300 opinions shared on Relationships topic. Generally, I think it is true that women are the more pragmatic, but it is not quite a pragmatic/romantic dichotomy. It is more complicated.
Women tend to be verbal. They will express their feelings. When I am upset about something, my girlfriend will hold my hand and tell me that everything will be okay.
By contrast, guys are less verbal. We express how we feel by doing something. So I am the guy who will go out and buy her something or take her somewhere - even if maybe when the budget is a little tight.
So, it ends up that she looks - outwardly - like the more pragmatic person. She'll talk with me and we discuss things. I, on the other hand, go for some grand gesture and it looks romantic.
Actually, it is just about the different ways that men and women express affection - and the way we each respond to the other. When my girlfriend holds my hand and reassures me, I give vent to my feelings. When I show up with some gift my girlfriend will say, "Honey, it's wonderful. That was so sweet, but you know I didn't need that."
The funny part is, this gets turned on its head. When my girlfriend talks to me, it is all about, "Honey. It'll be okay. I love you and we'll always face this together." It's all about the feeling. By contrast, I'll come out with a ten step process to solve the problem. It is all about the logical plan.
So, in truth, there is an element of both in each. No doubt, though, that in practice, the guy ends up being the romantic. The secret for the gals - Pay your s/o a compliment and you'll get a million more miles out of him.10 Reply
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+1 y“Men are romantics pretending to be realists and women are realists pretending to be romantics” is how the quote goes. I think it just means that men are typically logical but when it comes to love, we suddenly become illogical and too caught up in our emotions. As for women, they are typically more involved in the romance genre but when it comes to relationships in real life, they’ll easily get bored or won’t put their full attention into the relationship.
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The women I have met are more romantic than the guy's that I know. Women always are many steps ahead. A man just invites a girl to go swimming at the lake and the girl in her head already has expectations, for example " Oh my, he may like me more than I think! therefore I need to wear this and that, what if he asks me out, what if he kisses me while we are swimming and then he holds my hand... omg this is too much, that would make my heart burst! Is this an official date?". The guy probably is just thinking about going swimming lol Not saying all girls think this way but the girls my brother has hung out with do and I have myself as well lol The most romantic guy I dated would write me poems every Saturday morning and bought me a promise ring lol but In my head I was still way ahead of him, I was just not romantic with him because he didn't want me to be.
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@Chaz269 Truth hurts I guess. I'm just saying what I have seen and what i have experienced. If you don't like it then I don't know what to tell you. Romance is to woo someone. Romantic according to the dictionary , "a feeling of excitement and mystery associated with love." The men would mostly woo the women but most of the women I have met already have their own expectations. Like flowers, kissing the hand, hottub with flower petals and sex. They come up with those ideas and the men I know don't do any of that unless the girl tells them what they want. I never said expectations was the definition of ROMANCE. Romance could also mean "a person with romantic beliefs or attitudes." Expectations means " a belief that someone will or should achieve something." They go hand in hand. You just woke up in a bad mood today. Change my mind.
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I can't change your mind, you're willfully ignorant. Even after checking definitions, you can't admit that your "definition" of romance, which literally includes expectations is WRONG. Romance is about giving. Women don't give. As you pointed out, they EXPECT to receive. Everything is a pragmatic exchange with women, everything. Hence: men are the romantics, the GIVERS. Women are pragmatic, evaluating what they receive and how much before assessing a value for the return. But you're too consumed by greed, selfishness and gender loyalty to admit the truth.
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@Chaz269 When did I say the definition of Romance was expectations lol I just included examples of how women think. If my examples led you to believe that women are not romantic then that's okay. Its your opinion. You just need to chill. This wasn't a post for people to get heated over lol Just for us to give our experiences and opinions. I don't know how what I said could cause someone to get so heated over.
I am not going to vote because the option I'm looking for is not there. I don't want to put a generalization on one gender and leave it at that. Every individual is different and will think and act differently. Because of that, we can't say "women all act like ______", or " men all act like ______". It just depends on the person and who they are; that would be determined by their nature, how they were raised, what environment (s) they interacted with, and conditions put on them by outside forces. There are so many different factors that could affect how a person thinks and acts, that we can't just say that one gender is more romantic than the other (or some generalization like that). Sorry if I didn't directly answer the question you asked; this is my opinion and hope it did help even a little, though.
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Oh, sorry if it seems like I was indirectly claiming that he was generalizing or using absolutes. I didn't consider that my words could imply that idea. My intention was to not defy his point in any way, but only to give a reason for why I did not vote in the poll.
I'm still learning how to write effective and clear English in school; if you do have any tips on how I could more clearly express my idea without chasing any misunderstanding, please do let me know. Also, if you have any specific criticism to offer about what I wrote before, it would be great for me to know as well. I would appreciate help very much from an experienced person like yourself. Cheers!
it depends.. a romantic woman might see most men as pragmatic and vice versa. In some cases too much romance ruins it just like a an overly sweet cake. Women are naturally more agreeable and they have to think fast and consider several problems/outcomes at once so they might me more likely to give up romance in favour of stability for example. But most women dream about this ideal romantic situation and sometimes it's enough for them to just visualise it or see it on tv. Whilst men have a "plan" of the way their life must be and they don't rest until they accomplished it. Chances are they don't compromise as much as women. So that's why women might seem more pragmatic.
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+1 yMen are more romantic because they’re expected to be. Women aren’t told to woo men, they’re told how to react to men’s romantic advances.
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Yes true... but I think men just also appreciate women more than women appreciate men because unfortunately we are more replaceable than they are in most cases.
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@VIVANT How would you react to a guy who sent you flowers?
Personally I don’t like flowers. But I’d react positively because it’s socially unacceptable to reject flowers.
Another example is when men propose to women in public. I can’t even imagine the immense pressure they’d feel at being asked for marriage, especially in the cases where she doesn’t want to. What if she says no? Most people would think she’s a bitch. Because it’s socially unacceptable.
When I said “taught” I was referring to the culture and social norms, not that you were directly taught by your parents or teachers. - +1 y
I would say I don’t like flowers bc I don’t like them as a gift and him giving them to me would have nothing to do with me as a person. If he gave me a gift that was not a cliche I’d respond nicely bc it’s like kite but not if I’m being stereotyped. Also people generally are supposed to respond well to gifts whether a woman or man and women give men gifts.
If anyone proposed to anyone woman or man publicly without discussing it that s manipulative and they have every right to say no
So I’m still not sure what you are referring to. - +1 y
Maybe because you haven’t experienced it yourself. Which is obviously a good thing. Where I’m from, women are actually expected to say yes if they‘re proposed in public. If she says no, people will be upset at her. While they recognize that she has 100% the right to say no, it is seen as socially unacceptable. This has nothing to do with rights. :)
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we aren't told, we are freaking wired. as men are wired to love romantically. its weak to blame everything on social conditioning.
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It’s actually weaker to put everything on Biology and evolution, since that is a way to stop analyzing the real origin of our behaviors and keep doing it without a second thought. We as humans are able to change our ways; just because it may be biological (and it is definitely also due to social conditioning) doesn’t mean we aren’t in control of it. However, some behaviors are definitely wired and uncontrollable like socializing and mating.
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everything IS biology. especially if you are a secular believing anything less would be ridiculous. women MUST be opportunists who would only care for the maximization of their offsprings' survival chances. males should only be wired to care for their wife and offsprings. women nurture, men love. aren't there exceptions and perversions to the natural paradigm? of course. but more or less it goes this way. thats why women always managed to move on after a loss or even when an intruder entered a nation etc. its not immoral of women to side with the winning men cause survival is still survival. there are exceptions like the women of Souli, but this requires a great amount of morals and spirituality to overcome your natural wiring. so yeah, it can happen but requires REALLY strong foundations and a source of morality almost neurotic that surpasses your natural tendencies.
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I’m not undermining the biological aspects that come into play. I’m adding to it the social factors, which shouldn’t be ignored either. That’s why in many fields of study, humans are seen as “bio-psycho-social”. The interaction between these three factors are what makes up our behavior. This is also why drug addiction isn’t fully genetic or social.
What I’m saying is, despite it having a biological factor to it, humans learn this behavior by what they see. It’s called social learning. I suggest you look up Bandura’s Social Learning Theory and you’ll understand a bit more.
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+1 yWomen are more realistic- they are much more likely to apply an income filter, for exampe, so I'd agree.
10 ReplyIam pretty sure it's the other way around. Not to generalise
61 ReplyMen are romantic, women are pragmatic. Any argument to the contrary is foolish at best, deceptive at worst.
For starters, look at the THOUSANDS of romantic poems, songs, plays, movies and gestures throughout all of human history. Who created and/or performed 99% of them? MEN, that's who. Women did nothing more than expect. To this day, all women do is EXPECT.
Furthermore, how many men dump their wives or girlfriends for failure to earn and/or contribute to the collective economy? Almost none. Women however, will burn the best man they've ever met because he makes less than her, or nothing at all. Love & romance mean absolutely nothing to women. If you aren't making loot, you may as well drink a gallon of bleach, cuz you ain't shit in every woman's eyes. That's a fact. Now watch all the pinks click thumbs down like it's going out of style, but I guarantee none produce any resources that defy the truth. Women know nothing of romance, let alone love. It's all a fantastic manipulation for them. Nothing more, nothing less.12 Reply- 901 opinions shared on Relationships topic.
+1 yI disagree, that's not to say that men don't think positively about it but I think that's because they are not romantics. Women are taught that love and relationships function a certain way, in very unrealistic ways to be precise, so they are always disappointed but men are taught that relationships are hard and require work and sacrifice but will ultimately be a positive gain. So I think women desire romance significantly more then men but because they have unrealistic expectations they are let down more, while men do not have much in the way of romance (they tend to be happy with the small things and are more focused on happiness in general then particular acts of romance) they also are not as phased when things don't go just so because they are taught that this will happen and are able to anticipate these issues and learn to deal with them better.
20 Reply Both men and women are more romantic but from my experience i'd like to say women are a little more so.
I wrote my boyfriend 2 love letters and i always leave lipstick kiss mark at the end of them and spray them with my perfume and he loves every bit of it. I've mailed him a whole box of his favourite snacks and got him a real leather wallet for his birthday because i noticed his was getting pretty worn. Not to mention that i tell him i love him every day and that he is truly the only man i've ever loved.
My boyfriend has shown me many lovely romantic gestures. he's written me several poems and mailed me fun box of goodies and a love letter. He always says the sweetest words and brightens my day.20 Reply
+1 yAbsolutely. Being a straight male and broke in today's society sucks. For all this talk of equality (and I am a proud feminist and egalitarian) women aren't exactly bending over backwards to take me out to dinners or buy me a house and take care of me forever. I absolutely adored my ex, but she was married to a very wealthy man before me, and after 3 years I hadn't been able to earn close to the lifestyle she lived before, and she began to create situations to get over me until she did. Simply because she was scared I'd never make enough- even though with her love and support eventually I would have. And this is not the first time a "sweet girl who doesn't care about money or status" dumped me over money and status.
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+1 ywomen only think are romantic, we are more cynical even me as a song writer and poet. men invented civilization and poems etc to praise us and pedestalised us like silly boys. to be frank i have a friend who is not over his ex who dumped him for 5 years now. i have no female friend that went through something similar.
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Cuz we men are expendable. Much like the sperm and the egg. Many of us will die and be forgotten, and only the one who gets in her mind is who she will remember.
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Wow never though a women would say that props maybe if I meet a women like you I’ll turn away from being MGTOW
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Are you sure he's a man? I've never met a guy like that.
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@1nittol3arn i've met more guys than him, but he is my closest example.
+1 yI think there is no generalisation. In today’s world it all depends on the individual given the freedom we have to express ourselves.
Historically women weren’t allowed to work, study, and were expected to stay at home and cook, clean etc and that they needed a man in their lives and so media portrayed women that way which influenced women to act that way.
But things are different now. A woman could want nsa and a man a romantic relationship whereas about 40 years ago that frowned upon33 Reply- +1 y
And the independence has made romantic relationships less realistic for most men. Many men don't have the same "provider" role nowadays because she provided for herself. Which makes him lose a sense of purpose.
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@inmensus its a fact. You can think its lame all you want but the way gender roles have been destroyed has permanently altered long term relationships. Women want the freedom to cherry pick what aspect of "being a man" they employ whike shaming men for being less masculine nowadays. its bullshit.
I've met both men who are really romantic and those who aren't. Sometimes you can miss more subtle romance if you are sort of a traditional romantic. I personally love more creative, subtle gestures and probably the most meaningful are the ones I discover that might've gone unnoticed had I not been paying attention.
30 Reply740 opinions shared on Relationships topic. I don’t think anyone is inherently more romantic.
I think that there’s intense societal pressure on men to be romantic because it’s supposed to show that they’re not just after sex. Even when they’re performing “romantic” grand gestures solely to get sex.20 Reply
+1 yI think men are pragmatic, and women are romantic. Why do you think men are more often considered heartless and women are considered caring. Granted these are generalisations but still these are my thoughts. Obviously it is a spectrum though and we can fall anywhere on that spectrum.
10 ReplyErm, I think men actually ARE more romantically interested than women nowadays, mainly because we struggle more with jealousy popping up, its instinct really, your mate is being encroached upon possibly by another male, and you don't trust them because you know their base instincts in a relationship/sexual sense, so less "romance" more romance out of naturally being possessive
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+1 yI voted B disagree but I dont think it’s gender specific. women want attention. Sometimes the easiest way is to want romance. But alternatively, many guys will try to score/land/get with a woman by showing her romance. Not because he’s romantic but because he thinks that’s the best way to get her attention.
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+1 yMen are much more romantic than women. Look at the questions "What is the most romantic thing a woman has done for you" and it's all normal things like making a meal or something. Then look at what men do. Women love receiving romance while men like to give it.
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Normal things? As in what’s she’s expected to do? What do men do? Flowers on Hallmark holidays? I’m not being sarcastic, I’m truly interested in what things men do that they classify as romantic... please advise
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@Mickey9999 propose for marriage, initiate dates, chivalry, look on YouTube and other websites that men do for their women. Now look at what women do. Women like receiving romance not giving it.
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But isn’t that societal roles? And technically, how many men continue that role after marriage or after moving in? And you didn’t answer what romantic gestures do men want?
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@Mickey9999 we don't necessarily care, because we don't expect it
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Right but it’s not you’re gonna want or enjoy the same. Say for instance flowers. Probably why the guy was so surprised when i gave gifts.
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@Mickey9999 Guys are surprised because I'll just be 100% honest, men give more romance and gifts for women than women ever do for us. We aren't complaining or asking for anything in return, but when a man really loves a woman he will always do more for her than she does for him.
Both men and women can be romantic. Romanticism is not about gender/sex. Women are not inherently more romantic nor guys. We are all product of our environment, surroundings and circumstances.
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+1 yYou can't say that one gender is more something and that they all act a certain way. It's like Zodiac Signs, how can the date if your birth mean that everyone near your's is meant to act a certain way like all Leo's are rude and all Gemini are sensitive. Because that isn't true. This question is not worded right and it's sexist as for someone to say a man or woman is less capable of acting a certain way because of gender is absurd!!
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The difference is that your date of birth doesn't effect anything, but your gender decides the mix of hormones in you're body, which effect how your brain works.
So no, we can't claim that all people are the same but we can claim that in general.
For instance testosterone increases aggression, men have more testosterone, so men would normally be the more aggressive ones, and in general that is true. - +1 y
Well there is not a poll answer for I don't think either is, depends on the person
Having being in multi open relationship I would give my honest thought here, I am a guy I'm currently 27 and have been dating for approx 4 honest relationships n 2 some how. In all the cases I was more romantic and surprising in terms of making her or hers smile I wound do things like little that would change her hers mood quickly. So im safe to say men are more romantic but most men would not come out very easily they need a jest to open up. If u r a girl n if u r reading this and if u have come across to this line, I have a suggestion for u..
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please giv him a friendship bond more then love bond
Like if he likes to play videos game ask him to teach u how to play.. And see the results.. If he like a certain type of music just ask him to put them to your phone n try to talk about them... 💕💕❤️❤️❤️💞💞romance romance all around 😘 take care00 ReplyBoth are both. I never understand how weird and nonsensical these false stereotypes can get. They say men are more into "sex" while woman more into "romance" or "love". Well all of those characteristics fall under "romance". Anyone can be one or more of those things.
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+1 yThere is a general idea that woman are more emotional than logical, and I call BS. There is no one more logical than a woman who has discovered what she wants.
30 ReplyI feel like since women are more emotional (this is a fact not just a statement), we are certainly proned to be the more romantic one
41 ReplyLots of women look for sex, men looking for more. Specially as they age and lose a little more sex drive. Ctfu they're more lovers and loyal than most women.
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+1 yIt's like... I love the romance and all... but I don't know if I do the romance... It's usually him who does the romance :p
20 Reply794 opinions shared on Relationships topic. It entirely depends on the individual. Id say more women are romantic when it comes to anniversaries and dates though
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+1 yTBh men it depends my boyfriend is more romantic than i am but am was more romantic then my ex. Swings and runabouts
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I think men love deeper because they appreciate a woman more than she appreciates him cause he can just easily be discarded.
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@redrocket68 As i said it depends on the man. I have many men use me for their own needs you the old woman complaint about men, unfortunately it is a reality. But on the other hand my current boyfriend is really romantic and i love him for it. This isn't a man or woman thing as it an individual thing.
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Ehhh yeah it varies with each individual but... culture and upbringing affect it the most.
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@redrocket68 Well if that is what your going by then woman are brought up believing they get their prince charming that will sweep them off there feet. Men are taught there emotion's don't matter so if that is the case i don't understand how you came to this opinion.
They are too realistic. Especially indian women. I think it's necessary for keeping the relationship in the reality zone instead of both of them dreaming stupidly.
10 ReplyI'd say men are more pragmatic. I think women desire romance more but tend not to come through with it as often. They'd rather be on the receiving end of romantic gestures
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+1 yMen are the ones being more romantic. Women are the ones sitting there expecting it but doing very little to show they care about the man.
20 ReplyI think men really do a lot of romantic things. It's just women watch chick flicks that raise standards for men to be unattainable
20 Reply778 opinions shared on Relationships topic. I think it really depends on the person - o definitely know my share of pragmatic in love women.
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+1 yIn my experience, I've always been the most romantic person in relationship dynamics.
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+1 yI think that married men are more romantic while married women are not but before marriage women tend to want more of that.
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+1 yI'm definitely more romantic than some women. But there's more women that are more romantic. I feel It depends on the person themselves. It could go either way.
10 Reply482 opinions shared on Relationships topic. idfk but all I think about the topic is that romance is gay af
30 ReplyIt's different for everyone. Some girls are very romantic and some men are
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+1 yIf men were romantic I’d have guys at my door sending me roses and singing outside my bedroom window
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You’re doing if for the wrong girls.. @ MLG
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I’m not hinting anything. I’m just saying he’s doing it for the wrong girls
No lol, because women constantly complain about men that only want sex. We are more often the realists. That being said, romance is almost always appreciated by women when it comes to sex.
00 ReplyI’d love a romantic boyfriend that I could be romantic with, but that isn’t reality for me. I went through domestic violence and I don’t see romance as real anymore, this turned me into a realsit
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+1 yI think it depends more on people's personality and age. Younger people tend to be more romantic (both genders). Ageing makes (most) people more pragmatic.
Being pragmatic =/= unable to love00 Reply- 1.4K opinions shared on Relationships topic.
+1 yWomen I know (including myself) are more pragmatic than guys.
20 Reply I know that for my relationship it's that way
he's always trying for romance23 Reply- 1.7K opinions shared on Relationships topic.
+1 yI agree, men are more romantic than women and less pragmatic. (Please explain)
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I really like your explanation Weeb good job
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Thank you
+1 yI think that it depends on The person... They're persons that are more romantic than others... The gender does'nt affect how romantic you are..
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+1 yDepends on the person.
A man can either be romantic or realist just like a woman can be romantic or realist.10 Reply 764 opinions shared on Relationships topic. Women are generally more in tune with their emotions than their male counterparts. This allows them to be more romantic.
10 ReplyIf a girl is in Love they do some sweet things in there free time^^
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+1 yFocus to be an ALPHA male then she will try to be romantic for you.
10 ReplyWomen are more romantic because they are the portion of us dominated by emotion amd estrogen.
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+1 yMen give women take. All men need to go MGTOW and learn the truth about women’s hypergamis nature.
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+1 yNeither. Hollywood says women, but real life says plenty for both genders.
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+1 yi don't think we ca apply a single characteristic in this way to all people of a sex
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+1 yRomantic - Realistic. Both is separated from each other.
One is calculation.
One is manipulation.
(the trouble is: which one?)00 Reply
+1 yNO men are not more ROMANTIC... WOMEN are... Men act ROMANTIC because they know... women want and like that... they themselves are not... but doing it for u..
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Yup this is true
Well if we were taking the stereotyphical way of thinking then men are realist and women are romantics. But
10 ReplyMen do more things in a relationship and dont expect things back and they dont
10 ReplyI agree, men are more romantic than women and less pragmatic. (Please explain)
10 ReplyGuys have trouble getting women out of our heads. Its a natural thing.
10 ReplyDon't know about these other guys but i am a true romantic.
10 ReplyI don't want to assign roles for gender. by I am a romantic. And proud of it
00 Reply992 opinions shared on Relationships topic. Men are definitely more romantic than women.
50 ReplyI think neither is true.
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