Why do certain 'groups' of women have feminine features?

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Is it due to lower levels of testosterone? By feminine features I mean facial structure and body structure, while other women have masculine features and a masculine body

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OpenClose · Accepted Answer

This is obviously another racial question like before. I don't think you chose the best examples of black women.

But here's the thing: Black people represent nearly ALL genetic variety in the entire human race. The moment you leave sub-Saharan Africa, you're talking about the minority of human genetic variety. So I find it funny when people refer to blacks as a unified, homogeneous group.

The single most homogeneous continent is Europe, whose preferences in features are primarily European, and therefore much more particular and uniform than what you would find in Africa.

Black men likely have more variety of personal preferences. It's why you'll find much bigger black women, and more black guys who prefer big women. The availability and the preferences match up.

This is also why there's a frustration with the whole obesity epidemic. Most people throughout history have been thin. So men's attraction was based mostly on a thinner frame. After thousands of years of this, obesity suddenly surged in the past 30 or so years. Suddenly men's preferences don't match with women's bodies.

Men's preference has adjusted a bit to include bigger women, but you'll find men fantasize about women who are farthest from the current epidemic. When starvation was common, men fantasized about big women. Now that the developed world is literally eating itself to death, men fantasize more about thin women.

The effect hit men less, likely because it's masculine to be "big and strong".

Another thing, the "masculine" women you showed weren't so much masculine as they were more muscular. Beyonce is often used as an example of feminine curves, and she has legs that could practically crush a car.

You'll probably find that white men are attracted to black women with "white" features. This isn't an issue of sexism or racism. It's an issue of genetics. Most of the developed world is white, so why would it be shocking that most of the developed world likes "white" features?

Hamburgers · Accepted Answer

I do believe it is higher levels of testosterone.

Izzy2102 · Accepted Answer

yes it's probably most likley due to different testosterone and estrogen levels at different stages of their lives. i.e men generally find infantile facial features attractive and a low levels of testosterone during puberty create infantile features I don't think you picked the pictures well though

Beyonce for example has a very feminine pear shaped body. While eva longoria, Selena gomez and the chick in the black bikini have rather boyish bodies. Not masculine but not very feminine either. It's hard to make judge the faces on those pics, but generally speaking round faces are feminine and squared faces are masculine link link what is considered most attractive though is a mix of masculine and femine though. Angelina jolie for example has a rather squared face with a lot infantile features

OpenArmsAlice · Accepted Answer

After looking at your picture I don't think I understand your question.. the ladies in your "Masculinity" section , in my opinion , seem more attractive in feminine ways then the ladies in your first group.

I say this because in the first group the ladies are all thin with little body shape.. where is that hourglass shape? No curves?

The ladies in the second group have curves, some with muscle definition. I see these as healthy feminine traits.

Are you looking at their bodies overall or just their facial features?

confugirl · Accepted Answer

You can't just pick the most masculine women from one group and the most feminine from another. It doesn't work that way. Both have masculine and feminine. I can tell you that a lot of white or Asian women look like men if they do not flash their boobs. Also a lot of black women look very delicate and feminine. You can't assign it to one group or the other, especially with your approach.

cheesesteak7 · Answer

pictures seem biased and particularly chosen to try to prove a point... I could easily use these to counter your point: Feminine: Masculine:

Anonymous · Answer

How is       more feminine than      ?  Anyway Oestrogen has a bigger impact on a woman features (face and body     )than Testosterone. Femininity is enhanced by more estrogen. Those "feminine"girls have lower estrogen than some of those "masculine" girls As to why some "groups" are more feminine I don't know why and I personally don't see it everyday. It could possibly be due to the slave trade. Slave owners wanted the more athletic and stronger people and hand picked them.  And after looking at these I'm convinced that I l'm attracted to "masculine"features

cavmanier · Answer

I read somewhere that women with smaller noses and large eyes had more estrogen when in puberty. Also shorter females and female with larger hips. Supposedly taller males and males with deeper voices had more testosterone (these are all only determined during puberty so hormones may have changed). Do you see the contradiction? Okay who would have more testosterone during adolescene? The short male with deep voice or the tall one with higher pitched voice? Who has more estrogen? The short girl with small eyes or the girl with a small nose and small hips? I don't think science knows that much about this.

pooper89 · Answer

None of the links you label as "masculine" aren't particularly masculine. And why did you pick all black women? Are black women masculine-looking to you?

First link: She's just skinny and very tribal looking. Not necessarily masculine

Second link: Are wide hips and big boobs masculine? Seriously, just because she works out and has muscle tone doesn't make her masculine.

Thrid link: That's just scary looking

Fourth link: It's Naomi Campbell...seriously?

Feminine links:

First link: I would say having broad shoulders is definitely a masculine feature

Second link: okay, Selena Gomez...cool

Third link: I would say not having curves would be a masculine feature

Fourth link: No boobs

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Anonymous · Answer

Yes group 2 is the most masculine. Yes wide hips is a feminine trait but overall the women in Group 2 are more masculine. one feminine trait doesn't do much if you have a dozen masculine traits.

I don't even think traits like big butt and wide hips are considered all that feminine anyway. Sure from a biological aspect, yes they are but societal views overrides biology when it comes to beauty. Otherwise women would be fine for women to go without shaving. These days, I think small breast and more lithe body is considered more feminine than a rubenesque body. The smaller maidenly body represents youth and youth is more beautiful than old age and beauty is feminine. A small maidenly body is feminine and in need of being protected. A big bulky body is strong and independent and can protect oneself. But that's okay because "certain women" pride themselves on masculine traits like a large body, independence, strength, so it should be a compliment to them.

Anonymous · Answer

I think to a large extent it is that they tend to cut their hair so short. Black women are far more likely to cut their hair extremely short, which is very masculine to most men. They are also more likely to live in poverty, and people that live in poverty are more likely to be overweight. An overweight woman soon loses her feminine features.

I have never heard of a study saying black men or women have higher testosterone levels than any other race. Such a study would be very controversial.

There could be a difference between black people in general, and African Americans because of the breeding that took place in American during times of slavery. I have heard that about 3/4 of all slaves gathered up to become slaves actually died before making in to the United States. So the weakest were all killed while only the strongest even made it over here in the first place. So there could be a difference between different groups of black people.

Phoenix1991 · Answer

I found it odd that the whole entire masculinity links were all black females, nonetheless, I found link 2 and 4 in the masculinity more attractive than everyone else in the femininity section.

I think the difference is in body physique and fitness level which might increase their testosterone levels a bit , The femininity links are just slim and slender, they are mostly under weight while the others look more athletic Or in better shape than them.

Anonymous · Answer

Testosterone is largely responsible for masculine traits in both physical appearance and personality in both genders.

Now, there are some here at GAG who would take offense at that "generalization" and would prefer to just not discuss it, even though it is a fact of life. Props to you for asking the question anyway. Fear of offending someone's delicate sensibilities is not a good reason to avoid a discussion.

G-Daz · Answer

I wouldn't say that is strictly true, "feminine" features are more likely to be features that are more exclusively common in one gender than the other. I'd say thick thighs, big hips, bip lips etc are usually more associated with feminine. I personally didn't find any of the links that attractive but I'd say the "masculinity" ones have more feminine features

WhiteSteve · Answer

If Beyonce is masculine, then I'm the biggest queer on the planet.

MissConfused93 · Answer

I think it's funny how you compared white and black women. You could have compared Asians and whites. That would be a large difference too and make white women look extremely masculine. Quit being a racist bitch. This is so biased it's not even funny.

Also the guy who tried to prove this has no credibility and his study was taken as a joke by the rest of the scientific community.

Anonymous · Answer

Half the links in the "Feminity" section point to women who haven't feminine body structures. Women have curved bodies, the waist has to be clearly narrower than the hips, and some of those women are either straight lines or almost straight lines. Those are child bodies.

Dandeus · Answer

I fail to see how being flat chested, bone thin, and without hips is particularly feminine...

john52461 · Answer

I think so, but some people are just ugly, they didn't evolve much from the Neanderthal days, good example I think is the features of venus/serena williams, he have wide noses go bringing in air, they can out run most people, they are very muscular and tall, most guys will lose a fight to serena williams

highondrugs · Answer

why did you post only black women with masculine features.. there's plenty of white masculine looking women too. are you racist? lol

theblondeguy · Answer

blacks usually look more manly but it all has to do with testosterone levels at birth...

WeaponZero · Answer

Honestly I don't see it.  a few of the white women you showed are just extremely thin, and I don't see any masculine features in "Masculinity" pictures #2 and #4.

SkyrimAddict · Answer

I think the girl in the 2nd link under masculinity is gorgeous and she looks feminine to me, she just works out. Some girls do look more feminine then others, but there is more to a being feminine like how the girl acts and how she dresses.

jmurk · Answer

My goodness you're obsessed with race. Since you're in college and you love to talk about race, you should maybe get into this

Anonymous · Answer

Wait a sec...I've seen some pretty feminine looking black women like Pam Grier. Besides, black women have curves and such. Last time I checked, that's pretty feminine.

But, I do think black people do have higher t levels because I always hear about their high sex drives but who cares if they do? They still look good and are still human.

Anonymous · Answer

so if your skinny you're feminine, if you have thick arms and legs your masculine? lol oh and dark skin is masculine too. I think you have a biased perception of what beauty is...

Anonymous · Answer

Black women have the most feminine bodies except our friend we fondly call chipmunk. She has non-existent breasts, small butt and has muscular legs

WhiteSteve · Answer

Even odds that your white boyfriend left you for a black chick.

Anonymous · Answer

You seem to have a strong hatred for black people, especially black women.

yaddayaddayadda02 · Answer

So, again,yo have given me more for the spank bank

Anonymous · Answer

Nah, I agree to totally disagree with you. I just love that 'group' of women. Ok.

Anonymous · Answer

Because of testosterone.  But after seeing the pictures all I can say is "not this again..."

Anonymous · Answer

Why are all your masculine ones black.. and feminine ones white... interesting..

Anonymous · Answer

whats with you and all these race comparisons?

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