Can an unarmed security guard be armed?

[MementoMori777]

I know the question sounds dumb but hear me out, I want to apply for a security job, I have a carry conceal license where I can conceal a firearm but I don't have an armed security license and I want to apply for an unarmed security license, my question is tho, can I still carry my firearm for self defense like I normally do (not planning on using it for service, just for my own personal protection, can I carry as an unarmed security or do I have to leave my shit somewhere or can I still carry?

I mean I'd carry to any other job as well but this got me confused

[Goforit1010]

No... you cannot carry a gun while on the job without the proper permit.

Your employer sets the rules if they allow you to carry concealed. MANY people work for the Department of Defense (besides the military), and some of them are licensed with a CCW from the state they're in. Yet, it's illegal for them to bring their gun on a military installation and be carrying. Nearly all military people are NOT allowed to be armed while on the military reservation either!

If you are an UN-armed security guard and are caught with a weapon (even your personally owned one), you could be fired, or even prosecuted if your employer says no guns.

[Fireguy17]

Probably not.
It will really come down to the company's policy on carrying while on duty.
Plus, if the state you are in requires a different license and training to become an armed security guard you are also probably screwed.
Just check with the company you are interested in working for to see for sure.
If they have both armed and unarmed officers, they may pay for your training to become an armed guard.

[MementoMori777]

That actually makes a lot of sense and I see your point and it makes sense that the whole reason they have different licenses then there's most likely no finesse around it

[Sour-rose]

Sooo what everyone else is saying is most likely true. If they expected an unarmed security officer, then that's what they expect. If you happen to shoot someone outta self defense, then now you got yourself in a corner because you were supposed to be unarmed. And if your boss gets the heat of that, well... time for a new job.

I say this because I'm not armed with a gun, I have my knives. Aaand never had to use them on the clock buuut i'm sure it would probably be the same result

[MementoMori777]

Yea maybe I'm better off doing all the work for an armed security or look for another category of work

[nolabels]

I'd say that's a question for law enforcement authorities in the locale where you will be employed and actively stationed.

Statutes vary and that sounds like a very specific situation.

[MementoMori777]

Yea cause now it has me thinking considering I'm actually a paranoid person ( not unstable) but I don't feel comfortable being unarmed, I carry to do laundry dude 😂

[MementoMori777]

When I apply I'll ask I guess, if anything I'll park near my post and and have my gun in the car

[TroyDT2]

This is actually a really good question. The answer is probably no. Your position as an unarmed guard is just that. I have a California CCW, but if I were to work in a public school as a teacher I would not be permitted to carry there without special written permission from the district and local law enforcement.

[MementoMori777]

Yea that makes sense, I have to be 1000ft away from a school if I'm armed, I don't think it counts if I'm driving by tho

[exitseven]

I would imagine your employer would have to make that decision. Insurance liability probably prohibits it.

[MementoMori777]

Most likely

[ArtemisSilver]

If you use it the liability falls to you and you'll probably be fired.

[ArtemisSilver]

Beats being dead if the chips are down though.

[MementoMori777]

That's for sure but I wouldn't get into legal trouble if I follow all the rules when it comes to my ccw right, I'd just lose the job right?

[ArtemisSilver]

As long as you had very clear justification.

[ArtemisSilver]

Like crystal and on camera clear

[ArtemisSilver]

Maybe you should ask a local lawyer though, you never know what BS is on the books these days.

[MementoMori777]

Yea cause lowkey if it's just losing my job I'm willing to live with that lol

[ArtemisSilver]

You could try carrying a less lethal option too.

Like a shot pistol with rubber rounds or a taser. At least then it's clear your not like some kind of psycho looking for an excuse.

[MementoMori777]

I never look for problems and the gun is never going to come out unless I have to use it, so they won't necessarily know I have it unless my life is at risk and at that point I wouldn't care about the job, as long as I don't get into legal trouble

[ArtemisSilver]

Still better to ask a lawyer though.

You could also make a small professional corp and licence yourself through that with the proper insurance.

[MementoMori777]

I'd take full responsibility for my actions when it comes to giving a face to who is responsible for the shooting so I feel like it's doable maybe

[ArtemisSilver]

Then you could just work for anyone you like too

[ArtemisSilver]

Instead of the one agency

[MementoMori777]

I'm intrigued, wdym 🤔

[MementoMori777]

Like a private armed security guard?

[ArtemisSilver]

Start your own small business and be the security agency. Then you just deal directly with clients and keep all the money.

[MementoMori777]

But wouldn't I need a business license for tax purposes?

[ArtemisSilver]

Eventually. Get some revenue going then work on compliance with paperwork.

[MementoMori777]

So you don't have to get the license before starting the business? My life is a lie, I wanted to start a business but I thought we would have to do the paperwork and business registration before starting, you are saying I can't start the business and then do the registration and I won't have any legal troubles with the IRS?

[ArtemisSilver]

You secure contracts via letters of intent, get a start up loan and then file everything.

[ArtemisSilver]

Not sure how it is there but you don't need a tax number for anything under 35k

[MementoMori777]

Oh so as long as I keep record of what I owe I can do the business or did I misunderstand what you said?

[MementoMori777]

If I pass the mark required of course

[ArtemisSilver]

You get letters confirming the interest of would be clients, incorporate, get a license AND a start up loan. Then finalize contracts with customers and take direct payment to a business account. Paying yourself a salary.

[ArtemisSilver]

I'd only take the cash before doing paperwork if I was really struggling and had no alternative.

[MementoMori777]

I'm assuming it's the same type of paperwork for any type of business

[ArtemisSilver]

Aside from the firearms course and the specifics of your insurance, it's generally similar.

[MementoMori777]

Fair enough, and where exactly would I have to go to do the paperwork, department of agriculture? I might start with a much simpler, most likely in the resell business

[ArtemisSilver]

The local registry office

[ArtemisSilver]

Sometimes city hall. Lots of it can just be online now.

[ArtemisSilver]

Call your nearest chamber of commerce or BDC and they'll tell you

[MementoMori777]

That's good to hear, thanks for the helpful information, I appreciate your time bro 💯

[ArtemisSilver]

No problem. GL out there.

[MementoMori777]

Thanks G 💯

[MementoMori777]

Likewise

[dudeinohio]

You'd likely be fired by your employer. Liability issues and such.

[MementoMori777]

That definitely makes sense, It does say unarmed and being armed contradicts that but I thought maybe it could've been a loophole cause unless carrying isn't permitted at my job then I can carry legally as a civilian, I thought maybe the job wouldn't effect those rights but at the same time I can see why it would

[SlothySlob]

It's completely fine until you use it on your shift.
I think it's expected of you to call the cops when shit goes down.

[FunkyMonkee]

Doesn't that defeat the purpose?