Creation or chemicals or?

[msc545]

How did life begin?

Science thinks that some simple chemicals somehow became more complex chemicals that eventually became cells, etc. There is a problem here regarding where the energy to power all these chemical reactions came from since there was no friendly power company involved as far as we know - Not even any walls or wall outlets or generators.

Creation asserts that God simply... uh... created man. No real mention of how he did that and with what, save Eve's rib. A little too simple considering the complexity of humans. The simplicity has led to a lot of scepticism. A lack of energy is the least of the issues here.

A variant of Creationism called Intelligent design says that the designer was actually sort of a biochemist and anatomist, and he put all this... uh... stuff together and built people. No real evidence for that but the ID people assert that there had to be an intelligent designer because people are so complex. Not convincing but not clearly wrong. Begs the question of who was the intelligent designer? Maybe God? What were the raw materials and where did the designer get them and how did he put them together? No answer for this as yet.

I vote for God

I vote for chemicals

I vote for Intelligent Design

I have no answer and I am only writing to get points which you probably won't give me.

[LaFemmeFatale_1]

I am leaned into the idea of science and chemicals. That’s what I choose to believe in.

Although sometimes, I pander the idea that, in truth we might be of the same importance for the universe, as our cells are to us, the human organism. Maybe even smaller significance?

The universe follows the pattern, there are some rules we are not quite familiar of. While we have intelligent mind, and the curiosity, I still think, maybe we are far less significant than we think we are and maybe, if we ever truly grasp the idea of how insignificant we truly are and what we are the part of, we’d go insane.

Because everything we believed we were - will perish into the absurdity.

I also consider the tiny possibility of the Intelligent design.

But mostly I believe science can explain our existence, if not today, then definitely- someday.

God - for people, is just the answer for all the scientific questions that we haven’t found the answer of. Yet.

[MaybeTony]

Science is perpetual in the sense that we're always learning more. For way of example, in the early 20th century luminiferous aether was once thought to be an invisible substance that light waves move through, but today that's seen as foolish. To suggest that science is now fixed truth as way to validate a narrative against religion when it is inherently perpetual is illogical. How I read most of Genesis in the Old Testament is allegorical which is the correct way to read it in my opinion. I personally believe that the idea that everything came from nothing is the wrong outlook. You know how difficult it is to design humanoid robots that mimc our physiological movements and sense balance? Our bodies are amazingly complex. If the distance between the earth and sun was not at the exact point it is today, then we'd either freeze, burn, or seize to exist. Life is a miracle. I believe the most convincing religion and the one in which I personally subscribe to is of conical gospels of Jesus Christ.

[slatyb]

Past beliefs in the ether aren't considered foolish today, merely incorrect.

[slatyb]

Creationisms assertions are untestable and therefore meaningless. The energy for life on Earth comes from the Sun. That's not a mystery. What we don't know is how it began. We know that all current organisms have the same genetic code and can see that the enormous diversity is a result of evolution.

[msc545]

you would need to be able to convert sunlight into electricity.

[slatyb]

Yes, and we do. The chemistry is complex but it's understood.. Plants convert carbon dioxide and water into carbohydrates like glucose. We eat them, then oxidize them to get free energy it's complex after that. Look up the ADP/ATP cycle

[msc545]

Everything you mentioned depends on life and energy to function.

[slatyb]

Of course. The energy comes from the sun. I don't understand the comment. We know a great deal about the chemical processes that power living organisms.

[msc545]

Energy comes from the Sun in the form of heat and light. How do you think those were converted to usable energy?

[slatyb]

In the complex but well-understood process of photosynthesis plants use light energy to reduce carbon dioxide and water into carbohydrates.

[slatyb]

Similar to the way solar cells convert sunlight to electricity --; photos drive elections into a higher energy state.

[msc545]

Do you think maybe the plants are alive to start with?

[slatyb]

Of course plants are alive. ?

[IslaTheWitch]

I still believe in coincidences :D because it wasn't planned for sure, it could be planned much cleaner and better :D

[DrPepper12]

It's already been done! By us! Scientists have thrown chemicals and electricity together and already created the basic building blocks And moreover, ran the simulations from the results into God knows how many different permutations and the end result was life in a some of them. There is no God

[msc545]

Define life in this context please.

[DrPepper12]

Simple single cell organisms.
scitechdaily.com/.../

[msc545]

Can it reproduce and do all the other things associated with life?

[DrPepper12]

Dammit Jim I'm a doctor, not a biologist! ✌🏻

[msc545]

right, I don't think their creation is alive in the sense we mean it generally

[exitseven]

You can say that it was just a random accident which may be a scientist's view but the more I learn about the natural world the more that I doubt that it all happened at random.

[NathanDavis]

I like the convoluted theories better... prebiotic synthesis, they call it

but that's just my personality... make it work, rather than "this is just how it is because it is"

[Cheapskate]

www.quantamagazine.org/.../

[OtterMan68]

which is harder to believe: God created life, or life just sprung up: aren't both miraculous?

[yumebapecigegöaşgüay]

you men were created from soil
We, the femalewere created from the ribs of you men.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

I voted for God