and have Muslims scared into basements.

Growing up my older neighbor who is still living next door to my parents today, she told me stories of being in high school in Holland during WWII. It's exactly this. Picking boys up off the street.

[dragonfly6516]

This a deeply philosophical question that touches on the borders of another topic I commented yesterday: the difference between living and existing. If you're just existing, and not making any ripples and leaving lasting impressions, then you have no reason to fight to live.

[Aizou]

Exactly.

[sjoes006]

I think what you say very much helps illustrate the problems of a depressive. They are just existing or trying to make it through the day for years.

It's just like one magic key has to be turned and they have life again. It isn't through drugs. It's just through getting to the right question that wakes them up. Or just getting them to try one activity they used to live with a therapist or friend. It wakes them up from a long sleep. B

[TheLuckyPizzaDog]

"Have nothing. If you meet the Buddha, kill him. If you meet your father, kill him. Free of all, bound by nothing, you live your life simply as it is".

I don't really have anything to live for but I'm not gonna go die either. SO HA.

[TheLuckyPizzaDog]

that was a disagree by the way.

[KnightCross]

u are not living each day then. u are dying each day

[sjoes006]

'Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose'. Somber words of Janis Joplin spoken on a true and downward spiral.

Nothing left to lose is nothing's no to live for and absence of anything in death. Janis' soul troubles me because I can't ever feel it. She's gone, completely gone.

[TheLuckyPizzaDog]

@KnightCross we are all literally dying each day...

[vishna]

Agree, what is the point of living if you don't truly care for anything? If you have no passions? No strong convictions, desires..

[Ali55sven]

why if they don't come to you in that stage of life but after, does that mean im not worth living?

[vishna]

@Ali55sven Your sentence was a bit hard to follow, but your life (since you said "I'm") is worth living, so, yea.

[Anonymous]

That assumes that you know, and have been 'called' to that thing that you find worth dying for.
What if the 'call' has not yet come, and you have nothing yet? Does that make your life, 'worthless' now, until you find that 'thing' he speaks of? What if you never find 'IT'? Does that mean that your whole life was a waste, and useless?
Quoting some people that did amazing things, and putting this kind of question out there, is dangerous. Not everyone can be a MLK, or Ghandi, or Mother Theresa.
Some people do AMAZING things, without ever saying anything that is remembered, or quoted. Teachers change the lives of children, on a daily basis, but they are seldom quoted, or held to that status.
I remember a quote from a movie, TAPS, and the colonel said that dying for some cause was just bad!!! About 38 seconds in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbw3LaBACm8

How about a cause that is worth LIVING FOR? While you are alive, you can do things!! If you die for it, you are a 'martyr' maybe, and others interpret what they THINK was your message.
While I have great respect for the man, Martin Luther King, Jr., and his 'DREAM' I think that it is better to think that "Until you find something worth LIVING for, you are not really living." Rhetorical nonsense, I know, but don't we have enough people with some 'cause' that are willing to die for that cause?
Do we really need to encourage people to 'DIE for A CAUSE?' 9-11, the dozens of bombings in France, Turkey, and more places than I can remember. . .

[ThisDudeHere]

Disagree. So what, just because I don't have some grand goals at the moment, I should throw everything aside and go looking for something that has a chance of killing me? Sorry this ain't no Hollywood story.

[Toad-1]

no don't go looking for it, but do you have something or someone you beleive in or love so deeply that you'd sacrifice your own life for?

[ThisDudeHere]

Only my little brother. I'd give a leg and an arm for him. I love that little peace of shit more than anything.

[Toad-1]

so there ya go

[JudgmentDay]

@ThisDudeHere you just reminded me of the Winchester brothers from SuperNatural when you said you'd give a leg and an arm for your younger brother, and loving him more than anything.

[ThisDudeHere]

@JudgmentDay Supernatural is love. Supernatural is life.

[JudgmentDay]

@ThisDudeHere Same here bro. Same here. I never stopped watching that show despite it dragged on for more than 10 seasons!!

[ThisDudeHere]

@JudgmentDay me neither. Tho since season 9 I've been occasionally skipping the fillers. Especially the ones with Charlie.

[JudgmentDay]

@ThisDudeHere I watch every episode and I love the less serious fillers for shits and giggles. After Season 7, I seemed to be more interested in the more comedic episodes. To me, SuperNatural is the horror/comedy/drama/action hybrid tv show that will always be addictive. I never got so into a tv show, with only exceptions to 24, as I had been watching that prior to coming across SuperNatural, but then 24 ended, and then came back briefly, and ended again.

[ThisDudeHere]

@JudgmentDay I've only seen glimpses of 24. I'm currently at SN se 10 only.

[JudgmentDay]

@ThisDudeHere

24 is mostly about fighting terrorism in a single day "real-time" format, where each episode represents an "hour" of an entire day. The leading character had always been Jack Bauer who is a Federal agent that fights terrorism, sometimes really brutally using whatever methods he has to or sees fit in order to stop terrorist's attacks at all cost. The show had been recently rebooted as 24: Legacy with a new leading character, but I haven't had the time to watch it at the moment since I'm busy with work and school.

[ThisDudeHere]

@JudgmentDay I thought each episode had 24 hours in it.

[JudgmentDay]

@ThisDudeHere It's 24 hours which meant an entire full day's course of events is being represented and stretched across an entire full season. They say the events occur in "Real Time" which is the concept unique to this t. v. show.

In the very first season, the first episode takes place from Midnight 12:00 a. m. to 1:00 a. m. and then the second episode takes place from 1:00 a. m. to 2:00 a. m., which then goes all the way ending the season at 12:00 a. m. midnight.

by the way, in SuperNatural, this concept was spoofed for the episode "Plucky Pennywhistle's Magical Menagerie" (Season 7, Episode 14), when Sam fought two clowns when he was running away from them at the beginning of the episode.

[ThisDudeHere]

@JudgmentDay yeah I remember that episode, I figured I had seen that style somewhere

[JudgmentDay]

Interesting. Sometimes this reminds me, or echoes Rambo's quote:

"There isn't one of us that doesn't want to be someplace else. But this is what we do, who we are. Live for nothing, or die for something. Your call."

Alright @Unit1 let me know what you think about this and what I say in response to this.

But here's another question, do we have to have something worth living for or dying for? Do we really "need" to have something to live for or die for, even if it's supposedly "worth" living for or dying for?

Or is it merely or only because we just "want" something to live for and/or die for and so we "choose" to or "decide" to?

And if we or some of us that don't "want" to, then maybe it really doesn't matter to us at all?

Because we can always "choose" right? If we "want" to have something live for or die for then we "will" accept our choice or decision to live for and die for something.

[Unit1]

To me this seems like a misunderstanding to that cold void and dark emptiness, that remains inside us.
The author may have examined this feeling of the cold void and dark emptiness but did not "complete" his homework on that subject.
Hence he found a short way out and said what he said.

But if you are like me and know fully, that this cold void and dark emptiness never ceases to be, then not even sacrificing yourself for some purpose will solve that - it's just a shortcut to death, which ceases that cold void and dark emptiness - and an even more pointless one.

In our current circumstances nothing is worth dying or living for. You are simply placed on the playfield earth without any purpose. Your parents had simply sex and you are here. You do not owe anybody anything.
But personally I believe in "fate" in form of once you are born, you have a set of predetermined endings in life and you have limited choices on those paths.

[disgustingweebtrash]

Sure, let's all throw out some quotes.
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[Toad-1]

So you disagree or agree?

[disgustingweebtrash]

No, not really.

[qa12017]

I think that it's somewhat pathetic how some people continue to commemorate MLK, it's even more ridiculous that they made a holiday dedicated to him.

[Toad-1]

why is that?

[Aizou]

I agree, with all my being. Without dreams, we're just living without purpose. Our dreams is who we truly are on the inside, and without them, we're nothing. Also, if your dream isn't worth dying for.. you're not dreaming big enough.

[KnightCross]

"Also, if your dream isn't worth dying for.. you're not dreaming big enough.">> nice!! clap clap clap

[Anonymous]

I like pie, but I'm not going to die over it. I think that guy is a bit dramatic.

[Toad-1]

he's not talking about little things like pie...

[Opinion Owner]

Well he should learn how to appreciate simple things.

[Toad-1]

Do you know who martin luther king jr is?

[Opinion Owner]

A dead guy who probably didn't enjoy pie.

[dragonfly6516]

Trolls.

[Bandit74]

lol 🙈

[sjoes006]

This is why you don't allow the anon option on a honest topic. She's simply winding you up.

[Bandit74]

@sjoes006
Anons make things more entertaining tho :p

[sjoes006]

@Bandit74 look we are living in a world of opportunity for trolling at every corner and it is hilarious. I love hearing an Israeli ask Trump about his concern on increased antisemitism since his election only to bear him talk about how great he won.

But if this site is your best source of entertainment as far as smack downs go, son turn on the news.

Some rando slams MLK as a dead guy that doesn't like pie? If you want to cut you gotta use a knife. Wtf is that? MLK didn't like pie.

I mean if you want to troll learn the subject at least. He wasn't a perfect man as none of us are. But he spoke out for a cause that he knew would ultimately result in his assassination.

Bobby Kennedy spoke out knowing he may likely be assassinated.

Just take one second to think, these men knew they would die and did it anyway. And how are we better today?

[Rich0608]

Powerful statement. Didn't realize this was his quote but yes, he's probably right. However I would prefer not to be in a position where I had to be put to the test

[sjoes006]

I honestly don't think you've lived at all if you haven't had to fave this test.

Maybe it's because I'm a woman so I protect young kids more and maybe you are being more literal. There phrase over my dead body means something to most women overseeing kids. But more importantly to King he meant it for all African Americans.

HE MEANT IT, HE LIVED IT. HE WAS A PEACE HERO.

Obama is a uniquely special person and I don't see any tilt that will see him for less than he is. He won me over even as the most die hard Hillary supporter.

[Rich0608]

@sjoes006
I guess I was taking it a bit more literally. I have kids and a wife as well and I would gladly die to protect them. I was taking it from the position of having a cause to die for. Again, there are things that "push come to shove" I would probably do likewise but as I said I'd prefer not to be in a position where I have to test my resolve. King certainly did and he died for his cause. No question, he is a hero in my book. Takes a very strong person to do what he did

[ProfessorScrewEyes]

He had a great ideal and vision unfortunately it still has a long way to go. He's right in many ways but i think we all find our reason to keep on keeping on

[sjoes006]

I'd love it if collectively minority groups could organize be speak with one voice.

[Phantomium]

"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." - George S. Patton

[SwissMade]

You life has to have purpose and meaning, otherwise is it truly a life

[Robin48]

It sad the among of people who really do not have a purpose in life.

[Anonymous]

Yup. Goodnight everybody!

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[Robin48]

A person who shoot their self has nothing. If he or she had something. They would not do that.

[Opinion Owner]

@Robin48 EXACTLY!

[Unit1]

Damn! You are WISE!!!

[Robin48]

@Unit1

Not as wise as you. I try to keep up with you. You move to fast. I getting there.

[Unit1]

@Robin48 Worry not. You'll catch up soon =P

[mooky06]

Undecided toto manoto

[Toad-1]

really? i figured you'd be all for this one :P

[mooky06]

In a way, I feel like it's saying YOLO lol and another part of me feels like if we don't have hopes and dreams, we wouldn't really have much of a life to live 🙈

[Toad-1]

yeah that latter part is what i read into this quote :P

[mooky06]

Lmfao 😋😂

[Ali55sven]

iv got nothing worth dying for lol guess il just kill myself right now if iv got nothing worth living for.

[KnightCross]

u are not living as each day passes. u are dying as each day passes

[writing_essays]

Martin Luther King was a noble man

[es20490446e]

Perhaps a little overstated.

[OfDeath]

It's a kind of vague statement.

[llorando]

Totally agree.

[Decentguy]

Agreed