Should men from the US move overseas to find a woman who is traditional?

[coachTanthony]

Traditional meaning finding a woman who is fit, friendly, feminine, cooperative and submissive.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

I'm not against men traveling to meet whomever they wish. However, if their sole reason for going overseas is to find a "traditional" woman, or more specifically, a woman who is "fit, friendly, feminine, cooperative, and submissive," I am not convinced that men from the United States are required to move overseas to do it. Such women exist in the United States already. Such men that believe otherwise judge American women by negative generalizations rather than their individuality, resulting in them holding misconstrued views about American women as a whole. They are also more likely to struggle with women in general. If anything, it raises the question of why they can't find such a woman in their own country. Perhaps it can be found in their definition of "submissive." If such men want adult women to do whatever they're told as if they were children, they're not going to have much luck in relationships.

Relationships should be about adults providing for themselves and their children if they have them, and helping each other out whenever they need it out of love, not a master/slave relationship. Moreover, about 168 million women exist in America, and not every woman has the same personality. In addition, generalizing women overseas in a more positive way is also illogical, as not every "foreign" woman is the same either. Plenty of foreign women marry Americans simply for their money and a green card as well. If American women can give you problems, then the possibility exists that foreign women can give you problems too. Thus, I believe the best course of action is to uncover why women, whether foreign or not, generally give you problems and make some corrections to your character and the type of women that you approach. Also, if need be, ease up on your standards and values so that you can respect the adulthood and freedoms of women.

[TruthBringer]

Every woman from any part of the world will bring 'problems'. Sometimes you have to choose your poison and choose which problems are best to deal with. And if a non-western woman is worth taking a chance, then I see not why it should be an issue.

I personally know western men who moved overseas to be with their Asian women. And they are living happily for many years. Other men bring their Asian women to their country and they still are together with children.

Just because there are women who try to win a green card, doesn't mean it will happen to every man who tries. All a man can do is be strategic and make sure that the chances of him dealing with a green card predator is to its minimum. So far every man I personally know hasn't dealt with that bullshit, so clearly it can work out.

Many western women being mad about this has more to do with their selfish inferiority complex than it has to do with the actual facts. They choose to shame men for trying to find happiness abroad. The same men they consider to be "undesirable", "broke", "ugly", you name it. Yet somehow, they are mad that another woman is willing to take them. I don't see why a man should entirely give up on dating just because he gave up on women in his own country. Sometimes it comes down to values and if these values are more common elsewhere, then indeed he should try his luck elsewhere. Just because they exist in the US (or any western nation), doesn't mean they aren't hard to find.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@TruthBringer: If a man just wants to date a non-western woman because he prefers them, I couldn't care less. Yet, if a man only chooses non-western women because he finds western women problematic, uncovering his reasoning is important. Regarding that, I fail to understand why men must seek women overseas to deal with problems some women can potentially cause. You offered no reasons why problems that foreign women could cause are "better to deal with" compared to those caused by western women.

Not every western or foreign woman is the same. Also, understand that women are not always the problem, as men can cause problems in relationships. If the man himself is the problem, then he's likely to struggle with relationships no matter if the woman is western or non-western. Again, while I have no problem with men wanting Asian women, a man's not required to travel abroad to marry an Asian woman to be married for many years.

It's possible that western men and women can be happily married too. As for what you said about women marrying for green cards, I agree, but note that the same logic can be applied to western women. Whatever "issue" a western woman causes can be minimized with strategy as well. Also, note that anecdotal evidence is not credible, as saying "people you know" can't be verified, nor does it represent universal truths.

A bigger world exists beyond the people you know. Maybe the women you're referring to are "mad" because you're judging them by negative generalizations rather than just picking a non-western woman. I doubt these women would be "mad" at men simply having a preference for non-western women, but when you say you're choosing non-western women because western women are the problem, you should understand why that would be controversial. Also, why even worry if they're mad? Why not just find your non-western woman, get married happily, and ignore what the haters are saying about it?

[TruthBringer]

Sorry to say this but many western women ARE problematic. If a man genuinely tried with western women but couldn’t find a decent one (I consider myself lucky that I did find one), then I don’t see why he isn’t entitled to his personal preference and opinion about western women based on his own experience.
It’s not that these men are going overseas to solve problems, they are going overseas to ESCAPE problems. They try to find more suitable women who won’t give them the problems they experience in their own respective countries.

I already said, these foreign women can be a better match due to shared values. Plain and simple. While a western woman demands someone over 6 feet and that he makes a certain amount of money each year, a non-western woman may not have these demands and is more willing to accept him for what he already has to offer. Whether you like to admit it or not, but dating for the average man in the west is incredibly hard and many women are incredibly shallow with unrealistic standards. Just taking a look at the western divorce statistics and it is already telling why men aren’t bothering with (western) women.

If a man is the problem, then he is going to struggle regardless who he dates. Whether it be western or eastern. But if he had no luck in the west, but did find his luck and happiness in the east, I don’t see why it I a problem and why he deserves to be shamed to oblivion. It’s only reinforcing exactly why he left in the first place. I hope you realize this IRONY.
In the end, if a man tries to find his luck elsewhere, I see not why he should be shamed for it. Frankly from my observation, it is clear that many western women who are REEEing at this are doing so out of their own selfish prejudice. Just as Filipina Pea asked “If you truly don’t desire these men, why are you so angry and defensive that they leave?”.

[TruthBringer]

And regarding to your last question, I doubt these men even care at all. From what I can tell, they are actually laughing at all the haters and living their life with their Asian woman. The ACTUAL QUESTION you SHOULD be asking is why western women are mad that the same men they deem as “undesirable” are leaving.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@TruthBringer: Again, I'm not arguing men aren't entitled to preferences and opinions. If men prefer non-western women just because he likes them, fine. Yet, that doesn't render his reasoning exempt from questioning. My issue with your reasoning is it seems to be based on negative generalizations about western women that thrived from personal experience. Personal experiences don't denote universal truths. A bigger world exists beyond people you met.

While I understand foreign women can share values, note not every foreign woman will. Also, it's possible western women CAN share values. Not every western woman wants a man over 6'0" or cares about his money, and not every foreign woman lacks these preferences. As previously said, foreign women exist who specifically marry men for money, especially to escape their own problems.

When you generalize based on personal experience, you're literally missing out on millions of western women who could also share your values. Why do you think dating in the West is "incredibly hard for the average man?" Divorce statistics is irrational proof if intended as such, as they're irrelevant to the struggles of men dating, especially when considering men's actions can be reason for divorce. Divorce statistics are also high in East Asia and have been increasing since the 1980s.* More info in the link below.

If a man found success with women in the east after failing in the west, again, I don't think he deserves shaming, nor is it problematic. Again, what's problematic is he feels he absolutely MUST date foreigners to find success due to his negative generalizations of western women. In other words, bad reasoning is the problem, not the choice of foreign women. Nothing you're saying is convincing me you absolutely must date foreigners for success. The problem doesn't seem to be western women, but rather your irrational, black-and-white way of thinking.

dr.ntu.edu.sg/.../...20in%20Asia%2C%20preprint.pdf

[TruthBringer]

As I said, if it is the man’s personal experience not to have luck with western women, and he has better chances to look elsewhere, then I don’t see the issues. Just because he has a negative view on western women based on his own experience, doesn’t mean he isn’t entitled in them. Everybody knows that not everyone is bad. This includes western women, hence why I personally have no issues trying my luck with western women anyway (and it paid off in my case). But others are simply not so lucky and it doesn’t always have to do with a negative view of western women. Often these relationships form because two people met online or somewhere in real life. Other men seek out women in countries that are more aligned with their views. Or they simply had little luck in their own countries and are attempting elsewhere. I doubt the general motivation is based on them “absolutely needing to date a non-western woman”.

My problem is not with people questioning their motives. That’s their prerogative. My problem is with people who immediately assume there is some shady business going on when a western man chooses to date a non-western woman abroad. Often, these are based on nothing but regurgitated toxic and bigoted views to soothe one’s bruised ego and feeling of inferiority. THAT is where the true issue lies.

So even though a man’s motive is what YOU consider as “bad reasoning”, if it pays off for him in the long run, I don’t see anything bad with it. We base our views and beliefs on our experiences. And just because our experiences and views may not be absolute, doesn’t make them any less valid.

[TruthBringer]

“Nothing you're saying is convincing me you absolutely must date foreigners for success. The problem doesn't seem to be western women, but rather your irrational, black-and-white way of thinking.”

Where did I say that it is okay to think that one must absolutely date foreigners for you to claim I got a black-white thinking? I doubt you even grasp my message, in the first place for you to even make such judgments.

What concerns me is that even if a man has a somewhat negative view of western women< I believe he is justified in it because dating in the west truly is toxic. Add modern feminism into it and things became a shitfest. Hence why so many men are not bothering at all or simply try their luck elsewhere. And I support them fully in that even though I do encourage them to keep seeking the quality women out there in a sea of non-quality women. And if you’re planning on arguing with me about this, I recommend you don’t, because this is a view that you’re not going to change my mind about. I’ve lived long enough and have seen enough to have my views on that.

The bottom line is: Why do you people care if a man prefers a non-western woman? If that’s what brings him happiness, I don’t see an issue.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@TruthBringer: I'm not arguing men aren't entitled to their views. Yet others are entitled to their views too, which may disagree with yours. My view, which I'm also entitled to, is having a negative view of people based on personal experience is illogical and problematic, as personal experiences don't represent entire groups. My issue here is: why are other men "simply not so lucky?" Just because a man has poor luck with Western women doesn't mean Western women are automatically the problem. The man himself could be the problem too.

I have no issue with men attempting to find women elsewhere that align with their views or trying their luck elsewhere. My issue is Western women shouldn't be negatively generalized and trashed for men to do that, nor is it required to avoid them. If the motivation isn't men absolutely needing to date overseas to find success, then why are you replying? What exactly are you trying to convince me of that you think I don't understand?

When you say things like "Western women are problematic" and they have "inferiority complexes" when attempting to explain your reasoning for avoiding Western women, people will naturally assume "shady business." Thus, their "prerogative" is for them to respond to your attacks on their character based on your mere "personal experience" with a few bad apples. It's not just bad reasoning to me, as it is a logical fallacy. We also base our views on facts and logic, not just our experiences.

No guarantee exists it will pay off for him, according to facts and logic. It could fail. It's possible he could take your advice and move overseas for women, only to learn they dislike him too because they're not all the same, resulting in him losing money because he couldn't understand he was the problem and/or that he could have found a compatible Western woman too.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@TruthBringer: I grasp your message. Your message is that because Western women are problematic and because "the average man" struggles to find love with Western women, they would have better luck dating non-Western women. In the process, Western women attack and shame men for dating elsewhere. Your only "evidence" for this is your mere "personal experiences," which don't represent entire groups. This is black and white thinking it its finest because it essentially simplifies things to "Western women bad; non-Western women good; therefore, date non-Western women" without considering the many "good" Western women and "bad" non-Western women that exist beyond your personal experiences.

Not every aspect of dating in the West is toxic, as people can find great matches there. Even if it were true that Western dating is toxic, that's irrelevant to Western women being problematic, mainly because women are not the only ones that contribute to the toxicity. That's why I argued that it's important for men to understand that they could be the problem too, which can help them in the long run if they ever fail with all women, foreign or not. I have no intentions of changing your mind. Based on my previous interactions with you, I know that you don't care about facts and logic. You care solely about pushing agendas and cherishing your opinions. However, if you continue to reply to me, I'm just going to keep calling out your fallacious reasoning, whether you change your mind or not.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@TruthBringer: As for your "bottom line," I've mentioned several times that I don't care if men prefer non-Western women. My issue is when men negatively generalize western women based on their personal experiences, which don't represent the entire group. You're not giving me any indication that you prefer non-Western women simply because, say, you find them more attractive. Instead, you seem to prefer non-western women because you believe western women have "unrealistic dating standards," "inferiority complexes," and are problematic," with no evidence offered other than your mere "personal experience."

Plenty of western women without unrealistic standards, inferiority complexes, and whatnot exist beyond your personal experience, meaning that you have the option to date these western women too. Therefore, western women as a whole are not the problem. Instead, your reasoning is the problem. I don't understand how you don't get this. For example, if I say I don't want to date men anymore because many men in my personal experiences were violent criminals, my reasoning would be bad because my personal experiences don't represent all or the majority of men.

Plenty of men exist beyond my personal experience who aren't criminals. This means that instead of going single forever (which I can still do if I want, but that's not the point), I also have the option of dating men who aren't criminals. This same logic applies to western women as well. That's why "personal experience" makes for horrible evidence. Why is the option to date western women without unrealistic standards, inferiority complexes, and whatnot so difficult for the "average man?" That's my bottom line.

[TruthBringer]

Will all due respect, I have no interest in reading all of that. And most especially after skimming your response I quickly found out that no, you didn't grasp my point. In fact, you've misplaced my point and even resorted to putting words in my mouth. I clearly stated that if a man finds non-western women a better match, I don't see why he should be shamed in pursuing it. I didn't say that non-western women are by definition better than western women. You thinking my views are primarily based on my own "personal experience" is exactly where you went in the wrong.

Not only that, another piece of evidence that you're not grasping my point from one of your paragraphs about me calling women out for having an inferiority complex. Me calling western women having an inferiority complex is not about western women in general. I'm talking about the toxic ones who immediately start shaming western men for finding their luck elsewhere because they didn't manage to find it in their own countries. In their minds, that makes these men "useless", but then again, these same women are often single themselves. So what does that make them? Implying that someone who didn't find his luck would immediately be the common denominator is ignorant thinking. Plenty of good people out there who just aren't so lucky within the dating department. Plain and simple. And just because some people decide to get out of their way and try their luck elsewhere, I don't see why it's necessary to shame them. Whether it pays off or not is irrelevant to the matter.

It's about the fact they get shamed for trying, in the first place. THAT is my point. And no, you didn't get my point.

[TruthBringer]

This will be my final response:

Want proof of women shaming these men? Literally look down in the pink comments and that is already evidence to prove my point. Want some more? Check out these videos where a Filipina woman is addressing plenty of woman's videos doing exact what I am saying. SO no, it's not just my "personal experience".

https://youtu.be/WVp3eEGUpjs

If you think my reasoning is the problem, you're entitled to your opinion and I disagree with you completely. my reasoning is founded due to what I am observing through stats, my own experience and the experience of MANY MORE others out there. And hence my views are MOSTLY based on the experience of OTHERS rather than my own.

I stand by what I said. We can go back and forth all day, which is what I'm not interested in. You have your views and I have mine. Have a good day ;)

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@TruthBringer: I figured you wouldn't have any interest in reading what I said. You turn your back on anything that includes ACTUAL truth and posts that directly refute your drivel. You claim now that your sole point is that men get shamed for trying to date foreign women. If that's honestly your point, why are you telling me that? I've never advocated shaming men for seeking foreign women, and I've said that several times. My original post/opinion was that while I don't care what men do or who they choose to date, I'm not convinced that American men are *required* to go overseas to find a traditional woman when they exist in America. Do you agree with that? Shouldn't your post have been reserved for actual users who are attempting to shame men for their decisions?

Either way, I don't believe that's your sole point because it seems to me that you were attempting to convince me that Western women are problematic, Western dating is toxic, Western women have inferiority complexes, high divorce rates somehow mean that only they are the problem, and that Western women demand for men to be over 6'0" and make a certain amount of money. These are all your words. I'm not putting them in your mouth. You're clearly trying to tell me something about Western women, and it has an influence on why you support dating overseas. However, your only evidence to support your claim is your personal experience, which is weak. When I call you out on this, suddenly, you want to backtrack. You do this all the time. Sure, we have our views, but the difference between us is that mine are based facts and logic, and yours are based on personal bias and negative generalizations.

[TruthBringer]

For someone who claims she seeks truth, you seem to make it a habit of misrepresenting my statements and arguments, leaving me to constantly have to re-articulate things I've said just to counter you putting words in my mouth.

Just because I am in no interest to debate or discuss with someone who twists my words, doesn't mean I am running from facts or truths.
You've failed to prove that my points are based on personal prejudice and biases when I clearly mentioned that statistics are showing a clear pattern of dysfunction in western dating and why many men choose to look elsewhere.

In other words, stick to your delusional wishful thinking ;)

[TruthBringer]

I've most definitely given you a source and even referred to scroll down here that clearly prove my point. Meaning, I did give you the evidence, you're funny enough too scared to even check them out. Just because you failed to check them out, doesn't mean I didn't provide you with evidence.

Me mentioning that many women wanting to date men over 6'0'', divorce rates being high and that western dating is toxic is not solely based on personal experience, lady. It's something you can very easily Google and you see a lot of people speak out about these things that plague western dating.

For someone who claims that her views are based on "facts and logic", you sure seem to have a hard time distinguishing personal experience from recognizable patterns that you can easily Google for yourself. Statistics about divorce rates, statistics of women being more picky than men on dating apps and a lot of people who speak out about the same experiences are far BEYOND my personal experiences.

I literally gave you a video source proving my point and even directed you to scroll down to the pink comments. These "personal biases" and "negative generalizations" are funny enough being REINFORCED.

I never said or implied you're advocating for men being shamed. I've CLEARLY mentioned I was referring to the women who ARE. But in all honestly, I do have a strong feeling you're annoyed by the thought judging by how defensive you are about the idea. No wonder you're pulling a bunch of nuances and strawmans to plead your case.

No, American men are not "REQUIRED" to go overseas to find a traditional woman as they also exist in America. But if they have better CHANCES of finding them overseas, then I don't see the issue with it. THAT's my point.

[TruthBringer]

Also, the reason why I responded to you was not because you were shaming men, but because you were invalidating men's very justifiable reasons to try their luck elsewhere, refusing to acknowledge there is a clear toxicity in the western dating world. Just because a trad woman happens to exist in the US, doesn't mean there is a guarantee to find one, especially not in urban cities where feminism and post modernism are very prevalent.

You're trying to scuff it off as "unnecessary" and try to shift the blame to men who simply are fed up with the dating dynamic with western women. Just because I criticize western dating dynamics and western women, doesn't mean I don't acknowledge there aren't any good out there (I'm literally dating one myself). I'm simply explaining the MEN's POINT OF VIEW to why they choose to go for non-western women.

Unlike you, I don't dismiss very common patterns as "personal biases" when you can clearly look up the stats and MANY COMMON experiences of people for yourself. There is a clear pattern going on which you just want to dismiss because it doesn't suit YOUR biases. Perhaps it's time to be real and acknowledge that many western women are toxic for dating purposes, so much even that MRA groups and groups like MGTOW or the "passport bros" have been growing ever greater in the past decade. Why? Because many men can find these groups to resonate with them. Far beyond my own anecdotal experiences which you try to dismiss my point with. Which you failed miserably at by the way.

So instead of complaining and questioning the "necessity" of men seeking women overseas, perhaps you should do some proper research to why these men opt to inconvenience themselves with international dating, in the first place. THAT's where the actual FACTS lie. Because so far, you've only proven that you're FAR from being factual and unbiased.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@TruthBringer

"Also, the reason why I responded to you was not because you were shaming men, but because you were invalidating men's very justifiable reasons to try their luck elsewhere, refusing to acknowledge there is a clear toxicity in the western dating world."

Toxicity exists in every dating world, not just the West. In addition, there are plenty of aspects of Western dating that aren't toxic as well. Do you agree with that?

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@TruthBringer

I never misinterpreted anything you said. I responded to your direct quotes where you mentioned men basing their beliefs on Western women from their personal experiences and wondered why women shamed men for them. Nonetheless, to avoid possibly "twisting your words," I even asked you a direct question, but I still received no response, which proves that you are indeed running away from the "debate" you started.

Your quotes:

"As I said, if it is the man’s personal experience not to have luck with western women, and he has better chances to look elsewhere, then I don’t see the issues. Just because he has a negative view on western women based on his own experience, doesn’t mean he isn’t entitled in them."

"If a man genuinely tried with western women but couldn’t find a decent one (I consider myself lucky that I did find one), then I don’t see why he isn’t entitled to his personal preference and opinion about western women based on his own experience."

These quotes prove that you believe people judging Western women by personal experience is acceptable, which is what I responded to. I gave an analogy using men as criminals in my personal experiences as an example to show how such reasoning is illogical. Just because the men in my personal experiences have been criminals doesn't mean all or most men are criminals and should not be avoided for this particular reason. The same thing can be said regarding any "toxicity" that Western women exhibit.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@TruthBringer

"I've most definitely given you a source and even referred to scroll down here that clearly prove my point. Meaning, I did give you the evidence, you're funny enough too scared to even check them out. Just because you failed to check them out, doesn't mean I didn't provide you with evidence."

You only posted a single YouTube video, which doesn't disprove anything I said. I'm never "scared" to view any evidence. I didn't respond to it right away because you said that post would be your last. I figured that since you were running away from the truth, there was no point in watching an entire video and responding to other people's personal opinions rather than yours"

"Me mentioning that many women wanting to date men over 6'0'', divorce rates being high and that western dating is toxic is not solely based on personal experience, lady. It's something you can very easily Google and you see a lot of people speak out about these things that plague western dating."

Yet, women having such preferences and having such high divorce rates are not exclusive to Western women, which was the entire point of my original post. Do you agree with this statement?

"For someone who claims that her views are based on "facts and logic", you sure seem to have a hard time distinguishing personal experience from recognizable patterns that you can easily Google for yourself. and a lot of people who speak out about the same experiences are far BEYOND my personal experiences."

Yet, I also gave you evidence showing that high divorce rates are common in East Asia as well, which isn't the West. I also explained that women are not the sole reason that divorces happen. I also mentioned that women's preferences are not exclusive to the West. While people might speak of the same experiences, plenty of people also have the OPPOSITE experience, which is why personal experiences never make for good evidence.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@TruthBringer

"I literally gave you a video source proving my point and even directed you to scroll down to the pink comments. These "personal biases" and "negative generalizations" are funny enough being REINFORCED."

Yet, your video doesn't disprove my point, which is that "toxicity" exists worldwide, not just in the West, which is, again, the entire point of my original post. Again, do you agree with this statement?

"I never said or implied you're advocating for men being shamed. I've CLEARLY mentioned I was referring to the women who ARE. But in all honestly, I do have a strong feeling you're annoyed by the thought judging by how defensive you are about the idea. No wonder you're pulling a bunch of nuances and strawmans to plead your case."

Then you had no business mentioning women shaming men to me. Save that for the users that are directly shaming men. It's completely irrelevant to me. I'm not annoyed by the thought; I'm just not convinced by it. Personally, I don't think any woman cares if a man wants to date non-Western women. As I said before, I believe women are "shaming" men when they negatively generalize, but I could be wrong. Either way, I don't care to be right about it because it's 100% irrelevant to me. Instead, you should be having that debate with a woman who is indeed shaming men in the way you say, not me. Your claim that I'm debating strawmen is a lie. That's why I am asking you direct questions now so you can't weasel away from facing the truth this time with your lies.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@TruthBringer

"No, American men are not "REQUIRED" to go overseas to find a traditional woman as they also exist in America."

That was the entire point of my original post.

"But if they have better CHANCES of finding them overseas, then I don't see the issue with it. THAT's my point."

The "issue" depends on the reasoning. If the reasoning is that "most Western women are toxic and most non-Western women are not toxic," then I'm not convinced that this is true. This seems to be your reasoning, and based on what you've said countless times, I'm not misinterpreting you. That's why I'm saying that toxicity exists everywhere, not just in the West, and a man should be wise when picking up men and also be introspective, no matter if he is in the West or not. I don't see how anybody with at least half a brain can disagree with that.

"Also, the reason why I responded to you was not because you were shaming men, but because you were invalidating men's very justifiable reasons to try their luck elsewhere, refusing to acknowledge there is a clear toxicity in the western dating world. Just because a trad woman happens to exist in the US, doesn't mean there is a guarantee to find one, especially not in urban cities where feminism and post modernism are very prevalent."

I wasn't invalidating men's reasons to try their luck elsewhere, nor did I deny toxicity in the Western dating world. I simply said that not every aspect of Western dating is toxic, and toxicity also exists beyond the West. No guarantee exists that women outside the West will like you either, as they have preferences too. That's why it's best for men to improve themselves too, so they can improve their relationships with women no matter where they are. Not every man has the means to up and leave the West for a new country, and it would be even worse if they moved elsewhere and still struggled. Feminism should never stop a man from doing any of this.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@TruthBringer

"You're trying to scuff it off as "unnecessary" and try to shift the blame to men who simply are fed up with the dating dynamic with western women. Just because I criticize western dating dynamics and western women, doesn't mean I don't acknowledge there aren't any good out there (I'm literally dating one myself). I'm simply explaining the MEN's POINT OF VIEW to why they choose to go for non-western women."

If you acknowledge that good Western women exist, then logically, you acknowledge that it is unnecessary for a man to leave the West to find a good woman. I'm not saying men shouldn't do that. I'm saying it should be argued as a man's option, not a necessity. That's what my post to this question intended to say, considering the question was: SHOULD American men go overseas to find a traditional woman. If they want to, yes, but they shouldn't feel that they HAVE TO because traditional women exist in America too. Do you agree with that?

"Unlike you, I don't dismiss very common patterns as "personal biases" when you can clearly look up the stats and MANY COMMON experiences of people for yourself. There is a clear pattern going on which you just want to dismiss because it doesn't suit YOUR biases."

I wasn't dismissing anything as personal bias. I was directly responding to quotes where you mentioned how you believe that basing your reasoning on personal experiences shouldn't be an issue. I don't think you understand how personal experiences, whether they are yours or those of several people who agree with you, make for terrible evidence.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@TruthBringer

"Perhaps it's time to be real and acknowledge that many western women are toxic for dating purposes,"

Perhaps, based on your personal experiences, sure, but several other men have the opposite experiences, as you yourself admitted that good Western women exist.

"so much even that MRA groups and groups like MGTOW or the "passport bros" have been growing ever greater in the past decade. Why? Because many men can find these groups to resonate with them."

Or maybe they're men that struggle with selecting, attracting, and/or keeping women when they're in relationships, resulting in them giving up. It's not always the woman's fault when things go bad in relationships.

"Far beyond my own anecdotal experiences which you try to dismiss my point with. Which you failed miserably at by the way."

Simply claiming that I failed doesn't mean that I failed anything. If anything, you failed to understand how biased your reasoning is, to understand how personal experiences, whether yours or those that agree with you, don't entail encompassing truths, or even to make your arguments effectively.

"So instead of complaining and questioning the "necessity" of men seeking women overseas, perhaps you should do some proper research to why these men opt to inconvenience themselves with international dating"

Or I can just simply state the truth based on my answer to this question: American men "should" date women overseas if they want a traditional woman simply because they want to. They shouldn't feel that they have to because traditional women exist in America. If they struggle with women in America, they are likely to struggle with women overseas too. That's why it's also good for men to self-improve to make themselves more attractive so they can get women whether they're in America or overseas. I honestly don't see how anybody with at least half a brain can disagree with this.

[TruthBringer]

Sorry, I'm not reading any of that. Have a good day ;)

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@TruthBringer

"Sorry, I'm not reading any of that. Have a good day "

Truthbringer in a nutshell when confronted with the actual truth.

[TruthBringer]

Nah, it just means I don't waste my time with Gish Gallopers. But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night, missy.

[midnightmoon05]

Life is about taking chances.
if they are quality man and know what he is looking for and haven’t been able to meet that woman who want the same (family, kids with good traditional value…) just be careful when out there. alway be smart before ditching out his heart and money.
I do see that…sadly…most American women are brain washed to be “equal” that often cause friction in a healthy heterosexual relationships in the US.
either that…or they have lost the way to raise boys to become man.

[midnightmoon05]

Surprise you select me for MHO! Thank you.
I wish you meet that dream woman to become your better half. Or maybe you have. 😊

[Anonymous]

Women don’t understand what traditional means. Women are hypocrites because they say they want a traditional guy to be a hard worker, provider, be chivalrous, do the jobs that are meant for men. Meanwhile women today have this warped mindset of feminist extremism, they don’t want to be mothers, they don’t want children. Women have this odd complex of her job and her boss give her more satisfaction than a beautiful family. Even animals understand the role of a family. I’m all for women having jobs and being career driven. But the problem is women who are money hungry and it’s never good enough so they want MORE! MORE! MORE! Then they get tired of the relationship or marriage even though the guy or man is truly trying and still want to initiate divorce.

And when it comes to the legal system women get favoured more, over 80% of divorces are by women. I’m not saying men are perfect - yes, men are sexist, men can be verbally or physically abusive, men can be lazy by not working or tying to force her to work while he does nothing, those are all wrong. But I cook, I work hard, I’m loyal, I take care of myself, and yes I am traditional. I look at how fucked up this world is, trying appease others on social media, our jobs that can end any time (especially with a bad recession looming). I never considered marriage a joke, I’m not trying to fuck up another woman’s life, my intentions are good intentions for marriage.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/Sh6RyAhZ6nA

[TruthBringer]

Just look at the pink comments, and that should be reason enough to just do it 😂.

They shame men who try their luck elsewhere, calling them "undesirable" and "failures" or whatnot and yet they somehow feel offended when these same men they don't desire find someone else abroad who does cherish them.

Ladies, you're only reinforcing why American men should just move abroad and find themselves a woman who isn't such a stuck up entitled brat.

If getting a passport means getting with a quality woman who still believes in family values and taking care of her husband like a loving wife, then I see not why it isn't worth it. I personally know (Dutch) men who did the same. Got themselves an Asian woman (Indonesian or Chinese) and are living life at the fullest. I personally have a Dutch girlfriend who is also traditional, but these are rare. So you can say I'm lucky.

So unless a man finds a traditional woman from his own country, moving overseas or bringing someone who is overseas would be worth a shot given his resources allow him to.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/ydryTKR-A_ghttps://www.youtube.com/embed/WVp3eEGUpjs

[Wraith_Cemetery]

@TruthBringer I've watched a bunch of videos from Pea's channel. She spits straight facts. Breath of fresh air when there's intelligent women like her on social media. We're surrounded by morons on there.

[TruthBringer]

@Wraith_Cemetery Welcome to G@G my man, bunch of feminazi misandrists who are REEEEing at the thought of men living happy lives, even if it got nothing to do with them. I've also started watching Pea's videos. A breath of fresh air she is.

[TruthBringer]

@coachTanthony Thanks for the MHO!

[RonStone45]

The Dutch in the Netherlands are so liberal so it's no surprise cuckservative Dutch morons would try to get an Asian wife and ruin their wonderful bloodline. They could get themselves a traditional eastern european woman who are much more attractive than east Asians and will produce better looking, healthier, stronger offsprings that would be much more successful with the opposite sex and keep their bloodline white but instead they choose to ruin their white heritage and downgrade the appearance of their future children. People who race mix deserve to be mixed race themselves and see how they enjoy growing up that way, not fitting in, not having a sense of belonging to a group and looking different etc. Race mixing is a crime against your people, ancestors and your heritage.

There are so few good looking Asian girls it's ridiculous why any white guy would want an Asian girl over a white woman. The only good looking Asian girls are the ones that look white/european examplehttps://filmdaily. co/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/fan-bingbing_2. jpg
But usually Asian women who look white only tend to look that way after a ton of makeup and plastic surgery. But even the best looking, white looking Asian girls are behind the best looking white women.

[RonStone45]

Of course the link doesn't show the image on the first try, example

[TruthBringer]

@RonStone45 Oh look, we've found the racist 😂. Ruining our bloodline? We don't need you to simp for our bloodline, pal. We Dutch are a free people who choose what we regard as best for our lives. And if it means dating outside our race, then so be it. Plenty of Dutch men and women dating outside their race and finding happiness.

It's only supremacists like you who are obsessed with "keeping the bloodline pure" like some Nazi.

[RonStone45]

Dutch are a bunch of potheaded liberal idiots. They are a disgrace to their ancestors and to the Germanic peoples. The dutch in america are smart and conservative, only a few dutch in the netherlands are worthy of their bloodline, most of them are dumb liberals and cuckcervatives like you. The dutch have some of the most beautiful women on the planet, they should preserve their genes if they still have braincells left to figure that out after al the weed they smoke.

[TruthBringer]

@RonStone45 My guy, go be a racist bigot elsewhere.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

I think it’s funny what men today describe as traditional women without even knowing what traditional means… so now if you’re not some mindless female who does as told and submits to everything like her husband is her master isn’t traditional🤷‍♀️

[coachTanthony]

Master Coach has a nice ring to it lol

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Ha ha in your dreams 🤣

[coachTanthony]

Watch your tone woman, I won't repeat myself. Ah ha.. I am getting good at this ha ha ha

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

You keep telling yourself that “master coach” 🤪😂

[coachTanthony]

Master Anthony I think is better.

[thatssuppy190]

A traditional woman is a woman who puts effort and sacrifices for her husband the same way he does that for her. Some women today don’t want to have any responsibilities in marriages and take all the advanteges from it. Also According to the law a man has to provide for the children and financially support his wife after making her pregnant. Some women nowadays can’t think of any obligations thay may have to their husbands. Thats why the modern feminist female isn’t attractive anymore to most men as they want to find a partner who is as committed as them in the marriage or relationship. And what people like you do is labeling those "tradional" women slaves to try and make them look bad because of your jealousy of them that they are better wifes and partners than you

[thatssuppy190]

And a lot of men are the same, they want their partners to do anything 24/7 whilst sitting back and enjoying eveything that comes to them while ignoring all their responsibilities. But these cowards, im talking about REAL men

[KrakenAttackin]

@Brainsbeforebeauty Men do not see brainless submission as attractive.

Western women constantly seek CONFLICT, whereas Eastern women seek HARMONY. This is the basic difference that modern western women just can't grasp.

[Softlife808]

Ha this!

[Softlife808]

@KrakenAttackin you're taking what she said too literal. Subconsciously you guys do seek brainless submission. What do you think you're doing when you go to a third world country preying on impoverished women. These women have no education and are poor.

[Asad1ONE1]

I agree with this. So many myths and false ideas out there. It's almost scary. "Traditional" is a word. There are far too many different personalities out there in the form of either men or women. And in any part of the globe 🌎. People need to stop trying to divide the genders.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@Asad1ONE1 well said!!

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@thatssuppy190 whoa back up there buddy! I’m not trying to shame any woman. Purrinf effort and sacrifices is no where near the same thing as a woman totally submitting to a man like he has total control over everything. And I was a good partner to my husband for twenty years till he passed. So don’t know what this jealousy is you talking about🤷‍♀️🤣

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@Deserter you complain others aren’t nice as you throw out insults🤷‍♀️ sure bud okay lol

[KrakenAttackin]

@Softlife808 That's pretty racist.

[Deserter]

Cause y'all mean

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@Deserter you don’t even know me so you don’t know how I am… quit lumping all women together… or don’t… but how do you expect women to be nice to you when you trash talk women on the daily. Why would they be nice or respect someone that has no respect for them🤷‍♀️

[Softlife808]

They want traditional but don't have the money for her to be a traditional wife. They want a woman to work and pay 50/50. News flash the traditional woman is a stay at home suburban wife. None of these guys can afford that lifestyle.

[Deserter]

I just want her to get a part time job at Walgreens and do some chores

[thatssuppy190]

@Brainsbeforebeauty you’re jealous because other women are better than you

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@thatssuppy190 🤣🤣🤣 sure okay if you say so lol

[thatssuppy190]

Your jealous bcz men prefer those women over you its true

[Softlife808]

@thatssupply190 those men are usually unattractive , insecure and aren't financially stable so no I don't envy that lol.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@thatssuppy190 you know how immature you sound right now right? I’m not single by choice, my husband died… you think I couldn’t have gotten in another relationship? Oh I could have multiple times… I don’tt because I’m my heart I’m still not over the loss of my husband… but go ahead and continue to talk out of your ass, it’s quite amusing😊

[Softlife808]

@thatssuppy190 those men are usually unattractive , insecure and aren't financially stable so no I don't envy that lol.

[Softlife808]

@Brainsbeforebeauty so sorry to hear that about your husband. Condolences

[thatssuppy190]

@Brainsbeforebeauty im not saying anything about your husband. Im so sorry for your loss. Im saying that women in general like to hate it when other women are more attractive to men than them. Im sure your husband was very happy with you. Im not stipulating anything else

[thatssuppy190]

@softlife808 i wouldn't say im unattractive and i and many other more men who are handsome are MORE attracted to those women. You got a big mouth for a fake profile like yours.

[Softlife808]

@thatssuppy190 your personal life is none of my business. I don't care to hear it, no offense.

[thatssuppy190]

Yea i thought you were the one saying that only unattractive men want women like those. Guess what you live in a fantasy world. Keep talkin fakey

[ZenJen444]

@thatssuppy190 sad story but @softlife808 is right. You're mad because you can't get a woman in America. If you can't get one in America you can't get one in another country wake up bro its your appearance

[Deserter]

Lol wrong, most western women are delusional when it comes to what they deserve

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@Deserter you sound delusional

[thatssuppy190]

@ZenJen444 yea ofcourse…

[Deserter]

Try again

[Avicenna]

Depends. First of all, they need to have an international career and make enough money for this to be a possibility. Second, they have to be open to new cultures.

If those two things are the case, it's possible. Something to keep in mind is that if a woman has a good career in her own country, she doesn't have much incentive to leave.

[MrBadd]

I don’t think it’s necessary, because it has a lot more to do with the man than it does the woman.

Plenty of women want that. It’s just that they’ll only be that woman to a certain type of guy, and if the guy she’s with isn’t that type, she’ll act differently.

It all comes down to masculine vs feminine polarity. Masculinity attracts femininity and vice versa. Masculinity inspires femininity in a woman and vice versa.

When a woman is with a man she’s strongly attracted to who is masculine, she’s going to act feminine. When she’s with a guy who isn’t that masculine, she’s going to act less feminine.

Most often the men who complain that they can’t find a traditional woman are weak men. I’m not sure that I’d call them effeminate, but they’re not masculine.

They have nothing about them that would make a woman want to be submissive toward them. Why would a woman submit to and follow a man who she can’t trust to be a good leader and who she can’t respect fully?

[AnusNdaPainus]

If they’ll only be that for a certain man then the men aren’t the issue

[MrBadd]

@AnusNdaPainus

They are, because this is true no matter where you go. In those other countries these men will still fail to attract such a woman because this is human nature, female nature. This is how they’re wired, and it makes sense. Re-read the last line.

[AnusNdaPainus]

No it’s a big cultural difference those women are raised to be wives and women in the US are raised to be independent

Men haven’t changed the women have

[CheeseMonster]

I don't know. If we're basing on generalizations or stereotypes, you probably won't find many places where Women (tm) fit all those requirements.

And feminine, well that varies by culture. So sure, Women will be feminine in most places you visit, because feminine means acting like women typically act in that place. And fit, well that also varies by culture. But that one is also more likely outside the us, for anyone. America just has pretty bad food policies and such.

So you will probably find fit, feminine Women in most other countries. But they won't necessarily be friendly, cooperative, or submissive. In fact it would probably be harder to tell too, because of a probable language barrier and culture shock. You may arrive and meet a Woman who seems to act very friendly, but is really being rude and you just don't realize, because you don't know the social rules. You may think she's feminine, but by her culture's standards she is very not. And she may seem submissive to you, but actually be quite aggressive and assertive within her culture.

This means you're more likely to (hypothetically) get together back in your own country, and once she's acclimated she will start adhering to your country's culture the same way she did her own (become rude, un-feminine, and aggressive by YOUR standards). Or settle down in her country, and once YOU'RE acclimated to her culture you'll realize she was already all those things. So yeah. In general I don't recommend country-hopping for spouses. That just doesn't seem smart in the long run, and makes the process generally more complicated and confusing for both parties.

[Anonymous]

Traditional women is a women who is caring family oriented and wants a proper family.. that is a husband just one dick per life , kids and a home with morals. Also they both contribute financially but the men more so the women maybe can spend more time with the kids to grown proper humans. Why a men can’t spend more time? Sure they can. Depends what’s the job but the mother connects more with their children. It’s easier. Traditional women knows how to SACRIFICE and not divorce so kids grow up mentally healthy - only gets divorced when the relationship is not healthy like abusive >> anything abusive related. Some might say well my mom never got divorced and I grew up fucked up- then go back and read at the beginning a traditional women is a women who is caring motherly love comes naturally to her - if your mom wasn’t caring then she wasn’t grown up as one either.



A traditional wife /women is N O T submissive that’s a typical fried Boston cream American mindset. If your wife is submissive she wasn’t raised in a not all household make she was bullied etc

[Opinion Owner]

If your wife is submissive she want raised in a normal ** household

[Opinion Owner]

Wasn’t *

[thatssuppy190]

Submissive women are women who live in a patriarchal household meaning that the husband is at the top of the household. I personally think that men do possess a certain amount of qualities that befits them more to this position. While women have tons, if not more, qualities but in other areas in the household. And i think that 2 heads of the household doesn't really work and results in a lot of marriage, in the same way that partriarchy can lead to divorce because of abusive and tyranical husbands.

I do agree and appreciate your first paragraph a lot! I wish their were more women like you nowadays. And yes i know you will probably take offence in the fact that i believe in patriarchy, but its just so solid

[thatssuppy190]

Results in a lot of divorce*

[Quackthulu2]

If those are the qualities you are looking for I would suggest getting a pet dog.

[coachTanthony]

LOL.

[SaoirseS]

What Quackthulu2 said?

[SaoirseS]

(without the question mark at the end)

[thatssuppy190]

Why friendly, feminine and cooperative, is that to much asked. If you dont want to offer that, i would suggest you should just have a relationship with yourself or stay single

[Quackthulu2]

@thatssuppy190 so you just didn’t read the question and decided to respond to my post anyways there huh?

[Softlife808]

🤣 lmfaooooo

[Wraith_Cemetery]

Found a traditionalist Lebanese woman to marry. She's classy, beautiful, dresses well, takes care of herself, believes in a nuclear family, hates modern feminism, is intelligent, well-educated, and is a billion times better than anyone in the USA/Canada/UK etc.

I had no problems finding someone from the West, unlike what the feminists are saying in the comments. The problem was them. All I could find were bitter, angry, unfeminine, unfaithful women who aren't fit to marry.

[WhiteBoyChill]

They got Catholic girls in Lebanon too I think

[Wraith_Cemetery]

@WhiteBoyChill Yeah, there's Catholics, Maronites, Chaldeans and Syriac Orthodox among others.

[TruthBringer]

Funny how it pisses the western feminists off when a man tries his luck in other parts of the world and actually succeeds. I'm happy for you, bro! I am also enjoying life with a true feminine traditional woman. Knowing that I'm pissing off random feminists only makes me enjoy it even more 😇🤣

[WhiteBoyChill]

@TruthBringer I just seriously can’t understand why they give a flying fck. Like if they’re all undesirable men, than why is it such an issue for them?

I think they only dislike it because they got such egos in their heads they think they’re better than everybody else.

Or even maybe the opposite and they hate facing the reality that other women are more attractive than them.

I’m honestly not sure which. Maybe it’s a combination of both.

Your thoughts?

[Wraith_Cemetery]

@TruthBringer Happy for you too, mate! And I know right? All the bitter feminists in the comments is hilarious and free entertainment.

[TruthBringer]

@WhiteBoyChill It's because it makes them feel inadequate. Even though they don't want these men, they still want these men to chase them. Narcissism at its finest. Rather than just move on with their lives not caring what happens to the men they don't desire, they choose to become angry, insulting and defensive towards these men. If you pay close attention, it is often women who are overweight who are getting mad or women who are old (or a combination of both).

The reality is that non-western women are starting to become more appealing because they still hold on to family values and their true femininity. Something western women don't have. Which automatically makes non-western women the better deal for men who seek out a true loving partner.

Check out this Filipino woman who calls them out as well for their hypocrisy:
https://youtu.be/ydryTKR-A_g

[WhiteBoyChill]

@TruthBringer I’ve heard her before man. She definitely gets it

[Europa789076]

shouldn't woman on this board be happy for you. Why are the woman so negative.

[TruthBringer]

@Europa789076 Read my comment, I've addressed why

[cth96190]

Read the female comments.
The comments are examples of why men are leaving.
It appears that most US and other Western women are too indoctrinated by Feminism to allow themselves understand what is happening in front of their eyes.
A woman from flyover country who votes Trump might be wife material. She is worth a few dates to find out.
A woman from a coastal city who was subjected to the full Communist mind fuck at university should be avoided as though she was a plague carrier. Treat every such woman as though she was Mattress Girl, or a reincarnated Andrea Dworkin.

[ManOnFire]

I don't know if I'd actually move overseas for that, but I respect any guy who wants to do that. Western women are just upset about men wanting more "traditional" women because western women are increasingly becoming less and less desirable, not to mention they are not even sought out by men worldwide like women from other countries are. They know this and that bothers them.

I love my American women as friends and sisters but even I don't want to date or be in relationships with most of them anymore either. I'm not necessarily looking for this idea of a "traditional" woman who does all the cooking and cleaning, but I am looking for women who are of a different attitude and character than most of today's modern western women, who are largely unfeminine, adversarial, ghetto (and I'm not talking about black women), arrogant, loving cruelty, and seeking superiority.

[KrakenAttackin]

@ManOnFire. This is pretty much spot on.

[ManOnFire]

@KrakenAttackin Yeah. These women know they're wrong, that's why they fight so hard to say the problem is with the men. I think they're also jealous of the women from other countries too.

[KrakenAttackin]

@ManOnFire. Totally agree. Eventually there will be a "reversion to the mean" with women's behavior. I don't think it will happen in my lifetime, but the collapsing marriage and birth rate will eventually drive society to put enormous pressure on women to return to sanity.

Right now women show up having had many sexual partners, other men's children, emotional baggage; and they expect good men to accept them and provide for them. This just isn't reality. So what do these women do? They find a simp, who they despise deep down, to pay for all of their mistakes. After a few years they treat him very poorly, cheat on him, and divorce him; taking half of everything. This pattern is just not sustainable.

[ManOnFire]

@KrakenAttackin "So what do these women do? They find a simp, who they despise deep down, to pay for all of their mistakes." - I filled that role for a woman years ago for a very short time - and thank God it was very short and didn't last forever like I wanted back then. But I had to learn and gain experience from my stupidity in youth, and it paid off. I now know how to spot these women and avoid them.

I like to think the reversion is already starting, as we're seeing more women like Pearl Davis and others who preach against the negativity of today's American women. If those women can see it and are bold enough to go public, that says there are others out there who think the same things, they just might not be very open about it.

[KrakenAttackin]

@ManOnFire. I agree about the very beginnings of a reversion, but when culture and even the government tells women to go be a ho, it will take time for real change to happen.

[TruthBringer]

"I think they're also jealous of the women from other countries too."

YUP. That's basically it. It's called having an inferiority complex. Did you notice that they shame these men to oblivision, calling them things like "undesirable", "ugly", "broke", "predators", you name it, yet when these same men leave them for other non-western women, they start to throw an emotional temper tantrum. You would think they would be glad these men are leaving, right? No. As much as they hate and despise these men, they still want them to SIMP for them. Even if they have absolutely 0 interest in them. Just the THOUGHT of them thinking more highly of other women (non-western women) is enough to trigger their inferiority complex. Remember, women are CONSTANTLY competing against each other on the sexual market. So by you leaving a woman who doesn't want you in the first place for someone else triggers their anxiety and feeling of inadequacy. So they don't want you, but they still want to feed off of your validation. Textbook narcissism.

Check out these two videos where an Asian woman roasts these toxic women:

https://youtu.be/ydryTKR-A_g
https://youtu.be/WVp3eEGUpjs

[ManOnFire]

@TruthBringer Bro... you made a really good point there. Pea is awesome by the way.

[KrakenAttackin]

@TruthBringer excellent post!

[alice55]

traditional doesn't mean fit women back in the days were quite chubby / big considering they had lots of babies and put attention in taking care of their family not their weight.

And I don't know if you need to move countries, I'm French are majority of people here are traditional where I live (but I'm from the countryside in Paris it's much more different) so I would guess in general countryside people are traditional and city more modern (the modern people who grew up in countryside move to city when going to college and never come back).

[ArrowheadSW]

I think it is NOT a good idea. Going overseas also means "different culture", so that is something that is not normally taken into account. Nothing wrong with a different culture, but marrying into a different culture is often hard to adapt to.

I know a guy who moved overseas to work for a humanitarian relief organization. He did not go there to find a wife, but he did meet a lady who he ended up marrying. He doesn't come right out and say, but he says in so many words that he would rather have stayed within his own culture.

[coachTanthony]

awww don't be chicken. lol

[NathanDavis]

high chances that the dumbasses that believe and advocate this nonsense never actually leave the US and never get a "traditional women overseas" either...

just like all those MGTOW never actually go their own way and just shut up about it... they just keep whining about women 24/7 and from their mother's house basement... lol

[Lionman95]

You can sure try but where do you wanna go to? Saudi Arabia, China, Russia or some Éast Asian country comes to mind. Maybe but those women probably won´t marry you for love and prefer you to get a Green Card or get your money.

The guys that won´t find a supposingly traditional woman in the US probably won´t find her elsewhere. The reason for that might be that they aren´t very traditional themselves they only expect her to be.

Chances are therefore that the woman you imagine only exists in your head.

[coachTanthony]

Women don't always want a green card. They just want to have their lives better in the country they are in.

[Lionman95]

Sure so they might take the money until there´s someone that has more of it. I think it´s nevertheless a bit naive to say the least because many parts of the world have turned progressive as well. So if you don´t have a clear plan or if you´re not really able to offer something things could get really tricky. There are differences though since for example here in Germany OF isn´t that much of a thing but you probably won´t find a housewife or stay at home woman here. Since that doesn´t sound appealing to most women either.

[coachTanthony]

If they want to try let them try. I don't really give s shit either way. I just asked the question.

[SaoirseS]

Why do I keep hearing the song “Tradition” from Fiddler on the Roof in my head any time I read a question like this?

[coachTanthony]

Good tune lol

[SaoirseS]

Yes, and if you know the story, all three daughters gave tradition the middle finger.

[coachTanthony]

Those daughters were not very cooperative, friendly or feminine then LOL

[SaoirseS]

They were friendly, cooperative, and feminine - they just married for love (one married outside of faith) rather than being "prepared to marry whoever Papa picked."

[coachTanthony]

Well then that is traditional good for them.

[SaoirseS]

Lol...

[SaoirseS]

As the sequel goes, they left the pogroms and moved westward, settling in Vienna, London, and the US, where the wives kept the purses so their husbands wouldn't piss all their money away. And the kids split the bill when they went on dates, a la Millie Dilmount.

[coachTanthony]

Millie Dilmount just trying to make it in NYC, struggling, wanting no help from no man. "I can do it myself" spawned decades of unhappy women. A true modern woman she was.

[SaoirseS]

Not quite, if she was in a job taking dictation from Trevor Braden.

[coachTanthony]

I embellished a bit lol

[SaoirseS]

I figured. Moral to the story: Millie should have kept her butt in Salina, Kansas.

[coachTanthony]

Sounds like a peaceful little town hell yeah

[SaoirseS]

Pretty big for a Kansas town, but overall pretty peaceful. And regionally well known for lavender farms :-)

[coachTanthony]

I think I flew out of that little airport they have there to Denver

[SaoirseS]

It has a very long runway. It's also a VOR waypoint for a lot of aviation traffic moving across the US.

[DollAlone]

Lets cut the bullshit and get to the point. Guys only do that cause they are fuckin ugly amd can't get a woman in the US according to our standards so they go where women lower their standards just for a ticket to the US.. And i think the whole "submissive" thing is a poor quality to get in a mate who you already deem as lower class than yourself but rely on the fact that they are so desperate to be a part of the American dream that they tap out and allow a man to put them in a guillotine.

[Softlife808]

Very true

[Europa789076]

wow, so you're considered ugly if you can't find a date in your own country. That's a little harsh

[Greenbins]

Why are your standards so high?

[Vegasrunner]

@DollAlone Isn't it odd that when women are single they always claim its by choice?

[Softlife808]

@Vegasrunner it is by choice. As a man you don't have options unless you're extremely attractive with extreme wealth. Women always have options.

[Greenbins]

@Europa789076 interesting ain't it.

[TruthBringer]

@DollAlone If these men are so undesirable, then why do you care so much that they find themselves a woman who would love them for the way they are? Perhaps they aren't as shallow as you are. You've literally just involuntarily admitted that your standards are shallow. And now the same men you deem as "undesirable" try their luck elsewhere, you get triggered?

This woman literally addresses women like you:
youtube.com/shorts/ydryTKR-A_g?feature=share

[marish01]

@Softlife808 I talked to some American men. They were attractive. (I have ridiculously high standards when it comes to looks). They said that the reason they would want to move on was because American women are bitchy, fat, not feminine and slutty.

[Softlife808]

@marsh01 there's no such thing as broke and handsome. Step up your standards. At 33 your focus should be a man's income not his looks. That's elementary school behavior

[coachTanthony]

@TruthBringer THIS RIGHT HERE!!! She makes very good points.

[coachTanthony]

@TruthBringer Girl in video that is.

[Softlife808]

@marish01 there's no such thing as broke and handsome. Step up your standards. At 33 your focus should be a man's income not his looks. That's elementary school behavior

[TruthBringer]

@coachTanthony Yup, that girl is dropping massive truthbombs. This is her channel if you're interested: https://www.youtube.com/@TheFilipinaPea

[marish01]

@Softlife808 first of all when did I say those handsome men were broke?
Sencondly, I can't date or marry a man whose looks don't turn me on. His income won't turn me on.

[Greenbins]

@TruthBringer omg she is awesome

[WhiteBoyChill]

@marish01 Ya fr. She’s just assuming certain things about you because its more convenient for suiting her narrative

[Europa789076]

@Greenbins i stay away from dating

[marish01]

@WhiteBoyChill true just like she assumes those American men who dislike American women for sluttiness, obesity and lack of femininty are broke, unwanted and ugly.

[Greenbins]

@Europa789076 I don't blame you

[TruthBringer]

@marish01 Don't mind her. She's just another little girl with daddy issues struggling with some inferiority complex because men are finding their happiness elsewhere rather than simp for her. So the only way to cope with the feeling of inferiority is by calling them "predators", "ugly" or "broke". Only reinforcing exactly why these men are leaving lmfao. Gotta love the desperate coping mechanism with these broads

[Asad1ONE1]

Nah you're just upset at the question and aren't being honest. Which I can understand. Many women (ugly or not) have the same troubles finding a man. I do disagree with this "traditional" bulls**t. Every man and woman is different.

[Asad1ONE1]

@Softlife808 I can understand you're upset at the question and all these gender generalities, but the fact that women have more options is laughable lol. That isn't gender specific.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

"Guys only do that cause they are fuckin ugly amd can't get a woman in the US according to our standards so they go where women lower their standards just for a ticket to the US"

lmao! you make it sound like the those unrealistic high standards that you women here in America have makes you all superior among the female race. seriously dude if you dont have a body and a face like Marilyn Monroe then your standards are useless

[Filthy_Immigrant]

@Greenbins cause she thinks having high standards makes her appear like one of the Kardashians. typical American bimbo mentality

[Greenbins]

@Filthy_Immigrant it actually makes them look worse !!

[Filthy_Immigrant]

@Europa789076 she's obviously projecting. but even worst she thinks having high standards herself makes her as hot as a celebrity. again typical mindset of the average American female

[Vegasrunner]

@Softlife808 Women typically have options to get banged, but not to get relationships from men they love and admire.

[Softlife808]

@asad1one1 facts doesn't equal upset lol. How many women have approached you? My guess is none.

[Softlife808]

@Vegasrunner you don't have a girlfriend nor wife so you're not the best spokes person for men lol.

[Vegasrunner]

@Softlife808 I've had sex w/ over 275 women, and currently juggle a roster of 3-5 women and have for over 20 years. I'm literally the ultimate spokesperson for men.

[Softlife808]

@Vegasrunner No attractive man who is wealthy and mentally sane is on gag all day crying about women. Get the therapy that you need so you can heal.

[Softlife808]

@Vegasrunner lying yo yourself and others will not help you. You're not even confident enough nor attractive to be out in the real world or have a real profile pic. Truth hurts

[Softlife808]

*to..

[Vegasrunner]

@Softlife808 That's a very convenient belief because it allows you to rationalize, w/ those that challenge your POV. So you're saying you're not wealthy or mentally sane, or is it only men on GAG thar are not wealthy and mentally insane, and please share the part that constitutes "crying about women".

[Vegasrunner]

@Softlife808 I agree lying to yourself will not help you, for starters you're attempting ro lie about your knowledge of me when we both know it's very unlikely someone like you would ever be fortunate enough to be around someone like me. The fact that you feel that it's important to have a profile pic on a social media forum, says a lot about your personal insecurities and need for affirmation from others.

[Softlife808]

@Vegasrunner I'm sorry but I refuse to read a delusional person's essay. You really need therapy.

[Vegasrunner]

@Softlife808 There's no need to apologize ti me. Your inability to read only limits you.

[TruthBringer]

@Softlife808 The fact you called that an "essay" is already telling that you don't do well in schools.

@Vegasrunner Checking out her profile pic. The filler lips, tattoos and full blown cleavage are tell-tales of a mentally unstable girl with ton of daddy issues lol

[Softlife808]

@TruthBringer well thank you for the lip filler comments. Didn't know my lips looked that perfect lol 😆. I get my lips from my moms side she's African and my dad is a white and a neuro surgeon 😉 .

[TruthBringer]

@Softlife808 Your dad's profession is irrelevant to the fact you're exhibiting yourself as the typical daddy issues girl desperate for (online) validation. I wouldn't be surprised if you have an Only Fans or at the very least thought about making one. No wonder you've asked a question about it before lol.

Shouldn't you go back to fishing compliments from simps? ;)

[Softlife808]

@TruthBringer my dad is very handsome , highly educated, wealthy and married. You're just some unattractive guy with no wife, no kids and no money lol. Nothing you say offends me, sorry 😉.

[TruthBringer]

@Softlife808 Awhh, sounds like someone is throwing an emotional temper tantrum and is desperate to resort to tu quoques 😂

Yes, your father is so wealthy and great, yet he somehow failed in making his daughter feel so loved that she doesn't feel the need to seek that validation over the internet or on OnlyFans LMFAO.

Yes, I'm so "ugly" and "broke" that I am in a relationship for years and very close to flying one of the most sophisticated fighter jets in the world. Marriage? I'm okay with that after recently turning 25 😂

Please keep going, this is quite amusing honestly

[Softlife808]

@TruthBringet eh, sounds like your feelings are hurt that's why you wrote two paragraphs, lol.

[TruthBringer]

@Softlife808 A paragraph is a bit too much for your brain to handle, no? No wonder you're selling yourself over the internet 😂

[Softlife808]

@TruthBringer sir it's the weekend. I get you're unattractive, no friends, no life, no girlfriend nor money but I'm not replying to you all day. I have a life work on yourself. I have better things to do your weird dude.

[TruthBringer]

@Softlife808 Lmfao, love how daddy issues Only Fans girl tries to shame other people who are exactly her "audience" that give her an income. I get it, you need to degrade yourself on Only Fans for money like any other E-whore. I don't want to be a thorn in your livelihood ;)

[Softlife808]

@TruthBringer hey ugly, I know you have no plans this weekend. Like I said, I do. So quit tagging me. I don't like ugly dudes in my mentions.

[TruthBringer]

@Softlife808 Oh hello. Thought you had better things to do, miss Only Fans girl who spends her own weekend on G@G lol

[Softlife808]

@TruthBringer hey ugly, I asked you to stay out my mentions. It's not my fault your ugly and can't get a woman in America because your dick is small ans you have no money. You might as well off yourself. You can't even make a baby lol. Again, I told u I don't like ugly dudes tagging me

[TruthBringer]

@Softlife808 Don't want to get mentioned, then don't mention me myself. I'm not an American nor living in America, so jokes on you 😂😂

Also, nice paragraph. We can clearly see who is the emotional one here. Enjoy your weekend on G@G 😂

[Softlife808]

@TruthBringer 25 don't have a wife nor kids. I bet your family is disappointed how you turned out.🤣🤣 now fuck off ugly piece of shit

[Softlife808]

@TruthBringer back w/ the paragraphs truth hurts Mr. Ugly🤣.

[TruthBringer]

@Softlife808

Damn, did you just project your own family's disappointment of you onto me? Oh miss 29 year old tattooed Only Fans girl? Daddy must be proud 😂

[TruthBringer]

@Softlife808 Paragraph? Self-awareness isn't your strongest suit, is it? 😂

[Softlife808]

@TruthBringer America or not you still ugly and lonely🤣 that will not change. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[TruthBringer]

@Softlife808 Oh geez, you really do have daddy issues judging by your desperation for attention. Funny how you're spending more time on me than the dudes who are paying for your "content" 😂

[Softlife808]

@TruthBringer you ok? 🤣🤣

[Softlife808]

@TruthBringer y do u hate dads so much. U have issues w/ur dad? Is he disappointed that you're 25, ugly, broke, not married, deformed and can't reproduce?🤣🤣🤣 like bruh, are you okay?

[TruthBringer]

@Softlife808 You're still talking? Need more attention?💀

[Vegasrunner]

@TruthBringer Lol, perhaps, but I can't speak to that as I don't like to judge w/out accurate information. Your essay statement is profound as it highlights how women typical respond from a place of emotion vs fact.

[Softlife808]

@TruthBringer are u ok? Seems the comment about ur dad hit hard lol.

[TruthBringer]

@Vegasrunner Tell me about it. Honestly, it is entertaining to see 😂

[Softlife808]

@TruthBringer yeah sometimes u gotta laugh to keep from crying right. Must be tough 😆

[TruthBringer]

@softlife808 So much hate and yet you're desperate for my attention. Sorry love, but I'm not here to give you the attention daddy didn't give you. Since you're so desperate to have the last say, I'll give it you so you can finally get off my dick. Good luck with your Only Fans 😘👋.

[Softlife808]

@TruthBringer so emotional 🤣🤣🤣

[Vegasrunner]

@TruthBringer It's so entertaining, and it provides a ton of insight into female behavior. A lot of it is standard, but there is a scary part because these woman may one day reproduce which leads to more troubled kids in the world.

[TruthBringer]

@Vegasrunner Many of these women won't get the chance to reproduce thankfully. Let a woman talk long enough and she'll tell you everything about herself. If you pay attention, often their insults towards someone is an indirect confession about their own flaws. We call it projection. I just enjoy watching from the sidelines eating some popcorn with my girlfriend 😂

[Softlife808]

@TruthBringer you mean the insults you made about fathers? Which is the direct result of you being a failure in your fathers eyes because you amounted to nothing, no wife, can't reproduce and ugly? A guy w/a girlfriend would not be stalking and harrassing women who don't find him attractive on social media. Feeding your delusion hurts you not me.

[marish01]

@Softlife808 you sound like a 13 year old brat who calls people ugly when they feel insecure and bitter. At your age it is even worse. I don't know your past. I am not sure why a woman your age would act like a psycho.

[Softlife808]

@marish01 aren't you the one whose never dated? Lol , so what issues do you have that men don't find you attractive nor have interest in you? And you can take the fake picture of Nancy down.

[TruthBringer]

@marish01 Just ignore her, Marish. Daddy didn't give her attention so she is now desperately seeking it from strangers over the internet. The attention-deprived would rather have negative attention than no attention at all. So just starve her from it. The plastic in her face already tells you all you need to know anyway.

[Softlife808]

@TruthBringer you mean your father. And why are you using multiple gag accounts? I spoke with a mod you're operating as marish and Vegas lol 😆 😂. She said you're a known lowlife who cries about his inability to attract a woman and reproduce

[Vegasrunner]

@TruthBringer Yes! You are so correct. in my opinion we're living in a golden age because so many women are now speaking out naively believing that they"re providing accurate insight into relationships when in reality all they are doing is validating how little women know about what it takes to retain a top tier man. Also u are spot on about the insults, for a lot of them that's their knew jerl reaction to anything that questions their delusion. I actually show these statements to the women that I deal w/ and we have a blast laughing about it, but sometimes they will lead to some productive deep conversations. One woman I deal w/ gave me a great formula she said "Women are insecure and because of their insecurities we're reluctant to be honest w/ them and because we're not honest w/ them it continues to feed their insecurities. That's kind of spot on in my opinion. Thought?

[marish01]

@Softlife808 lol I expected you to reply with namecalling. An ugly girl like you shouldn't even comment on people's appearances. That filter doesn't save you. You can change you avi all you want but you are still the same ugly woman.

[Softlife808]

Even words things the same 🤣 dudes a drag queen too

[marish01]

@TruthBringer it's not just bad plastic surgeries but bad genes lol

[TruthBringer]

@Vegasrunner There is indeed truth in that. Often they want you to tell them what they want to hear, even though they claim they want the truth. They want the truth as long as it suits theirs biases and caters to their feelings. Remember, they operate on emotions first and foremost. So the truth is what they FEEL is true. That's what separates them from men in general.

@marish01 Tell me about it. I mean gotta love the irony when the same person who calls others "ugly" and "undesirable" is Tatted up, uses filters, is full of plastic, exposes cleavage to the fullest, is 29 years old childless and single 😂. No wonder girly started an Only Fans to feel somewhat desired LMFAO.

[ZenJen444]

@TruthBringer the way you coming at women in the comments and the fact you have no profile picture takes the cake. You ugly bruh.. if you can't get a woman in America what make u think u can get one out the country?

[ZenJen444]

@marish01 she's gorgeous you sound insecure. Looks like you got punched in the lip and you have a pig nose. With a low forehead. What's up with that and why y'all @Vegasrunner @TruthBringer talking to yourself? It's obvious it's the same person operating under multiple accounts. All this because y'all can't get a woman in America? Give it up your ugly. If you can't get a woman in America you can't get one in a foreign country

[Softlife808]

@zenjen444 🤣🤣 that's exactly what I'm saying. If they ugly here they gonna be ugly outside the country. Ugly don't fade. He can argue until he's blue in the face under multiple accounts. Truth remains he will never be wanted. He's not enough

[Vegasrunner]

@TruthBringer Agreed. TBH women have always been that way, claiming they want the truth as long as it's palitable. Whats different is the level of delusuon that they go to just to create narratives that make them feel better. A great example is the @zenjen444 apparently we are the same person because she feels that way lol. While it's humorous on a site like this, this is the type of attitudes that lead to so many false real world accusations, that can ruin a good man's life.

[marish01]

@ZenJen444 you should have hiden your avi before calling me ugly. You didn't attack the real ugly woman because you agree with her. Lol
Whoever disagrees with you is ugly.
I won't comment on your looks because I pity you. You already know what you look like lol

[TruthBringer]

@Vegasrunner As I said, let them talk long enough and you'll hear them talk about themselves. Someone who accuses others on something based solely on speculation is most likely guilty of the act themselves. This is why cheaters often are the ones who accuse others of cheating. In their minds, if they do it, other people must do it as well.

@ZenJen444 Can't come up with your own arguments nor can you make your own deductive analysis, I see. So because the other snowflake with daddy issues thinks I'm using multiple accounts, you jump on that same wishful thinking train based with no evidence, no? If someone sounds exactly the same it is you and the other snowflake judging by the fact you cannot produce an original argument lol. Hey, whatever helps you sleep at night, love <3

I'm Dutch. I don't even live in America. I live in the Netherlands with my wonderful Dutch girlfriend. So jokes on you, love. I don't even need nor want an American woman. You're just mad American men are leaving your asses and committing to quality women oversees ;)

PS: Marish looks 10x better than yourself or the plastic surgery tatted up Only Fans whore. Just a man's opinion on the matter, sweetheart. Now back to selling your body for a monthly fee of a McDonald's Happy Meal. 😂

[ZenJen444]

@TruthBringer you're emotional which proves my point. You wouldn't be this emotional if my response was incorrect, lol. You're undesirable no matter where you go accept it.

[ZenJen444]

@marish01 aka truthbringer your emotional response demonstrates I'm right. You wouldn't be this upset if I were wrong

[TruthBringer]

@ZenJen444 You're calling me "emotional", yet you're the one who entered a conversation that had nothing to do with you throwing a bunch of insults. Gotta love the pot calling the kettle black. Your self-fulfilling prophecy is baseless, love. But hey, whatever floats your boat lol. I'm just going to leave you yapping to yourself like I am doing with the other 304. I'm not keen on wasting more time than necessary on E-whores who clearly lack fatherly attention. Ciao 😘👋

[marish01]

@ZenJen444 lol imagine you're wrong about thinking we are the same person. See how stupid and laughable you are.

[ZenJen444]

Again, @TruthBringer still emotional which further proves my point. You're undesirable. You leaving the country won't change that. Operating under @marish01 won't change that either. Still very emotional. Further proves my point and accuracy

[marish01]

@ZenJen444 I feel disgust for you. You hope my disgust indicates you were right to think I'm ugly. It is only your wishful thinking.

[ZenJen444]

@marish01 aka @TruthBringer again, emotional response under another account. Further proves my point of accuracy 💯

[TruthBringer]

@marish01 Girl is literally spreading lies about me to other users but sure we're the "emotional" ones 😂

[Softlife808]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Vegasrunner]

@TruthBringer Yea, it's just a combination of transference and ignorance. A lot of women suffer from their own insecurities and mistakingly believe that what frustrates them is remotely relevant to us. Women get upset when men lie to them, yet don't understand that men lie because they don't want to deal w/ behavior like you're currently seeing being exhibited. What I find fascinating is how they just make up an argumentative point that was never stayed and then begin to randomly attribute to someone simply for the purpose to argue.

[TruthBringer]

@Vegasrunner As I said, what they FEEL is the truth, is the truth to them. No matter how many statistics and peer-reviewed studies you throw their way, it will not be accepted because they don't coincide with their FEELINGS.

Just look at the bimbos under this question alone. The only ones who are literally mad that western men are finding happiness overseas with Asian women are western women. Instead of being happy that the men they personally supposedly "don't desire" are finding happiness with other women, they choose to shame and belittle them alongside non-western women they are dating. Textbook Narcissism. So you got women like in this video below ask them why they are so mad that the men they supposedly don't desire are not chasing them lol

https://youtu.be/ydryTKR-A_g

[Vegasrunner]

@TruthBringer All excellent points. However while it's the truth to them reality doesn't usually adhere to feeling which is why u have so many unhappy women rn. For me I'm not interested in changing POV's but rather using what they don't know Toy advantage. A lot of the women u see arguing are younger women who are still I'm their prime what they don't under and what hopefully you will find out is around 30 -32 that starts to switch as men start to enter their prime. There's a reason why the most popular men's advice platform have host in their 30's 40's and 50's and the most popular female ones have women in their 20's. I've been widely successful w/ women my entire life I was one of the largest nightclub promoters In Vegas for nearly a decade and literally interacted w/ 100's of the world's most beautiful women every day. The one thing they all would admit albeit reluctantly at times is that womendont really know shit about relationships. The reasons those women are so upset about guys that go to other countries to get girls is because deep down they understand that's one less guy to give them attention which is the commodity that they look for.

[TruthBringer]

@Vegasrunner Nailed it. That's why I mentioned that they are suffering form an inferiority complex. It's because even though these same men they don't see as dating prospects, they still feel inadequate when these same men want OTHER women more than them. So even though they're not interested in the guy, they still get mad when he stops chasing them and finds someone else who HE perceives as better. This triggers their inferiority complex, making them emotionally lash out at these men by calling them "ugly", "undesirable", "predators", "broke" and you name it.

So in other words, Narcissism.

[Vegasrunner]

@TruthBringer You are wise beyond your years my friend. Most guys don't understand this stuff until later in life. I'm more fascinated by the why, and you did a terrific job articating that.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

@TruthBringer @Vegasrunner @marish01 wow I know I'm late to the party but I just wanted to say that you guys are legends! I had a popcorn moment here

[TruthBringer]

@Vegasrunner Thanks for the kind words. I do what I can to increase my knowledge. Hence why I am leading a healthy and wonderful relationship. Knowledge is power and is the main reason why I managed to avoid unnecessary hurt for a long time now. Could say the same when I was in my late teens/early 20 and thought that everyone (especially women) was an angel with a good heart. Boy, have I learned that lesson the hard way lol

@Filthy_Immigrant You should also thank the other 2 Only Fans whores really. The ugly ones with the tats and filter who wants a sugardaddy who makes 200k/year and the other who admitted that she and her mom are both greencard predator scum. Wouldn't have been possible without these two God-sent blessings for society!

[marish01]

@Filthy_Immigrant the botched face contradicted herself a lot.
She said women always have options and if they are single then it's by choice. Yet she said I am single because guys don't find me attractive. So according to her I'm single not by choice. Lol
She wanted to humiliate guys by saying even unattractive women can date if they choose so unlike men. Then she wanted to "hurt" me because I called her out so she claimed I am unattractive and that's why I'm single.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

@marish01 damn if those are not cognitive dissonance then I dont know what cognitive dissonance is

[Filthy_Immigrant]

@TruthBringer very true, I just love how these same scum of society always think they either have a place or can demand to have a place in our society despite them putting themselves at the lower class end.

its like sorry buddy, you can't have your cake and eat it

[Vegasrunner]

@Filthy_Immigrant TY for reading. Anytime you can help guys make better decisions when dealing w/ women I believe it's worth the conversation.

[molonski2]

A Friend of mine from North Carolina did this , and man what a successful relationship , believe me , he needed the discipline , she is Chinese , they have 2 children , been together 15 years , the house is now clean.

I think for some it certainly works , not for everybody , I see many over here ( Thailand ) , its just not suited to the whole USA thing.

[misogynistic_pig]

No, the so-called traditional women are really just women who want their husbands to support them so they don't have to work.

Chinese and Filipinas like the woman in the picture are really just women looking for American residency or rich husband, they will pretend to be submissive as long as you give them your money. Those women will marry any American man even if he is ugly for the sole purpose of taking his money.

Men idealize the women of the past, but in reality these women were the same as the contemporary ones, only they pretended to be submissive because they did not want to work.

In summary, traditional women are the women that every man should avoid, this because they perpetuate gender roles that harm men.

[misogynistic_pig]

The only traditional women that are actually suitable for marriage are women from Islamic countries where the man has absolute power over the woman, eg. Saudi Arabia.

[Bionee]

So true. Chinese women pretend to be nice and sweet but they are so loud and aggressive once exposed and they only want a white man to stay in the country and fetishize over them. They even give themselves English names lol

[Miristheiss]

Probably if they want a virtuous woman who values being a mom and values marriage.

The U. S. mainly has whores that are obsessed with being victims, girls obsessed with work, sleeping around, hook ups, girls night at the club, obsessed with all rights but zero responsibility. They are obsessed with open relationships, polyamory, having a hoe faze and sleeping around and "finding themselves", being only fans whores and Instgram attention seekers.

Who can find a classy, virtuous woman in the west? They are like unicorns. All you can find is loud mouthed, foul mouthed feminists who hate men and are online sex prostitutes, having body counts of 50 by age 25. Yeah how "empowered"

I am exaggerating... but only by a little.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Now why don’t you break down all the issues with the men in the US🤔

[Miristheiss]

@Brainsbeforebeauty
Sure but that would be another thread. One topic at a time.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Never mind if it’s as misconstrued/misguided/ untrue as your “take” on women is😊

[Miristheiss]

@Brainsbeforebeauty
Oh dear, a woman disagrees. Heaven forbid.
She feels U. S. women aren't drunks, at clubs, sleeping around, on Onlyfans.
I guess I have them mixed with with Chinese women.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Don’t put the sins of some on all… there’s bad men out there too… Bad people period… But there’s still good people out there too…

[Pegases]

Yes. Women tend to be pickier than men, so I see no problem with a man choosing to go somewhere else to find what he wants if he can't find it here. Too often women here like to demonize men for their preferences, but if a woman says she wants a man that is over 6 feet, makes above 100k a year, and the typical laundry list of requirements women tend to have, they then tell men that complain about it that they need to level up.. Its hypocritical for any woman to bash men for their preferences, but its become the norm. That being said, if you're a man that understands what a traditional woman requires from you, then you're entitled to like what you like, just like women are, and go wherever you need to to get it.

[Agape93]

If they want to, sure. But it's not necessary. They need to make it appealing for a woman. No woman wants to be a jobless housewife with kids, when the dude makes shit money to support the family sufficiently or has an awful personality.

I mean, would you like to be in that situation with someone abusive? Or someone working as a night manager at gamestop? No, of course not. Those are both untenable for a good home and family life and wellbeing

[coachTanthony]

Was this supposed to be a response to another comment or something? LMAO who in the world is saying you have to do any of that?