Would you disown your daughter if she dated a black guy?

[Physics-Man]

I never stated my opinion on the matter. I'm just asking a question.

If you don't have a daughter, let's just say if you did.

This question was inspired by these articles:

https://rollingout.com/2016/02/21/white-father-threatens-to-disown-teen-daughter-for-dating-a-black-man/

https://www.girltalkhq.com/dad-cut-will-dating-black-guy/

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/teen-fundraises-cut-black-boyfriend-article-1.2945070?outputType=amp

Yes

No

[hellionthesagereborn]

Not because he is black. If he was a thug, absolutely I wouldn't tolerate that, if he was however a good person, was respectful and kind then I would have no issue with it. I mean if you have a Thomas sowell or Larry Elder type guy dating your daughter, well that's a good thing they are both successful and intelligent men with no criminal record so that should be the ideal. The fact that they are black is not relevant.

[RolandCuthbert]

Haha! So if he was "White" and a thug, it would be okay.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@RolandCuthbert No, that's stupid, you are stupid. I said I would not disown her for him being black I would if he was a thug, that at no point suggests an exception to the rule. Not every one is like you, not every one gives a shit about race (I'm sure you would disown your child for dating a white person (because you know, your racist)), some people care about things that actually have an impact, like character. I just pointed to two very successful black men whom I stated would absolutely be ideal people for my offspring to date (ignoring the age gap obviously), so how the fuck do you come to the conclusion that this is race based? Seriously, that's moronic stop projecting your feelings on others.

[Physics-Man]

@hellionthesagereborn

The dude's a fucking moron. He talks about topics which were never referenced or talked about consistently. He has a tendency to forget information or overlook it, or maybe he has some sort of short-term memory loss due to his age or some underlying condition. Anyway, watch out for him making you go round in circles and taking you on a wild goose chase because of it.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Oh I know, he is a racist and a moron. He makes things up, starts arguiments with people but the argument has nothing to do with what the person actually was talking about (its like your having two different conversations with him). I'm well aware (sadly) of what he does. He then proceeds to call every one else racist after he mouths off and makes racist statements (all while claiming race doesn't exist (it doesn't exist as many claim it does, but it does still exist (we can genetically determine race (but again, its more complicated then either side of the argument wants to believe). He is just racist asshole who starts shit with every one. Perfect example of the dunning Krueger effect.

[hellionthesagereborn]

I've had more then one run in with him so I'm aware, I just can't let a stupid comment go (personal flaw I guess).

[Physics-Man]

What happened to the Mary Turner story? It was here but now it's not?

[RolandCuthbert]

So I care about race. . . by not caring about race? You racist freakshows are insane. The question would never pass my lips. The only thing I would care about is if he was good human being. Was he educated. Was he good to her. Was he hard working.

You insane crazed racist fruitcakes run to nutty racist stereotypes then claim you are not racist. African American Culture is not something share among all "Black" people. "Black" people are all over the world participating in cultures that vastly different than anything in America. My niece is married to a young man from Togo. It is beyond stupid to claim he knows a thing about African-American beyond what he was exposed once he came to American. His native culture is that of the Ewe.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@RolandCuthbert You don't care about race? But you bring up race at every opportunity, make racist remarks all the time, try to find racism where it doesn't exist etc. etc. etc? That's kind of the exact opposite of not caring about race. You do care about it, your in fact obsessed with it. Why do you think you brought up race in a comment that explicitly stated race doesn't matter? Because your obsessed with race and your obsessed with being a victim. I don't know why you would lie about it, its painfully obvious to all people that your obsessed with race, that your a racist, and that your desperate to be a victim.

I mean, if their is no race how could some one be racist? You accuse every one of racism yet your the one making racist statements. No one said anything about black culture, the only one who brought that up is you. Are you suggesting that only blacks can be thugs? Well of course you are because when I said I would disapprove of a thug you presumed I was only referring to blacks. That means you, yes YOU, think of black people when you think of thugs. I on the other hand think of people who try to glorify gang culture, and criminality. You can have Asian thugs, white thugs, indian thugs (in fact the name thug is derived from hindi), black thugs, Hispanic thugs and any other group you can think of. Your the only one who thinks that only black people can be thugs. So yeah, your pretty racist.

Also yes black people exist in Africa too, whats your point? African immigrants are not part of this topic, black culture was not part of the topic. I even pointed to two very educated and successful blackmen who would be perfectly good choices for a husband/boyfriend for my hypothetical daughter. Again, who is treating blacks as a (negative) monolith here, me or you? The answer is you, your the racist, always have been always will be.

[RolandCuthbert]

No racist freakshow, I don't care about race. I just respond to you. My daughter would come to me, my question would never be about her boyfriend's skin color. But I would want to know his culture. Because cultures interests me immensely. When we met, I didn't care anything about you race, skin color or anything like that. It was you who stereotyped and ridiculed on the basis of race. I attempted to try to show you that race was a lie and not real. And because I believe race is not real, you call me a racist. Now you found your friend, who has stated quite clearly that the "Black" race is inferior and that race is real.

Somehow he is not a "White" supremacist fruitcake like you. Somehow, he belief in race is non-belief in race.

That's how insane, irrational, nutso, and backwards you are.

All it takes is belief for racism to murder, kill, rob, rape, and torture. Racist operate in the realm of fantasy not in the world of fact. Mary Turner may not have believed in race or in her race's inferiority, that did not stop a mob of racists from stripping her naked, hanging her upside down, burning her body and carving her undead child from her womb. Racial beliefs are just that strong. Your demented thinking will kill and kill violently. . . then excuse your actions are being logical and reasonable.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@RolandCuthbert Yeah, keep talking about race and judging people on their race while proclaiming that you don't acknowledge race, maybe one of us might even start believing you (but not likely).

[RolandCuthbert]

Just want to show you something you will never see at your "White" supremacist fruitcake sites.

We know how to do dna testing. So again, tell us what is the percentage cut off for being "Black" or "White. How much DNA must be from the sub-Sahara. . . I guess that is the region you are calling "Black"? And how much has to be from Europe to be called "White"? Give us that objective breakdown. And show us how you make sure your insane crazed racism knows who to be racist against.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@RolandCuthbert Who the FUCK ARE YOU TALKING TO? I never once brought up culture, you did. I never once brought up genetics or race, YOU DID! SO WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING TO? Like I said before its like we are having two completely different conversations. I stated that I would not disown my daughter for dating a thug not a black man, you then come in screaming that their isn't one black culture, that Africans are black and race doesn't exist. These are two very different conversations (and I pointed out that this is what you do but clearly you don't listen). So who the fuck are you talking to? Where in my statements did I ever mention any of the bullshit your talking about? Seriously, you need to see a doctor because you clearly have some serious mental issues.

[RolandCuthbert]

"Yeah, keep talking about race and judging people on their race while proclaiming that you don't acknowledge race, maybe one of us might even start believing you (but not likely). "

Crazy racist, I don't acknowledge anyone's race. Much less judge them on their make-believe race. I only acknowledge racism. Your insane racist fruitcake "White" supremacist buddy claims the "White" race exists. I have told you and I have told him, the only "White" people who exist are the ones who think they are "White". I will say it a thousand times if I must.

THERE IS NO OBJECTIVE GENETIC DESCRIPTION OF A "WHITE" PERSON.

That designation is social only. It is merely a subjective opinion not based on science.

If that is recognition of race, then you are just as insane as your buddy.

[RolandCuthbert]

I am talking you, you fruitcake "White supremacist insano.

I am showing you that African-Americans have significant European DNA. I am showing you there is no scientific basis for race. I am showing you that race is a lie. Your analysis based upon it is a lie. To claim that you need to know the race of your daughter's dating partner, to determine what crazed insane racist stereotypes you will assign to him is a lie.

You are a liar.

Where did you buddy go?

Hey @Physics-Man, what happened? Let's all get together and discuss this like men. Let's clear this all up and make sure we know where all stand.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@RolandCuthbert Again, NO ONE HAS MADE ANY STATEMENT SAYING OTHERWISE! NO SHIT THEY HAVE EUROPEAN DNA! YOU LIVE IN A FUCKING COUNTRY WITH MIXED GROUPS YOUR GOING TO HAVE CROSS OVER ITS FUCKING INEVITABLE! SO WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU? YOUR ARGUING BUT ITS NOT EVEN RELATED TO WHAT ANY ONE HAS SAID! THATS WHY WE BOTH AGREED YOUR A FUCKING RACIST MORON! JESUS FUCKING CHRIST MAN! AT LEAST ACT SOME WHAT SANE!

[RolandCuthbert]

Then why do I have to keep telling you crazed racist freakshows this. How many posts and threads do I have to create.

Byron Beckwith did not wait for a DNA test on Medger Evers before he killed him. The lynch

[RolandCuthbert]

mob that killed Mary Turner, didn't care what percentage of European DNA she or her baby had. They had in their minds the fixed pure image of "Whiteness". I did not create this stupid game of racism, you insane nutso "White" supremacist fruitcake. I just know its rules.

Your best friend here, @Physics-Man ran to the hills. And I don't know why you think your brand of fruitcake racism is somehow less offensive. There is no doubt you and he are in agreement. It would be less offensive if you stopped pretending.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@RolandCuthbert What the fuck is wrong with you? What about all the whites killed by blacks? They didn't give a fuck about that either when they scream out about how evil whites are? You don't give a fuck either? Again, this is pointless, your a moron,, I've never made any argument about this EVER. I'm fully aware that their is intermixing, I'm fully aware of cultural differences (that's why native born blacks are far more likely to commit hate crimes and violent crime in general and non native born blacks i. e. African immigrants have nearly no criminal background nor do they commit hate crimes or claim to be oppressed. Cultural differences, I have argued them many times.). So why the fuck bring it up? Why bring up a lynching that occurred in 19 mother fucking 18? What the fuck kind of stupid are you? Stop commenting, your a moron who is arguing shit that no one is saying and isn't relevant while spouting off racist bullshit (attacking non whites and proclaiming that all of us are racist and your oppressed because of skin color) while proclaiming your not racist. Your a hypocrite and an idiot. Please stop your embarrassing yourself and proving my points every time you comment.

[RolandCuthbert]

"What about all the whites killed by blacks? "

CRAZY RACIST INSANE NUTSO "WHITE" SUPREMACIST FRUITCAKE, I NEVER ONCE SAID IT WAS OKAY FOR "BLACKS" TO KILL "WHITES". I NEVER EVEN SEPARATED MYSELF FROM "WHITE" PEOPLE. I ONLY ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR CRAZED INSANE "WHITE" SUPREMACIST RELIGION. I WILL DATE "WHITE" WOMEN, I WILL HAVE "WHITE" FRIENDS, I WILL COUNT THEM AMONG MY LOVED ONES. I WILL EAT WITH THEM, TALK WITH THEM AS I DO WITH "BLACK" AND BROWN AND ORANGE AND PINK.

I WILL SEEK FRIENDSHIP AND LOVE AMONG EVERY COLOR UNDER THE RAINBOW. ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT YOU ARE. BE WHO YOU ARE AND STOP PRETENDING THAT WE ARE ANYTHING ALIKE.

ANTI-RACISM IS NOT THE SAME AS RACISM. IT IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE. IT IS A DISBELIEF IN RACE AND IN RACIAL SUPREMACY. I DON'T BELIEVE IN IT. I DON'T WANT IT. AND EVERYTHING I DO IN MY LIFE IS A TESTAMENT TO THAT.

YOUR FRIENDS SPOUT THE MOST VILE, THE MOST HATEFUL RHETORIC EVER UTTERED ON THE PAGES. THAT IS WHO YOU ARE. WHY TRY TO DECEIVE PEOPLE INTO THINKING YOU WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DESTRUCTION OF THE CONCEPT OF RACE?

[hellionthesagereborn]

@RolandCuthbert God your stupid. You did, you did say it was okay by only framing things as if only whites did wrong. You did say it it was okay by spouting your racist rhetoric (your not going out and calling blacks racist, you know that and I know that, you only attack whites). You brought up a bunch of things that happened decades or even CENTURIES AGO, all in an attempt to frame this as if blacks are the ones being targeted when we know for a fact, currently blacks are responsible for almost ALL interracial violence, all interracial rapes, are more then twice as likely to commit hate crimes yet instead of acknowledging this fact and the culture that you yourself endores (the racist one (that's why you constantly attack whites and claim they are racist at every opportunity, try to twist their words to get the result you want (like you did with me, I never once said ANYTHING racist yet you immediately tried to claim I did, brought up things that no one said then said I said it and I was racist as a result. You create racism, period., and proclaim to be a victim of racism as you spew racism at everyone. You are the problem).

[hellionthesagereborn]

@RolandCuthbert I'm not racist, I don't give two fucks about skin color, I care about actions and your actions are racists just as your words are. Your actions are hateful, just like your words are. Your actions are that of a victim, just as your words are. You are the reason the black community in the US (their culture (I know your going to claim racism anyway because that's the only way you can justify your own bigotry)) is so violent, so hateful and falling apart, because you bring up things that happened a century ago, ignore context, ignore your role in your own life, then blame whites even though you claim not to be racist (again, as you blame whites for everything and never hold blacks accountable). I'm done speaking to you, you are broken and no one is going to fix you but you and you don't seem to be inclined to fix it.

[RolandCuthbert]

You are a lying insane nutso "White" supremacist fruitcake. This is history. The history of race is written in blood. It is written in the lynching of Mary Turner, the murder of Medger Evers, MLK Jr., the murder of Emmitt Till. . . etc.

You are like a Nazi sympathizer, going back in history to blame the Jews for the Holocaust.

"Blacks" did not create of race to enslave themselves. They did not create the concept of race to keep the races apart. They didn't create the tge concept of race to murder, to disenfranchise or to deny opportunities. "White" supremacist just like you did. They are ones who insisted there is a concept of pure race and the only pure race in the history of the world were "White" people.

There are many "Whites" who are unlike you. Who are just members of various cultures. There are many "Whites" who want nothing to do with your nonsense. They are blameless.

I only attack "Whites"? You racist freakshow, I attack all racists. And I do not side with "Black" race baiters who claim that we must wage war on the basis of race. Such an idea is absurd seeing that African-Americans have significant European heritage, as I have shown repeatedly. The only thing that remains for us is to destroy this nonsensical concept and start using the real determining factor for human differences. Somehthing called culture.

Culture and race are two totally different concepts. I can participate in many cultures. And the only reason why your brood hates the concept is because you can't pretend that you are some genetic grouping. The lie of race becomes painfully clear.

[RolandCuthbert]

But you are a racist. And not just the good ole' fashioned type. You are a fruitcake insane nutso "White" supremacist. You count those folks among your friends. I don't know where your guy ran to, but that's your buddy. We all know his words. We all know his beliefs. And he has posted these insane fruitcake beliefs for years. I just never had sufficient time to show him how insane he was. All he does is cut and paste from stormfront. I don't know why you guys try to lie and deceive your way to normalcy. Just be who you are. What happened to having pride in "White" supremacy?

Everything you post is nonsensical.

Were the American Indians wrong for having their land stolen, their women raped, and being murdered indiscriminately?

Were the Jews wrong for the Nazi committing genocide against them?

Were "Blacks" wrong because "White" supremacists enslaved, and lynch them?

I am just saying maybe you are little bit crazy "White" supremacist fruitcake.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@RolandCuthbert Okay, you need to fuck off now, I don't have any patience for racists assholes, even less for idiotically stupid racist assholes.

[RolandCuthbert]

Bye "White" supremacist fruitcake. I didn't mean to piss you off. But it is hard to be friendly to a racist. Sometimes, even I don't have the patience or the strength. This week was simply one of those weeks. Perhaps if physic-man didn't cut and paste so much from stormfront, I might have been able to be less confrontational.

But I couldn't do it.

I am sorry. Truly I am.

[Obtuse]

My mother did that to me for dating a black woman in uni (fortunately I already had my own place by then). I would hardly want to do something like that to a daughter of mine. Of course, I want to protect my daughter from the most questionable types, but that's independent of skin color as I see it. If I have a problem with who my daughter is dating, it's not going to revolve around his ethnicity, only his character.

[Apple1996]

My dad always told me to not be fucking nigha dick so yeah since getting told that as a child I know how damaging it can be so no I would never be that way to my kids

[Unit1]

This is why you move out of your parents house and make your own living your top individual survival priority. Remember maslows hierarchy of human needs. Which of these have YOU got? And no, what your parents provide you don't count. They won't live forever either.

[Physics-Man]

I think you answered the wrong question.

[Unit1]

You missed the point of my response.
Me personally I'm childfree and i don't have a girlfriend (and even if had I'd stay low profile for other reasons). I'm giving the perspective of what one can do about it because that's the most important part of knowledge to possess. And even more important is what you do with it.

[Unit1]

Not you as in you in particular but the readers in general should they find themselves under the circumstances.

[Dchrls78104]

There was once a religious leader of Asian descent in my country who publicly said he would disown his daughter if she dated a black guy. I thought he was the epitome of stupid. That's not something I'd disown my child for; besides, I'm a black guy myself so why would I?

[pigoat]

Well damn give your opinion

You scared of backlash or something?

[ZeussLightningBolt]

I don't know if I'd disown her. She's still my daughter, but I certainly wouldn't be very happy about it.

[ChiTown33]

No, he's a black guy. Once she has a kid he'll leave. 😆

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Nope , i would never do that to them if i had kids?

[RolandCuthbert]

Yeah, I wouldn't care if my daughter dated a "Black" guy.

LOLx10!!!

[Physics-Man]

I'm not sure why you always "quote" words.

[RolandCuthbert]

Dude, one day you will learn that race is not real.

I hope I live to see it.

[Physics-Man]

How truly laughable! Race is solidly biological! It looks like you're too thick to accept the brutal reality that your people are inherently intellectually inferior and don't belong anywhere near civilized Societies, save for a few members of your subspecies.

There are plenty of intellectuals who have stated the same. But if course you're going to deny it! Your ex will as well right? Both of you are black and just hate the notion that that you belong to a group of failed people. Your people don't belong anywhere near us. They belong back in Africa.

[Physics-Man]

Read these thorough, meticulous, encompassing, and exhaustively researched books and get back at me. I want you to refute every single citation and reference in them. You have well over a hundred pages worth of it. Your time begins now.

www.amazon.com/.../ref=tmm_pap_title_0

www.amazon.com/.../ref=tmm_pap_title_0

[Physics-Man]

There have been studies showing that the genes responsible for intelligence are in their most favorable combinations within the European and Asian groups. Blacks and mestizos have the poorest combinations of these genes. With time, it's only inevitable that hundreds more will be discovered, and it'll reveal that blacks, on average, are less intelligent than other races.

Once again, this is why you deny it so intensely. You just hate the thought of you belonging to an inferior group of people.

[RolandCuthbert]

You laugh like a person who is not really concerned about reality.

And my people are the people I count among my loved ones and friends. No, there is no real scientific community that supports your concept of race. And a discussion with you will only result in you redefining race every other sentence in a desperate attempt to prove it is real.

And I know I am not a failure. But I guess you think that you are. That's why you attach so much significance to the term. Do you have feelings of low self-worth because you are short? It is because you haven't accomplished anything personally? That's why you have to believe in some master race that you can claim membership in? Dude, even "White" supremacists would reject you. You don't have blue eyes, blonde hair, even your skin color is questionable.

Good luck with that thing.

:D

[RolandCuthbert]

Why would I read stuff that is not peer-reviewed or accepted among the scientific community as worthy of any real scrutiny. I could send you literally thousand of opinions, papers on the deconstruction of race, but you won't believe them. Because they do not comport your political views.

What am I supposed to believe? All of the things I have accomplished, the businesses I have built, the projects I have completed, the places I have visited, relationships I have had. . . or the words of some racist troll who doesn't know me from a hole in the wall?

[RolandCuthbert]

Dude, I don't care what your studies claim about who I am. I know my intellect is far beyond yours. And the only way you can get to my level is to get on some footstool called "race" and pretend you are as smart as me.

[Physics-Man]

You're real funny there dude! As I can recall, Hitler had black hair and brown eyes and a Mediterranean skin tone, and yet white "Supremacists", which I'm not, accept him as white you nimrod.

There indeed are scientific communities which support race. The authors of those books are part of them (take a look at a site called American Renaissance), and yes the citations and references in those books are peer-reviewed. Funny how you won't give them a chance right? You haven't even looked at them! And but of course, I've posted articles and other sources of information, and yet you refused to check them out for the same reasons that they're wrong and don't support your political compass. Pot calling the kettle black? You're not fooling anyone with half a brain with that PC, egalitarian, feel good drivel pushed for purely political reasons. As I can recall back in the middle ages, they did the same with the geocentric view of the universe. With time, we'll see who's right. It's only inevitable. The truth will be known, and we'll all look at how silly we were to distort the truth at the expense of political correctness and not hurting other's feelings.

And oh my gosh! I'm still laughing at your ignorance! Please do tell where exactly I stated that I knew anything about you? You do INDEED belong to a race of failures. But this doesn't mean that every single black person is a failure; I don't know you. Maybe you're smarter than most Ashkenazi Jews. My point being, that you refute race because it hurts your feelings that your people have contributed the least amount to society, culture, technology, and innovation despite them constituting the oldest group of humans on Earth; those fuckers had a head start!

[Physics-Man]

Me being short has nothing to do with anything; I personally don't care at all. And as I can quite well recall, you know little about me. Yes, I've accomplished quite a bit! But how would you know? When did I personally judge you again? It seems you're starting to become senile at age 47 I see? Makes sense how you act like a 15 year old: "LOLX10"

You know what? Just ask for a list of my accomplishments and I'll pull them from my resume.

[Physics-Man]

But fear not, not all black people are as afraid of the light as you are.

www.amren.com/.../

[Physics-Man]

That black man is a member of Mensa by the way.

Henry Harpending and Gregory Cochran who pioneered the "Out of Africa" Theory also make a case for the biological races. In the 10,000 year explosion, they make the compelling case for the argument that the chance that every single group of humans on Earth evolving into a state of absolute equality is insane, noting that the probability of this occuring is as likely as "tossing a handful of silver dollars, and having every single one of them land on its edge." That's nearly impossible. If no group of humans on Earth are equal to each other, then isn't it just common sense that on average, there are going to be groups which are intrinsically better at something than others are?

www.amazon.com/.../ref=tmm_pap_title_0

[RolandCuthbert]

"As I can recall, Hitler had black hair and brown eyes and a Mediterranean skin tone, and yet white "Supremacists", which I'm not, accept him as white you nimrod."

Right. Typically "White" supremacists do not fit their own image of "White" supremacy. It is just a means to make them feel better about themselves. As you have said, it isn't about what your personal traits. It isn't about your personal accomplishments. It is about what you claim your "race" has done. When you look in the mirror, you don't see your actual self. You see some delusion through the prism of that madness.

No, there aren't any "communities" of science that support race. The concept was discarded decades ago. Anthropology is the study of human differences. Genetics is study of genes and the genetic variation within organisms. Neither support your claims. You made up a field of study that does not exist. . . raciology to make nonsensical claims. Genetic classifications of human beings do not comport in any way shape or form to your weird racial groups.

American Renaissance is not a body of scientists. It is a "White" supremacist fruitcake organization.
You keep saying you post scientific articles. How is anything the American renaissance have in any way "scientific". There is nothing there but racist drivel. There is nothing that is the result of scientific experimentation or observation. Everything you have is crockpot and crazy.

You claim that race is the chief determining factor what is a failure or success. Dude, just because you have failed at life does not mean you can skirt around personal responsibility you have for you own failures. You can just smear on the title of master race and make yourself feel ok. You have to do things that make people see you in a different light. That is an individual task. There is no shortcut. It is a process of putting in the work.

[RolandCuthbert]

This is how backwards you are. That "Black" guy, I don't why I would call him "Black" since being "Black" for me would be about culture not race.

1. So lets take this apart. He constantly list negative behaviors that "Black" people engage in. He talks about hip-hop, he talks about rudeness, he talks "White" people being more kind to him than "Black" people. This isn't a scientific experiment. This is all his perception.

2. You claim that race is real and it needs to be factored in when talking about groups of people. In both your opinion and his own "Black" people are a group of failures. So why would he talk about he hasn't experienced "White" racism? Everything that racism has done to "Blacks" would be justified. Including if it has done or will do anything to him. The reason why you think he is acceptable has nothing to do with his skills, his intellect or his abilities. It only has to do with his politics. My ex girlfriend is a microbiologist. She is now giving podcasts on the coronvirus epidemic. She has an IQ of 157. But in order to be acceptable to you, she has to agree her mother, her father, her sisters, brothers, uncles, aunts, schools, pastors, churchs, her community, everything that contributed to making her the brilliant "Black" woman she is, was a failure. She won't do that. In fact, she won't give you time of day. Not because of your race. But because you are a fruitcake racist not worthy of the time spent to even debate you.

[RolandCuthbert]

3. He has no information about "Blacks" in Africa. He doesn't even acknowledge the genetic/cultural differences among African. Much less the genetic/cultural differences between Africans and American "Blacks". We don't even have the same physical characteristics much less the same cultural ones. Then there is the confusion about Arabs. There is no genetic description for any of the "race", you or he think up. There is only your opinion of what they look like. Then he goes on some weird tangent about the race of Ancient Egypt. There is no conclusive study about whether or not Ancient Egyptians met your standard of race. There are only hints about their genetic grouping and whom they have genetic common ground with. Which does not matter to you. Because your racial standard is about skin color. That information comes from what they could scrape together from one analysis at one site in middle Egypt. So from this standpoint he is as confused about genetics as you are.

[RolandCuthbert]

Dude, nothing that "White" supremacists/nationalist do is "compelling". The human race began in Africa.

Read it and weep.

mappingignorance.org/.../MigrationMap-640x437.jpg

[Physics-Man]

Are you retarded? "Compelling"? You're referring to Henry Harpending and Gregory Cochran right? They both pioneered the "out of Africa Theory". They proposed and pushed for it. Where did I say that they didn't? They're not white supremacists either. They're highly respected members of the Anthropological community. They also have attended American Renaissance events and are contributing members.

In their book, which I provided a link to, they argue that race is predominantly a function of biology and much less of culture. And it's how humanity has been constantly evolving as a result of the need for civilization and advanced society. Both are much more qualified on the topic than your "ex" as well. I can tell you're not paying attention or have a poor understanding of what's being transmitted. You're just making me go round-the-merry-go-round and talking about topics which have already been discussed and cleared about. You're making me go in circles dude. We're not getting anywhere and you're not winning any argument, just ignoring it and then returning to it, over and over and over again.

[Physics-Man]

Damn, I think you might have some sort of dementia onset.

"Dude, even "White" supremacists would reject you. You don't have blue eyes, blonde hair, even your skin color is questionable.

Good luck with that thing."

Here you stated that I wouldn't be accepted by white supremacists (which once again I'm not one of, and I've repeated dozens of times, but I'm guessing you're too senile to remember it) because I don't have blond hair or blue eyes.

And then I responded by saying that Hitler (who's the father of white supremacy) had brown eyes and black hair like I do. Proving that you're wrong

Then you go off on a tangent about not fitting into an image of what a white supremacist was and that it's some reflection? When the fuck did that talk about that? Stick to the point we're trying to make. You're inserting other frivolous topics that were never the main issue at hand. I suspect you may have some sort of mental illness. Maybe? The point here is that white supremacists would accept me just like they accepted Hitler you dunce.

[Physics-Man]

American Renaissance isn't white supremacist in the slightest you utter fool. They've never made any claim of wanting to dominate or subvert other groups of people. Find me an article where they say that? They're a group of race realists not unlike the circle of "evil" and "heretical" people within the circles of the likes of Galileo and Copernicus who regarded the Heliocentric concept of the universe as being the correct one.

There are PLENTY of scientists who are members of American Renaissance or who have spoken for them, including:

Douglas Whitman, PhD in evolutionary entomology, UC Berkeley

John Derbyshire, Mathematician and Computer Scientist, University College London

Steven Pinker, PhD in Psychology, Harvard University

Johnathan Haidt, PhD in Psychology, UPenn

Michael H Hart, PhD in Astrohysics, Princeton University

J. Philippe Rushton, PhD in Psychology, University of London

Richard Lynn, PhD in Psychology, King's College, Cambridge

Richard Herrnstein, PhD in Psychology, Harvard

Charles Murray, PhD in Political Science, MIT

James Watson, PhD in Genetics, Indiana University

Michael Levin, PhD in Philosophy, City University of New York

Henry Harpending, PhD in Anthropology, Harvard University

Feeling rather much of a fool yet? I've been following them for years. They're NOT white supremacists and DO NOT want to rule over anyone!

[Physics-Man]

Once again, when did I say that every single black was a failure? Just the overwhelming majority of them are! IQ and intelligence has been shown to be overwhelmingly genetic (73% to 86%). Blacks have a general pattern of failure because they are less intelligent on average. This doesn't mean that there aren't any genius blacks however, just far less than genius Ashkenazi Jews.

Please don't give me any nonsense about your ex. All of that is meaningless. The matter here is that there's an enormous, but censored amount of evidence that race is genetic and biological. There's TONS of evidence out there. But of course, it's be reviled and scorned for the sake of political correctness and diversity bullshit. Your people do not belong in countries that they have never been able to build themselves. Most (but not all) of your kind deserves nothing better than to be repatriated back to the muddaland where your ensemble of afro-intellectuals can build the Wakanda of their dreams and prove how every bit as equal they are to white people.

Once again, you know personally nothing about me. I've already offered to make a list of my accomplishments to you. I'm waiting, or maybe you forgot? I have a ton of accomplishments under my belt. Just ask for them.

[Physics-Man]

Please stick to the topic okay. Don't go off on a fucking tangent.

When exactly did I say that I wanted to kill or subjugate anyone? I'm not a white supremacist and I don't fight for any of that. Don't fucking make me repeat myself.

Fair enough, things change. They weren't white and now they are considered white. The point here is that the European peoples have contributed the most to society, culture, ingenuity, and technology. Regardless whether they're Mediterranean peoples or Nordics, we've all contributed at similar rates. The average IQs of all nations in Europe are similar as well.

People have enslaved others for millennia. The Jews and Slavic people were enslaved by Muslims hundreds to thousands of years. Native Americans were killing each other off far before whites ever got here. Native Americans aren't actually native to these lands you fool. I've repeated this before. They have have only relatively recently been here; for about 15,000 years. They were originally from Siberia back when Alaska connected Asia through the Bering Strait. They're genetically Asians.

Furthermore, Japan and Taiwan are also stolen lands. The inhabitants of those islands were the Aboriginals like the Ainu and other groups who have been inhabiting those lands for tens of thousands of years before the Yamato people of South Korea and the Han Chinese from Southern China crossed the seas and inhabited them. I don't see retard liberals like you telling them to let in Somalis and Haitians and other generally lesser people. They're living on stolen land, so they have no right to it right? But they're non-white, so it's okay right? Where's all the commotion about them? Taiwan and Japan were founded and built by the Han Chinese and the Yamato people, respectively, and as a result, they deserve that country and to remain the majority that they are.

[Physics-Man]

The Founding fathers who drafted and signed the declaration of independence and the Constitution were white men, not Blacks mestizos, and Muslims. They had the intention of making this country an extension of Europe per the Naturalization Act of 1790. It wasn't until the immigration act of 1965 where whites began to decrease to the 63% that they are now. The drafters of that immigration act said that it wouldn't change the White demographics of this nation, but they were wrong and it did. From 1790 to 1965 this nation was around 90% white; the way the founding fathers intended it to be. Native Americans have nothing to do with the founding of this country. Historians agree that if it wasn't whites, it would've been Asians or some other group who would've eventually conquered them. If the Native Americans would've been left alone this place would most likely remain in the stone age and a wilderness per historians like Samuel Francis. Whites turned this wilderness into the most powerful country the world has ever seen. WE did this, not your inferior race who've never managed to catch up with us or Asians or Arabs at any point in history.

[Physics-Man]

No one on that list of scientists from American Renaissance were falsely added. Look them up yourself. Just making up excuses as usual right?

[RolandCuthbert]

I am not off topic. Read your own words. I can't teach you basic English or how to have a common sense conversation. You are the one who claimed skin color determined "civilized behavior". Raping non-"White" women because you don't think they have human rights is not civilized. Butchering people simply because you do not like their skin color or culture is not civilized. Stealing land is not civilized. Yet your analysis claims it is legit because of your insane theories about race. And that is the main point.

No European peoples have not contributed the most to society. Why am I able to post in this forum? Because of European peoples? Maybe because of a few. But my freedoms today were paid for in blood, by Mary Turner, Medger Evers, Thomas Brewer, Harriet Tubman, Jonathan Daniels, etc. That's why African-Americans today are able to enjoy rights and freedoms.

I owe none of that to European technology. If you were so concerned about that, then you would lead a campaign to have "your people" return to Europe.

This how silly you are. People have enslaved others for millenia. BUT NOT ON THE BASIS OF RACE. American Indians enslaved other American Indians. Africans enslaved other Africans. No one invented a science, then claimed that it was only an objective scientific fact that certain people needed to be enslaved while others needed to be their masters before insane racists did.

Only you, a "White" supremacist fruitcake has made that claim.

[Physics-Man]

"I am not off topic. Read your own words. I can't teach you basic English or how to have a common sense conversation."

Several people you've argued with have called you out on the same you fool. Including hellionthesagereturns on this question. I have three associate's degrees and was on the Dean's Honor roll twice you idiot. You know nothing about me.

[RolandCuthbert]

"The Founding fathers who drafted and signed the declaration of independence and the Constitution
were white men, not Blacks mestizos, and Muslims."

You don't know anything about the Founding Fathers. No one claims they were perfect. But they knew slavery was wrong.

"I shudder to think God is just, when I look at the evils of American slavery".

Thomas Jefferson.

Of course, the Constitution needed to be amended for me to be able to post in this forum. But to pretend that all the Founding Fathers were "White" supremacist fruitcakes like you is not even playing with a full deck of cards.

In fact, if you look at the times, they didn't even mean for these rights to be extended to every "White" man. You don't know any history. The only people who were considered to have the right to vote, were "White" men who owned land. No women and certainly no one fitting your description.

And you talk about Asians, dude, Asians would never have banded together on the basis of race, and then proceeded to destroy American Indian civilization.

When the Spanish first came and saw the Aztec Capital of Tenochtitlán, they claimed it was the most advanced city they had ever seen.

They promptly burned it to the ground. They butchered its inhabitants. They raped. They pillaged.

And you want me to praise that was being civilized.

[Physics-Man]

"Raping non-"White" women because you don't think they have human rights is not civilized. Butchering people simply because you do not like their skin color or culture is not civilized. Stealing land is not civilized."

I never claimed whites were perfect and had done no wrong. Every single other group of people have done the same, and sometimes worse.

[RolandCuthbert]

Dude, this is GaG. To be disliked here is a badge of honor. I don't have much of an ambition to be liked by insane crazed racists and anti-government types. I don't seek the approval of misogynists and conspiracy mongers.

I am not like you guys. I have to live in the real world.

[RolandCuthbert]

No, you didn't claim "Whites" were perfect. You claimed they were civilized or. . . more civilized. They are not anymore than anybody else.

Because "White" folks are just people. Just like everyone else.

Only insane crazed racists think they can objectively determine someone's worth through their skin color. There is nothing remotely scientific or objective about this analysis.

[Physics-Man]

"No, you didn't claim "Whites" were perfect. You claimed they were civilized or. . . more civilized. They are not anymore than anybody else."

Western society is far superior to others. The greatest civilizations in history were mostly concentrated in Europe. Along with Mesopotamia, China, and India. European countries and those nations founded by Europeans are the top destinations for immigration.

[Physics-Man]

"Dude, this is GaG. To be disliked here is a badge of honor. I don't have much of an ambition to be liked by insane crazed racists and anti-government types. I don't seek the approval of misogynists and conspiracy mongers.

I am not like you guys. I have to live in the real world."

Dumb motherfucker, where did I say anything about you being hated? People call you out here because you're fucking retarded and have the same habits of repeating yourself and then claiming you didn't.

[RolandCuthbert]

You keep trying to use code words. Even Conservatives admit that Western society is made up of many different cultures.

Stop using code words.

Just stick to saying "White" people.

And again my rights and freedoms were won mostly by the African-Americans who came before me.

And a society that does not respect my rights and freedoms is not superior to any other.

[Physics-Man]

"Stop using code words."

Which ones?

[RolandCuthbert]

Dude insane crazed racists are not usually the types of folks that think rationally. That is just common sense fact. You know that if you went to any public venue to spout this craziness, people would dismiss you as insane.

So if you ever get the courage, after this nightmare is over, we can debate in public. Then we can see just who's ideas are considered to be "normal".

Because GaG is not normal. While it gives an insight into the underbelly of American society, normal people don't have the luxuries that most of the GaG faithful enjoy.

[Physics-Man]

"Dude insane crazed racists are not usually the types of folks that think rationally. That is just common sense fact. You know that if you went to any public venue to spout this craziness, people would dismiss you as insane."

I have indeed talked about these things in public. They staunchly agree with me. And they've called me as being "right on the money". Unless they've all been crazy lunatics somehow too right? Why don't you debate with Jared Taylor huh? I'm sure you can outsmart him. You can contact him on the American Renaissance website and have it posted on his YouTube channel perhaps! So why don't you? Boy, you're in for all real treat with him! Professional libtards have debated him and have lost. Let's see if you do any better.

[Physics-Man]

"No European peoples have not contributed the most to society. Why am I able to post in this forum? Because of European peoples? Maybe because of a few. But my freedoms today were paid for in blood, by Mary Turner, Medger Evers, Thomas Brewer, Harriet Tubman, Jonathan Daniels, etc. That's why African-Americans today are able to enjoy rights and freedoms."

Europeans have arguably built the greatest societies in history, have invented the most technology, and have contributed the most to culture, cuisine, music, and ingenuity.

Don't kid yourself! Just because a bunch of slaves died doesn't give you any right to a nation founded by Europeans. The founding fathers wanted to maintain a white nation, not one for your kind. You have the shitholes of Africa. Go build Wakanda over there you afro-intellect.

Chinese and Koreans were enslaved by the Japanese throughout multiple times throughout history. They were viewed as inherently inferior to the Japanese because they thought that they themselves originated from the Sun and that the Chinese and Koreans didn't. This was indeed a racial cause. So it indeed has also happened with other people than just Europeans. There were tens of thousands of Koreans and Chinese who gave their sweat, blood, and tears towards building parts of Japan through slavery. Why aren't THEY being forced into Japan since they contributed to it?

Muslims thought Slavic people were inferior. They thought that blonde hair signified cowardice and savagery and their blue eyes suggested poor vision. They enslaved them for thousands of years to help develop their lands. How come there aren't any Slavs in power within Arab nations? Don't the Arabs owe them something? This is another case of racial superiority.

[Physics-Man]

"When the Spanish first came and saw the Aztec Capital of Tenochtitlán, they claimed it was the most advanced city they had ever seen."

Fair enough. Do note that the Aztecs thought the Spaniards were Gods and their technology was vastly superior to theirs.

Where exactly does it say that the City was the most advanced they had ever seen? They were still far less technologically developed than the Spaniards after all.

[Physics-Man]

"And you talk about Asians, dude, Asians would never have banded together on the basis of race, and then proceeded to destroy American Indian civilization."

Quit being fucking stupid and putting things in my mouth I never said. I never said that Asians would band together. I'm talking about particular people from Asia like the Chinese or Koreans, not all or multiple groups of them. After all, the Spaniards, British, and French didn't band together either. So why would Asians? It seems you're the one having problems with common sense interpretations.

And yes, if it wasn't the Spanish or the British, it would've been been some other race or ethnic group like the Chinese. It's only inevitable.

[Physics-Man]

I already told you I'm not a white supremacist you stupid fuck. I don't want to rule or subvert any group of people.

[Physics-Man]

You don't know anything about the Founding Fathers. No one claims they were perfect. But they knew slavery was wrong.

"I shudder to think God is just, when I look at the evils of American slavery".

Thomas Jefferson.

I never claimed they were perfect, and indeed, they thought slavery was awful, that's why they wanted to end it someday, and had planned to send your kind back to Africa. They even had a place to put them called Liberia complete with an identical copy of the Constitution which they still have today.

Aside from this, the Founding fathers thought of Sub-Saharan Africans as below them. Just do a search for all the sentences they made to describe them.

[RolandCuthbert]

Code words. . .

You are kidding right?

Just say "White" people. Western society makes it seems like you are being reasonable.

Racists are not reasonable people. Racists are not concerned about societies. They are concerned about race.

[Physics-Man]

Western Society was started by whites (Europeans). Not by Blacks, mestizos, or Muslims. The exact origins trace back to Greece specifically, which spread to the rest of Europe. It's a white or European invention.

[RolandCuthbert]

Of course you have not talked about this stuff in public. Quit being silly. You scour the internet. That's how you found amren, stormfront, and all these other racist pits of despair. You didn't find it in a healthy social life. You didn't find it in the love from your family and friends dude.

You found it the way all internet trolls find it. In the dark.

Look at how crazy you are.

Why don't I debate Jared Taylor? Why doesn't Jared Taylor debate me?

You are here in this forum, if you don't know why you believe what you believe and the only thing you can do is cut and paste from insane "White" supremacist rags, that is your fault not mine.

I know the science. I know why I believe race is nonsense. I explained it over and over. It is a very simple fact based argument.

There is no objective genetic description for a "Black" person or a "White" person. The labels are arbitrary and based upon a given society's opinion.

Period.

Trevor Noah was not "Black" in South Africa. But in America he is a "Black" man.

[RolandCuthbert]

You don't know basic history. Jefferson did not come up with the idea. He did support it however. The ACS was founded to find a home for freed "Black" slaves. They are the ones who founded Liberia. And they made the arrangements for "Blacks" to travel back to Liberia.

None of this is neither here nor there. No matter what Founding Fathers thought, women have right to vote, your short looking mayan self has the right to vote, "White" men who do not own land have the right to vote, and so do we.

[Physics-Man]

"Of course you have not talked about this stuff in public. Quit being silly. You scour the internet. That's how you found amren, stormfront, and all these other racist pits of despair. You didn't find it in a healthy social life. You didn't find it in the love from your family and friends dude."

Buzz off with that nonsense. You don't know shit about. I guess all the times I talked about it with my martial arts instructors or classmates in public didn't happen then right?

[Physics-Man]

"Why don't I debate Jared Taylor? Why doesn't Jared Taylor debate me?

You are here in this forum, if you don't know why you believe what you believe and the only thing you can do is cut and paste from insane "White" supremacist rags, that is your fault not mine."

Why would he debate you, you moron? You're not some well known professional libtard like the ones he's massacred in debates. This is common sense!

Look, if you want I'll contact him through the Amren website and ask for a webcam debate with you. Just tell me when. Do you accept this? You shouldn't be afraid right? Some genius afro-intellect such as yourself would easily beat him no sweat. So let's shall we? Do you want me to contact him?

Nothing that I've posted is from white supremacist sites you dumbass. I've done my own personal research.

The 10,000 year explosion, the Bell Curve, Why Race Matters, and Race differences in intelligence books along with seminars from several prominent scientists who believe in race aren't white supremacist in the slightest. Keep throwing those words around you simpleton. Keep making fucking excuses.

[Physics-Man]

"Trevor Noah was not "Black" in South Africa. But in America he is a "Black" man."

Indeed, he's not considered black in South Africa, but colored, and he's considered black in America due to the histories of those respective countries such as that involving the "one drop rule" like in America. Genetics wise in the absolute sense, he's half black and half white.

[Physics-Man]

Believe what you want fool.

[RolandCuthbert]

Right, I am here in this forum. I came here to talk about relationships. You came here to spread "White" supremacist fruitcake theology. So if you want me to debate Jared Taylor go get him. Bring him here. I didn't come here talk to you. I don't know you from a crack in the sidewalk. You have an agenda that has nothing to do with GaG's mission statement. Racist trolls have flooded the site to spread their racist dogma. I guess it kind of follows. Most racists are sexists as well. And when you have a hard time getting a date, your type tends to blame "Black" guys and interracial dating.

Wait, now you are saying why would he debate me after telling to go discuss this with him.

Well, it wasn't like you were a rational person anyway.

Yeah, dude go get him. Go get your daddy!

Tell him this big "Black" dude put a beating on you.

OH, the racist list of books and nonsense. There is nothing your books that has a genetic objective description of what is a "Black" person.

That is a social designation that changes dependent upon the society you are in.

[RolandCuthbert]

You are responding to a post you deleted. That's how nutso you are.

No dude, you have to live a double-life. You have to censor yourself when talking to your family and friends. You have to watch what you say in the workplace. That's why you are drawn to the dark places of the net. And you come here and pretend to be a normal human being.

I feel sorry for you.

I don't have to do any of that. And my friends are from every culture and clan on this earth. Because race means nothing to me. It can't tell me who is good, who is bad, who is smart, or who is stupid. The only thing that can do that is talking to them and getting to know them.

I dislike you immensely. But that has nothing do to with your supposed race. That only has to do with you insane fruitcake racist views. Your opinion of me, begins and ends when you know my skin color.

Period.

[RolandCuthbert]

Right nutso. He is considered to be in a different racial grouping dependent upon the society he is in. Your nutso freakshow organization has no objective standard for determining race. They can only talk about what they think a person looks like. As though the genetics that determine skin color are the same as the ones that determine height or weight.

That isn't science son.

That is insanity.

Trevor Noah and his mother were legally classified as being in two different racial categories. And for him to be born was against the law.

This is the logical conclusion of insane racist nonsense.

[Physics-Man]

"Of course, the Constitution needed to be amended for me to be able to post in this forum. But to pretend that all the Founding Fathers were "White" supremacist fruitcakes like you is not even playing with a full deck of cards.

In fact, if you look at the times, they didn't even mean for these rights to be extended to every "White" man. You don't know any history. The only people who were considered to have the right to vote, were "White" men who owned land. No women and certainly no one fitting your description."

[Physics-Man]

According to Thomas Jefferson:

'Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free."

And he follows:

"Nothing is less certain that the two races, equally free cannot live in the same government."

He wanted them to be separated and I quote,

"Beyond the reach of mixture."

He further said that of them that

"Their existence appears to participate more on sensation rather than reflection.

James Madison agreed, he wanted the US government to buy up every slave and deport them

He ran the American colonization society which had it's goal of sending blacks back to Africa.

At the inauguration, Henry Clay described it's purpose, with it being

"To rid our country of a useless and pernicious, if not dangerous portion of the population.'

Andrew Jackson, Daniel Webster, Steven Douglas, William Seward, Francis Scott Keith, Winfield Scott, and John Marshall were members and also officers of this society.

According to the Naturalization Act of 1790 written by the First Congress in history back when the country wasn't even 20 years old, it was written as stating that only a "free white person... of good character" could be a US citizen. Blacks couldn't become citizens until 1868. Siberian Americans (native Americans) couldn't become citizens until 1924.

During the Lincoln-Douglas debates, Lincoln, the great emancipator, was quoted as saying,

"I am not nor ever been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, not of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarriage with white people."

"There is a difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and Political equality."

[Physics-Man]

"No dude, you have to live a double-life. You have to censor yourself when talking to your family and friends. You have to watch what you say in the workplace. That's why you are drawn to the dark places of the net. And you come here and pretend to be a normal human being."

I don't censor myself with my family and friends. They know damn well what I believe in.

Of course I need to at work! Do you think people who lived in the middle ages under the Roman Empire didn't censor themselves about their beliefs of a heliocentric model? Do you think they wanted to be tortured, excommunicated, or persecuted?

[RolandCuthbert]

www.historians.org/.../cortes-describes-tenochtitlan

"This great city of Tenochtitlán is built on the salt lake, and no matter by what road you travel there are two leagues from the main body of the city to the mainland. There are four artificial causeways leading to it, and each is as wide as two cavalry lances. The city itself is as big as Seville or Córdoba. The main streets are very wide and very straight; some of these are on the land, but the rest and all the smaller ones are half on land, half canals where they paddle their canoes. All the streets have openings in places so that the water may pass from one canal to another. Over all these openings, and some of them are very wide, there are bridges. . . . There are, in all districts of this great city, many temples or houses for their idols. They are all very beautiful buildings. .

[Physics-Man]

Fair enough. Buy where does it say that it was the most advanced city they had ever seen? Even more so than anything in Europe or where the Spanish had traveled?

[RolandCuthbert]

So now you switch you argument to James Madison because I have shown Thomas Jefferson did not create the ACS. It wasn't even started by Madison. Madison took it over much later.

It is like you are having kind of brain fart or something.

I have never claimed the Founding Fathers were perfect. Indeed many of them harbored racist views. I am not certain how you think this supports any assertion that race is a genetic objective standard for classifying human beings. You can quote Lincoln all you wish. He didn't support slavery. But it is safe to say, he wouldn't want his children intermarrying with "Black" people.

If you read up on American history. A lot of "White" people agreed with him. But opinions change over time.

That's why I am permitted to post in this forum today. My people changed a lot of hearts and a lot of minds. And that was done by blood.

[RolandCuthbert]

Whatever dude. You want to play semantics. It is quote obvious that Cortes was impressed by the Aztec, their technology and their engineering.

If you want to pretend he was not.

Do you.

[RolandCuthbert]

I am pretty certain they do not. Your family would probably be appalled at what you are posting here and the sites you visit. And you tortured souls are mad at society because your views are not accepted everywhere. You can only dwell in the dark places of the net and hope people don't find out who you really are.

[Physics-Man]

"When the Spanish first came and saw the Aztec Capital of Tenochtitlán, they claimed it was the most advanced city they had ever seen."

Nothing in the description you posted states that it was the most advanced they had ever seen, only that they were impressed by their technology and engineering.

[Physics-Man]

"I am pretty certain they do not. Your family would probably be appalled at what you are posting here and the sites you visit. And you tortured souls are mad at society because your views are not accepted everywhere. You can only dwell in the dark places of the net and hope people don't find out who you really are."

Believe what you want. There isn't any way to prove it to you anyway?

[RolandCuthbert]

Like I said, if you wish to play semantics. Then just use Cortes' quote.

It is far from your observation of the Aztec being backwards, primitive and uncivilized.

I wonder which description is the most accurate.

Hmmmmm. . .

[RolandCuthbert]

You are an insane racist. Anonymity is your friend. I have a real life. This person you are talking to is the same person I am 24/7. I don't have to hide anything or pretend to be something I am not in real life.

And if get the courage to stop playing games. We can do this. I offered to this hellionthesagereborn almost two years ago.

But one thing that racists have in common with each other is cowardice.

[Physics-Man]

"Like I said, if you wish to play semantics. Then just use Cortes' quote.

It is far from your observation of the Aztec being backwards, primitive and uncivilized.

I wonder which description is the most accurate.

Hmmmmm. . ."

They sacrificed others for the sun God by cutting their hearts out. Pretty uncivilized and primitive of you ask me.

[Physics-Man]

"You are an insane racist. Anonymity is your friend. I have a real life. This person you are talking to is the same person I am 24/7. I don't have to hide anything or pretend to be something I am not in real life."

I'm the same as in real life. I can't spout everything I know left and right because of the times we're living in akin to the middle ages regarding race. I share the same beliefs with my friends and family. There's no way I can prove this.

[RolandCuthbert]

Oh, you mean when the Spanish would literally kill the natives to test the sharpness of their blades, that was civilized.

Got it.

You are racist to your core. Cruelty is not your issue. It simply the race of the person performing the act.

[Physics-Man]

There's no way I can prove this to you.

[Physics-Man]

The point here is that the Aztecs were civilized. Which they weren't due to their acts of sacrifice regardless of Tenochtitlán. I never said the Spanish didn't do bad shit.

[RolandCuthbert]

You can pretend that is you. But I told your guy the same thing. We can meet in public and put the whole debate on youtube.

Then we can see just how authentic you are.

Whereas I lead race/culture discussion groups son. I have an actual group online that you can join. But you are not going to be anonymous there. You are going to give us your real information as you will have access to everyone else's.

[RolandCuthbert]

You can prove it. We can meet up online. We can arrange a face to face, a phone call. We can put our discussion up on the net. We can do something that actually pushes this society towards an honest debate about race and culture.

But that takes courage son.

[Physics-Man]

Unfortunately, I don't trust that you want me there strictly for discussion, but for devious ulterior motives, so I'm unable to do so.

[Physics-Man]

I messaged AmRen by the way. I'll give you a heads up if they or when they respond.

[RolandCuthbert]

But you said they were civilized. When literally they would get a new sword and slice a native in two. . .. to test its sharpness. They would simply rape whatever woman they wanted. They took gold, property, etc.

And to you that is civilized.

The only thing that bothers you is Aztecs sacrificing their own in their religious rituals.

[RolandCuthbert]

Nah that isn't it. You are just a coward.

[Physics-Man]

Believe what you want. I'm not falling for your trap. I don't know you.

[RolandCuthbert]

Wait, you say no to my offer. But I am supposed to say yes to yours.

I tell you what.

Hold your breath.

[RolandCuthbert]

Right and I don't know you. And racists are notoriously unstable and violent.

[Physics-Man]

Their societies and civilizations were more civilized than others at the time and they still are. They're technologically more advanced and have contributed the most to culture, music, society, cuisine and human development. This doesn't mean they're perfect. The Koreans did terrible shit in Vietnam, and the Japanese did awful shit to the Koreans and the Chinese. Yet Japan and Korea are more developed than most European countries. They're still not perfect.

[Physics-Man]

I'm not violent and unstable. But just like you said, you don't know me.

[Physics-Man]

"Wait, you say no to my offer. But I am supposed to say yes to yours."

Jared Taylor has nothing to lose; he already makes a sufficient amount of money and lives in a nice home. His job is being President of American Renaissance. He doesn't have anything to lose. But I do. I rely on three jobs, and like I said I don't know you or your intentions. I can't voice out in the public the equivalent of the Heliocentric model in the middle ages. That's not safe.

[Physics-Man]

"your short looking mayan self has the right to vote"

I've taken several DNA tests, they all pointed to a Spanish/Portuguese, French/Basque, and Northern Italian/Sardinian mix.

I've always been mistaken for Israeli, Persian, and Armenian. I have a Mediterranean appearance. Europeans at my college think I'm from Southwest or Eastern Europe, or the Baltic Peninsula

[RolandCuthbert]

You keep saying "still not perfect" like it means something. You are a "White" supremacist. So what does it matter if "Whites" are not perfect, you say they are the best. So please. . . stop saying this as though you have a point.

The real point is, you keep talking about civilization in terms that are favorable to your racist theories. It is not an objective measure. You talk about the brutality of the Aztecs in your analysis of how they treated members of their society for sacrifices. Many of those Aztecs were proud to be sacrificed. It was not always some involuntary act. And even then it would be a situation where it was a person deemed a criminal or an enemy. It is no different than looking at Japanese society. Samurai had the right to kill any man or woman who wasn't simply because he was pissed at a change in the weather. The Emperor of China buried alive almost 500 scholars, burned books and destroyed ancient Chinese knowledge. But your obsession with race can't lead to an objective analysis of culture or civilization. It can only show us your race obsession.

That's why Spaniards murdering natives to test the sharpness of their swords means nothing to you. Because those lives mean nothing to you.

Those people were not "White".

So it is too bad, so sad.

That is the extent of crazed insane racist thinking.

[RolandCuthbert]

I am quite certain you are violent and unstable. And perhaps meeting you in public is a bad idea. Racists are obsessed with guns. It is like you guys are the new Muslim extremists.

[Physics-Man]

Absolutely not. Asians and Jews are on average more intelligent than Europeans.

No, I never said I wanted to kill off others or enslave them because they weren't white. You're putting words in my mouth. That's white supremacy, and I'm not a white supremacist.

[RolandCuthbert]

? I rely on one contract. And my intentions are written here in black and white. It is to disprove insane crazed racist nonsense. That's all. So why would I reveal myself to a group of people who are insanely violent and fanatic about their views, if they won't reveal themselves to me? At least if something happens to me, the authorities will know where to start looking.

This is boring. I am going to play Baldurs Gate.

[Physics-Man]

Many of the Aztecs sacrificed their enemies who were captured as well. Also from other tribes living near them. Not only bad people like criminals.

[Physics-Man]

"I am quite certain you are violent and unstable. And perhaps meeting you in public is a bad idea. Racists are obsessed with guns. It is like you guys are the new Muslim extremists."

You can believe what you want.

[Physics-Man]

"So why would I reveal myself to a group of people who are insanely violent and fanatic about their views, if they won't reveal themselves to me? At least if something happens to me, the authorities will know where to start looking."

The difference here is that AmRen has never been blamed responsible for killing any of the people they've debated. They aren't insanely violent doofus; not at all. Many of their members are distinguished scientists who hold unorthodox views.

[Physics-Man]

"I don't know you from a crack in the sidewalk."

Yet you continue to make assumptions about me nimrod.

[Physics-Man]

"Most racists are sexists as well. And when you have a hard time getting a date, your type tends to blame "Black" guys and interracial dating."

I'm as much of a sexist as much as I am a white supremacist. Not at all. I agree I tend to nitpick on girls for their nature or flaws, but I fully acknowledge that guys have them as well.

I have a hard time getting a date because of my own fault honestly. Plenty of girls have shown high interest in me. I just don't do anything about it.

Nope, not at all. I've had crushes on Asian girls. So I'm not against interracial dating. And no, I don't blame Blacks on anything related to dating. All studies on dating show that black males and females are either the least or second least desired by all races of men and women except between themselves.

[Physics-Man]

"I dislike you immensely. But that has nothing do to with your supposed race. That only has to do with you insane fruitcake racist views. Your opinion of me, begins and ends when you know my skin color."

Boo Hoo, cry me a river! I couldn't care any less about you.

Nope, I never judged since I don't know you. I've said multiple times that there are smart black you dumbfuck. Collectively speaking, your race is less intelligent and has contributed the least of anything despite being the oldest humans on Earth. I'm judging your race as a whole, and I judge everyone on an individual basis as well. Just in case I do come across smart Blacks. However, I certainly am cautious of their presence since they commit the most crime, so it's only common sense that I want to avoid black neighborhoods or them in general. It's called common sense and playing it safe.

[Physics-Man]

"Tell him this big "Black" dude put a beating on you."

That's funny! Considering that the majority of my arguments went unanswered while I answered every single one of yours!

[Physics-Man]

"OH, the racist list of books and nonsense. There is nothing your books that has a genetic objective description of what is a "Black" person."

Oh really! They're racist just because you don't agree with them right retard? Despite being written by highly accomplished scholars? They indeed do have a genetic description of race; I've read them! It looks like you haven't you utter fool. But go ahead, keep disregarding anything that puts your insane mindset in jeopardy.

Who's more foolish, a child afraid of the dark, or an adult afraid of the light? How absolutely pathetic!

[Physics-Man]

"Your nutso freakshow organization has no objective standard for determining race. They can only talk about what they think a person looks like. As though the genetics that determine skin color are the same as the ones that determine height or weight."

AmRen does have an objective standard for determining race! Read the works of Micheal Levin, Charles Murray, Douglas Whitman, Richard Herrnstein, David Reich, Richard Lynn, and J. Phillipe Rushton. They've all spoken on behalf of American Renaissance. Funny how you make such laughable claims when you don't know much about them other than being insanely violent and white supremacist, which is stupendously false!

[Physics-Man]

Douglas Whitman, UC Berkeley, PhD in evolutionary entomology.

He points out that evidence for the biological reality of race is overwhelming and that anyone who denies it "is a slimy Marxist or a complete idiot."

m.youtube.com/watch

[RolandCuthbert]

"Many of the Aztecs sacrificed their enemies who were captured as well. Also from other tribes living near them. Not only bad people like criminals. "

You are so angry, you are not reading my posts.

I said this. But also that some of the people who were sacrificed were willing. If you read anything, you would know that Cortes and his men noted that some survivors of the ritual wanted to opportunity.

Wow.

[RolandCuthbert]

The only difference between you and the shooter in El Paso is that you haven't killed anyone yet.

[RolandCuthbert]

A manifesto posted online shortly before Saturday’s massacre at a Walmart in El Paso that the suspected shooter may have written blamed immigrants for hastening the environmental destruction of the United States and proposed genocide as a pathway to ecological sustainability.

Filled with white nationalist diatribes against “race-mixing” and the “Hispanic invasion of Texas,” the manifesto highlights far-right extremists’ budding revival of eco-fascism.

Titled “The Inconvenient Truth,” an allusion to Al Gore’s landmark climate change documentary, the ranting four-page document appeared on the extremist forum 8chan shortly before the shooting. Authorities have yet to confirm whether Patrick Crusius, the 21-year-old Dallas-area white man arrested in connection with the shooting that left at least 22 dead, is the author.

[RolandCuthbert]

"Yet you continue to make assumptions about me nimrod. "

You make assumptions based on race and you are mad that I make assumptions based on you "White" supremacist fruitcake rhetoric?

Wow. . .

But before you spoke, again, I didn't know you from a crack on the sidewalk. Your race tells me nothing.

[RolandCuthbert]

Right. Plenty of women are beating down the door for you.

Oh, "Black" males are suddenly the least desired of all the er. . . races.

:D

[RolandCuthbert]

No son, there is nothing those books but nutty racist insane fantasies. I stated it again and again. There is no objective genetic description for a "Black" person. There is only the insane crazed racist obsession with skin color.

And there isn't a single book or study that you can find that proves me wrong.

[RolandCuthbert]

None of those people offer anything son. That's why you are not posting anything of substance. There is no objective standard for determining who is "Black" and who is not.

Where is the cutoff?

If i have 35% European ancestry, why am I still "Black"?

Why is Dr. Henry Louis Gates still a "Black" man, when his DNA was analyzed, his matrilineal and patrilineal lines could only be traced back to Europe. In America, he is considered to be a "Black" man.

www.npr.org/.../historian-henry-louis-gates-jr-on-dna-testing-and-finding-his-own-roots

[RolandCuthbert]

What is the genetic description of a "White" person? What is the description of a "Black" person?

You insane crazed upside fruitcake "White" supremacist. The thing that is sad is that I try counsel other African-Americans when they go get DNA tests. I told people for years. If you are "Black" American be prepared to be surprised. They still don't get it. They think they are going to take a test that says they are 97% African. Because they have been conditioned to believe that race is somehow real. And just because they have experienced racism and thrown into a certain race that will determine their genetics.

Frequently you see these videos online, when they finally realize that race is a lie, they get emotional. Many African-Americans have significant European ancestry. Their patrilineal lines go back to Europe. And in the case of a few, both lines do. Because African male slaves were having sex with indentured European female slaves. But to a racist, life is so simple. Somehow he can physically alter a "Black" person's genetic footprint by looking at them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuI_mS-GMfg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoLQQgr_abc&t=365s

[RolandCuthbert]

Of course you judge me racist fruitcake. You judge all "Black" people. All American Indians. And all "Whites". You are in "White" supremacist court. And that court finds one race supreme over all others.

Deal with that.

Be who you are.

Why lie or pretend to other than that? You don't judge people based upon their individual mistakes, skills or behaviors. You judge them on their race.

From an actual scientific organization;

""Race" thus evolved as a worldview, a body of prejudgments that distorts our ideas about human differences and group behavior. Racial beliefs constitute myths about the diversity in the human species and about the abilities and behavior of people homogenized into "racial" categories. The myths fused behavior and physical features together in the public mind, impeding our comprehension of both biological variations and cultural behavior, implying that both are genetically determined. Racial myths bear no relationship to the reality of human capabilities or behavior. Scientists today find that reliance on such folk beliefs about human differences in research has led to countless errors."

[RolandCuthbert]

Dude, that video is so racist, even GaG won't play it.

Haha!!!

[OddBeMe]

That would be a racist father. Pretty simple, really.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

No, but I wouldn't be happy with her.

[Nickel_Slam]

No but I'd prefer her not to.

[Agape93]

Lmao no

[TwoToTooTutu2]

No..

[JennieF]

Nah, I did for a while in college.

[Handysandy69]

Gotta love rednecks

[qajata]

Never

[Mrswright077]

No that's ridiculous