Why do I only attract beta men?

[Anonymous]

I am a woman with a naturally dominant personality and now that I'm 30 I'm really starting to wonder if I'm some kind of anomaly. I'm a dominant woman who is attracted to dominant men, inside and outside the bedroom. My personality it seems is the problem because I tend to attract very beta submissive men. Let me just say that there is nothing wrong with submissive men, I'm just not attracted to it whatsoever. I need someone who will challenge me and put me in my place when need be. Is it impossible for a strong woman to attract a strong man? What am I doing wrong?

[AdamThomas]

It could be anything. Whenever I hear a woman say that she's "too strong", that men find her "intimidating", or that men "can't handle her", usually there's just something about her that's really annoying and off-putting. It's not that men find her intimidating at all, she's either just annoying or she's a pain in the ass to deal with.
The reason they're annoying is usually that they're very argumentative over small things, or they like to sort of show off how intelligent they are by trying to get the last word if that makes sense? And it's like you can't have a normal conversation with them, everything is a debate or a game of trying to "one-up" the other. Obviously I don't know much about you, but there's that.

So what do you mean by naturally dominant?

Most alpha guys (I don't really like the term "alpha" but I get what you mean by that) want a girl who is feminine. Not necessarily submissive, just not one that tries to be the boss. My girlfriend is very strong-minded, dominant in some ways and not afraid to speak her mind to anybody, but she's still feminine. I would say I'm more of the leader in the relationship and unless she really disagrees with something she lets me take the lead - a woman as I described would probably be a pain in the ass about all sorts of things just because.

[Ratiocinative]

You say you're a dominate woman, but dominance is a masculine trait. Obviously you haven't given any details, but it sounds maybe you're trying to be the man in the relationship?

Most women enjoy a guy being assertive and having a plan during a date, but I once came across a woman who accused me of always needing to be in charge simply because I suggested we go outside for a walk, and later that we go for a drive.

Not sure if that's what you mean when you say you're dominant, but that wasn't earning her any points. If you want to be in a relationship with a man who acts like a man, then you need to be a woman who acts like a woman. That's not to say you can never play the dominant role, but if you're doing it often enough to make the guy feel like a woman then you will attract guys who act like women.

[Asker]

Dominance is a masculine trait really? If a woman had said this all the sub guys on GaG would have been all on her like no tomorrow. But, since a man said it that's ok I suppose...

[Ratiocinative]

Testosterone activates androgen receptors which directly increases aggression. Men have 8-10x as much testosterone as women. When women have high testosterone they develop a deeper voice, chest and facial hair, increased gential size, sharper jaw line, increased muscle mass, etc. In short, they start turning into men.

Yes, really.

[RJGraveyTrain]

I'm in a similar boat. My personality comes across as bold and some describe it as domineering. I describe myself as socially "dominant" but intimately submissive. I do find that because of my personality I also attract very passive men as a result.

All you can do is keep trying, and make it known what your preferences are. If they can't live up to it then all you can do is move on.

[Asker]

Good advice. Thank you.

[dontknow12]

"I describe myself as socially "dominant" but intimately submissive". What do you think of a guy who's socially reserved but intimately dominant?

[RJGraveyTrain]

@dontknow12 Depends on how reserved he is. I have a tendency to be attracted to people who are outspoken like me.

[RJGraveyTrain]

However, that depends on what you mean by reserved. If he's just more of a quiet type or if he's completely shy and soft spoken. Everyone has their own definition.

[springocelot]

"I'm a dominant woman who is attracted to dominant men"
What do you mean by dominant?

Whenever a woman describes herself as "dominant" she usually exudes masculine traits (personally, not physically). Problem is dominant/masculine men won't go for "dominant" woman. They'll go for their compliment, which is submissive/feminine woman since people attract their compliments.

[Anonymous]

Because most people don't want to fight all the time. This junk about being "put in your place" is silly. You're a grown up - if you're of line take responsibility for yourself!!

[cchris989]

Hey if she wants a guy to put her in her place, there are plenty of inmates that wouldn't mind going back to jail.

[Mankow]

First, stop classifying Men as either Alpha or Beta. If you ever meet a guy who calls himself an Alpha Male, run. Run as far away as possible because it means he's secretly a giant bitch. Also, this isn't Huxley's "Brave New World" we're living in here, so drop the dumb ass labels for starters. The reason you can't find a "strong man", as you put it, is because you've made up some kind of ideal in your head of this guy you want to be with. Can you define what you mean by a dominant man? Because I'm sure you and every other girl out there who wants a dominant man has at least a slightly different definition. I also don't believe that you want a guy who will "put you in your place" because that would make you less dominant. You want someone challenging? how about trying to make it work with a 'submissive' guy? or is that too challenging? If you want to date an asshole just find some white trash idiot from the south. They'll treat you like shit, fuck your brains out, and leave you with the kids while they go out drinking and mudding with their bros. You could also go hit up the douchiest local frat house. Ask them if they consider themselves dominant men.

What you're doing wrong is having expectations. You take every person for who they are, not what you want them to be. Also, just because someone else is different from you, doesn't meant they are 'Beta' or 'submissive' (just want to clarify that). Sometimes people just aren't in to showing their cards immediately. Sometimes you don't know what you like until you find it. However, I can't convince you of anything, only you can.

[feminismisnarcissism]

2 things on this:

1/ Are you SURE you're open to a dominant man? Think back to how you reacted when a man DID "put you in your place"-how did you handle it? I'm very dominant and I notice with dominant women-it's just not worth my time usually, they're too much work. They're so busy in a control battle that they are exhausting. I don't want a woman that wants a power struggle all the time. Now what I find is that most (and really nearly all in my experience but I hate qualifiers like "all, never" etc.) dominant women that are ALSO insecure are the difficult ones-ie "high maintenance". I have ONE dominant girlfriend who I get along with because she is NOT insecure. She doesn't tell me not to have female friends, she doesn't get jealous, and she doesn't freak out on me when I call her out on her shit-she actually listens -it's very mutual. It's not a struggle at all. So the security issue comes to mind as that's the thing I find lacking in MOST dominant women-the dominance is more of a front for their insecurities underneath. I still find them attractive, I still have sex with them, I still TRY to have a relationship with them, but they end up running me off with shit like fake breakups and other control mechanisms that simply DO NOT WORK on alpha men, we lose all respect for them when they pull such low level tactics that work GREAT on... beta men. ie change up your game and you'll KEEP a dominant man if you attract one (if you do such things).

[feminismisnarcissism]

ignore the "1/" i originally intended a bit of a list, but it turned into an all-inclusive rant instead ;)

[Asker]

I agree with some of what you say because I don't enjoy power struggles either but I believe there has to be a happy medium that doesn't involve "dom/sub" dynmaics. That is bdsm, not a relationship.
I don't want to control or be controlled, I want mutual strength, but in our society people assume alpha needs beta to balance. For me, that has never worked.

[think_logic85]

All I read in your post above is "I" , "Me" , "I'm", "Challenge Me" , Me , Me , Me, Oh my God woman, what is wrong with you, why aren't you getting in relationships in the first place when all you want is "for yourself" without taking anything in account about the other person.

Since you are so dominant and an Alpha woman and you seem to attract all the Beta men right? Could it be that the problem is you thinking your alpha, while your not even beta.

"I need someone who will challenge me and put me in my place when need be"

Well as for that, have you tried calling Mr. Grey from fifty shades of grey, he's the alpha your looking for. Give him a call.

[Asker]

By challenge me I meant someone who doesn't agree with everything I say and do just to keep me around. Not everything is sexual. And fifty shades of grey sucked massively.

[think_logic85]

I think more than half of your problems would be solved, if you talked and communicated with your partner openly, letting them figure out like it's a piece of Puzzle and they have to Einstein to fix it, is a bit unrealistic to me, otherwise you would just be going from one guy to the next, it can't be that your just pretty perfect, no human being is, so I would say that you have to see things from a realistic point of view and not the ones that you mentioned in your original post.

The choice is of course yours, my opinion is just one of many that you would get, do what you think is best for you.

[Negrodamuss]

tbh im kinda tired of women who say "i need a man to put me in my place" or "i need a man who can tame me" Seriously, you're a grown ass woman. Keep yourself tame and in control, as you expect from the men you're presumably dating. I mean, how alpha can a girl be if she needs a guy to manage her like some wild cage animal? I believe that like often attracts like. An alpha man probably has enough brains to seek out a woman who will create artificial arguments/problems. A beta man however will put up with that crap, which is probably why you attract them. Just my opinion

[Negrodamuss]

Correction: An alpha man probably has enough brains to seek out a woman who will NOT* create artificial arguments/problems.

[Asker]

Never said I needed to be tamed. I am a grown ass woman and I'm still human just like other adults and sometimes we ALL need someone to tell us to take a step back because we're fucking up. No one is perfect.

[feminismisnarcissism]

But you did say that, that's what "put me in my place" means.

[Asker]

@feminismisnarcissism to be "tamed" would imply a change in personality entirely. All I was trying to say is it would be acceptable for my partner to tell me to take a seat when needed.

[aficionado]

Firstly, the word 'beta' is so wrong, irrelevant and insulting to men. There is no alpha, beta or gamma men.

I get your frustration. Why don't you try approaching these 'wrong' men yourself? It also makes you look bold and dominant, and increases the chances of them being attracted to you!

[feminismisnarcissism]

only beta men say that lol

[aficionado]

@feminismisnarcissism

No, it's just arrogant, self-centred people who classify themselves or others as alpha, beta etc. This isn't Greet alphabet, and humans aren't wolves..

[feminismisnarcissism]

false. An alpha man has boundaries, has his set of rules up front and doesn't compromise. A beta man simply REACTS to women and tries to appease them... he lets THEM set the rules. The difference is in how they relate to women, not each other. That's how I know you're a beta because if you were alpha, you'd know the difference is not only real but HUGE.

[aficionado]

@feminismisnarcissism

Well... I just know that 'alpha male' is usually a more sophisticated term for a jerk. There is nothing like alpha or beta. People are individuals with their unique set of traits and characteristics. No one is completely alpha or beta or whatever. Everyone has their weaknesses.

Call me beta all you want, doesn't affect me one bit. And it does not change the fact that this whole alpha, beta, gamma crap is completely bullshit, often used by insecure men to display false bravado, and belittle others who don't.

[feminismisnarcissism]

actually some of us are former beta men who woke up and got a clue... I hope you learn and not the hard way-as I did.

[aficionado]

@feminismisnarcissism

I have nothing to 'learn'. I'm happy the way I am, I won''t give in to 'brainwashing' like you and a lot of other so-called 'beta men' did. You were all told that there was something wrong with you, and you need to act in certain ways to be labelled 'alpha'. And you took the bait!

[feminismisnarcissism]

false. beta men are the ones who bought into bullshit. recognizing it's bullshit is waking up. most men are beta men and have no clue. going through the system (ie divorce, custody, etc.) is what wakes many up.

[Ratiocinative]

Oh believe me, I know plenty of beta men. The stories I could tell are hilarious. The guy who goes on one date, then stalks her facebook page and see some meme about some kind of relationship she wants, then he immediately texts her telling he would be honored to give it to her. True story.

[aficionado]

@Ratiocinative
Such men are 'creeps', not 'beta men'! :P

[RedVulcan]

Raises hand.
It's not insulting, some men are just alphas and some are not, such is life. Agree with the approach them yourself strategy, it'll eventually get you a dominant male who's interested in a dominant female.

[akadatank44]

Hahha oh I feel you on the challeging part. I'm unsure what to tell you but everyday is a new day. It takes what 15 minutes to meet and talk with a new guy you just met. They are what 960 minutes in a day that your around an about (I took out 8 hours for beauty sleep haha) it only takes 1.56% of your day to meet and talk to a new guy.
Its the personality of what's "holding" you back I think. You want someone who is dominant but you are dominant outside the bedroom you may clash in life so maybe dominant dudes by you aren't attracted to you. So maybe that's why I'm unsure lol. I think two dominant behaviors would be awesome youd push each other, in a good way and challenge. I love independent strong women. They know what they want and go get it. But that's me.

[Oram52]

And what makes you think you're a dominant woman, what makes you a dominant woman? What's to say dominant is not being a bitch? Also what kind of dominant men you desire? What it means to be dominant can vary depending on women. That said what ELSE do you have to offer apart from you're "dominant".

"I need someone who will challenge me and put me in my place when need be."
Challenge how, put you in your place when/why?

[Fearless_banana]

Men in general are pussies today in comparison to your grandparents generation. Try searching in better places. Former military.. law enforcement.. fire fighters etc.

[feminismisnarcissism]

law enforcement? get real-that's the primary job for cowards so they can have an advantage. ie a FALSE alpha.

[Fearless_banana]

@feminismisnarcissism They are taking on a job in which you have to carry a gun to protect yourself and others on a daily basis. They are wearing kevlar to protect themselves from being killed. That's not something to be taken lightly. They deal have to make quality decisions under pressure or they will lose their job.

[Fearless_banana]

Imagine you pull over a parolee and he is on his 2nd strike and not willing to go back to prison. You run his plates and see that he doesn't have warrants but his arrest record indicates felony narcotics use. You pull him over grab him out cuff him up and put him in the back of your cruiser to initiate a search. You find heroin locked and loaded ready to go with his whole kit. Bring it to the back of the car and see the guy in tears. Your SGT already knows what's going on and pushes you to make the arrest. Obviously this guy has a drug issue and it turns out he was more than cooperative than you. He’s crying saying that he has a kid and has completed two semester of college and is actually trying to put his life back on track. When a grown ass man cries in front of you like that it’s not an easy thing to cope with.

[Fearless_banana]

You now have to send him to prison for the rest of his life because your SGT heard the dispatch.

Now it turns out this guys brother is affiliated with with a well known gang and his brother and his crew are mad dogging you in the courthouse. You receive a death threat in the mail and hide it from your family to not alarm them.

[Fearless_banana]

You have to live with fear and a guilty conscience for the rest of your life. There is a constant battle of morality that goes into every arrest you make. A police officer needs to be mentally strong enough to handle those emotional repercussions. It’s not an easy job by any means.

[Fearless_banana]

All of you anti establishment guys need a serious reality check. Don't 911 next time you are being robbed at gunpoint. Call a crackhead and see what he can bring the table to protect you.

[Asker]

I've actually found that the men in such positions you describe turn very submissive behind closed doors, especially military men. I believe it has to do with the high stress job and needing a relief from it yada yada. Sometimes that stereotype is true.

[Fearless_banana]

A lot of men in high authority have so much control in their real life that they like to unleash sexually and have someone else take control for a change. That's one variable though.. that's sex.

[Fearless_banana]

You must be dating a bunch of sailors lmfao.

[feminismisnarcissism]

nice fallacy-course in law enforcement, they turn you down if you have an IQ above average, so law enforcement don't know how to debate at all. It's not about anti-establishment. Law enforcement would be a good thing if it had a correcting mechanism, but it does not-a bad cop gets promoted, and that means it attracts psychopathic cowards into the profession.

it's not personal, and you're very childish to make it personal, but you kinda prove my point if you are law enforcement (ie your fallacious arguments are those of a coward).

[Fearless_banana]

@feminismisnarcissism I'm making it personal because I'm former military and went through the police academy myself. You're going to call me a coward for having an opposing view? I tried to lay out the reality of a day in the life so you can come to grasp with reality. I'm not exactly stupid either but me saying that has no value for this is the internet. I challenge you to mentally challenge me right now. Let's do this without intervening factors or intermediaries. You calling me derogetory names because my opposition is the very definition of childish. That seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is actually quite amusing. In other words, it's extremely ironic that you used the word childish when your attitude within this conversation is the direct epitome within that.

[Fearless_banana]

@feminismisnarcissism https://i.imgur.com/CdUvvHB.png

[feminismisnarcissism]

right, like I said, you can't be a cop if you're even a half standard deviation above average. Which means most cops are boneheads.

[Fearless_banana]

@feminismisnarcissism That's ridiculous... most guys I went to the academy with me were all holding at least a bachelor's. That article is an implication that police officers have an IQ hovering above average. There is no substance in what you are saying. There is no foundational basis. It's just "I'm right and you're wrong"

Stereotypes exist, I recognize that. Human brains are wired for pattern recognition and like it or not there is some truth to almost all stereotypes. They exist because people have noticed the patterns.

Stereotypes are an example of reasoning from the specific to the general. We all do it, and it's important for survival. The problem arises when we assume a stereotype is true for a specific person or persons, or act on the assumption it may be true, instead of reserving judgment until you have confirming facts.

[feminismisnarcissism]

there is a basis. it's a fact they won't take anyone with an IQ over 110 or 115, depending on the location.

[feminismisnarcissism]

and the logic to it is obvious-you can't have cops who THINK for themselves. you must be able to MANAGE them, and the higher an IQ, the more likely the independent thought.

[Fearless_banana]

@feminismisnarcissism If you carry any sort of intelligence then you would be able to comprehend logic. Do you realize that it's irrational for you to place a stereotype. There are over 900,000 sworn officers in the United States. If you are consistent with your logic you are saying that all 900,000 of those people are bone heads. On top of that you are negating the fact that the article I've linked to you proves that police officers have a median IQ that is considered to be slightly above average. You are rendering that null just so you can stick by your narrative and spew more nonsensical babble that has no bearing.

[feminismisnarcissism]

intelligence is the primary ENEMY of the state, and the lower the level, the more dangerous. You can't have cops out there spotting the bullshit in the state... that would be disastrous for the power at the top-that would lead to a quick revolution.

[Fearless_banana]

@feminismisnarcissism Do you realize how irrational you sound?

[dudeman]

military so they can get cheated on?

[feminismisnarcissism]

if you realized it, you could explain how-it's your burden, so take it, do tell how is my argument irrational. your burden, got honor? then explain

[Fearless_banana]

@feminismisnarcissism I've laid out and articulated my stance with factual information. Your rebuttal is nonsensical open ended insults. There is nothing that you have said that comes even close to oppose my stance.

[feminismisnarcissism]

denying my position is not a rebuttal.

and my opinion is a FACT: abcnews.go.com/.../story?id=95836

[Fearless_banana]

@feminismisnarcissism
"intelligence is the primary ENEMY of the state, and the lower the level, the more dangerous. You can't have cops out there spotting the bullshit in the state... that would be disastrous for the power at the top-that would lead to a quick revolution."

That sounds like some theoretical line that is the direct result of one that has consumed far too many psychedelics.

[feminismisnarcissism]

isn't that the SAME article you quoted from, and I quote "Most Cops Just Above Normal The average score nationally for police officers is 21 to 22, the equivalent of an IQ of 104, or just a little above average.

Jordan alleged his rejection from the police force was discrimination. He sued the city, saying his civil rights were violated because he was denied equal protection under the law.

But the U. S. District Court found that New London had “shown a rational basis for the policy.” In a ruling dated Aug. 23, the 2nd Circuit agreed. The court said the policy might be unwise but was a rational way to reduce job turnover." the rational basis is exactly as i said.

[Fearless_banana]

So you are sourcing biased media which ABC is known for.. and using one article that fits your narrative. From a sociological perspective a social institution, if you recognize law enforcement to be of that is so large that there are are obviously going to bad apples and mistakes that are made. Just like any profession or other large group. This doesn't trump that fact that police officers are actually considered to be above average IQ. That doesn't trump my article in the least. All that shows me is you are nitpicking articles based off of emotion and rendering some type of selective bias. All of these anti police advocates will link the few cases in which internal affairs have actually opposed the officer and deemed as not justified. They will take those and present it out to be that police are the bad guys. That is yellow journalism at it's finest and you watching biased news media means you are nothing but a puppet.

[Fearless_banana]

In order for you to form a respectable opinion you need to look at both sides including the opposing side without any selective bias.

[feminismisnarcissism]

you need to quit using fallacies. by avoiding my arguments, you've conceded.

[Fearless_banana]

@feminismisnarcissism My argument is not unsound. I'm pointing out the mere fact that you are placing a stereotype on 900,000 people and believing that every single one of them is stupid or a "bonehead" That's irrational in every way.

You are using one article that fits your narrative and ignoring everything else presented to you due to selective bias. One incident doesn't represent 900,000 people. You can't render every other opposition as null that contradicts your narrative.

[Fearless_banana]

"The average score nationally for police officers is 21 to 22, the equivalent of an IQ of 104, or just a little above average."

[Fearless_banana]

SInce when is 'above average' considered a bonehead?

[Omar5881]

1944 , 18 years old storm beaches , jump out of planes , charge into almost certian death
2016, 18 years old needs a safe place because words hurt

[feminismisnarcissism]

104 IS average. 4 points is not "above average" to a notable degree. one standard deviation IS statistically notable, that's 15 points and this debate is over I used YOUR article which stated that IS the practice-to avoid anyone above a score indicating actually "above average". You can't argue with your own article, it's over. They DID say the reason was "to avoid boredom (more common in higher IQs) and thus TURNOVER, but the real reason is obvious and the debate was whether or not the practice existed-it does, the article is valid, quoting a lawsuit and the lawsuit included arguments regarding if the practice (of avoiding above average IQs) was Constitutional or not-the practice is objectively real and not that it matters, but it was ruled "constitutionally valid". When you lose, LEARN, IMPROVE your knowledge, and MOVE ON being smarter... to grasp at straws and pretend the argument is still going on; that you haven't lost is idiotic and indicative of a low self esteem.

[Fearless_banana]

@feminismisnarcissism Me linking you that article proved my point entirely. I have mentioned this several times now. You have negated the fact that it states 104 which is slightly above average and dismissed that for everything else My question stills holds.. since when is slightly above average considered a bonehead? Your interpretation of it is irrelevant. It says slightly above average.

[Fearless_banana]

Following up on your introductory claim of them being cowardly. How else would I describe something so subjective and insubstantial like the word cowardly. There is no solidifying facts that can back up that word other than the definition itself. To describe that within the context of the discussion I need to make that word applicable to the situation. You deem this as fallacy.

I mean even the definition in itself works against what you are saying. A coward is person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things. It's almost intrinsic in correlation to Law Enforcement. Law Enforcement officers are pretty much in the essence of performing a job that is that involves danger and unpleasantry.

[Fearless_banana]

www.wilderdom.com/.../IQWhatScoresMean.html

If you are consistent with your theory then you are saying that 50% of the population that fulfill other careers are below you as well?

Real estate agents also qualify into the average IQ range, but let's stereotype for a minute. Are you going to say that realtors are all committing foreclosure and home-equity fraud? There are an estimated 2 million realtors in the U. S. alone. Are all realtors frauds?

www.eastbaytimes.com/.../los-altos-hills-lathrop-real-estate-agent-arrested_

[Fearless_banana]

Social workers fall in the average IQ range as well.
One small town in Connecticut won a case that shouldn’t of been won. This isn’t the first time a the US Justice System has failed us. Look at these cases just from 2013.
www.alternet.org/10-most-appalling-failures-american-justice-system-year

There 642,000 estimated social workers in the US. Are all social workers committing health care fraud?
(https://www. justice. gov/usao-mdla/pr/licensed-clinical-social-worker-sentenced-prison-health-care-fraud-0)

[Fearless_banana]

If you don’t believe in this then that concludes the fact that there is personal bias interfering with your judgement because if there was no personal bias there would be consistency and you would have to deem all of the above true. Why is it that you wouldn’t believe in these when there are articles clearly indicating wrongful behavior when you are stereotyping all of law enforcement.

Almost all agencies from the orange county, CA area carry a requirement of a bachelors degree or military service. There is also a lot of dispute going on with agencies discriminating against military service.

https://i.imgur.com/HfIeM2w.png

Are these officers that graduated with a bachelor's degree dumbasses as well?

[Fearless_banana]

There are 17,985 state and local law enforcement agencies with at least one full-time officer or the equivalent in part-time officers, including: 12,501 local police departments. 3,063 sheriffs' offices. 50 primary state law enforcement agencies

You are taking one unfortunate failure of the justice system and deeming it applicable to the rest of the 17,984 agencies to fit your narrative.

[Fearless_banana]

Having the advantage is a given as a police officer. You have a sam brown belt with it attached are weapons designed for cessation used against individuals who are combative. On top of this they carry a radio in which they can dispatch back up at anytime. This isn't America 1875 and you are not in a John Wayne movie in which having a stand off duel makes you a man. There is no false pretense masculinity code when you are dealing with citizens that are combative. The goal is to subdue them with the least amount of resistance possible to avoid bloodshed. That is ridiculous that you would even bring that into play and makes me question your rationale on this whole subject. No rational person would think like that.

[feminismisnarcissism]

you follow the state narrative. I follow my own. nuff said.

[Fearless_banana]

@feminismisnarcissism Lol.. Really? You can't even respond so that's you're go-to? That response doesn't even mean anything lol. You are failing to address any points that I have just made. All you did was throw derogatory remarks at me that had no bearing. Then you attempted to shut me down by overemphasizing your masculinity in a condescending manner. You are pretty much saying You're a man and I'm a insecure child with no foundational basis. Throwing derogatory remarks in attempt to make people do what you want to do is not masculine. Men don't need to put others down in attempt gain control of situations. Not very alpha sir.

[feminismisnarcissism]

but... that's exactly contradictory to what cops do, so you just defeated that sub-argument of your own, yet again.

And no I didn't put you down and I don't appreciate the strawman. I said you parrot the state, that's not a noble thing, but it's not a put down, it simply means spare me the rhetoric I can get from the government and you're right-an alpha man doesn't kowtow to the state, he forms his own ideas. So if you have any of your own, by all means, let's have them.

[Fearless_banana]

@feminismisnarcissism Can you explain to me how that is contradicting because you failed to do so just before. All you did was argue with emotion. You subconscienly used tactics that you are used to attempting to gain control of a situation. Calling someone childlike and insecure in the middle of a debate is completely out of context. You resort to emotional manipulation when you can't get your way. This says a lot about your character. If you look domineering in your appearance as a man then weaker women will follow that blindly and think you are 'alpha'. A woman with some intelligence and self respect would never put up with that. I don't think you could handle a stronger woman. If you need a weaker woman to feel masculine and alpha then that really destroys any prior notion that you were alpha in the first place. I personally don't think you are smart enough to challenge me tbh but you are welcome to try again.

[Fearless_banana]

A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent

Yes I just laid down factual information and you decided to not respond directly to literally any of the points I made. You respknow need with..

you follow the state narrative. I follow my own. nuff said.

That is definition of strawman theory. You claimed fallacy when I couldn't for the sole reason of me explaining to you why police officers are not cowards. There is no factual a ground in which I can explain something like that other then the definition which works against you as well.

[Fearless_banana]

You responded* with

[feminismisnarcissism]

lol dude, you take 20 minutes to post-by then I've forgotten all about it. And now I"m sorry, but I stopped reading when you suggested I'm "domineering" to pick up chicks on this site... very hilarious, but not worthy of a rebuttal. Cops are cowards with guns, get over it.

And i don't really care what you call yourself... but if you don't get any pussy, you're a beta-and by choice.

[feminismisnarcissism]

I'd also mention-it was obvious part of that 20 minutes was studying up on the strawman fallacy. Typical bullshit-if you hear something you don't know-just ask man, you don't have to google and pretend you knew. We're all each other's teachers.

[Fearless_banana]

@feminismisnarcissism I never referred to picking up chicks on this website. It's interesting that you read it that way though.

See I gave you two ways to respond to me right there. I brought in the option to reground yourself in the discussion we were having. I also offered you another route which is the emotional route which you took to defend yourself and evade. That's not coincidental. I'm three steps ahead of you boyo. I'm playing chess. You're playing checkers.

Not worthy of a rebuttal. Lol cmon man that's bullshit and everyone getting notifications in this discussion knows it. You're acting very passive aggressive now. So when you are challenged you resort to evasion lol. Why is it your can't respond to the points I've made pertaining to the discussion? Sounds like 'fallacy' to me.

I can spot a fake a mile a way and you have proven yourself to be full of shit throughout the entirety of this conversation. I don't think you are alpha at all.

[Fearless_banana]

@feminismisnarcissism Why don't you respond to the points I've made? I've debated at my college and I didn't need to need to look up strawman theory. Im very familiar with it. You are using it right now since you can't respond directly to any of the points I made.

[feminismisnarcissism]

actually I'm not. A strawman is when I just invent what you said, create an easier point to argue against and suggest (usually implicitly) that this was your argument instead of what it really was. So-now we see, you DON'T know what a strawman fallacy is. Avoidance IS fallacy but you did start out with one yourself-an ad hom, that bullshit about domineering, so I quit reading at that point-that's on you. YOu COULD argue a fallacy as i DID avoid (but only due to you opening with a fallacy) but no way was it a strawman on my part as I didn't claim your argument was something else-I ignored it (as you said yourself) completely.

[feminismisnarcissism]

and you still haven't addressed any of my original points so now I will use a NEW fallacy to respond: "And your lynching negros" lol (to a person UNfamiliar with debate as you clearly ARE, that's a form of "tu quoque"

[Fearless_banana]

@feminismisnarcissism what I've listed is the formal definition and your definition could be interpeted into the formal definition. You're just using different words.

You claimed I was using fallacy when I described how police officers are not cowards. As I've mentioned there are no other ways to explain something like a coward on factual grounds other then the definition. I attempted to give you a scenario in which you could get a grasp or perception on the point I was trying to convey. It seems as if you just learned a new word and are overusing it.

Why is it you can't recognize any of the points I've made? You're attempting to turn this into another argument. I just want one logical direct response to the points j listed out to you. You can't seem to give me on response pertaining to them. You're evading.

[Fearless_banana]

@feminismisnarcissism Lol you can't be serious. I laid out everything for you on factual grounds to see if you are consistent in your theory. You can't give me a direct response for a reason.

[feminismisnarcissism]

dont open with an ad hom, if you want the rest read. And now you're using a strawman again, claiming the fallacy I accused you of regarding cops being cowards-no it regarded you claiming i'm trying to pick up women here. You are really not using anything BUT fallacies and your posts are way too long to expect me to keep reading when the first 50 words are ONLY a fallacy as shown, now again. Meanwhile, I'm texting 5 women and you're distracting me. I'm getting pretty bored-if you have any points, put them at the TOP not the bottom underneath a pile of SHIT fallacies-when I dont read them or respond to anything valuable that's due to your choice to place the hypothetical valuable at the bottom, which I'll never get to if it's all ad homs and strawmen on top. your bad, homie

[Fearless_banana]

@feminismisnarcissism Strong everything lol. You totally didn't attempt to evade and change the subject into a debate of fallacy. You totally responded the factual points I made. You're right..

I mean dude you literally took what I said and completely negated it. I pulled numbers and sources to put things in a factual perspective. You read it and gave me some open ended answer that has no direct correlation to anything I said. Cmon man don't you think is a bit ironic?

[Fearless_banana]

@feminismisnarcissism There you are overcompensating lol. You just had to tel me you are texting five women. You feel defeated right now lol otherwise you wouldn't need to overcompensate and state how masculine you are about how you are texting 5 women. That's completely out of context. That's not bringing you any redemption right now.

[feminismisnarcissism]

you told me how many cops there are-that only shows there's a lot of cops, it didn't prove anything about your points. and once again i saw nothing of value in this post, just a rewriting of history.

[Fearless_banana]

@feminismisnarcissism I actually didn't just tell you how many cops there are. You should scroll up and read the surrounding context and answer those hard questions j threw at you instead of completely evading them.

[feminismisnarcissism]

should I? lol I don't really give a fuck about cops at this point-they're still cowards with a license to murder citizens. And why don't you address that point - by showing me where some cops actually got CONVICTED and SENTENCED for their crimes, then we'd be BACK on the issue, but I'm not interested in the red herring that I rightfully "evaded" and that's what it was because cops are THUGS today and nothing fancier. That's why they hardly murder ANYONE anywhere else except here.

[Fearless_banana]

@feminismisnarcissism No that's not it either. Not at all actually. I would suggest you read the surrounding context and answer those hard questions I threw at you.

Why is that you don't give a fuck all of a sudden? I mean you seemed so down before.

[feminismisnarcissism]

i do have one more thought on the issue though... before I go back to relationships and penis questions... you're still a common bootlicker to even HOLD your position, nothing changes that...

[Fearless_banana]

@feminismisnarcissism There you are again. i mean when did we even mention that cops were murders lol. I schooled you in your IQ theory. Murders was never brought up 😂 That's a whole other debate entirely and I'm sure I can school you on that as well. You're running out of places to run. Pretty much you're at the point where you are just spewing anything. whats next boyo?"I'm right you're wrong?"

[feminismisnarcissism]

sorry dude, you've moved the cheese so many times I think you must be a mouse. SO my original point STANDS. now it's over, go home and get laid... I think you need it ;)

[feminismisnarcissism]

cops are cowards, case closed.

[Fearless_banana]

@feminismisnarcissism Negative. You responded with cops are stupid and I proved you wrong. Instead of responding to that you changed the subject.

You must get a lot pussy man. Totally admiring that. Totally don't think you're over compensating your masculinity because you feel defeated. You telling me how much pussy you get for 2nd time out of context in a debate is impressive.

[feminismisnarcissism]

postive. cowards dude, 6 against one on homeless people... you can't argue with that, your mistake.

[Fearless_banana]

So I was corrext in my assumption when I said your next response will be "im right you're wrong" lol. Cmon dude you're just letting rag doll you here

[Fearless_banana]

@feminismisnarcissism Remind me how this is relevant to IQ? You are just monkey branching anywhere now boyo.

[Fearless_banana]

You're taking one case to fit your narrative when I could look at it from a whole perspective with stastically data and prove to you that cops are not executing people randomly out of malice. But over that you are just trying to divert the subject because you can't respond to my response on your IQ theory directly.

[Fearless_banana]

I'm not changing the subject.. You have just attempted to change several times in the past couple minutes. I'd absolutely love for you to respond to the IQ theory. You seemed to of just let that one go for some strange reason.

[FullOfMyself]

The men you're looking for probably aren't interested in dating women like you. Dominant men like submissive women.

[FakeName123]

Why? "I am a woman with a naturally dominant personality"

Why would a dominant guy try to make a dominant woman turn different? It's pointless.

[Asker]

Never said I wanted to be different.

[FakeName123]

Then don't complain when dominant guys don't want to deal with you. Guys like it to be chill. Having two dominant people in a household doesn't mean it will be chill - but it means there will be struggle for power in one way or another.

[breathofreshair]

how would you work with a dominant man? you'll fight him

i think a beta, passive guy is best for you

[Asker]

I see your point but I honestly cannot stand a man who bows down to me, which have been a high proportion of the men I've dated. I don't want to fight but I don't want someone who will just blindly agree to anything.

[HulkkSmash]

No alpha will go through the trouble to sleep with a dominant women. Only betas will put up with your behavior

[feminismisnarcissism]

exactly what I said. "alpha" women tend to be HIGH maintenance, BUKU high and unless the sex is fabulous, they ain't worth a second look.

[Asker]

@feminismisnarcissism that's not very nice. So only beta women are worth the trouble? Sounds like you both aim too low.

[HulkkSmash]

Being alpha isn't normally feminine. Just like being beta isn't normally masculine. I prefer my women submissive.

[feminismisnarcissism]

wait... no no, I'll sleep with them, but I won't stick around long as within a few weeks they always start bullshit.

[Anonymous]

you are perverted. so perverte things happen in your life. the law of causality.

[Asker]

Wtf? Nevermind.

[Anonymous]

Because opposites attract. You have a "naturally dominant personality" and they have a beta submissive personality. Act more beta in order to attract an alpha man.

[cchris989]

The dominant women that I've known in my life where never able to keep a man, and are on there 5 or 6th marriage.

[Cassie93]

You're not a true alpha woman if you need to have a man putting you in your place. You're still beta.

[Anonymous]

"and put me in my place when need be."

So you want someone to play the role of your dad? That's creepy honestly.

[Anonymous]

I don't understand. If you're looking for a guy to put you in your place you sound more like a beta female. An alpha female doesn't want men being above them.

[Cassie93]

This. At least true alphas don't like the idea of others putting them in their place.

[Anonymous]

Those personalities will clash. One has to be the submissive

[dudeman]

dominant men are not attracted to dominate women.