I thought we lived in the new Millenium already.. why such old and outdated and PATRIACHIAL values? !
You know, it's not like men have this convention at which we plan how to oppress women and establish these societal rules like "Generally, men will be older than women in relationships."
So, why does this happen?
It's called "emergent behavior". This often means that, when a system is left alone, the actions of individual parts make it seem like the actions of the individuals were coordinated.
For example, look at a flock of birds flying or a school of fish swimming. Each animal acts individually, yet, all the animals appear to exhibit similar behavior as a group. There are no written rules for this behavior; it just happens as a result of the animals' instincts ("rules", so to speak).
That's important to realize.
And the same thing happens with humans which is why many of our societies appear "patriarchal" (believe it or not, there are a considerable number of matriarchal / matrilineal societies).
OK, so what about this specific trend: Women in relationships with men older than them?
Well, again, look at instincts.
In this case, two instinctive trends are at work.
First, regardless of sex, the younger the adult, the more physically attractive the adult is on evolutionary (healthier and more fertile and capable) and biological grounds (less aged so healthier).
Second, and this is a female instinct - not male at all - is that females are generally attracted to males who are older because the older male often seems more capable of protecting her and her children. He is more confident but also more knowledgeable and careful. He is more attuned to her and not just all about sex. He is likely more established in society. Etc.
So, am I full of shit?
Nope. As evidence, all you have to do is notice here or among close female friends or whoever all the women who have fantasies involving male authorities - doctors, teachers / professors, cops, fathers/father's friend/friend's father, etc. This is a very prevalent fantasy - almost fetish - among many women.
Anyway, bottomline, this isn't a patriarchy thing.
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When I was little I wanted a girlfriend but I was too young. When I reached my teens I wanted a girlfriend but they were already chasing the guys with money. When I reached 19 I got a girlfriend but I wasn't good enough I was only temporary (her own words). When I reached 20 I got a new girlfriend but she cheated advised to do so by her mom even cheated with a good friend and he told me about it and we broke up.
In my 20's I wanted a girlfriend but they were looking for someone older with a established career and all the money. When I reached my 30's it was the same thing. And into my mid 40's those things begin to run through my mind, Due to open borders and technology I lost my opportunities my career. I had no marriage, I had no children.
The clock had run out, So no matter at what age I was at there was always a problem why I had no one. And as I reached my 50's I came to realize it was no use trying anymore the clock has ran out.
And what I have discovered along the way was that all those females that I wasn't fit enough, good enough, rich enough, those that went for the rich guy, lived the good life, had the marriage, had already raised their children, had it their way, only now they have had their life fall apart, divorced single and lonely, and now they are paying attention, they are looking my way now, now that I am finished with it all and no thank you.
And at a time when I was dreaming of those women trying my best to be what they and society expected of me, I begun to realize for every ounce of love I had for them they returned it with a pound of hate. And today I was never married, never got to experience having children and can't go near children of others either much less adopt, feminism is against me, the laws are against me, society is against me too.
I had my career stolen handed over to foreigners, evaders, the very ability to support a family is gone. I am looked at as a danger anywhere I go. I am stuck in a country where I would rather not be and even pretty much had the opportunity to leave confidently removed too. I am now single, childless, alone, in a country I no longer want to be in that I would leave in a heartbeat given I had that opportunity.
I have to live in a country where I have to worry about my own safety if I would risk going around others especially females or around children being painted as a predator. I wake up everyday and repeat the same old thing I have done for the majority of my time on this earth, which is to be alone, sit alone, do everything alone, all attempts for a remedy are over. So please tell me where this Patriarchy is or was I missed out.
I encourage anyone to be happy with whoever, age doesn't matter as long as you are compatible. Guys closer to my age have often been terrible, older is nicer and those older men say that women their own age, simply don't want to be with them. They are too independent and are happy being single.
I just say age doesn't matter as much as people think it does... and outside of GAG it is rare to even hear about it.
For real large age gaps are creepy. I've seen a lot of these "younger women" speak out when they are older about how it was a mistake and that they were groomed. I wouldn't want anyone going through that situation so hopefully this trend stops cuz it's just disturbing
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In the real world outside of GAG no one is obsessed with this. And unless fathers or older male relatives are making young women get into relationships with much older men (something that generally doesn’t happen in Western countries), I don’t see how you can call a man dating a much younger woman „patriarchal“. Not is it encouraged.
i very much doubt you’d fume over men dating much older women. At the end of the day, what consenting adults do or who they date is their business.
To the women reading this get something through your head. Modern day feminism is toxic, and todays era has taught men to be less masculine. Being masculine doesn’t mean being mean. If a woman wants to be feminine should I call her a bitch? This is the stupid, idiotic statements I see and read almost everyday. Third wave feminism basically has 3 points — 1) your career will make you happy, 2) don’t get married, 3) kids are a waste to have. More and more women who are in the thick of this feminist extremism in their 30s refuse to date or get married, not all but there women who feel this way. Therefore, if a guy is 20 years older then a girl is it ideal, no? But if he’s healthy, vibrant and cares for her why does it matter. There are women like Britney Spears who is married to a young Iranian model guy who is 12 years younger than her. Women are cool with that and that’s hypocrisy at its finest. Some girl is going to read this and give my comment one of these emojis 🫤 to dislike my comment. All it shows me is when it comes to age gap girls and women will say if a man does it it’s creeeeeepyyy. If a woman does it, you go girl! Such a cougar 😛. I’m in my 30s, I don’t care if I find someone 10 years younger then me. I believe in heaven and I believe in the afterlife that everyone who goes to heaven living an obedient life to God and a good citizen to others after they depart this world will be reunited with their significant other AT THE SAME AGE (early 30s), that is true love, that is forever love. I will live and die with those morals.
nobody is encouraging any form of relationships much less age gap relationships. gay and interracial relationships and get promoted far more than age gap relationships.
while we're on the topic of "patriarchy", women are responsible for upholding the "patriarchy", not men. women have historically selected for men who are taller, stronger, more confident, more competent, more wealthy etc. and the phrase "men need to do better" is often thrown around so what do you think happens when men do become better? yeah men end up on top because women want men to better than them.
even then, not every man ends up on top though. CEOs, celebs, millionaires etc are still far outnumbered by men who working low paying jobs, men who are broke, homeless, in prison, living off govt paychecks etc. so really there's not much of a patriarchy.
I don't know if people really encourage it that much in general? I would say, any two adult people who want to be together should be together, I can give my opinion about what is "normal" or "weird" but it is up to them really. As far as why younger women might like older guys, I think a lot of times they just understand people and understand things better and know how to communicate better than younger guys (this is not 100% just on average). I am engaged to a guy close to my age and it is great but if I was single, I would be open to dating an older guy for the reasons I gave, I talk w older guys sometimes in bars while hanging out with my girlfriends and they are interesting and really good at talking w people.
You don't just wake up in the 21st Century and expect human evolution to adapt to creepy feminist doctrine.
Women have an expiration date. Most older men do not want an expired woman. Sometimes an older woman can keep her looks, past 40, sometimes into 50's, but if the guy is single, the girls still look better in their 20's and early 30's.
Guys put a high emphasis on looks. and it's hardwired in our brains. Some guys can condition themselves to ignore the age problem. Most of these guys have low self-esteem. Most of these guys are not actually fullfilled in these arrangements.
Ideally a man and woman find each other young, fall in love, and they stick together for life. But due to feminism, and encouraging women not to find the best guy while she is young, these women become damaged, and she is not taken seriously as she ages, unless she can find a simp to deal with, thereby lowerinf her standards.
Frank Lloyd Wright: "Form follows Function".
Feminine youth is rooted in merchandizing HER fertility and nurturing.
Male social function is to to defend her fidelity and provide fiscal & physical resources
for HER offspring and herself's maintenance & inheritance.
YOUNG males tend to be generally impoverished and covet 'hook-up's where they
sew their genetic seed and move on to 'hit & run' that's 'why' they're so intuitively
resistant to wear condoms.
Ask yourself HOW MUCH MORE randy as a female
YOU would be... if pregnancy and STD's were no longer an issue?Don't be mistaken. In more primitive circumstances an older male has proven his ability to survive, which is a precious feature for a female willing to create a family. There is no reason for this instinct to just disappear because our societies seem to have evolved.
There is also the plain fact that an older man can often still procreate, while the women's cycle stops earlier.
All this being said, just do as you all feel like, although we all have inherited of the features having allowed our species to survive ;0)
It's not really patriarchal... It's just about social constructs, you know... For example : the older person is usually the one leading the relationship so when it's the woman, it's unusual... and women age faster than men, so people assume he's going to leave her sooner or later and that's usually the case... Plus as a man you naturally fit the " guardian " role, so it's very normal for the man to be older and wiser and more experienced... On the other side... There's this weird freudian stigma around any relations between an older woman and a younger guy... People look at it as creepy and unhealthy.. Different...
Money talks. The situation you describe begets stability more often, statistically speaking. No one pushes women into this harder than their OWN MOTHERS! That's HARDLY "patriarchal"!
If you think she's a gold digger, look at her mother for answers. Especially if she's useless, and he's clearly a simp.
Is her mother single? Tattoos everywhere? Newports everywhere? Missing teeth? Works at a gas station? Has a picture on Mugshots. com? The younger gal is going to go for much older men. It's basic psychology.
Because if she can't get a much older man, she'll be resorting to Western Union scams, like the absolute dredges of society.
I think as long as people have the freedom to choose who they date you're always going to see all kinds of adults dating each other. No particular paring should necessarily be encouraged over others, but discouraging them from being together could also be considered wrong because there's no law against it, and it's their right to be together if they choose.
Patriarch has nothing to do with age. It has to do with the value system that some have. I. E Native Americans have a patriarch society which means they value women to a higher degree. They know women are the essence of everything. Some other cultures act similar but Europeans definitely not unless you're the crowned queen or king. Everyone should try valuing everyone like that while not using a false narrative to obtain what they want.
I don't know I guess cause that's more common. I'm older than my boyfriend by 4 years since he's 20 I know many people who don't like men much older and prefer the opposite or their age. I guess people just like to fetishize it? I don't judge but just saying.
See no one is forcing anyone to be wid an older men , people are just ok wid that relationship coz you know technically men are always older to women in marriages , and hence are liable for taking care of their families and their better half.
But no one is saying that you can't have older women or you can't have same age relation.Of course this post is coming from a women in her late twenties and perhaps an entitled feminist.
Women only engage in war with patriarchy when it doesn't benefit them. Women love guys paying for the dates and mostly never see them again otherwise, men has to initiate from asking and carrying out the relationships. Young women in their 20's are allowed to date and have fun with only rich and older guys and bad boys. But as soon as older men prefers an younger girl , older women start blaming all men. Stop shitting on men for their choice and perhaps date a younger guy.
Nothing wrong with an older woman dating a younger guy as long as it’s legal in their state (although after a certain point people are gonna look at you weird but they do that with really old men and young girls like in that pic too)
I’m not into the big age gap thing, but your focus on patriarchal values is honestly more disturbing. It seems like many just repeat what they hear and don’t understand why they’re even saying it. Don’t forget to get out there and build some skyscrapers and lay some bricks, you know, if you want to tear down the patriarchy.
I agree. Though I think this happens naturally within hypergamous societies. It's not something I really agree with or support, but I also don't think it's necessarily immoral. I suppose certain people just want those types of relationships; so whatever makes them happy.
A lot of people? Where I’m from this is the exception, not the norm. At best, it’s frowned upon. Nobody likes relationships where there’s a huge age gap, no matter what gender.
It's not patriarchal. It's nature. A lot of women are naturally attracted to older men, and men are naturally attracted to women who are in their prime child bearing years.
Calling mother nature patriarchal just underscores the absurdity of the concept of "patriarchy".
They don't. The WIDE consensus is that relationships with a large gap are creepy as hell. And the only people who think younger women dating much older guys is a good idea are the sugarbabies.
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