Everyone struggles to some extent, some more than others. My experience suggests most struggle is financial in nature, based on classism more than racism, sexism, ageism, bigotry, etc. That said, men definitely suffer social, societal and even systemic prejudice and injustice. As with most hardships in western civilization, some are easily overlooked when compared to those of people of other nations and cultures. Also, they're culturally pervasive, so it can be difficult even for sufferers to recognize their own struggles as we've grown accustomed to them. Consider the boiling a frog slowly analogy. Lastly, men and boys are taught from a young age that "real men" are tough, we don't whine, cry or bitch. So even when we see or feel prejudice and injustice, we rarely say anything. In fact, the only expression men are permitted is anger. So our indoctrinated behavior patterns often lead to outrage in the form of violence or the threat of violence. Also socially unacceptable, so we're quickly and easily marginalized as criminals and sociopaths for challenging the status quo. I don't believe there are many women and girls who can relate to this experience. I'm certain there are no upper-middle class white women who can relate. These are the majority of the Hillary Hive, and the heart of third wave feminism in modernized nations. They wholly ignore men's struggles, undermine others' attempts to raise awareness, always ignorantly and often violently. They also aggressively fight against any movements that seek to raise men's rights and women's responsibilities to equitable levels. But, we're not watching our families being slaughtered and forced under the threat of violence to go to war before we even have fuzz on our nuts. That would be shittier, I'm certain.
I would say it's physically easier. Our bodies are far more boring.
That being said a lot is expected of us. Be attractive, be successful, be approachable, mask sensitivity, expected to be the one doing the asking out, expected to be the one proposing.
There's a lot of what I would call social or societal pressures, while being male is what I would call more practically easy.
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I’m a trans woman (3 years post op) and I’ve no doubt many here will think that means I’m not qualified to comment. It’s pretty clear you get treated differently as a woman, but it’s hard to say if this is in our favour. An example: Men offer to help me all the time. On the other hand I get belittled a lot too. And this is from people who knew before too.
As for the physical stuff, well I don’t have periods and can’t get pregnant, but I’d say it’s definitely harder, or at least more complicated being a woman.
I don’t think they have it better in all aspects of life. Us girls have some wicked powers. lol Absolutely LOVE the profile photo. Think it’s the first one I’ve seen in here where you can see an oven door behind someone’s head. Why were you sitting on the kitchen floor? 🇨🇦 rules!!!
There are undoubtedly advantages AND disadvantages, just as there are with being a woman. You could easily pick out a few areas where males have a strong advantage, and I could easily pick out a few areas where females do - and vice versa.
The unavoidable fact is that we're DIFFERENT, and our strengths and weaknesses are different. Things I'm good at, you may not be as good at, and things I'm terrible at, you might be great at. In general, men and women are very complimentary, and we tend to be stronger when working together as a team than alone. But we are NOT the same except in very general ways.
Some examples of how men have it more difficult:
- For men, having a career and being the primary (or sole) breadwinner isn't optional - it's expected. And men generally can't go to someone else to bail them out - his responsibilities are virtually inescapable, and men always feel pressure to live up to that - from themselves, their families, society, and certainly from their female partners.
- Men are expected to be "a rock." Women can be an emotional mess and make a string of bad decisions and will be forgiven - men will be seen as complete failures of little or no value.
- Men are considered "expendable" and easily replaceable. The world is full of hard dicks that can replace you. Men do 99.99% of all dangerous and life-shortening jobs, such as mining, construction, oil field work, soldiering, sailing/shipping, etc.
- Men are expected to make sacrifices and "suck it up". A woman didn't bring a coat and it gets cold? The man is expected to give her his and "deal with" being cold himself (and most men do). Someone physically threatens her? The man is expected to face whatever force - even deadly force - to protect her - even if she initiated the conflict.
- Men are treated horribly in family court. Divorce laws heavily favor women, both financially and with regards to children, while women get incredible leeway from the courts.
- Something as simple as fast-food: women are almost automatically given "register" jobs that keep them relatively clean, while men almost automatically get the cooking and cleaning jobs. When I worked at Burger King 30+ years ago, there were 17 cashier positions - all female - and all of the hot, dirty, heavy jobs, from cleaning bathrooms to cleaning the vent hood were given to men.
From a personal standpoint, nothing about my life has been easy, nothing has even been given to me because I am male, people harass me, at least the ones stupid enough to do so. I have always struggled and suffered unimaginable pain both physical and mental. If I were to base my opinion off of my own personal experiences I would say woman have it far easier than men in a heart beat.
But regardless of my personal experiences my opinion, my true opinion which I base off what I have observed over the years, neither side has it harder than the other. When I put it on a scale neither side suffers profoundly over the other. There are things, many things that are unfair or bullshit from both perspectives.
For example, Child birth, I will never know what that feels like nor will I pretend like I do or downplay it like most know alpha males. It is something that only woman go through, but in that same light as a male I have suffered a lot of pain, horrible pain, and simply because other men want to test you, see how tough you are, break you down to the core level. This is a mentality that men have to deal with, either your tough or your weak and you are treated accordingly. You don't have a choice, either you conform or you fight and neither option ends up being any easier than the other.
Woman are often downplayed, considered weak and even today considered laughable when they try to quote unquote "play in a mans world". In that same light if you are male and you present yourself as anything other than an asshole with bravado and emotionless attitude you are considered an outcast.
I want to explain this fully from my point of view with more detailed description but 2500 characters isn't enough and no one wants to read three posts. So to sum this up no I don't believe men have it easier than woman and I don't believe woman have it easier than men. Both sides have to live through their own forms of bullshit if it be cultural, stereotypes, gender bias and so on.
Were human, and humans are born into this life to suffer because the world we live in is a harsh reality. Male or female makes no difference when you strip away everything and just get down to the core of it all.
There are perks to each gender. For guys, there's less stress in certain areas and much more in others. Simple things like not having to worry about menstruation, or simply the expectation from others to be a little more carefree with mannerisms and physicality is a plus. Though the biggest negative is probably the stress put on men to appeal to women in several ways. Being able to provide and support financially. Having to take the short end of the stick in all or most situations when it's a decision between a man or a woman. Having a radiant, healthy body and skin, being moderately fashionable and being well-groomed-- which is a reasonable expectation right? But there's only so much you can do without modifications and/or makeup. Diving into this territory gives others the impression of being metro/homosexual, which is considerably "unmanly" to most women. At the end of the day, you're only approachable by women if you're attractive enough, conversational enough, funny enough, financially supportive enough. These aren't standards that men expect from most women, and as a result, a lot of guys end up single for most of their lives, aren't able to have kids when they really want to, and end up having to resort to things like arranged coupling, and erotic services to get the connective and intimate comfort that they can't get anywhere else. It's a sad sad truth that most women do not experience. The stress and reality that many guys will struggle to find a life partner, and end up alone and unwanted, is very very real.
It's a tough reference to use, but look at the surveyed results of dating app activity. Something like Tinder. It boils down to a high percentage of men who say yes with low matches, and a low percentage of women who say yes with high matches. The only reason for that is because at the end of the day, it's up to the girls to decide who will be worth their time, not the men (Generally speaking. I understand there's some gorgeous guys out there that can have anybody they want.)
But that can't be said without considering the struggles of being a woman. You can easily say that being responsible for harvesting and giving birth to a child, most likely multiple times, already trumps everything else a man has to deal with. I don't think it's right to go back and forth, but there is definitely serious ups and downs for both sides. I went into a little detail for men since you're probably asking for our side, but our views will always be indifferent.
Well lets look at statistics, women are less likely to be convicted of crimes and when they are they get a third of the sentencing that men do, males have no parental rights (men get better then equal custody of children 9% of the time, women 61%. Equal custody occurs 35% of the time), men have no reproductive rights (Hermsmann vs seyer was a court ruling that stated that regardless of the circumstances a man must always pay child support. In this case the man in question was a 12 year old boy who was raped by his babysitter and found to be legally responsible to pay child support to his rapist. Its been upheld in every variant from women taking used condoms to a woman actually stealing sperm from a sperm bank.) and a man has no say in what happens to his own child i. e. if she wishes to abort it he can do nothing, if she abandones it (thanks to safe haven laws) he has no say, if she gives it up for adoption she is not legally required to even notify him and thus he has no say (it takes years to fight custody battles so while he can fight it he will not have access to his own child for years against his will), paternity fraud is perfectly legal so a woman can just claim a man is a father of her child and have the government dock his pay, it takes years to fight these cases and even then it is rare that the man gets any of his money back. We do not have the right to genital integrity i. e. it is illegal to circumcise a woman but a male infant can be circumcised, against his will, without anesthetic (at least up until the last fifteen years or so). Males make up 80% of all suicide victims, 98% of combat deaths (they even are more likely to die as civilian deaths), 96% of all workplace accidents and deaths, we are half of all rape victims based upon the CDC/NCVS numbers yet are not taken seriously as even in these reports they refused to call it rape instead using the phrase "forced to penetrate" and was labeled as sexual assault rather then rape. Even when a woman is accused no one does anything as was shown when the #MeToo movement started up men where told not to make it about them when they started to speak up and in one case a feminist professor was accused of sexually assaulting her male student at which point the school and the faculty all rallied behind her instead of the students despite their previous claims of "believe all victims"(this apparently only applies if the supposed victim has a vagina).
Then of course the less funding for male diseases (about 5x less), the fact that men make up the majority, that's right the MAJORITY of domestic violence victims (70% of all non reciprocal violence is perpetrated by women against men and when its reciprocal its 50/50. However its also been shown that the violence follows the woman not the man (its not an indicator of past or future violent relationships with men but it is for women) suggesting that she instigated it through non physical means. Women are far more likely to use emotional abuse and controlling behavior in relationships yet laws protect women and treat men as the primary "aggressor" thanks to the Duluth model of domestic violence. Over 63% of college graduates are female, males are more then 4x more likely to drop out of school as its become increasingly gynocentric yet we hear nothing about this, only hearing about how we need more women in schools and to "empower women". The importance of fathers is dismissed regularly
This of course ignores all their responsibilities as well for instance the fact that men are the primary earners yet women are the primary spenders (being responsible for 80% of domestic spending, 70% globally). Men are also told they don't do enough even though statistically men actually work slightly more then women (but get no credit for it and told that they are lazy and need to do more). 80% of the homeless are men, etc. So yes, its harder being a man then a woman.
A guy is judged by his status, his looks, his personality, and how much he can entertain people and socialize.
A woman is judged by how good she looks and how well she gets along with the people around her.
5/5 vs 2/2.
The media and the state are LITERALLY on your team. . . . A woman can drop her child without consequence or force a man who is identified as the father into fathering her child even though he has no desire to do so. Yet simultaneously: If she wants to have an abortion it's "her choice" Not to mention? Women's standards are getting so absurd that there is a movement of men dedicated to getting AWAY from you. That should tell you something, but it won't.
A lot of y'all have the luxury of not looking inward, and you abuse the SHIT out of that luxury. If I screw up with a girl, I look inward and see what I could do better next time. A girl will just use language to TRY and bend reality and tell herself some lie : "Oh , he was more into me than I was into him." -a girl I LITERALLY had 0 interest in and expressed 0 interest in.
Social media has provided you with narcissism on steroids. You know its bad for you, you know this attention is like a drug that you're chasing the first high again, but no amount of attention will bring that first high back. You know it, and you won't do shit about it.
All of the validation social media has provided you gave y'all a NOTICABLY warped sense of reality. . . Like ANY man who complains is an incel, or a sexist, or somebody to be mocked. . . . I wanna ask a lot of you : "What's wrong with you?" But, I already know the answer, and its useless to get upset about it. But when YOU complain about something? A question is always raised, its the same question but different context : "How can you as men give me, a woman what I want?" "How can we get tech companies to be more welcoming to women?" "How can we get more women working in this area of the workforce?"
Whenever men have a problem and we aren't getting what we want? We ask ourselves: "What can I do to get this?" and we bust our asses getting it.
When it comes to dating all you have to do is show up and look pretty. You don't even have to act like a human being, you don't have to make your intentions clear, you don't have to tell any kind of truth, you don't even have to be nice to the guy. Of course, most men know how hard dating is so they will put up with that shit and STILL call you the next day.
Of course, I understand that while MOST girls are pretty shitty human beings who love to bring down other people around JUST so they can have some confidence (although they could just believe in theirselves) and for "the fun of it" not everyone is the same. I do admit, though, that guys have it pretty hard in the society today. Expected to be athletic. Peer pressured into being "cool." Expected to be the unrealistic standard that F*CKING petty people decide to pin on others. Expected to be that jock. Blamed for the shit that happens. Thought to be or expected to be the fucc boi. PROFANITIES. PROFANITIES. PROFANITIES. F*CKING PROFANITIES. And that's just petty Jr. high shit; I can't imagine what petty ADULTS could do. You sound like a nice guy who's tired of people's shit. I hope you don't have to go through that.
Did something bad happen? Of course, it's your choice whether or not to be a "nice guy," but a nice guy is not necessarily someone who is one of those crazy people who wears tutus and skips down the road. Personally, I think a nice guy is someone who does what he believes is the right thing and tries to get where people are coming from, instead of jumping to conclusions. You can swear at people all you want; I don't care. In fact, I might even SUPPORT you. Just try not to hurt a person's feelings for no FUCKING reason; I'm guessing you already know what that feels like.
@pukyuuu im not gonna hurt anyone's feelings for no reasons. But understand. My tolerance for bullshit is DONE. If people try bringing nonsense to my table I INSTANTLY shut that shit down.
People always ALWAYS see your ability to tolerate bs as an excuse to walk all over you. For women its that on steroids.
If I tell a woman not to touch my hair becauae she wants to feel it and I tell her "no" and she does it anyway? I give her the glare of DEATH and tell her slowly do. Not. Fucking. Do that. Again. Some girls try to de escalate that immediately rather than understand the gravity of how I feel by saying "chill." I just get up and leave at that point.
Also? Y'all are the gatekeepers of sex. I get that, people don't owe me sex. Cool.
Understand that men gatekeep relationships. Idc how anxious y'all get. If im gonna be in a relationship with you, you will know by month 3 and the door is open beyond that.
This is my world now, people who have a problem with that are a casualty.
Both genders have strengths and weaknesses. If you play to the strengths and are lucky enough to have been born with some natural advantages that play into the hand you are dealt, both are tolerable. Here are what I see as some examples.
Beauty For women, a lot of value is placed on youth and beauty. If you are young and pretty you can pretty much get anything you want. There's a lot of work maintaining that beauty though. Diet, exercise, fashion, cosmetics, hair, surgery, whatever...
For guys, it doesn't really matter. yeah, if you look like a greek god there are advantages, but heck, look at Trump. He's an orange looking old guy that got elected President.
Dating Dating is mostly easier for women. Even an unattractive woman can find someone to hook up with if she wants.
For guys, women are just pickier. You have to be smart, funny, reliable, attractive, tall, etc... to just get a date and then she may friendzone you or not want to be physical. On top of that, she could get pregnant, cheat on you, divorce you and take half your money. Tricky.
Strength Guys - we can pick up heavy things.
Girls - less able to physically defend herself, especially against a man.
Money Guys can sometimes get better jobs. There's the so-called "wage gap" which is largely due to the fact that women just aren't as aggressive in the workplace. This is a downside for a guy that isn't aggressive in the workplace. He will make less and society will look down on him.
Women, for some it's tough to get a good paying job, although there are women that make great money if they want to. Likewise there are a lot of government programs that will help single moms, not so much for single fathers.
Regardless of how you personally feel about the practice of circumcision (I personally find it barbaric, cruel and completely unjustifiable), the legal fact is that infant girls are protected against any genital cutting of any kind and infant boys are not. Many feminists will argue that female genital mutilation (FGM) is a magnitude of brutality beyond male genital mutilation and while that may be true, I do not find the “it’s only a little bit brutal” argument to be very compelling. It’s like saying cutting off a toe is okay because cutting off a foot is much worse. Ultimately, the argument is immaterial to the fact that women have the legal right to be protected from having their body parts sliced off. Men do not.
2. Women have the right to vote without agreeing to die
In the US, citizens are free to exercise their constitutionally guaranteed right to democratically choose their own leaders through the process of casting a ballot in an election once they reach the age of 18. Women achieve this right by the simple act of surviving 18 years. Men may not actualize their basic rights as a citizen without first signing a Selective Service card, in which they agree that at the discretion of the democratically elected government, they will take up arms and die to defend their liberty and way of life. The draft. Men may vote if, and only if, they agree they will face death if required. Women have no such obligation, but they do get to vote for the governments that can potentially send men to meet death. Again, regardless of how you feel about the draft, women have the right to vote without agreeing to be drafted. Men don’t.
I’ve written about this before, but it is worth repeating. Women have three options to absolve themselves of all legal, moral, financial and social responsibility for children they did not intend and do not want. Women may abort the child before it is born, they may surrender the child for adoption without notifying or identifying the father or they may surrender the infant under Safe Haven laws and walk away from all responsibility and obligation. Women cannot be forced or coerced into parenthood, but they are legally allowed to force men into financing their reproductive choices. In many states, men can be forced into financial responsibility for children whom they did not biologically father. As long as a particular man is identified as the father, he will be held accountable. Paternity fraud is legal. In no state is legal paternal surrender permitted without the express agreement of the mother.
Again, regardless of whether you agree or disagree with legal paternal surrender, the fact remains that women have the legal right to choose parenthood. Men do not.
4. Women have the right to be assumed caregivers for children
When parental relationships irretrievably break down, current custody laws assume one primary caregiver (almost always a woman) and one tertiary caregiver (almost always a man). In order to win equal or shared custody, the tertiary caregiver must litigate to prove they are worthy of equal parenting, a proposition that is not only very difficult to “prove”, it is also very expensive. The legal presumption of shared parenting upon divorce – that children have a legal right to an equal relationship with both their mother and their father following relationship breakdown – is strongly resisted by the National Organization for Women (NOW) and other feminist organizations who know that women will almost always win custody of children under the default laws.
In actual fact, men who can afford to purse legal remedies and challenge primary custody stand a good chance of winning, because women do not have the market cornered on loving or caring for children. So while the law does not specifically indicate that custody will be awarded to women, the defacto result of primary/tertiary caregiver custody law is that women have a legal right to be assumed caregivers for children. Men do not.
5. Women have the right to call unwanted, coerced sex rape
The original FBI definition of rape specifically identified women as the victims, excluding the possibility of male rape victims. When the FBI updated that, it did so in way that includes a small minority of male rape victims but excluded most male rape victims by retaining the “penetration” clause. Penetration of any orifice must occur for rape to have happened. The FBI does collect another set of statistics though, under the category of “other sexual assault” – it’s the awkwardly named “made to penetrate” category, which includes men who were coerced, tricked or bullied into penetrative sex with women they would otherwise not have had sex with. The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey similarly considers the two types of assault separately, despite the fact that occurrences are virtually identical. 1.27M women report rape (p.18) and 1.26M men report “made to penetrate” (p.19).
By collecting the information under separate categories, following the legal definitions, women have the right to have their rapes called “rape”. Men do not.
Why does any of this matter? Feminism is under attack in the popular media for failing to address real problems that have real consequences for real people. Despite insisting that feminism cares for everyone, and wants equality for everyone, the facts suggest the opposite is true. Women have more rights than men and those discrepancies need to be addressed. But more importantly, gender is just one thing that defines who a person is, what advantages and disadvantages they might have, what opportunities are in front of them, or foreclosed. Class, wealth, race, ability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion – all of these things have a profound influence on individuals, and the only way to understand how a specific person can be helped or hindered is to see that person as a human being, first and foremost.
lets leave the boners and sexual urges aside, and talk about what it really means being a man.
what is expected from men : 1- physically and mentally powerful, can take on any opponent without caring about life and death and if you back down you are no man. 2- provides for his family and makes enough money to give them a decent life style at any cost. 3- An alpha, a leader, a very social person who knows everyone everywhere and always has a way of doing things that dont seem doable. 4- loved and respected and wanted by all girls around him. 5- has a set of ideals and morals that he always follows without caring about his own safety. 6- the one who always initiates, puts himself at risk be it physically or emotionally. 7- has no feelings or at least they are often hidden and he appears tough and rugged and not someone who is phased by anything. 8- add to that being high status and influental and you get what the modern woman looks for in a man and what most people expect a man to be.
It depends. Some things are easier for us and some things are harder. And that all changes over time.
For example, for the average guy, when they're young dating is pretty hard. That's because girls tend to prefer guys who are their own age or older. And when a guy is young, there aren't too many girls his age or younger who he'd like to date. Plus, those girls have a LOT more choices since they're willing to date up in age AND the older guys are willing to date them. Basically this is the problem of a guy in his first year of high school or college. Not easy to date. But then things get better as he gets older. Younger girls find him more attractive and eventually dating gets very good indeed for a guy. That is especially true if he's managed to improve himself along the way. A lot of girls, meanwhile find that dating gets much harder as they have to compete with younger, hotter, more relaxed girls and as the guys who are older than they are become increasingly taken or if not, prefer to date the young hotties who are more fun. This makes dating tougher for girls as they get older.
There is of course, more to life than dating, but again, there will be parts that are easier for the average guy and parts that are easier for the average girl.
Imagine if the hair on your legs was 10 times thicker and it grows on your face, you can feel it itching and it pierce your skin when it regrow the day after you've shaved. On your 12 birthday you feel half the blood in your brain flowing down to your balls. Suddenly all your cognitive skills are halved and your ball tell you "you must reproduce" at least once every few hours. Every time you fail something or you feel lonely or sad, your father tells you "Man up!". The girl who likes you will never tell you, because it's your duty to ask her out. And if you ask another girl for a date every girl will tell that you are a pig and a rapist. If a girl slaps you every one would laugh at you. If you hit a girl, you might go to prison. The only birth control you can use is a condom. If a girl tells that you have impregnated her you must marry her. And if you ask for a divorce when the baby end up being black you will have to keep paying for her expenses. You can't have maternity leave. You will have to work 3 years more than your female colleagues and you will die 5 years earlier than them.
Depends on the situation, I think women have it harder when it comes to sexual assault, but men have it harder with police brutality.
For dating I think women have it easier, one great example, in the USA the average height for a man is 5'9 while 5'4 for women. But if a man is short he faces so much height discrimination (look up heightism) and men don't consider him a real man, and women don't see him as dating potential, but if a woman is short most men don't mind. And in general women have it easier when it comes to dating. When it comes to sex work, porn star, stripping, cam, escort, etc, women will always have it easier in those places than men.
I think women have it harder when they want to appear authoritative or strong, but at least when women are weak they aren't attacked for it, if a man is weak the world attacks him.
The courts favor women highly, and its bias against men. Women get less prison sentences then men, female teacher who sleep with their male students get less punished than if a male teacher slept with his female student.
The male suicide rate is higher, although there are more women who attempt suicide, men are more likely to actually successfully suicide.
Like I said I think it depends on the situation, but I think for men it's hard too. Especially if you're a man who doesn't meet what the world requires you to look like or act like.
Yes it is! I will give my personal example: 1) So I was failing in an exam so I told my parents that I feel depressed that I am failing and they said "Stop being a pussy you need to man up" Like wtf? 2) If a woman cries then all the men and women is there to help her b ut if a man cries people says "Lol man up stop crying like a little bitch" 3) A man have to go approach the girl since the girl says "I have a pussy already I dont need another who won't make a first move" 4) A woman after her breakup she can go and get lots of men to date but a man after breakup he have to work hard to get one 5) If a woman dont earn money it is good but if a man dont earn he will be hated by all 6) Men have so many responsilities he have to protect his wife, daughter, son from the world and provide them everything. But do you think a woman can do that?
Lol what? Those are some pretty shitty human beings. And those people who say to stop crying like a little bitch? Tell them to go fuck off. Guys have feelings too. They also have the freedom of expressing their feelings and shouldn't have to be shamed by others or told otherwise. Personally, I would probably fall for a guy who expresses his feelings so honestly. Expressing your feelings honestly is one of THE MOST hardest thing to do in this world. Crying freely, not to mention in public, means that a person is willing to be true to themselves and others, ask for comfort (there is absolutely no shame in that by the way) and express their sadness. And again, if people have a problem with that, they can fuck off already.
@pukyuuu Yes. When I was unable to get good score in competitive exam I was in depression and I asked my parents for help and they told me "Stop being a little bitch you need to man up" It made me realize how much of a fucking idiot this world is.
@pukyuuu I don't know about all areas of work, but it definitely happens in mine. Unfortunately they lose trust in you once you speak out and they automatically think you're borderline suicidal. This is quite common in jobs where you have a lot of responsibility, law enforcement, doctors, pilots etc.
It's not just men, women face it too. Although most men do seem to find it more difficult to speak out based on the hard masculine 'tough guy' act that has been drummed into them which the employer's reaction only reinforces.
People can be bitches. It's bound to happen. Those people (I refuse to call them parents if they're gonna be like that) do not what you are going through, right? Did they even try to understand? Or did they just brush it off with that rude comment? Rude people are everywhere. We, yes us, might even be included in that little circle. But it's our choice whether or not to give in to negativity. And what can I say? That everyone is a goody two shoes? Lol The chance of that is less than the chance of winning the lottery. Sad, but true. However, let's be something different than that, shall we? Let's do the right thing (and the unidiot thing to do).
@Kkaos (raises eyebrow) Let's break society together, shall we? It pisses me off just thinking about the shit people have to go through because of stereotypes.
@pukyuuu Yeah, I like your attitude. That sounds like a plan. These things won't ever change completely, but every little step in the right direction helps.
@iamnotkj Ignore them, dude. It's not worth it. They don't want to accept that a man can have struggles and therefore they reject and dislike any experiences men have as it doesn't conform to their sexist view.
@Kkaos You are completely right. Just a little step can help a lot. That's one small step for man; one giant leap for mankind, am I right? @iamnotkj I second what he said. Those b*tches (excuse my language) just can't expand their mind to see other people's opinions.
@pukyuuu Thanks. I think I didn't even say anything bad about any girl I just said some facts so that everyone knows being a man is not easy. But it is weird that they downvoted this without any reason :/
Everyone usually think that others are having easier life than him/her either a Man thinks that girls having easier life on the opposite side girls thinks that guys have easier life and sometimes a guy thinks that other guys are having easier life and the same happen with girls, but the question is: is it true that are others having easier life than us? well, the answer no, no one is having easy life even rich people and celebrities, everybody is having his/her struggle either others knows about it or not, and everybody has his/her fight in this life either to prove something or to get a good job or to marry a good woman or saving money to buy his/her dream (house, car, etc), or to fight a disease like (cancer, etc) and many many more examples, but of course everyone has a highs and lows in his/her life, in highs people take some amount of rest and at lows they head back to there fight, so the conclusion is in general life is not easy for anybody but it is fair enough.
Like any other group of humans, we do have our own problems and disadvantages, so being a guy is not as easy as often touted. Ever heard of the writer Norah Vincent, who tried to be a guy for 18 months (and wrote the book Self-Made Man: My Year Disguised as a Man)?
@sonnysunshine Yes, it is destroying inter-sex interaction itself, jeopardizing 1 of the most basic concepts of civil life. I've seen relationships (even previously-close families) ripped apart by this poisonous ideology.
I don't want to offend the ladies but here is my opinion.
When it comes to my body design (less complicated 'plumbing', strength, ruggedness, stamina and no emotional drama) - HELL yeah!
When it comes to the social construct / expectations that come with being a provider, fixer (mechanics, meaning the car, the house... yada yada...) and other 'manly' duties - then, it can be a challenge, but that is what life is - a big challenge.
So, in summary, is being a man hard? It is a mixed bag, probably kind of like what being a woman is.
Culturally we usually don't care for guys expressing any sort of emotion besides anger. There's a few studies out there that try to explain in what ways this manifests itself in our culture. For instance, even as babies, parents are less comforting to boys than girls.
We have some benifets both intrinsically from being male and from living in a culture of (up until very recently) devout christianity, which in almost every regard, sides with the man. This cultivates some amount of privilege, not to say that a man is incapable of having a bad experience.
I'd say worse than race, sex, or gender, the bigger division between people in any societyis based on class. I don't see too much of the point in arguing whether anything is better or worse besides class, class being the only thing that's completely black and white.
That's a very good point, I can say for sure that life gets easier the more wealth you have. That's a point I make to many people that are hyper focused on sex or racial inequality
Men are: More likely to be victims of assault, murder, suicide, homelessness, cancer and workplace fatalities. More likely to loose their child in a divorce, and get longer prison sentences for the same crime.
Women have menstruation, higher beauty standards, constant bitching from other women, higher likelihood of being raped and a society that judges them for casual sex and sex work more harshly than men.
We aren't oppressed. You aren't oppressed. We both treat each other and ourselves like equal shit.
This isn't about feminists or mras, both of them need to sit the fuck down. Unless you can call yourself an EGALITARIAN and fight for equal rights for both men and women, you are sexist.
We're told we have this privilege. We are subject to false rape accusations. We're treated as second-class Citizens when it comes to our kids. We don't get maternity leave or free drinks at a bar ever. We're not allowed to be sensitive or else we're less of a man. We are statistically speaking more likely to be in a violent crime. But expected to the providers and if we're not making enough we are looked at like we are less of a man. We have to sign up for the draft at 18. This is just a portion of the list of things that men go through that women do not. And yes I understand that there are women that go through things that men do not this is just the man side of things
Being human can be hard sometimes period, and men do not have any magic ability to escape this. There are tradeoffs. Some things are ridiculously easy for men, while others are far harder than they should be. Men have many things easier than men women, but women have plenty of things easier. The only legitimate thing that makes women's life harder, without exception, is the fact that they have periods. Honestly, that sucks and the fact that men dont have a period is an advantage of sorts. It doesn't completely make up for it, but our greatest physical weakness does dangle between our legs, which is super annoying.
I would say it's often better because it's harder. You don't have a shoulder to cry on. You have to learn to manage on your own. Self-sufficiency is something a man pretty much needs to survive in the world out there.
And that's exactly the way I like because that made life easier for me the more I learned to be self-sufficient, the more I learned to think productively and positively even in the toughest situations. I'd be lost and helpless like a child if I didn't develop that kind of self-sufficiency, if you will.
So I would say often the social pressures of being a man are harsher but that this harshness is what helps make life so much easier for men who rise to those harsher standards.
The people who have it hardest and sometimes to the point of suicide are the ones who weren't raised to be mentally strong. They were allowed to be soft. Then they become adults and they're these soft, frail spirits in a very harsh world which causes them to be overwhelmed with stress and despair and panic and misery.
So I think men have it easier because they're largely raised not to be soft this way and to instead be tough and mentally strong. I pity women (and men) who weren't raised like this with no one to depend upon cause they're going be like fresh meat for the grinder, if you will.
a lot it depends on someones personality and family situation, not just how you were raised and how society treats you as it is great to be mentally strong and self suficient it can also be bad in a way that you grow too hard and cannot be soft which is not good either; thats way many men have a hard time open themselves emotionally and often ruin their relationships with women
@devilish-cutie In my opinion that's acting/thinking emotionally to avoid expressing emotions in situations where that might logically strengthen a bond between two people. It's probably acting out of some fear or distrust, both of which are prompted by emotional thinking as I see it.
@devilish-cutie I see it more like humans can't but be driven by impulses with logic tempering that and offering a second, more rational opinion, if you will. A simple dichotomy is like our impulse to eat nothing but junk food with rationality kicking in as a second opinion saying it's probably not going to be good for our long-term interests and health if we indulge too much in those impulses.
i agree but i meant that if you keep on putting your emotions aside it may result in you denying them even if that is an emotional act itself I've meet people that made me realize that being too emotional isn't an only issue, being too much in your head and mental can be a huge issue too but i definitely agree that, especially for women, there should be more encouragement to be strong minded and independant
@devilish-cutie I actually think a problem today is that the classical sort of ideals and values which might have helped to shape fine men have been lost to a large degree. It seems like you have this kind of immature replacement of an angry action hero type speaking one-liners and somehow that's become the bizarre archetype. There's this sort of originally:
And I no longer see a point in labeling these sorts of values as "masculine" or anything of this sort. I just think they're useful guides for everybody, male or female. I'd like to restore these kinds of virtues and apply them to both sexes.
I dont think it was lost, I think it was never there in a way since being angry is actually "masculine" men are not that kind in my opinion due to being "manly" women are far more kinder due to different upbringing and social treatment both genders being kind and both genderes being strong minded is the goal of all this feminism happening
@devilish-cutie I think some of that varies from culture to culture whether anger is perceived as a weakness or not and whether the men see kindness as "manly" or not. But logic is the path to kindness as well in my opinion. The golden rule makes sense from a logical standpoint in many cases, since to treat others as we'd like to be treated is logical in the sense that, lacking perfect information of what the consequences might be, favoring a kinder stance to a hostile one maximizes the probability of making a beneficial ally as opposed to a harmful enemy. Things of this sort. Logic is the ultimate goal as I see it because then we can actually reason why we should favor one action over another instead of arbitrarily labeling it as "right" or "wrong".
@devilish-cutie And it's through logic that I think cultures independently arrived at notions like the golden rule. The good values that guide us very well tend to have a logical basis behind them as I see it. The ones that often lead us to doing very bad things that have very outcomes for everybody involved often seem absent of that sort of sound logic. So that's a somewhat controversial view of mine but I think the goal, if we want to be very decent human beings, is to try to be as logical as we can... that's assuming we share some fundamental level of altruistic goals that care not only about ourselves but our loved ones and so forth (it might not apply so well to a complete psychopath).
Im all for logic and reasoning based behavior treating emotions as data too That's how i definitely function but the roblem is that thinking isn't actually enough... meaning a lot comes from your emotions/values, basically how you feel about things tht's why people that act on thinking or emotions may come to same conclusions as well as different... eg. I feel good being nice to others that's why ill do it... while thinking goes like i will be nice to others so others will be nice to me... then you can have i feel terrible interacting with others and i want everyone to leave me be and Ill do what it takes to make them back off... then thinking can be like I dont need to talk nice to everyone cause there are many people that have nothing to bring to the table for me and they just waste my time... My point is that everything we think about is actually influenced how we feel about things too
Since people have different values their logic will differ and maybe that is okay as long as whatever you do doesn't hurt people around you - that is my logic behind it cause if someone does something from pure logic but doesn't feel it won't work for that person, that person will feel bad all the time also that logic being nice to others so they are nice to you - i do agree but often it happens you expect people to treat you how you treat them yet often that is not the case so logically you'll have to adapt to every single person individualy in that case
id argue that the biggest issues is classification of emotions meaning we call emotions bunch of things like - physical needs (i feel hungry) - intuition (i feel something is off) - pure feeling (im happy/sad) - states (im in love) - moral values (i feel its wrong to kill someone) - etc.
So everything is emotion yet everything very different... I think the biggest problem lies in that
@devilish-cutie I see that as inescapable, like empathy, emotional impulses, with the exception of maybe the psychopath. The impulses give us the motivation as I see it, but they can also kind of guide us down a bad path if we just behaved impulsively all the time. So that's where I place the value on the logic as a way to kind of temper our impulses. Like simple example is hunger -- that's an impulse. I wouldn't eat if I lacked it, but some logic helps me to kind of pick something a bit more healthier or at least compromise a bit so that I'm not eating pizza every single day. :-D That might be strange to relate hunger to emotions; I've come to see these things in a bit of a weird way. But I think we need some kind of underlying motivation and impulse to do anything. Where logic and analysis and investigation kicks in as I see it is to make us question if what we're tempted to do is actually going to create to the outcome we desire.
Obviously it is difficult for other reasons than it being difficult to be a woman.
Albeit I am always astonished how many girls lack any sense of empathy and compassion towards men and their hardships. Just reading the comments here it's as of now 5 out of 7 girls saying it is not difficult being a man. Tells you a lot about the level of empathy they have for men and their hardships.
The list is pretty long. Just to give a few examples: - Society valuing struggles of men less. - Men being biologically, evolutionary and thus societally disposable (effectively even with 10% of the male population humanity wouldn't be at risk) - Boys being treated like defect girls for having different needs. Ideally being put in medication for having more need to move around (get them some Ritalin) - Media representation of men being pretty much good-for-nothings. Just look at every sitcom where the father is portrayed look an incompetent idiot. - Being seen as morally and ethically inferior.
So on and so forth. Don't want a pityparty here, but it's pretty annoying how few girls out there actually have at least some basic grasp of what men go through.
You can't judge If you haven't seen both sides of story. Saying something can help but won't give you the exact experience. I would say we have it easier a bit. But a lot of our happy and easy lifes comes from being happy with ourselfs and not make more problems than you have. Like I don't know why you girls stress so much with the dress or make up. Who cares? We usually dont... Like you can take the dress twice, no problem... You see where im going? In life itself, men do harder work (Coal miners, Soldiers, Garbage collectors?) Woman can do these jobs too, no problem, but they dont do them as much. Also men have higher mortality in jobs and higher suicide rate, which is not a coincidence. But all and all yeah, it depends on your point of view mostly.
When we're speaking of sexism - no, men don't experience it to the extent that women do. But that doesn't mean life is just a cakewalk for all men. There are some pretty high expectations put on men and a lot of how they feel about themselves is in comparison to some "superman" idea of how men should be.
Life really isn't easy for anyone. We all have our troubles.
See, that's a really ridiculous assumption. I love men. I want men to have fulfilling, dignified lives. I don't believe it's a zero sum game. I don't believe that women gaining rights and equality means that men have to suffer. In fact, I would love to see men shake free of what binds them as well. And I'm involved with several organizations that actively work on several of the issues mentioned on that site.
What that site doesn't tell you is that alimony is not ordered in most divorce settlements anymore, largely due to the fact that a lot more women have jobs that can support them. And one reason men are not awarded custody as often is that they don't seek it.
Several of these "problems" mentioned are a direct result of gender expectations, and feminists are trying to make it possible for men to define themselves rather than society doing it for them.
So, you claim there's no sexism toward women but then just repeat a sexist talking point AND you impugn the masculinity of men I have dated to boot.
What the fuck would you know about the men in my life?
I'm not denying that men have their own issues of concern. You simply assume that because I'm a feminist that I must hate men because your favorite pundits have been feeding you that lie your whole life.
Most feminists I know don't hate men. In fact, I can't remember the last time I met one who really did hate men. Has probably been a decade.
I'm not saying that they don't exist, but it certainly isn't the preponderance of feminists I know. And I know thousands of feminists.
Okay, well on a global scale sure, but we're fairly equal in the West. I don't really see feminism fighting for women on a global scale either; they operate on the pretense that they're still oppressed by men, which as I'm sure you can understand is insulting to men and stimulates the "men created civilization and ungrateful women deserve to go back to the kitchen" mentality you see here.
I get that women have struggles, but most of the things feminists complain about aren't gendered issues, yet they make them such and blame men for them, (or "the patriarchy.") Most feminists are like you, who believe women are still oppressed and disadvantaged. Even though boys do worse in school and are graded unfairly by female teachers, get less scholarships and financial aid even though more women graduate college, less young men are buying houses and have less income, they're more likely to be victims of all violence by strangers, and they're 5x more likely to commit suicide.
@Celtero Well, sorry the truth hurts so much, but women are still oppressed, even in Western countries (though certainly a lot less), and the point is not to bash men, but to criticize the system. Both men and women perpetuate the system.
If you don't see feminism working for women on a global scale, it's because you're not paying attention to what actual feminists are doing.
In MY country, one way that the system is trying to oppress women is by limiting access to reproductive health care. Trap laws, and now the desire to overturn a supreme court ruling are still very much the interest of a very vocal subset of society.
Maybe you're not as reasonable as I though. How are women oppressed in the West then? Free healthcare for your cooch isn't exactly a right, and you demanding such things goes to show how Western feminism is all about blaming men and getting free stuff for women.
@Celtero I didn't say anything about "free" healthcare. There is no such thing as free healthcare. Someone, somewhere pays for it. But people are actively trying to shut down Planned Parenthood to prevent them from providing any care to patients, knowing that Planned Parenthood's mission is to provide women with choices in family planning. People are actively trying to reduce access to reproductive healthcare, and all the other services PP provides. There is now a Supreme Court Justice who refers to all contraceptives as abortifacient which is just medically wrong - he's more influenced by the hard liners of his religion than he is by medical science, and that's not a combination that bodes well for women, teens, the poor, and people of color.
And just so it's abundantly clear, this is not to say the life of today's man doesn't have hardships. Many people are living with a great deal of hardship in their life. These hardships matter too.
Well, planned parenthood is obviously still around, and I don't see it going anywhere any time soon. Not to mention you could probably get those services elsewhere. But I'm curious as to how women still are oppressed in society.
Actually, we don't have other national resources that are just as good as Planned Parenthood. Losing it would be a major blow to public health.
It is well known that defunding and ultimately destroying PP is on the agendas of major factions of Republicans and others. We just got a Supreme Court justice who has very draconian views on reproductive health.
There are a host of other ways that sexist practices toward women happen in the West.
And bottom line, there are still people from all walks of society that truly believe women don't deserve to be treated as equals.
I'm certain there is no amount of evidence I could provide that will change your mind about the continued need for feminist action. You're not confused about that. You know there is a need, but someone convinced you that for women to have our needs met is going to make it so men can't have their needs met. But that isn't true, moreover, it's not what feminists seek.
I'm literally only asking for one legitimate way women are oppressed in the West.
PP ain't going nowhere, and the only reason it's anyone's target is because it's the face of abortion, even though it provides other services. Even if it was it wouldn't be an attack on women or whatever you'd call it, because PP provies plenty of services to men too.
You people severely exaggerate Kavanaugh. He has a wife and two daughters... so why would his intention be to make life worse for women? His belief that birth control is akin to abortion stems from the fact that some methods work by preventing a fertilized egg that has the same DNA as the human it will grow into from attaching to the uterine wall... you can disagree with him, but if you don't understand the validity of that perspective that's your fault.
Personal sexism towards men and women will always exist, but the only thing we can change actively are laws and policy.
Only when you first wake up in the morning or see a gorgeous sexy girl. Yes, life, as a guy, is harder. Girls have it easy! They can wear anything they want; they get all sorts of freebies or discounts (ladies night, etc.); guys do things for them all the time even if they're not asked to; they have their pick of the litter when it comes to picking who they want to date, fuck and marry; they're nearly always treated better; their bodies are a LOT more interesting and fun to play with; WAY more sex toys are made especially for them and they cost WAY less than a guys sex toys; in pornos, they get paid WAY, WAY more than guys and guys do MOST of the work; if they can't find real work, they can EASILY find jobs using their bodies; if they are getting a divorce, they always end up with at least half of what a guy has/makes and nearly always win custody of the kids, if there are any; people will believe them (even if they ARE lying) than they will men, they tend to get cushier jobs...
No. Each gender has their own problems they have to deal with, and most likely it's no easier for either. Those guys who say that being a man is hard would be complaining just as much if they were women. I think a lot of people today just like to complain about how unfair life is and feel sorry for themselves.
Depends on what you mean by better? More likely to be discriminated against? Yes More likely to commit suicide by about 8 times? Yes More likely to lose their children in divorce hearing and be enslaved to their now full custodial mother? Yes More likely to drop out of school? Yes. More likely than a woman to get a jobeven if resume is better and well deserves it in the name of diversity? yes. More likely to get drafted? Yes More likely to be seduced by the opposite sex because of their natural desire they follow? Yes.
No the fuck it's not. When men say this they make reference to how hard it it to get laid, the fact that they have to be careful how they approach women or they might be labelled as a threat, or that they are expected to have ambitions and accomplishments before they can get a woman, let alone a pretty one. en are whiny little bitches nowadays who want their mommy.
Nah naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. You do NOT get to belittle the value of a good approacher when you have NEVER done it in your life. You don't get to belittle the value of wanting sex or intimacy when you don't have testosterone like this.
You have NO idea how difficult it is going from weak and nervous to confident and unable to even be phased by a rejection.
Also, it's kind of silly how you expect ambitions and accomplishments from men when all you really have to offer is a vagina. This is kind of why a lot of us want to fuck you, but will never stay with you.
Here's what you have offered so far: preemptive disrespect, a lack of empathy towards men, callousness and rudeness and deflection.
I think you have a LOT to offer, but likely will not provide it or Express it when the time comes.
I think you have an inflated ego and sense of self worth that you don't live up to and direct your rage onto others and riposte this feeling by demeaning everybody else's emotions. Its bread and butter for the young and discontent black woman.
I think you have the potential to be a great and amazing person but probably don't live up to it and choose not to.
I love how women dismiss the fact that men are expected to always make the first move. I have actually dated a couple of women that have said "if I had to make the first move, I would be single the rest of my life". How pathetic is that? Especially when women can be such cunts about it. If you approach them on the street, or market, whatever, it is deemed "creepy". But in a bar it is ok? what kind of sense does that make? or online dating? women are just as big a liars as men. It is also filled with uptight nasty women like you.
@azzntitz Damn that harsh but you have to understand what men go through on a daily basis the expectation alone are crazy. So before you comment take a few minutes to think about it
There's a penis joke here somewhere. I just can't find it. That was the joke. It can be hard. (That's what she said.) Everyone expects you to be able to do everything. Be a manly man. Make 6 figures a year. Attract all the females, while being faithful to one. And then deal with her being mad cuz other girls hit on you. You have to be able to fix everything from cars to plumbing, even if you have no clue. And take care of the babies when she can't. And after all this, be sensitive to her needs and comfort her after a rough day. It goes both ways. Neither sex has it better.
It's harder in some situations and easier in others. There's a long list of examples where men and women are treated differently. But an attractive woman has a much easier life, an oversight ugly girl loses out on many of the obscene benefits beauty brings so I would say men have it easier than they do. But legally, men are fucked.
Women are more likely to suffer from depression and mental problems. Women's clothes cost more than men's Women are ignored more in the business world Women get called gold diggers but guys rarely
Men have to be strong - its harder for them to get away with being weak Men get lot of fuss for hitting a girl compared to when girls hit guys Men have it worse in terms of sex crimes - as they are not believed as much Men get judged more generally - but don't take it as seriously, girls get easily offended compared to men.
Yes it is. Men have different challenges to face than women so you really can't compare it though.
It's mentally draining to have pretty much everyone against you. Feminazis , sjws etc hating on you just for existing.
High sex drives at ages 18-30 drive us to loneliness. Our bodies want to be having sex all the time but women don't get their sex drive untill much later than guys do.
Old sexist traditions: Women don't approach as much because of tradition thus more loneliness. If you do get a date you are expected to pay.
Marriage sucks for men, pay a lot of money to say I love you to your wife. Then she gets way too much power over you. Divorce should favour the one who isn't trying to divorce.
It's difficult in it's own way, there is a lot of pressure on us for earning money, also because of how society is we don't talk about our problems, we are pressured into being macho strong and dominant and if you aren't you lose a lot of respect, also when it comes to dating a lot of women still expect the man to pay and you can feel quite used
Tbh not all girls like when men can't say what their problems are. Some women like me want to independent not relying on a man for money that's an error for me. We would prefer if you didn't have a lot of ex's meaning that the girl u have now is special. Also tbh I don't really like when you go on a date with a guy and you as a girl expect him to pay for the meal for me it's wrong for me as a woman you must always walk with money. For me, we would split the bill or I pay for the bill or at least contribute something in paying for the meal. But that is just me all girls are different.
Being a man is quite difficult yes, but its highly individualistic. Life tends to be full of challenges on everyone and what your going to find depends on the individual. In my case i am battling for my own health after i had to work so hard i destroyed myself. Keep in mind we are also discriminated against in society so its harder for a man to get a job and education because of "Positive" affirmation techniques that benefit women artificially.
I think the things that are expected of a man, are indeed harder than the things expected of a woman. Maybe not harder, but harder to achieve. We men get crushed and humiliated if we dont live up to the standards. Exspecially emotionally. Girls always wonder why we hide our emotions or if dont have any at all. We do, we are nearly just as emotional as you. But we learned to suck it up, or rather, we suck it up and live with it
Idunno. Nothing you do can ever be right, because some asshole is saying that you're "toxic", but if you don't want to be "toxic", then you're a "pussy slave". If you want to be able to support yourself, then you're contributing to an unfair labor market, but if you don't bust your ass and try to get fairly paid, you're a non-contributing parasite. It keeps going. Of course, none of this applies if you are rich.
It's never hard for the rich, and they are the ones who always get pointed out as examples of how everyone else lives.
Watch this video on YouTube: '2006 Self Made Man: Norah Vincent chooses Female Privilege over Male Privilege' Then watch the documentary, The Red Pill by Cassie Jaye.
Both Cassie and Norah are/were feminists that had no clue what it was like to be a man. Now the do.
Being a human being, no sex has it better. That's how I see it. Everybody has their struggles. And we should each respect the benefits each sex has to offer.
I really like how guys upvotes when a girl say it is equally hard but when a girl bash on guys, they get upvote from girls. Also in guys say they have it hard not even being comparative, they get downvoted.
no, not really apart from the having to be strong and masculine, not showing weakness. I empathise with women because they have it hard up, they have to endure childbirth and some even domestic violence, as such they have higher pain thresholds and tolerance to pain.
Going to answer yes. I would also say being a woman is hard. Seems like the easy life are the girls and boys who haven't grown up yet and are still coasting by based on others. But #adulting, stepping up and being a man is hard. Taking care of #$%# and being a leader is hard but is expected. It should be hard, will be hard and I wouldn't want it any other way.
I can't really say since I've never been a woman, I have nothing to compare with.
But I will point out 2 things: first, the suicide rate is higher for men which leads me to believe it's harder Second, there have been a few women (Norah Vincent) who pretended to be men for research and concluded that yes, its hard
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It’s biologically easier (physically stronger, no periods, etc) but socially harder (alpha vs beta struggle) to be a man. Especially in the western countries.
We are expected to walk this tight rope of being chivalrous, funny and sociable and the same time more stoic and tougher then women if we hope to have a fulfilling romance life.
You wonder why we die younger and also have a four times higher risk of suicide.
My advice is to quit listening to feminists and just objecitively observe men’s lives around you (and not just the aggressive ones).
High work place fatalities, high suicide rate, 60% longer prison sentences for the exact same crime a woman commits, More likely to be seen as a threat, attacked if defense himself from a woman, 40% of demestic abuse victims, yet no shelters for them, more likely to be killed by cops, etc... yet somehow most will say men have it easier than women, even though they get additional scholarships, and are more likely to graduate highschool, college, university.
certain aspects i think so. being seen as the provider of the household is a lot of stress, being told not to show emotion would eat me alive oml so yeah i think it can be
It's all I've ever known so I have nothing to compare it against. I wouldn't say that men absolutely have it better, despite what some feminists may tell you. Men have it different to women overall but every person has it different to other people. I find that very often this collective view of the sexes isn't useful.
The only thing I can think of is that the men's line to the restaroom is definitely always shorter than the women's restroom. Other than that I'm pretty sure men and women have their own struggles in life.
I don't believe any gender has it "better", there's plenty of double standards and preconceptions peoplemhave towards each gender that makes both have a lot of downsides and upsides.
I can only imagine but it's just as bad depending we're your from for both men and women equally when you think about it deep enough
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Depends on your age, social status, looks, personality, etc. Though i think men get the short end of the stick in some situations. Rape cases are practically open and shut for most men like me. I say like me because I'm a single black man that almost never goes anywhere so I almost never have an alibi. Divorce screws us more than women. I also think the law is more in favor to support women.
No I don't think so. The only disadvantage is that we can't really put make up and do beauty stuff as much as girls to improve our looks. As far as I know we all go about exactly how we are with no cover whereas girls can make themselves look a lot better than they actually do.
It's hard to be a man in a world that is always telling you you're a rapist or a mysiginist and your opinion never matters. You don't like a girl because she is fat"pig, shallow blah blah" a girl doesn't like a guy because he is less than 6 feet is fine
Men always had it much harder and still do even with present-day comforts and luxuries. Women had their difficulties as well but today all a woman has to do is be pretty and spread her legs. The prettier she is the easier life is for her. Even retarded women, psychos, raped, acid victims, whatever they are, you name it will get benefits from the State just because they have a vagina and then find the one desperate sucker to marry and enjoy life.
I'm only grateful for not having to deal with periods. The rest ain't great.
And that's before being confronted with women that can't stand the idea of not being discriminated against and the men who want to help them spread the pain.
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Confession time. I'm not really a woman. I just pretend to be one on here. Yes, women have it easier. I can't believe how quick people are to agree with me, and value my opinion. Even when its not particularly thoughtful. Men are ignored. That's the truth.
And why? Maybe it’s because men have this reputation for posting lewd and sexual stuff on here. I check the men’s questions and the majority of them makes me tired of looking in the blue section.
It totally depends on what the family and environment he was born into as well as his individual abilities. Those things are much more important than sex or race.
I agree, women probably have it worse these days. Generally speaking of course. The whole having babies thing cannot be underestimated. Also women tend to have more anxiety and worry more than their male counterparts.
I disagree. Everything equals out. You have many benefits being female. For instance, you have the ability to express your emotions freely. Men are expected to stay hyper masculine and show no emotions which leads to anger and depression.
Another big double standard that I really hate is that people feel safer with women rather than men. People don't think that you will commit crimes. If I get in the back of a cab with a woman, she automatically assumes that I might harm her. I am alone in an elevator with a woman, she thinks that I may hurt her even though I haven't done anything wrong.
@iskg679 you’re mistaken regarding emotions. If a woman expresses her emotions she’s “hormonal, unhinged, dramatic, crazed, power hungry, a feminazi, accused of misandry etc. women are still expected to be demure. Regarding your safety “double standard” it is a fact that the majority of violence against women come from men. As for your own experiences in cabs and elevators, Im sorry for your feelings of being unjustifiably feared.
If you wanna hear annoying problems from us, we have balls forever and, daily boner, getting piss everywhere if we're not using the urinal but the toilet, out of control. Not comfy. If you earn a lot of money, for who?
@SarahSummer That simply isn't true. Women have the ability to more easily express their emotions and the vast majority of violence does come from men. However, that doesn't mean that I will commit violence. Also, the vast majority of men in general don't commit crimes.
@Aiko_E_Lara Not sure what your point is. I mean I get it that you are clearly bitter about being male but what exactly is your point regarding boners and masturbation?
@SarahsSummer Also, you didn't really address the fact that the vast majority of men don't commit crimes against women. Only a small part of the population is part of the criminal justice system.
@Aiko_E_Lara Your texts have a bitter tone to them. I have no reason to be bitter. I rise up to overcome whatever life throws at me each day. I take time to know and appreciate the good things in my life. And I recognize my shortcomings and work to address them daily, so that I can be the best version of my self.
Wow you can tell my tone of my voice through text? You a psychic? You know what they say, if you start assuming I'm bitter means you are. I mean look at you. You think you're not bitter by addressing something? Hah I don't even assume but there you are. by the way if I can't respond, it means you blocked me.
@iskg679 NAgian not really sure what you are spewing about the vast majority of men dont commit crimes against women or how that relates to women being cautious around men. I said the vast majority of violence against women comes from men. The vast majority of dogs dont maul humans but when meeting a new dog everybody with half a brain take on a cautious stance.
"You know what they say, if you start assuming I'm bitter means you are." I've never heard that one but if you are not bitter about being male, I apologize. But are you? Oh and LOL, you haven't risen to level of being block worthy yet.
I'm not and I'm not assuming anything. It's like this, because you call me bitter, you're bitter about what I said and that thing is called an ad hominem which is an attack that uses assumption when their pride is hurt.
And yeah I never assumed you will really block me because you don't wanna hear another point or you'll be in denial. I'm just saying that just in case because of my experience.
.@Aiko_E_Lara I think you misunderstand the term and use of "ad hominem" I've only tried to dismantle your assertions as they've come at me. Referring to you as bitter is just my observation through the course of our discussion on men and women, hard life or not.
And for the record, I am not bitter but that's what you claimed which you don't really have to because you don't know me. I'm not saying something about my feelings in here. Just letting it out there.
I don't get women's fascination on peeing standing up. It isn't that big a deal and many times it is just easier to sit. At least women are not expected to pee in front of people, you get your own stalls. In some bathrooms there is just a trough. a big bathtub where guys stand around and pee in. That is just disgusting.
@godfatherfan when in a public restroom, I won’t sit, so I hover over the seat. Whipping it out and standing there would be a lot more convenient. Besides I thought it’s a rule for guys to not look at each other while peeing together in public.
We don't look but it sometimes is impossible not to. And I always go into a stall even if I stay standing. It is just barbaric to pee next to people. I was with my ex wife 25 years, never once did I go into the bathroom at the same time as her. I had a woman I dated for a short time and I had to tell her to close the bathroom door. That is just gross. I think it would kill oral sex and I love eating pussy too much.
no, being in there when they are peeing. Plus, that is just gross. I don't want to be in the bathroom when someone else is using it. acckk. Just because I know what is going on, doesn't mean I want to watch it.
@Aiko_E_Lara You know that when you are saying “you” and referring to me, you do realize that you know nothing about me and my maturity level right? You are saying “we” as in all males, you are literally saying that EVERY SINGLE male on Earth is going to be more mature than me when in fact that not all males are mature when they are older. You are so retarded honestly.
lilacs this world by men always not women. Even this site creator is also men well women are nothing but pussies. If women start controlling the world then this world will get destroyed!!1
@lilacs You can be plural so I can be refering to "you" as "you women" in general for the record. No need to get triggered. I mean you called males immature and I'm a male. Calm af.
@lilacs Retard you say. Nice attack. I mean if you're not a retard, you should also think about that. You're being vague at first. Why can't I? You never said male in general or some male. And of course you also said "we" in your first statement. Talk about hypocrites.
@lilacs First of all, that's sexist. Secondly, if you want to refer to male human beings, try "men", "guys", "dudes", etc. I don't say "You females!", that's just excessive and suggests you might have a problem with men. Which you definitely seem to have by the way.
Finally, let's recap.
Guys start maturing with a 1-2 year shift as compared to girls. Their brain and their physique develops slower, and takes longer. Why is that? It's because the female form is the default in the uterus, so for the Y chromosomes to make their full effect, and create secondary sex characteristics, a lot of time is required. Now, how the FUCK does that make their lives easier? -They have to perform at the same level at school, while being biologically 1-1.5 years behind girls. -They are actually expected to get to work faster and take responsibility for their lives sooner, despite not fully maturing until they are 25.
How is that easier? That's the opposite of easy [continued]
@lilacs That is like saying "well, girls have it easy in sports because most male athletes could beat female athletes easily in their respective sports!" - no shit, because once again, out biology is different.
So no, honey, you don't have it tougher, and you don't mature faster because you have it harder, you do so because you are biologically predetermined to do so. And if you don't want men to take advantage of their higher skeletomuscular mass, their more science-oriented brain, and their higher peaking IQ to disparage women and make them feel like shit, be a doll, and don't attack men either just because we are the way we are. Got it? Thanks sugar. Go back to Tumblr and post about drinking male tears if that's your thing.
@Benedek38 You guys are all acting the same. (3 of you). This is how all men act. They think they are all superior and right just like how you were talking about the creator of this website being men. They think they should be dominant. Honestly, you are driving my hatred right now. I don’t drink and I don’t have tumblr. Do not call me sweetie. You are very very fucking cocky. Do you see how many replies you did also? Obsessive disgusting nasty human being.
POINTING OUT: I SAID “MOST MEN” IN ALL OF MY ARGUMENTS. YOU THREE HAVE BEEN SAYING “WOMEN” “US” “WE” you’re telling em to fuck off? This is why feminism exists. Men will try to fuck us up and try to control us. You know, i’ll start saying MEN as in ALL MEN now because I give up with giving men chances and chances to prove how I see them as maybe not applicable to all. You men are truly. Truly. Nasty.
"There is a reason why males are really immature. Since us girls have it tough, we usually mature first and quicker. There are exceptions of course." I just have to copy paste that because I guess you're too lazy to read your first comment. Where did it say that you say "most"?
Of course thats why that’s my first comment. Do you even know what girls have to go through on a daily basis? Have you had experience in a relationship with a girl? If so, more than just one?
Expections of what? Males or Females? See? Well if you want me to be clear then I can say there are exceptions too. If you're generalizing then so are we.
@clorox, I am not going to answer a question from someone who is lazy to just put an E at the end of “your”. Chances are that you are illiterate since you typed all the other words out and didn’t miss a letter. :)
There are Exceptions for both male and male also. That is what I said. So not all males are mature and not all males are immature. Not all females are mature and not all females are immature. Get it? I think you don’t. I change my opinion now.
I know. My first respond wasn't talking about "all" women either. You are actually blind or imagining things. What I meant about basing about how you say your first comment is, when you say there are exceptions, I mean that as well.
Yes a lot of them are an example is a lot of them think sleeping around and cheating is cool 🤦♀️ that’s why rap songs are so popular. Attractive guys lives aren’t hard.
@athena223 It's cool to abuse your husbands because if they demand a divorces, they're the one's who lose 1/3 of their money, their house, their kids, social image or more and the government don't usually accept male victims to their shelter and no help from the same government which they payed taxes to. And a lot of girls thinks that's cool. smh
@lilacs 1) putting "not all" behind a sexist remark doesn't actually make it acceptable. Example: "I hate fucking nigros! Not all of them though, there are some good ones." Is that not racist?
2) I wasn't cocky, you were stupid for making an argument that's nonsensical.
3) "Men will try to fuck us up and try to control us. You know, i’ll start saying MEN as in ALL MEN now because I give up with giving men chances" I'll DM you. I want to settle this in person.
lilacs I think you should start dating real man. I guess every man in your life was lazy af (Just like you said about your dad or your boyfriend) but that doesn't mean every men is the same.
@iamnotkj She never said it's based on her experience. Maybe it's just her being triggered every time by what guys do and she can't blame herself. I sense bias.
@Aiko_E_Lara @lilacs @CLoRoX_bLeAcH @iamnotkj @Benedek38 @athena223 There's no need to be petty. Take a chill pill. You are all right and wrong in different ways, but don't generalize. If you want to bash a certain person on here, by all means, go ahead. I'm not stopping you. Just don't take it too far.
@pukyuuu How about you take the chill pill and stop assuming things. Using assumptions to attack is an act of an ego bruised person. Saying "you're all wrong" doesn't always make you truthful. I challenge you to prove it.
@pukyuuu I mean she's has been generalizing males about being immature without even thinking about herself and I'm trying to conclude an argument. What do you want us to do? Sit here quietly? Do you think that's fair? If you're gonna get triggered and call us petty for that then I suggest you leave.
@lilacs and of course you're going to get tired debunking what i say and it doesn't even take a genius to do it. You're just running out of logic. Next time, don't start something you can't even finish.
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