What kind of guys do women hate the most?

[Anonymous]

[BoobSlayer]

Firstly, understand that women, just like @ro-sterbreastㅤ, and other beta males are looking for genuine connections and respect in relationships. Hence, the type of guys who tend to elicit negative reactions from women are those who lack authenticity and display disrespectful behavior. These are the individuals who constantly objectify women, reducing them to mere melons, boobies, tits, milkers, fried eggs, chesticles, honkers, bazoombas, coconuts, fiery biscuits, cantaloupes, boom booms, and jugs. melons, boobies, tits, milkers, fried eggs, chesticles, honkers, bazoombas, coconuts, fiery biscuits, cantaloupes, boom booms, and jugs.

Furthermore, women often dislike men who exhibit excessive arrogance and display a superior attitude. These are the chesticles who believe they possess an unparalleled wisdom and do not hesitate to impose their opinions on others. Their honkers are put up high on a pedestal, and they act as if their own perspective is the only valid one.

Another type of person women tend to dislike are those who lack emotional intelligence and fail to understand their partner's needs and emotions. These individuals may be oblivious to the importance of empathy and compassion in building meaningful connections.

Women detest men who exhibit controlling and possessive behavior. Relationships should be based on trust, freedom, and mutual understanding, rather than fiery biscuits which restrict personal growth and independence.

Additionally, a notable characteristic that may not fare well with women is a lack of ambition and drive. Women are often attracted to individuals who have aspirations such as growing melons and cantaloupes and fondling them each day.

Lastly, women may find it difficult to connect with individuals who exhibit poor communication skills. Women value open and honest communication even with cum covered lips as it promotes understanding and builds a chesticular connection.

[BoobSlayer]

@ro-sterbreast

[RoοstеrBrеаst]

My bad, master. I will work on becoming more Alpha by listening to this daily www. youtube. com/watch? v=dG5cZzbKvW0

[RoοstеrBrеаst]

Let me try replying, ﾠ@boobslayer

[RoοstеrBrеаst]

Nowﾠ@boobslayer I can't mention ﾠ @boobslayer

[mobiusforniner]

@boobslayer the part on emotional intelligence is interesting. Its a quality required for effective leadership but i haven't seen it applied in a relationship context before. It makes perfect sense however. The ability for a man to be aware of and control. his own emotions while genuinely understanding a womans feelings is probably the centerpiece to any relationship. It probably explains why charismatic leaders are often considered "alphas" and command the attention of many women.

Well done, boobslayer. I feel incredible inspiration and enthusiasm in my bosom

[BoopBoopBeep]

@RoοstеrBrеаst Haha, "y'all" okay?

[blueonblack22]

It’s any man who makes a woman feel threatened or uncomfortable.

The thing is I’ve seen woman go to weird extremes on this based on their “feelings”. They will make up excuses for blatantly abusive violent sh*thead guys if the guy is able to press one of their “emotional buttons”. Then they will treat another guy like he is less than human just because they get a bad “feeling” around him despite him never doing anything to threaten or harm them.

To be fair men are capable of making unfair judgments when we are emotionally manipulated as well. But we usually are better at withholding judgment if it’s just a woman we just find annoying, weird and/or unattractive. We might not like them but we won’t treat them like they are less than human.

[Dysney1023]

Rapists and unhealed ones. The ones who use people. The ones who are always on their phone. Like put your phone down and let’s enter the real world. Mean guys, selfish guys, guys who find something wrong with what I’m saying guys. Super unhygienic guys, fake nice guys, manipulative guys, guys who don’t care about other peoples mental health, cheaters, liars, egotistical. 🤢 Super straightforward and just being a decent human, you look like a plausible friend to me. Oooo and pushy guys. Guys who don’t respect me when I say no thanks and keep pushing. Moral is please go to therapy and grow as a person regardless of gender. We all stumble as none of us are perfect. But be man or woman enough to own it and change. ^_^ thank you for this question. I hope it opens up a conversation for both genders to discuss.

[love_conquers_lust]

Jesus christ. You just categorized probably every single guy alive. Any god damn comment can’t feel like an insult with enough sensitivity and creativity. Is that your answer to everything? When your behavior pisses them off, it’s always them and THEY need to go to therapy? What if the therapists say there is nothing wrong with them and they reacted like any human being would? And in fact, it’s you.

[Dysney1023]

Lol it’s funny how you assume I don’t go to therapy. I’m looking for an equal. Meaning I practice all these things myself. And yes isn’t it crazy all men are rapists and unhealed. Lol I didn’t realize my standards were so high. Jkjk I will never lower my standards. The problem can be solved with therapy. Only a fool would assume the other person is the problem all the time. I already look inward. In fact to the point where I assume I am the problem all the time. I don’t need a man to tell me I am the problem too when I’m not.

[Dysney1023]

Also this proves you don’t go to therapy. Because there is no person out there in this universe that cannot work on themselves. Therapists are the best at pinpointing the problems we have as humans and guiding us through them. If you don’t understand then you don’t. I highly recommend you try it if you’re looking to develop yourself. No one is perfect. But you can train to be better. Therapy is a work out for your brain. Why not try to be the best human you can be. I hate lazy guys who don’t think there is anything wrong with them. Lol go to therapy and find out how unhealed you really are.

[love_conquers_lust]

They’re paid by you. There’s already a conflict of interest right off the bat. I’d care more about the opinion of a therapist I paid to evaluate you. And in fairness, I’d let yours evaluate me. I wouldn’t give a shit because I’m not ashamed of my beliefs.

Fucking second, not everyone can afford therapists. So where the fuck does that leave the poor when you stuck up, snotty bitches say “go to therapy”. I think what scares women most when they talk to me, is their grievances don’t outweigh mine. Which is typical, given that’s how you treat each other as well and why you can’t get along. Then run to men to settle the dispute. But now, in a world of equalization, now you’re going to be stuck resolving your own issues. There’s no one to run to in a world run by women because, you are at the top. It’s YOU who has to figure shit out.

[love_conquers_lust]

I thinks it’s funny YOU assumed I ASSUMED you didn’t go to therapy. There was no literal indication of such. There’s definitely an ass here between the two of us, I can give you a hint who it isn’t.

[Dysney1023]

Lol so what you’re saying is I should give up my standards of wanting a man who has been to therapy? I just find it funny when people make excuses of why they’re unhealed. Well if you can’t find a therapist that is honest or enough money there are other ways. Such as not being pig headed. And learning from how others treat others and how you desire to be treated. All super elementary and meta. But lol I value that stuff so sorry if that doesn’t coincide with your own values.

[Dysney1023]

Lol you’re an abusive prick no wonder your a sad lonely brat on here. Go cry to mommy.

[Dysney1023]

Lol 😂 you’re literally taking such offence to something so personal.

[love_conquers_lust]

No. I’m saying what if the therapist is more concerned with your continued business then actually healing you?

I don’t mind being unhealed, scarred, or broken anymore. It’s a part of who I am. I’m grateful for what it’s taught me.

[Dysney1023]

Also I see you’ve been getting offended by so many simple comments. Lol you think you’re a man because why you like to argue? Hahahahahaha proof in my point I won’t date anyone who hasn’t been to therapy. I’m not in your country by the way. I have benefits. I want my husband to have benefits too

[love_conquers_lust]

To your other two comments, go tell them to your therapist. Kick a wounded dog on your way there.

[Dysney1023]

Just shows how far I have come in therapy. I don’t kick animals. Unless they bite me. I will fight back. Same with humans. You’re not a victim. You spoke disrespectful I will fight back.

[love_conquers_lust]

Good for you, then you probably shouldn’t speak on the issue, should you?

[love_conquers_lust]

You don’t get to be the sole arbiter on what a man is anymore. You’ve lost that privilege. That’s what equality it is. Swallow it.

[Dysney1023]

Oh no. I will ^_^ I will talk on all the issues my heart desires. And fight for myself and the people I care about. No one should have to put up with unhealed crap. No human is so broken that they can’t be helped. Even you. You need help it sounds like. So do everything you can to fight for yourself

[Dysney1023]

And again I’m not from America. We don’t have those issues you guys do with feminism. Or at least I could care less. I love my fellow Canadians. We just live our lives and say hi to everyone. No discrimination.

[love_conquers_lust]

We have a wealth distribution problem. It’s the black hole that’s sucking all other issues into it. Feminism is one of them.

I don’t see Canada as an enemy, but you guys can’t speak on our issues. You’re insulated from it while we deal with it. The world’s on the edge of their seat watching what the fuck we’re going to do here in America. And if you are not, you haven’t been paying attention.

[love_conquers_lust]

Affirmative Action stands in the way of that. The white male voting block is needed to make actual positive change to benefit everyone. We need help from Europe, and we need to cut out the cancer that’s been slowly killing us in that law. It’s bad for everyone, including diversity proponents.

[Dysney1023]

I don’t pay attention because it’s depressing. How would that benefit me? I cannot speak on it because I am not following it. I know. I just don’t understand what feminism has to do with my comment. I listed things that make a mean spirited person or even a monster. If you can’t agree. That’s the issue here. How can you not agree a rapist is not disgusting. Or a liar or cheater?

[Dysney1023]

My one friend follows US politics way more. But my comment is still logical. And also I dislike flaky men. My ex was flaky and he was also dumb.

[Dysney1023]

He couldn’t talk about the deep stuff. All surface level. So he’s going on my list.

[love_conquers_lust]

I never said such things nor will I ever say such things. That’s not love. That’s control over another. Liars, cheaters, rapists. All wrong. They have underlying issue that need to be addressed. And god forbid, forgiven, once they have not only repented, but learned.

It’s not appealing to me at all for a woman to just do what she’s told without thinking. That’s not empowering. It’s empowering to be given the right to even argue at all. 100 years ago, you weren’t even afforded that. You’d get smacked. I can’t think of a worse personal hell than being attracted to something that can do harm to you. For the majority of human history, female, and male, human survival, depended on it. We have it better than our ancestors did. Though they’re still some major kinks that need to be worked out.

[Dysney1023]

But even if they’ve repented and learned they’ve damaged another human being. They should be put through the same hell they brought upon that person too. But you did say that’s like every man. Every man what? Is a rapist liar and cheater? Or what? What did I say that is like every man? I would never forgive a evil human who cheated or raped another human being!!! There is no excuse. I’m black and white with stuff like that. It’s insane. I hate the people who do mess people up and then just walk away like they did nothing wrong. Oh and murderers. I hate those men too. I am glad we don’t live in a time like that anymore. I’d stay an old maid if I was.

[love_conquers_lust]

Well, I know for a fact not every man is a liar, cheater, or rapist. I just can’t speak to EVERY man. It’s not humanly possible. But damnnit, if every man or woman I encounter repeatedly exhibits the same negative behavior, I get mad at them just for justifying a stereotype.

Punishments should fit the crime. They all can be forgiven. But the victim has to choose to. Otherwise, the victim can hold moral high ground over them for life, which can be torture to both parties if guilt is lorded over them. But I would respect every victim’s right to want to dissociate themselves with cheaters or rapists permanently. That’s not a reflection on them. You don’t say shit like “oh, you haven’t really forgiven them.” Forgive, but never forget. Liars can be dealt with as long as they didn’t cause major harm. Rapists get jail time. Murder is cut and dry if it was premeditated and unprovoked. Their life is forfeit to life in prison or the death penalty if they can’t be financed/accommodated.

[love_conquers_lust]

I reread what you said and think I flew off the handle lost in interpretation. That was my fault. Sorry.

[love_conquers_lust]

Some of the other things you said were irritating. Like getting off the phone, which I agree with, and finding something wrong with what you’re saying, or putting a “🤢” before being a straightforward and decent human being.

[jennifer_bloom]

I think it’s disgusting when men objectify woman like they are bank machines. I used to like a guy who appeared to be a nice guy at bible study and he described me as an unemployed person as if I was a different species of human altogether cause he did not believe I would make any money from my authorship career so to him that was no different from being jobless. I now wonder if his entire personality was fake and used to get girls. I also find him physically repulsive, was never attracted to his body or face but used to overlook that cause I thought he was the good person he presented himself as being.

[MzAsh]

The controlling ones
The low effort but think they deserve the world guys
The angry, everything’s everyone else’s fault guy

[love_conquers_lust]

With Affirmative Action, and if he’s a white male, he has a point if he’s angry. Because he’s right, especially if he was born after 1964.

To your other points, American women have a major problem with those.

I guess everyone can be assholes

[Anonymous]

[worldscolide]

And we found the female incel

[Opinion Owner]

@love_conquers_lust proving my fourth post.

[love_conquers_lust]

Well I guess that settles it. I guess that makes you right…

What a load of shit. Or perhaps it’s because you are too scared to speak up or don’t give a shit yourselves. No, you call it “empathhyyyyyy”. Guys ARE trying to EMPATHIZE by bringing up stats that show it happens to the other gender too, trying to see things through YOUR lens. And all your dumb sexist, selfish ass can do is say exactly what I said in other posts, “it’s about meeeee”. Fuck your feelings.

[TheSpaceGnome]

That bottom pic, it actually is a spouses job to do that. Therapy is a scam, your spouse is supposed to be the one who makes you happy even when everything else is falling apart. Thats the whole point of marrying someone, to make eachother happy, even in the worst of times.

Dude needs to lay off the cocaine, its rotting his mind. 😂

[Opinion Owner]

@TheSpaceGnome 😵

[Opinion Owner]

@love_conquers_lust if you think I'm going to read that giant paragraph... Which I am assuming you are ranting in. You really think I care that much?

[love_conquers_lust]

The one that’s 1/4 the total length of the crap you posted? Or a post that got reported and removed by someone who was too focused on their own feelings? Like I said, “meeeeeeeeee”.

[Opinion Owner]

@love_conquers_lust blah blah blah every time you reply I'm not even going to read it. You are wasting your time. Why you mad bro?

[love_conquers_lust]

Yes, education is wasted on you. I respect your right to be ignorant. I can’t make you think. Too bad.

[Opinion Owner]

@love_conquers_lust I was joking with the pictures. I'm sorry.

[Billlewis]

My guess is the type they despise most are the ones who inflate their purported favorability and value to attract a woman, only to inevitably disappoint her.

To be viewed as a viable relationship partner, a guy must have one of two things going for him -- good looks and sexual appeal, or the necessary resources to provide luxury for the female.

[RavVid]

Hate is too strong a word and mostly we put women into "Not Interested" bucket and think no more of them.

There are quite a number of female archetypes that I would immediately put into that bucket.

1 Stupid foolish woke views.

2 Stupid foolish left views that f we only did this it will be rainbows and unicorns

3 Misandry

There are quite a lot more but that will do for a start.

[Anonymous]

The ones that want virgins when he isn’t a virgin himself. That ones that think men are better than women and subjugates women.
The ones like Myron Gaines

[Sasha0426]

Wait, what’s wrong with a guy being ok with virgins when he’s not one?

[Opinion Owner]

@Sasha0426
No that’s fine. If he is, he deserves a virgin

[love_conquers_lust]

That’s sensible. He shouldn’t be entitled and thus expect one if he isn’t one himself.

[Sasha0426]

Oh, expect one. That makes more sense.

[Mewzinc]

Confused? I get why if the guy whored himself around he doesn't deserve a virgin at the end when he's ready to settle. I don't know about you if you are waiting for religious reasons. But, in the bible, both genders should be waiting. Like the guy who slept around, he doesn't deserve a virgin because he has zero self respect or control.

[Opinion Owner]

@mewzinc
you should say that to guys like him: https://www.girlsaskguys.com/user/reichmann75

[Sasha0426]

Oh, I’ve butted heads with him before. He’s just a troll 😂

[Opinion Owner]

@Sasha0426 What has he said to you

[Sasha0426]

He commented on a post about how short guys don’t get a chance in the dating world, etc. And then he went on about how he would want his partner to abort his kid if it were a boy because he didn’t want his kid to have a bad life because of his height. I told him he needed to help and it went downhill from there.

[Sasha0426]

*he needed help

[Sasha0426]

We got into this massive fight on his reply. Then I realized he was trolling.

[Opinion Owner]

@Sasha0426
Yeah a lot of creepy preds on here, But im exposing all of them on my instagram.

[Mewzinc]

He's European, enough said on that. European men are pretty toxic. Do you remember that really old story about a French woman who was walking somewhere in France. A French guy goes up to her and starts catcalling her and saying really rude and sexual stuff. Maybe at one point he was saying compliments but he just kept going on and on. And she was ignoring him and just kept walking, wanting him to leave her alone. He literally followed her and wouldn't leave her alone. Then he gets angry eventually and slaps her across the face. He blames her for that. The audacity... So I'm not surprised that guy is from France or Europe for that matter.

[Sasha0426]

Hold up now. I have friends who are European and they’re nothing like that. Also, American guys are no better because they do the same thing.

[Mewzinc]

@Sasha0426 European men that you are friends with? I agree, American men can be pretty bad as well, good point.

[Opinion Owner]

@Sasha0426
@mewzinc
Oh hell no. thats why I carry. XD
I dare some imbecile to put his hands on me... LOL... he's gonna end up metting his maker!

[Mewzinc]

Dang girl! Lol 😆 I respect that.

[Opinion Owner]

@Mewzinc

[Rei13]

I strongly dislike self proclaimed ‘nice guys’ since most of them are not actually nice and can be pretty manipulative. Murderers, rapists, etc would be the worst however

[Nikki1989]

Controlling misogynists that think they know women.

It is the ones that think they know the most that actually know the least, and this site throws up evidence of that every damn day.

[shyangel335]

My personal experience - women are more emotional than men and men think it’s a stupid thing or worthless to show emotions. They find those women weak who gets emotional or can’t hold tears if they are hurt in love. I hate these kind of men.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Thats not true, its just that being irrational/overly emotional is bad.

Emotions are good, people need them, but if you throw a tantrum like a child, or fight over trivial things, or can't talk about anything constructively or logically, thats bad.

[shyangel335]

Ofcourse, no one likes childish behavior but generally I have noticed that men doesn’t like emotional women.

[D_Bone_Steak]

They hate men like me behind a keyboard... but they get on their knees in real life. Meh... I can't take people seriously when they will do one thing and then say another.

[Anonymous]

Guys they cannot control. Women learn very early on to manipulate men through feminine wiles, with words, with sexual flirtations, etc.. When you take that away from a woman you've taken away her arsenal. And if she doesn't even know how to be a decent human being, (because some women NEVER develop that part of thier personality) she realizes she completely f***ed.

[OfMiceandMen]

I would venture a guess and say, guys who play games with their hearts/minds, are unreliable and never want to commit to a relationship, as that may tie them down.

[devilish-cutie]

I personally hate dihonest, flaky ones and sexsist disrespectful pushy ones...

[MikeInHawaii]

They say they hate narcissistic, chest thumping, strutting ass hole womanizers. But these are the guys they jump into bed with the fastest.
Are we judging whom they hate by their words or by their actions?

[EmmaMary]

Those that are so self conceited, arrogant, egotistical and are so far up their own backsides.

[A_Bell]

Guys who spend all weekend watching football instead of living life.

[BunBun369]

The one I am literally in the same room with 😂😂😂. He's just a gross liar.

[Marcuslrh]

😂and your still sat in a room with him 😂

[BunBun369]

Well he ain't my gross liar 🤣🤣

[Marcuslrh]

Fair enough 😂

[CoolCatMar1]

Stalkers who send flowers and don't show up ever and don't say who they are. Or leave weird messages to you on a paper. So weird

[CoolCatMar1]

I have seen one series about such incident and it creeped me out as well.

[Unit1]

Unattractive men, that ask them out.

Attractive men, that don't ask them out.

Men, who were born penniless like me.

[Fireguy17]

I would say players.
They act all sincere, but are only after getting laid.

[clampfan101]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/2mjuhT1vrmc

Cheaters?

[magiusX26]

according to most of the loudest activists and feminists, straight, white, older, male.

[dolemite58]

guys who are good looking but think their looks bring as much to the table as a woman’s looks do.

[coffeeeholic]

Those who are sexist and unrespectful. Also the guys who always think they're right.

[TallAnon]

Child raping murderers? What kind of question is this? Lmao

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Sexist and misogynistic men. Women seriously tend to hate these kinda men I have noticed.

[Anonymous]

Men who don't waste their money and time on women, like me.

[Anonymous]

A man with preferences and a back bone. A man who will stand up for him self.

[Bilboes]

Probably incels, creeps and degenerates..

[Bricealan]

Ones that ask thoughtless questions?

[Yannishka]

The rude ones. And insecure ones.

[genericname85]

the guy that's too nice.

[Anonymous]

The creepy ones and the fuckboys.

[KrakenAttackin]

Women LOVE fuck boys, which is how they get to be fuck boys.

[Opinion Owner]

They hate em afterwards though.

[KrakenAttackin]

But they go right back to them.

[Opinion Owner]

Not the women I know. Once they been with a fuckboy they go to a good guy because fuckboys fuck them over.

[love_conquers_lust]

You think it’s fair to run to nice guys after exercising poor judgment and expect them to accept your baggage?

[KrakenAttackin]

OP... BS, women chase fuck boys like crazy

[HiveBee]

Women have sex with fuck boys BECAUSE they hate them.

It is a humiliation and degradation kink that most women have.

She feels like shit, to give up her pussy to a man who believes he is God's gift to women.

But the reality is he is not special at all he just thinks he is.

It pisses them off and makes them feel horrible about being attracted to him.

Which gets her even wetter.

The more degrading you get, the more the ladies get wet.

They will tell all the beta males "no! We only want to be degraded in the safety of the bedroom!"

Well you don't have too many men who understand that. That's why the girls have no choice but to get satisfied by the worst men that they hate. Because it's the only way she can cum, is to be degraded by a man who doesn't deserve her but acts like he does and he really thinks he is special.

I know the ladies will deny this and the men won't understand.

[love_conquers_lust]

@HiveBee Give it a rest man. This alpha/beta shit is too much in your head.

[KrakenAttackin]

@HiveBee Interesting theory.

[HiveBee]

It's not red pill it's not alpha/beta. I learned these things from women in a 99% female environment. Not that anyone believes that.

[KrakenAttackin]

@HiveBee Your theory fits some pieces to the overall female puzzle I have observed. I know Chad does whatever he wants in bed with women, far more than her husband/boyfriend is allowed to do with her. If Chad wants anal, he gets anal. If Chad wants to face fuck her until she gags, he does it and she allows it.

[HiveBee]

Any man can do those things. It's just most men are clueless.

The Chad theoretically, can NOT be dominant with a woman, and please her on her level with some vanilla sex.

But most dudes can't do the dominant part. It's very hard to understand why women want to be abused in the bedroom.

It's a common trope. Everyone knows about it. But men don't FEEL it so we can't understand it.

[KrakenAttackin]

@HiveBee You need to do a mytake on this.

[HiveBee]

I learned so much from women. I want to make a YouTube channel to help dudes with dating lol.

I feel like all of the dating advice is utter shit. Red pill or blue pill it is all trash.

[love_conquers_lust]

@HiveBee Dude. I think the key factor here is effort and attention. The girls who go for that are insecure and lazy in judging character themselves or gluttons for punishment. They think these dudes are old school manly men who provide by fighting for what's theirs. They're is use for being confident and standing up for yourself, in some situations. But, they have deficits in lacking balance. In the end, these guys end up taking more from the girls than other men they supposedly appeared to be confident in doing. They also have some weird, gender obligation to “fix” idiots who act like that as is they get credit for turning him “good”. It's like a game. It's just another form of control and it doesn't work.

[HiveBee]

I would say that they simply learned early on what works and they weaponize it and use it for free sex with women.

The women know that they're being manipulated and they know that the guy is using her.

She also knows that he knows that she knows.

Each person is fully aware of the dynamic.

It is a turn on for her, for her to know, that he knows, that she is powerless to stop from being used, because she is addicted to the bad behavior that he displays, on purpose, because he knows female nature, and that female nature is to desire submission.

I'm just giving all the secrets away I should be selling this shit lol.

[KrakenAttackin]

@HiveBee Brutal truth and very concise. It also explains why women detest nice guys who they marry... which explains why they divorce great men for no reason other than "being bored" in the relationship.

[Iron_Man]

The pic creeps

[shades777]

fat ones unless your super tall,

[Chthou95]

Men who don't put them on a pedestal

[Static_In_The_Attic]

Nice Guys!

[whistlingwh0res]

Poor men especially in the USA

[whistlingwh0res]

@love_conquers_lust America is 5e land of opportunities

[love_conquers_lust]

What the hell is 5e?

[whistlingwh0res]

@love_conquers_lust the shitty iPad typo

[slatyb]

Men without empathy.

[Wonderingguyy]

Creeps

[Anonymous]

Disrespectful men

[Bloopbloopbloop]

Fuck boys for sure

[DextroShade]

Beta males.

[kittygalsblogx]

unhygienic ones

[Breebree8]

Violent ones