Should DNA tests be mandatory after pregnancies?

[HawkPerception]

Yes

No

[Miristheiss]

Since paternity fraud is so rampant I do think a paternity test should be the standard procedure. The couple can opt out if both agree but that just shows the man is a wuss if he opts out of it.

Yes.

If the man's name can be put on the birth certificate in the hospital and that obligates him to 18 years of financial support than YES a test should be the standard procedure.

[HighValue]

DNA tests should be mandatory. And there should be criminal penalties and prison time for anyone proven to have cheated while married. 1 year of prison for every year married.

[Avicenna]

It's a good idea since it can prevent future paternity fraud.

Interestingly, in Germany, if the parents are unmarried, women are often encouraged by the registrars at hospitals to leave the father off the birth certificate.

[Apple1996]

They do that in the US as well. When me and my hubby had our first son while being unmarried they told me to go home and think about it first before putting him on the birth certificate lol. Also my dad never was on mine either because my parents were unmarried at the time.

[Avicenna]

@Apple1996; That's crazy...

[alice55]

Why are they doing that? It’s so weird

[Apple1996]

@Avicenna very crazy but I did end up going back and putting my husband on the birth certificate a week later

[Avicenna]

@alice55: I have no idea. It didn't happen to me, though.

[alice55]

It's good, this is very weird

[Apple1996]

Nope if a couple wants a dna test then sure they can get one but it shouldn't be a requirement for everyone. I know I would not be doing that for my kids

[HawkPerception]

And why are you against it?

[Apple1996]

I just wouldn't be putting the father on the birth certificate if he wanted to do that. It's not worth it. Shows the man is drama and probably won't be a good father to begin with

[HawkPerception]

I'm not talking about the birth certificate. I'm just talking about doing a DNA test to confirm he's the father

[Apple1996]

Oh what would be the need for that if it's not about him being on the birth certificate?

[HawkPerception]

To confirm he's the father for his own peace of mind. There are many men that raise children that are not their own and don't realize it until it's too late and they die without ever leaving a legacy behind because they "trust" their partners blindly.

[HawkPerception]

I've posted videos about it in this post.

[Apple1996]

That sounds like a dramatic man... He wouldn't even be invited to the birth or allowed to be around the kid if he wanted a dna test

[Apple1996]

I'd rather raise the kid completely on my own than deal with a man who has bitch tendencies like that. I'd be 18 years of hell trying to parent with a man who cared about dna testing right after I just went through pregnancy, labor, birth like I got bigger things to worry about

[Apple1996]

It'd*

[Avicenna]

And you´d get some really bad results with your parenting plus you´d be dependent on taxpayers. Plus kids deserve contact with their fathers.

[Apple1996]

@Avicenna get bad results with raising my kids on my own? Lol you already know my situation 🤣 I'm a solo parent 95% of the time

[Avicenna]

Apple, you know I am a veteran and know how what is available to you as a military spouse and how they help each other. Not to mention the BAQ you get.

[Avicenna]

That is not to diminish what you do (and you know I support big families).

[Apple1996]

@Avicenna umm there is no available help for spouses besides like free college. I take care of my kids completely on my own

[Avicenna]

You mean no spouses from hubby´s unit socialize with you and help you out?

[Apple1996]

@Avicenna lol mostly everyone that my husband works with is single or divorced

[Avicenna]

There should still be people in your unit helping you out. We did in mine, especially single moms.

[Avicenna]

Or the souses if people in your unit

[Apple1996]

@Avicenna that depends on the base and unit tbh some have better family support but yeah here I'm on my own

[princeofromance]

No, but it should be done if requested.

[LifeHitMeandRan]

The fact this is even a debate shows why it needs to be mandatory. If you're the father, what does she have to lose?

See, the mother has 100% certainty the child is hers. Not so much the father.

Tennessee took the debate away and has made paternity tests MANDATORY. This is a good thing because it takes the whole emotional debate and trust issue away. The woman cannot get upset because "OMG I cheated but I PROMISE the child is yours" or "I'm so damn loyal you should trust me". After all, when it is the LAW telling you it's going to happen, there is no room for debating the issue.

[HawkPerception]

Love this

[TheSpaceGnome]

Hospitals sometimes take newborns to nurseries before giving them back to the mother, leaving opportunity to give the oarents back the wrong baby, so both paternity and maternity tests are wise.

[TheSpaceGnome]

parents*

[XXTruthfulOgrexx]

Absolutely. Even with a vasectomy I've had 2 women try to take me to court for child support to children i damn sure didn't father claiming broken condoms etc.

I had to bring in my physician with the medical records and follow up tears results from 10+ years and get sperm count tested to prove it couldn't father a child.

Considering the amount of fathers that find out decades later the children were never is, testing should be required at birth and the "dads" given the option to refuse paternity and responsibility if it isn't his.

[molonski2]

@XXTruthfulOgrexx
hahahaha , that's incredible , me also x 2 with vasectomy , the first ones answer " Why didn't you tell me? " , like I somehow had to tell her , in one case I went and made sure ( officially ) coz it was early on , this was the exact reason why I went to the vet in the first place.

So very many women have set out to deceive , and here its like a National Sport , so I never ever tell them.

[wynning]

Sure. Not only would this prevent suspicion for those who only want to be raising their own biological children (a child is a child to me adopted or biological but I understand their feelings) but it would also speed up getting deadbeat parents to get their shit together and get parenting properly.

[LiamJHayden]

They should be standard as that would also prevent the rare accidental mistakes by the hospital.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp3njqd9nl9o

[Blunky]

I mean, it literally seals the deal so I don't see why not. All it does is add -more- trust and responsibility to the relationship (if the child is indeed theirs). Blind faith doesn't do anyone any good.

[PrincessC16]

yes, it will finally make the two individual parties responsible for the child that THEY have brought into this world. Both parties would accept responsibility for their actions. Less men get put in jail because of child support. Ease decisions about adopting. Children know who their true parents are. No more "I don't knows", etc. Decrease child welfare.

[On_cloud_wine]

I think it should be mandatory so no one is in an awkward position to decide or question someone’s faithfulness

[IslaTheWitch]

it's the greatest insult for a woman

if you don't trust her, then don't create a relationship with her

[HawkPerception]

That's why it should be mandatory. So the guy doesn't have to ask for it. And it's not an insult, the same way prenup is not a guarantee your relationship will fail.

It would be terrible if a guy went his whole life raising another man's kids and there are so many men that have suffered this because they fully trusted their wives.

[HawkPerception]

Notice how every single guy is saying it should be mandatory. Are all of them in the wrong?

[IslaTheWitch]

for me it's matter of trust... so if you don't trust her, don't have kids with her, it's simple as that... no one forces you to relationship and relationship should base on trust

but let's give you an example... woman can't check if her guy doesn't cheat on her... there is no test for it and or she trusts him or she dumps him... so, guys can do exactly the same... you aren't sure of your girlfriend? don't make her pregnant and dump her

[Miristheiss]

Tough.
It "hurts her feelings" isn't good enough.
Facts and logic and truth. If the truth is just sitting there and this simple test is all that it takes to find truth then only a fool wouldn't find out.
A woman's fleeting, endlessly changing feelings are irrelevant.

Only a loose woman who knows the guy MIGHT NOT be the dad would throw a hissy fit over a factual, truth finding test. You are revealing your own untrustworthiness.

Guys, she doesn't have to be involved. just let the hospital, nurses know you want one (out in the hall) before your name goes on the BC. All done. .

[IslaTheWitch]

@Miristheiss so i assume loyalty tests are also alright...

[Miristheiss]

Paternity test is wise and just.
Why would anyone resist.
Quite suspicious.

[IslaTheWitch]

@Miristheiss loyalty test is wise and just... why would anyone resist? quite suspicious...

[HawkPerception]

@IslaTheWitch Trust is proven through actions. If you don't do anything to prove the trust, why should it be given? It's like being shady with your phone and not letting your partner see who you're messaging or going out and not telling them where and who you're with, saying they should just trust you. If you really care about your partner and did not cheat, it shouldn't hurt you to give them absolute peace of mind by confirming it's their kids, especially if it 100% is.

[IslaTheWitch]

if i didn't do anything to breach trust why doubt me?

[HawkPerception]

@IslaTheWitch Yeah you're not getting it. Do you trust anyone because they haven't broken your trust? By that logic, just go and trust everyone in the world because they haven't done anything to break your trust.

Trust is built over time and through actions.

[IslaTheWitch]

if i didn't anything to breach the trust, it means it builds up, right? I'm not quite sure what more one can do... :D

[HawkPerception]

@IslaTheWitch If you do nothing to earn it, then you don't have it

[HawkPerception]

@IslaTheWitch I'm really not sure how to be more clear here

[IslaTheWitch]

what person can do to gain trust? If the person doesn't do any shady things, lives normal life, works, cares for home, what more has to do to gain trust?

[Miristheiss]

This isn't about trust. I am sure everyone who scammed with paternity fraud TRUSTED their girl. Getting the test doesn't mean you do not suspect anything.
There is just no reason to HAVE TO TRUST... you can just KNOW.
Besides, you do not even have to tell the woman. Just get the test.

[IslaTheWitch]

@Miristheiss relationships are about trust... if you don't trust her, don't have kids with her, as simple as that...

but if it's not about trust, I assume, we should do loyalty tests more often

[Miristheiss]

If you trust her... still get the trst
It doesn't matter if you trust her or not.

[IslaTheWitch]

@Miristheiss and still do loyalty test

[Miristheiss]

This thread is about paternity testing to cleary define who is a biological father.
Go start a separate thread about "loyalty test"

[IslaTheWitch]

@Miristheiss i don't feel the need, for me it's obvious that if a man has a need to check if his partner was faithful... a woman has exactly the same right

[Miristheiss]

Whatever.
If there is a birth... we KNOW the woman is the mom. If a man is going to legally take responsibility for a child, the simple test should verify it.
End of story.

[msc545]

@IslaTheWitch If a guy cheats on you, it doesn't cost you 18 years of your income. If you cheat on him and get pregnant and lie that he is the father, it will without a DNA test. That is the difference.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Yes, on top of catching paternity fraud, this would also help studies on human evolution and prevent hospitals from giving you the wrong baby after taking it to the nursery.

[molonski2]

It's actually a VERY good suggestion to just make it part of the registration of the birth , and could be easily added to the process.
Will be interested to see the female numbers on your poll.

[sage2021]

My son looked exactly like my husband when he was born. Even he said that he didn't have to worry because he knew that was his son. The resemblance was remarkable!!

[Becky93]

Yes I do. Know of guys who took their own lives when they found out their children wasn’t theirs after 20 years raising them.

[Kelley1]

No! That is not good for wives. In the best interest of their children, wives need to option of choosing superior genes for their eggs.

[HawkPerception]

Huh? How does that answer the question? 😂

[Kelley1]

My answer to the question was "No!" For you to understand what "No" means, do I need to repeat myself?

[HawkPerception]

The no was fine. The part after made zero sense.

"In the best interest of their children, wives need to option of choosing superior genes for their eggs."

You choose who you sleep with and have kids with, so I don't understand how that has anything to do with fact checking if a man is the father or not.

[alice55]

Mandatory no bit i believe if you do not trust your wife then just do a test without telling her if not she s not gonna be pleased by the lack of trust

[Ariesman81]

Of course it should be. Better yet, it should be funded by Planned Parenthood

[thatshydork]

I don’t think it should be because of the fact that some people adopt right after birth and that some couples get sperm donors.

[PeachyPie93]

I wouldn't have an issue with it.. because they take blood and do all kinds of tests and stuff anyways when you are prego.

[FreyaRed]

Yes. I would want to know as well who is the father. XD

[madgoat]

I wonder why the government doesn't want to attach DNA to their records from birth actually.
Proof of parentage is just one reason

[Andrew9999]

I agree yes of course about this. Wish you a good day haha

[beldath]

Mandatory? No. If there's reason to believe the woman cheated, then I'd want a test.

[Unap0logetic_]

It wouldn’t be an issue for me if they made it mandatory.

[SmokinAces2000]

I don’t see why not. It would prevent men from raising another dudes child.

[PrincessC16]

As well as getting women getting the child support that they need. Or vice versa

[Avicenna]

@PrincessC16: They would still get it from the actual biological father, like they´re supposed to. No man should be forced to pay child support for a child that he did not father or adopt.

[Drumlin2001]

Yes. Children deserve to know there parents

[Sono83]

That seems like a "1984" or "Brave New World" scenario.

[DJB72]

It's sad that it's come to it, but yes.

[Dongie]

Yes.

[Dongie]

Yeah, I bet it's pretty sad to raise a kid and find out they're not yours. Find out their mother is a dirty cheat and a liar too.

[SaoirseS]

Absolutely not.

[Sleephazard]

No, wtf.