I'm bad at standing up for myself but great at standing up for people I love. So I'd say I'm in between.
Wbu? Does it depend on who you're standing up to/for?
I'm bad at standing up for myself but great at standing up for people I love. So I'd say I'm in between.
Wbu? Does it depend on who you're standing up to/for?
I’ve actually spent most of my life confronting people and defending those around me, as well as myself. I made a career of actually standing up to “bullies”. It translates into real life a little different but I’m quick to defend those I care about…I don’t back down!
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I am usually the one who stays calm… It works wonders…
It is like blowing the raging volcano with your calmness.
It almost always makes them feel relaxed and want to communicate their anger in a healthier way.
Second, I use humor, during confrontations, to ease the situation.
Third, I solve verbally by making all of their arguments look miserable next to my arguments…
But, I don’t like that, I prefer peace and solving the problem by sharing each other our feelings, instead of me making them feel like surrendering in front of me because of my strong arguments.
There’s no joy in it for me, mainly because even if I win, I dislike arguments so much, they still keep me exhausted, so I win by calmness, you be calm and they’ll surrender.
Also, I feel like mostly arguments are not caused by logic, but rather - feelings.
I like to address and tend those feelings.
But in a real confrontation, they’d rather meet the rock face to face, instead of me. I can be ruthless.
Which I rarely have had to do, because I am always good at solving them before they get serious.
Aggressive action = Aggressive response
What you do is perfect , similar to myself..
Tiny unimportant example USA guy ( Loud ) , Open air restaurant " THERE ARE ANTS ON MY TABLE , you got fking ants on this table " - at that time of year yes , the tiny ants come..
Me or how you do it - ( Quietly ) " Nong Krub , kop khun krub , you have wipes? I will just wipe down table , bcoz dry season moot come , very hard stop " .. I can do..
Point 1 -- She is annoyed by this aggressive confrontation , and its just rude. You will pay another way
Example 2 - Of course she will not allow me to wipe the table , she comes removes all , wipes down with precision - Oh Sorry khun David - " Mai pen rai , Cannot stop mott at this time "
Simple example , but this is the stuff that happens , its all about how you express it , never demand , never confront.
@molonski2 Yep… You must be good at negotiations. That was my forte in a law faculty. I am quite fearless generally, so I am not scared by arguments, but rather I don’t see how they benefit me other than possibly feeding my ego because I’ll win…
I have won enough times, I don’t care about that.
Even if I win, that doesn’t guarantee I’ll get an outcome that I want.
By calmness- you can twist the opponent in a way, that they will surrender you, without having their ego hurt, they’ll not be feeling like surrendering…
They’ll feel like it’s their idea, it’s also beneficial for them and I’ll get the outcome that I wanted from the very beginning- without losing my face.
Now, if this strategy doesn’t work, I won’t shy away to be direct, straightforward and not so nice :) Because quite honestly, I am not that nice… I am just trying to act like a decent human…
But if I see an opponent is a worthy one, I act very direct right from the beginning, so they don’t misread and they won’t mess with the wrong person.
Yes , thats the exact key in conflict resolution , I was fortunate to Study this and it helped me a lot , and it sure helped me here , you do not confront , you reason and work to an outcome. You cannot bring two parties together , unless both feel they have had a win.
And as you say , What's the point in winning a pure argument? I over power you , or the other way around , we are both still really pissed and we just suppress those emotions and seek revenge , that's how nearly ever bad thing happens , there is mostly fault on both sides. You learn in debating , to present your case , and to never attack the individual.
@molonski2 Haha, yep.
Oh yes, and actually if you make them feel like they win - they can basically become your puppets. If you want.
They’ll be overjoyed by the positive feelings caused by winning and will easily give in…
@molonski2 I am cleaning the home and taking the trash down now. Will answer my solution in private messages once I am done.
Not sure if I'm good at it but it's not difficult for me to do. The difficult part is keeping my composure if people get aggressive. I feel my body prepping for war when that happens. And that's bad because I might invite it just for the thrill of it. But they have to swing first.
50/50…. verbally, I wish I was better. I’m good at talking shit when I play sports, although if I want to, I can get kinda mean, and at the end of the day, it’s just sports and it’s not that serious, or shouldn’t be. But in regular life, I feel like I let a lot of things slide. Sometimes that’s good, but it can be a shot to my pride.
My biggest thing is I don’t have “medium-mad.” I go straight from passive into aggressive, there’s no “assertive” in the middle. Like the second things escalate, I might just be like “ok, cool, or maybe I’ll just put you in a fucking coma.”🤦♂️😂 I should probably make more of an effort in debating my way through a disagreement, haha. Fortunately, at this point in my life, I’m not faced with those situations as often as when I was younger.
Physically….. different story. I kind of seek out confrontation when I play hockey, or not really seek it out, but I’m not that mad when it happens. Honestly, it’s probably the healthiest outlet I have for aggression. You can do things on the ice you’d catch a charge for if you did it at a bar or in the street. And usually it’s all peace afterwards, nobody gets cut up or shot up outside of the rink.
I’m kind of protective by nature, so usually I’ll be standing up for teammates. Often, it isn’t physical, I just skate over and basically be a presence, because more often than not I’m one of the big guys on the ice, and the smaller guys will chill out. But if you mess with a teammate, I’m the first one in there, I consider that to be my role on the team. Most of these guys are just out for a night of exercise and a night away from the wife and kids, there are just a handful of idiots, and I think of myself as an in-between…. not out there to start shit, but definitely enough of an idiot to step in and be the one to get physical. And I’m lying if I said I don’t enjoy a lot of it😂
Honestly, it’s fun to have video of yourself mixing it up, lmao, like what other venue in life do we get to go back and see footage of ourselves in action. It’s like $19/month for this service that’s a network of rink cameras, at least all over North America, not sure if they have it overseas yet in hockey-playing areas. I’ll never stop paying for it, hahaha. If you or anyone else does anything cool, crazy, or embarrassing, it’s all on tape. We have a lot of fun with in group texts with teams I’ve played on, clowning on someone for a spectacular fall or clumsy mistake😂 I wish we had this service in all venues of life😝
Glad you like the gifs though! I post them fairly frequently, I’m sure others are like “Dude…we get it…you play hockey and get in dumb fights…ENOUGH WITH THE GIFS”😂 But I also wouldn’t assume everyone is just reading all of my posts, so hopefully it isn’t too redundant to most. My life is in a shambles right now other than hockey, just let me have this😂😂😂
But yeah, I love it…. but they do know me as “Crazy Steve” in that league, lmfao. One of the guys is always saying they should keep a dart gun on hand to shoot me up with an anti-psychotic medication when I go nuts🤦♂️💀💀💀 I’m sure a few guys would dance with me, but I’ve had a few guys tell me they’d never dream of it. One guy I play with now who used to play against me was talking about a situation where I went off, and he said “I just said ‘NOPE!’ and skated in the other direction.” I love to hear it, haha, but that’s probably overselling how tough I am😝 But yeah, it’s a great outlet, as well as great exercise, and there’s not a lot of places I can say that about at my age, haha.
My memory perspective of that last gif is just a first-person view of getting punched in the face, then just kind of blacking out, maybe I remember a flurry of green and yellow jerseys, and then I remember having a strong grip on the kid’s jersey after we fell, and someone yanking me away by the back of the pants. Kinda hurt my thumb, I realized later, haha. The gif perspective on the other hand…. I want that played on a loop at my funeral😂😂😂
Life…. forgive me for going sad sack for a minute here, I’m really a good-times guy, that’s why I’m here, to NOT wallow, but sometimes I have to go into here to explain a perspective I might have on something, so it’s always there. Anyway…. my girlfriend of 17 years has been very sick for like 12-14 of them, really. She was suffering from symptoms brought on by something called “protracted withdrawal” from benzodiazepines she was prescribed all of her adult life. There’s a whole bunch of science-y stuff I won’t bore you with and probably couldn’t even properly explain it. But the end result is a nightmare, especially once she figured out the pills were causing her issues, and then it got so, SO much worse after she stopped taking them. Literally would not wish this on Hitler himself.
If you have time for a quick video, this is a 2:30 long trailer for documentary trying to highlight this issue. “Experts” are oblivious, in denial, or taking too much bonus money to address it, so the people who put you on it don’t know how to get you off it correctly. Honestly, most of these people seem to be having an easier go of it than my lady. Maybe that one white dude with the beard, talking about “I may as well be dead.” That’s more where she’s at.
https://youtu.be/mu2q9A5tJJM?si=6tZ1qi6dyhmncMp9
So, I can never really have a normal life or relationship with her, but I wouldn’t leave her over it either, so I’m just kind of stuck in this almost decade-and-a-half limbo where I have a relationship but it’s just not really functional, it’s mostly hardship. All the good stuff you do in relationships…. we can’t do almost any of it. So…. that wears on me a lot, after this long, and who knows when or if it will end. I kind of have had to come to terms with the fact that just might be how she is for the rest of our lives. That really sucks for me, and even worse for her, so I’m just kind of faced with this life of eternal despair that neither of us deserved, not to sound too dramatic.
So in turn, I have to beat people up to try to feel good, lmfao
Damn.. that's so scary. I didn't know it was that big of a problem. My grandpa has taken valium his whole life now too and went to rehab a couple of times. Best of luck to both you and your lady! Maybe life will get better one day.. I can believe that's very difficult for you. I'm glad you've found an outlet.
Very scary. This documentary is meant to make some noise and make changes. Benzos don’t affect everyone like this, but it happens to more people than you realize, and the doctors won’t listen, people don’t know what to do. My girl was in an online support group for this stuff years back, and someone would kill themselves like every three weeks. And it just gets chalked up as a run-of-the-mill suicide, not a result of this syndrome. One woman from the group had had cancer, went through FOUR rounds of chemotherapy…. she said she’d do those and four MORE rounds before she even did benzo withdrawal ONCE. It’s absolutely crazy, and no one is abusing it, they’re just taking their prescription. Unbelievable.
Anyway, thank you for the kind wishes. I think she’s improving, but it’s a very long road, and at an unfortunate time of life to be dealing with it. She lost her entire 30s to this, hardly left the house, in bed half the time. So…hopefully the improvement continues, she is feeling a bit more like herself, but she never knows what each day will bring. Hopefully she’s more functional and can resume living her life sooner rather than later.
Ok, enough depressing stuff, that’s my limit, lmao. Bad news though…. I have a game in a couple hours, might have to bang someone out😜
No fights, haha, but I did get an assist on a goal, so here’s that (44 on the white team)….
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@Lisia... I have to agree with you on both points... sometimes I am so taken aback, or stunned by someones actions or words that I get caught off guard as to what to say or do... and LATER react by rethinking what I SHOULD have said or done. Sometimes when confronted, we cannot 'think on our feet' and for the moment, cannot respond appropriately. I confronted a thug in his car, pulling his girlfriend by the hair with her screaming, "You're hurting me"... I was in the Police Academy at the time coming home from a class, and did not get my Baton from the car, and this asshole was about 6 foot square, when he jumped out of the car, and if I had the baton, I probably would have struck him several times, and thought about it later. We called police and the coward ran... the girlfriend ran too.
When i was younger I was really bad at it. I hated confrontation. But now I'm very good about it. You have to force yourself to push through the feelings of not wanting to. Because sometimes it's necessary. You'll feel so much better when you do it. Standing up for yourself is soo important.
I great at confrontation , because it does not have to involve aggressive behavior , that will never work anyhow , all you make is far more conflict , but I was involved greatly in conflict resolution in my sales roles in land , and also being here in Thailand ( where you NEVER confront ) , there is a thing called " saving face " , all of these things , its how you approach it , aggressive response = aggressive action , sometimes this is particularly difficult for people from the USA here , but there is none of that " in your face " , you act like that , you will not last long.
Yes. Professionally, I deal with confrontation on a daily basis.
In general, the less that is said, the better. Silence is a powerful weapon and in practice is the ultimate "fuck you" in any confrontation. Most people unconsciously react to confrontation. This comes from an inward need to defend one self. Such reaction demonstrates lacking self control. The ability to take a deep breath and quietly assess whether a response is required, demands a god-like level of self control that those offending have no other option but to offer their begrudging respect.
Yeah I'm old and ugly enough that my tolerance for someone's bullshite is pretty much measured in microns. I have no problem telling people when they're out of line. What are they going to do? Not come to my birthday party? F em. More cake for me and the rescue kittens.
We have fish cakes for their birthdays and adoption day celebrations. MFs wanna trip they can't come to those either.
Pretty much alike you on this.
I really don't care if someone gets verbally offensive against me. I don't even think it's worth it as they're only gonna believe what they wanna believe.
But yes, someone gets rude or disrespectful to people I love, I push to the limits to make them stand in their place. Good thing for them to remember next time they choose to be disrespectful.
I'm much gentler if I'm the one being threatened. I try to diplomatically talk my way out of it.
If someone I care about is being threatened though, I become much more forceful and assertive.
If I use an analogy, say a dog bites my arm. I'd try to get it to stop biting my arm without hurting it. But if a dog bit my wife's arm, I don't care about the dog's safety at all. My wife's safety overrides everything.
Cheers! I'm really skewed that way. For example, a lot of people think I'm crazy but I'm less afraid to drive small vehicles and even motorcycles than very large vehicles. It's because if I make a mistake in a very small vehicle (assuming I'm the only one driving), then I'm the only one that gets hurt. But if I drive a very large vehicle like a truck and make a mistake, then I might hurt everyone else but me.
I'm more afraid to hurt other people than to hurt myself. But if someone I care about is in danger of being hurt, then I go into full protector mode. If I'm the only one in danger of being hurt, I don't find it nearly as important to go into protector mode for myself.
That can be rather tough sometimes! Are you a bit of an adrenaline junkie by any chance? I've often been into extreme sports like this: pic from my early teenage years skating. I didn't even wear pads very often so I had to borrow oversized ones that were falling off to participate in the competition.
But I even enjoy putting my life at risk, maybe in an unhealthy way. I'm not very afraid of getting myself hurt. Yet I am very afraid of hurting other people.
I have learned after marrying my wife though that hurting myself does indirectly hurt her. So I've had to become more responsible and avoid doing daredevil stunts all the time. But it's still counter-intuitive to me to prioritize my own well-being above others. It's something I still need to work on some more.
I wonder if this is common in adrenaline junkies. We might overcome a lot of fear of danger to ourselves but still have that fear of hurting other people.
I'm similar there too! For example, if I'm at a party and smiling and laughing so hard, but I spot even one person out of the corner of my eye who looks sad, I start to feel sad. My friends often say things like, "Dude, why did you get upset all of a sudden?" Then I point to the sad-looking person and they say, "Dude, what? You don't even know him." But I get affected negatively that way by people's "energy". I've become better at overcoming that over the years but it still affects me a little bit.
Like MBTI? I am ENFP on there, like this:
Oh nice -- mediator type! My wife is the same. It seems like both ENFP and INFP tend to be very sensitive towards how other people feel.
That emotional side was tough for me to get over. I used to get angry and upset very easily as a teen. Had to learn how to think very positively and productively, especially given how I get affected even by other people's negative feelings.
Learning about Stoicism helped me a lot, like this:
Buddhism is very similar but tends to involve a lot more spiritual ideas.
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At the core of both is learning to separate what we can and can't control and ultimately learning how to think in more positive ways. Even the words we use in our minds can change how we feel. For example, if we think something is "stressful", that might make us stressed and upset. If we reframe the thought to think something is "challenging", we might not get very upset and stressed and instead feel motivated to tackle the challenge.
It helps especially when you start getting angry to just pause a moment and try to observe the types of angry thoughts that are coming into your mind. Then see if there's a way to challenge and reframe them.
For example, if you have a boyfriend you love and are starting to get angry at him, if you just stop and ask what you really want, shouting might be counter-productive. You probably want to establish mutual understanding in that case. If you just stop yourself and think for a moment about what you really want out of the situation, it will tend to help overcome anger and sadness and help you pick better actions.
I can talk your ear off if you are interested. But that's a start.
Oops, that one Buddhism link didn't seem to want to post properly. Second attempt:
I highly recommend Stoicism in that case! Also Cognitive Behavioral Therapy which is inspired by it. I've never been able to see a professional therapist (psychotherapy is not popular here in Japan, unfortunately), but just learning about these subjects helped me to become my own self-therapist.
It was horrible for the past several years since Japanese took social distancing so seriously over the pandemic. All sorts of places shut down and we had to check body temperatures just to enter a restaurant.
It's only just within the past several months that lots of people finally stopped wearing masks. I'm so relieved just to be able to see more people's faces again! Yet I've become a total homebody in the process. I'm just now getting used to going out more again and seeing people's faces and talking to more people besides my wife, family, close friends, and colleagues.
Took a lot of adjusting! Was quite depressed for the first year or two and envying introverts like yourself and my wife who seemed so totally fine. Then I sort of got used to it; found lots of little hobbies and things to do at home (learned how to make my own pizza at home, e. g.). Now I actually feel kind of shy being around new people! It's weird. I have to get used to it again.
Mine still needs a lot of work. I can never get the dough quite right and don't know if I under-kneaded it, over-kneaded it, under-proofed it, over-proofed it, etc. It seems like there are so many variables involved and I don't know which one needs improvement. 😅
How's life in Belgium? Do you like Jean-Claude Van Damme by any chance? I'm a huge fan but a lot of people I meet from France and Belgium seem to hate him. 😂
I loved Bloodsport and Kickboxer so much as a kid. "Wayarrrgghh!" [round kick]. They're really cheesy but I enjoy watching them a lot even now.
Anyway, it's cool to meet someone on here who's also very empathetic, adrenaline junkie, and pretty close on the MBTI profile at the same time! Nice to meet you.
Much depends on the situation, who is the opponent and how much I care
At work I have no mercy. Iron logic rules.
With people I keep close, I very often take a step back if there is no chance for compromise. There will be other times and opportunities.
But if someone tries fancy stuff with my people, I will fight.
I would say I'm very good at confrontation. The military often makes you cut through the bs to get anything done but you must maintain professional bearing.
However I've found as a civilian I tend to "lack sensitivity" in said situations for myself and on behalf of others
I just realized this was under relationships lol. Unfortunately the same thing applies, I've never been afraid to bring something up and I always try to lower my tone but I have often still come across as insensitive...
Confrontation is just one other thing I’m bad at.😂 I talk a good game to others about what I’d like to do and say but when it comes to actually confronting someone, I turn into a coward pretty quick.
@Beckybooboo I am just like you
I’m not even ashamed of being a coward. I would look ridiculous walking around with black eyes and missing teeth! 😂 I also don’t like getting my hair pulled. Lol
I am and am not good at confrontation. I can stick up for myself and others but I also usually get flustered to the point I make people more laugh than anything.
Standing up for myself yes, confrontation I avoid at all costs by proactively not letting things get to that level
There's two types of confrontation, physical and verbal, I only use the one necessary for the situation, depending on the situation.
Yes escalation is something else tho, normally you have choice when being confrontational on weither you want escalation or not, sometimes being inevitable
Yep, I think you should put the same energy you put protecting your loved ones, protecting yourself as well 💯
It takes stepping out of your comfort zone but once you find comfort in It, it's life changing, either ways I wish you well Lisa, I hope you are doing better.
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yea usually i can very easily stand up for myself & other people
yes, I can usually bring the ship to dock... across the storm
I avoid fights... can do everything to prevent, I rather talk to solve issues, and 99% of the times that's what will happen, and I think that is the best way to deal with a confrontation
definitely not everyone would pick a fight with me but the 1% that have done have been handled properly
most people that are trained and actually know how to fight know best and better to avoid fights...
that, and also... not being impulsive and stupid
can make the difference between a real man, and a dead man... sometimes
there was a case a few years ago, of this actor from Mexico, where laws are a bit more relaxed so you can get away with things but... he went to Miami in the USA
he had some dumb argument/altercation with an old man at a red light, while driving
both got stupid, said things, minor drama... the old man returned to his vehicle to get in his car, so the actor, a much more younger and stronger dude, got out of his car, went after the old man and sucker punch him on the face for no necessary reason, the drama was already over
well, the old man didn't see that coming, but even if he did he was too old to react and also too old to take a sucker punch... so he just felt right away and fell flat, hit his head and died because of that cowardly punch
and then yeah, the USA laws are a bit more strict that those of Mexico, and I think he has been jailed since that day, and he will spend a lot of years in prison for killing someone so stupidly and so unnecessary too
yeah... sad for both
an old man died... and the young actor with a promising career, wasting his life in prison
over one stupid punch
Good in both...
Don't be affraid to stand up for yourself siren victoria mermaid lisia, in the end you're a half mermaid, you can swim fast in the ocean and no one can follow you 😁
I pick my battles. I'm ok for other people but let more slide when it's for myself.
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