The concept of Hell throughout history has been accused as a figment of one's imagination, often leading to jokes and a platform to jeer those who believe in such a horrible place after death; A scare tactic to keep weak minded religous people in order to control and manipulate them for one's own benefit and rule power over them as a religious institution; Which in many cases was and is still done for mischief purposes.
Many theologians and pastors and many religious people have ponder about Hell throughout history and struggling to answer why a loving God will send his creation to a place that defies unimaginable agony for all eternity to those who question the concept of Hell.
You're Not God Buddy. Big Mistake!
The Lord Jesus who created hell told us that hell fire was created for the devil and his angles that joined Lucifer in rebellion in attempt to overthrow God to his throne in heaven which was a failure.
Matthew 25:41:
(Jesus speaking)
"Then He will also say to those on the left hand, depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angles."
As a result God created hell fire to punish them for eternity for the blatant disrespect of his authority as supreme glorious blessed God.
Isaiah 14:12-15:
“How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’ Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit.
Revelation 12:7-9:
And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Hell And The Lake Of Fire. And What Happens Immediately Upon Physical Death.
Hell (Hades) and the Lake Of Fire are two similar places in terms that it is hot and for torment of the wicked (Unsaved) but distinct in their time period. Hell or Hades is a place where everyone goes upon physical death.
Hell (The bad part) is a temporarily conscious place until the day of resurrection to their final sentence; like a criminal being held without bond sitting in a county jail til He Or She appears to court before a judge for their permanent sentence in a state prison. The Lake Of Fire is a permanent place where a person is there physically forever buring without their body being consumed. Remember the buring bush God appeared to Moses? Yet the bush wasn't consumed.
Moreover, the saved goes to a part of Hades where they comforted called Abraham's bosom where the Lord Jesus and the criminal crucified next to him said to the Lord Jesus to remember him went upon death on the cross. It's where the saved wait until the day of resurrection to be reunited back in a glorious physical body.
The wicked upon physical death, however, goes to a part of Hades of great heat in torment. He or She is not there physically since his or her body is in the grave, but rather He or She is in a spiritual realm being conscious of their torment.
Many Christians or religious people think that once a person dies, that they are in a term called "Soul Sleep" where a person isn't conscious at all until the day of judgment or the garbage lie the Cathoic Chruch teaches about purgatory, but that isn't true at all nor Biblical.
Jesus told a true story about a wicked rich man and a poor sick man that once lived named Lazarus. And what happened to them both when they died. Many Christians like to say that story was a parable, but that isn't so. Everytime the Lord Jesus told a parable, the Bible says "And He told them a parable" to let us know the story isn't real, but to rather to convey a message.
And also the Lord never uses specific names when telling a parable. In this particular story about the rich and poor man He mentions a specific name to let us know this man named Lazarus really lived.
Luke 16:18-31:
“There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom.
The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’
But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
“Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ Abraham said to him,
‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead."
Hebrews 9:27: And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment.
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6:
For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing, And they have no more reward, For the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished; Nevermore will they have a share In anything done under the sun.
*A dead person doesn't know anything about what is going on under the sun on earth anyone. But they are conscious in the spiritual realm of their fate.
Why Is The Lake Of Fire Forever? And Who Are The Company Of Such A Place?
God's word tells us why He has such a vicious and strick judgement on the wicked. I'm not going to post all the scriptures, but for one God is Holy and loves holiness and righteousness as his word declares. But the judgment is forever because God won't tolerate sin or any disrespect. Basically it's a threat to let people know not to cross a line with him or they will face terrible consequences for it.
The threat of Hell fire is like the government that has strick laws that whoever breaks them will face serious time if not a life sentence behind bars. So the majority of people keep the laws or think twice before committing a crime. Because if there was no consequences for anything, people will do horrible things without a care in the world. God's word indirectly tells us why Hell fire is forever.
Ecclesiastes 3:14:
I know that whatever God does, It shall be forever. Nothing can be added to it, And nothing taken from it. God does it, that men should fear before Him.
I like I said it's for everyone to fear God. Godly fear means to reverence the Lord. Pay him great homage as He deserves as everlasting King Of Kings and Lord Of Lords or else face his great wrath.
The Unrepented Wicked Sinners Are The Company Of Hell.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11:
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
Galatians 5:19-21:
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Revelation 21:7-8:
He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Psalm 11:4-7:
The Lord is in His holy temple, The Lord’s throne is in heaven; His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men. The Lord tests the righteous, But the wicked and the one who loves violence His soul hates. Upon the wicked He will rain coals; Fire and brimstone and a burning wind Shall be the portion of their cup. For the Lord is righteous, He loves righteousness; His countenance beholds the upright.
Psalm 5:4-6:
For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness, Nor shall evil dwell with You. The boastful shall not stand in Your sight; You hate all workers of iniquity. You shall destroy those who speak falsehood; The Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.
(Jesus teaching a parable)
Matthew 13:47-51:
“Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and gathered some of every kind, which, when it was full, they drew to shore; and they sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad away. So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
Jesus said to them, “Have you understood all these things?”
They said to Him, “Yes, Lord.”
The 1st And 2nd resurrection. And The Last Battle At The End Of Christ 1,000 Year reign.
Everyone will resurrect from the dead. The saved will part take in the 1st resurrection. And the wicked in the 2nd at the end of Christ's 1,000 year reign.
John 5:28-29:
(Lord Jesus speaking)
Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
Revelation 20:4-10:
And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
The Great White Throne Judgment Seat Of Christ.
It's not worth it going against God. That's all I'm going to say.
Revelation 20:11-15:
Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
The New Heaven And Earth.
Revelation 21:1-6:
Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.
Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.
And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”
And He said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts.
Conclusion: And What You Must Do To Inherit Eternal Life.
Acts 2:37-39:
Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”
Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.
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Why Did God Create Hell? What Is The Difference Between Hell And The Lake Of Fire? And What Happens At The Final Resurrection Of The Dead?
You don't desire to believe nor accept God nor his word. You reject the glorious gospel of Jesus Christ. You reject the Holy Spirit. You reject the idea to submit to God's authority over you as everlasting king. But God will rule over you anyways like it or not. Either in heaven or in hell. You choose buddy.
Bro, God isn't a regular human being like us. He is deserving of great homage because He is everlasting God. Why are you so hell bent on disrespecting God?
I told you already. Just because He is God. Think about that. He is from everlasting with no beginning in terms of being created nor end. That alone makes him absolute worthy of respect. Nothing can be compare to his glory and might. He is the one and only God. That's why He deserve great honor before all. To not give him great homage and glory is to put yourself before him which no human is worth doing so. To put yourself before him is self idolatry.
That makes no sense. He deserves respect because he's big! He deserves respect because he's powerful! He deserves respect because he says so! None of these reasons make sense.
its not about not believing its about the purpose of humans. we were created as vessels for God's grace. god is the prima causa, the first cause. from Him all life springs. detachment from His grace equals detachment from eternity. God offers divinity, if you rejecte it, He gives you every right to do so, but you are then left with unlife. he who doesn't serve light uncosciously serves darkness. this is hard to explain to an atheist but only a repented person in Christ truly transforms into a person of light. there is no true atheist or agnostic only antitheists. whoever doesn't serve god unwillingly is subdued by His enemy the devil. the point of this brief earth life is to repent in Christ and rebridge the gap of the fall through divine humility.
ladsin remember that God has no need for our worship or our praise. He has nothing to benefit from us, we have the whole world to benefit from Him. and these protestant explantions that he is the only worth worshipping are childish. God doesn't have insecurities or human vanity. only humble love. through worshipping Him, WE benefit and we are transformed. so its a win situation for us humans.
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[The following is entirely based on personal philosophy and may or may not be true. Seek the answers for yourselves and never assume these answers to be valid!]
I believe this entire concept to be fundamentally flawed as its nothing like my own experiences.
As a christian you will know your not supposed to worship an image of god. This is often refereed to statues or portraits in the books from what i can remember. It tells you not to worship false gods as there is only one.
What most people don't realize is that that shouldn't be taken literal. It refers to religion on its own. The concept of god as a man for example, or a literal concept of hell.
Personally i see the christian concept of hell to be purely there for population control and fear mongering. God is love, so if he is love then why would he condemn those capable of loving? They say god is forgiving, and if he does forgive then why does he condem for a lifetime?
From the signs i have received and the way that an angel (For the lack of a more accurate description) communicated with me i can tell they value free will above anything else. They allow you to screw up, its the only way to learn from your mistakes and grow as a whole. This can take many lifetimes but in my view its not so static as it seems. To me heaven or hell are not black and white, instead you return to a place equal to who you are. The layers are as varied as people can be. And when its time you can go to a planet like ours to test who you are and travel between these worlds. Earth is a gathering of all kinds of sources, allowing you to grow as a being. After your journey trough earth you logically return to the right place for you to be and when you are ready for your next run you will be reborn on a planet for further development or to carry out a mission.
As you can see my look at things is combined from a whole lot of sources. I don't claim it to be true, and no version was ever confirmed trough a sign. They purpusely don't do that so people don't follow one version blindly. If we all knew the truth everyone would follow them blindly and there would not be free will.
And for those in fear, at the end of the road you will be your own judge. If you genuinely think you are intentions are pure you have nothing to fear.
I don't want anyone to assume anything i just typed is correct. Use it as thought fuel and find your own answers.
Those of you who wan't to can find them on your own with the power of your own mind
Interesting. I have not read the bible yet, but are those bible verses?
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: ‘Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.’ (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Not sure I am following. You keep moral laws such as murder, theft.. etc? In case I misunderstood, what about the acts made by Christians following some of these verses, such as killing believers of other religions, like Christian in McDowell who bought a gun to kill jews. Or others like The murder of Dr. George Tiller in 2009 by a christian, The Centennial Olympic Park bombing by the Army of God, Phineas Priesthood member Larry Steven in 2014... and the list goes on.
Not everyone that say "I Christian" is a real Christian.
No more than I buying and wearing a LeBron James jersery and going on the basketball court makes me LeBron no matter how much I claim to be him.
My Lord Jesus Christ taught us that a tree is known by its fruit. That we can tell what kind of a person they are by their fruits they show in their lives.
There are pastors that sleep with women in their chruch, lie, steal, teach false doctrine for money. There are professing Christians that are drug users, achoclics, liar and thieves. They practice a wicked lifestyle therefore they aren't really following Christ even though they claim to be.
I came across a message you wrote recently, "Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslim". I just mentioned examples of Christian terrorists, terrorising in the name of Christianity. And just like it's said for muslims, the Christian ideology has an influence on these attacks, and therefore should be exterminated for safety as it's better not to risk our lives by the possibility of a few bad "trees". With 1.8 billion Muslims in the world, islam apparently is a problem because of a group who claim "I Muslim". I am using your logic, and it implies clearly that Christianity is a problem also.
With all due respect, all I see is brainless double standard. A big portion of westerners are blindly influenced by fear, makes you such easy targets.
The problem is Isalm commands violence to subjugate or to kill infidels. Groups like ISIS are following mere core teachings of Islam. While lukewarm Muslims tend to over look and ignore commands to jihad against infidels. Which is a good thing by the way.
Christianity commands us to love our neighbor even our enemies and to be at peace with everyone. That's the difference between Christianity and Isalm.
I still see double standard. Christianity has verses which mean to kill a whole town if there's a non believer in it, it has verses which command to kill a neighbour if they worked on a Sunday. And it commands to kill infidels. Groups like the one I mentioned before follow these, using your terms, core teachings of Christianity.
You say these were during the ancient times of israel which are not followed anymore, but I can say the same thing. You provide a biased source which you believed, regardless of researching the context, without actually doing the research. Again I can do the same thing. I can't post links yet, google "killing in the bible".
You say Christianity commands to love our neighbour and to be at peace. Islam teaches kindness to neighbour, regardless of their belief, and harming them would label the muslim a non believer. In fact we were taught a story as kids of the prophet visiting a sick jewish neighbour who used to put garbage in front of the prophet's door.
I would post a source, but apparently I can't post links yet. Here The Prophet, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allah exalt his mention ), strictly warned, in various ways, about harming the neighbor. The Prophet, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allah exalt his mention ), said: “By Allah, he is not a believer! By Allah, he is not a believer! By Allah, he is not a believer.” It was asked, “Who, O Messenger of Allah?” He said: “One whose neighbor does not feel safe from his evil.”When it was said to him: “O Messenger of Allah, a woman performs voluntary prayers at night and fasts during the day, but she offends her neighbors with her tongue.” He sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allah exalt his mention ) said: “There is no good in her; she is in Hell.” The Prophet, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allah exalt his mention ), also said: “He does not enter Paradise whose neighbor is not secure from his evil.”
Islam started out as peace because it was low in man power, but once it grow in followers it became violent led by Muhammed and his teachings to jihad and subjugate infidels. There is no denying that. Its the truth.
Yes but again, in ancient time the bible also commanded the death of infidels. You're going off point. I have yet to receive a difference from you that makes islam dangerous, and Christianity not.
I am not attempting to defend islam or anything, I honestly don't need validation for my belief, so that's not the reason for this. I am just interested in meeting an open minded Christian who can think independently without obvious influence. Generic sources are of no use, I'd appreciate a specific debate where you attempt to actually prove my points wrong. Until now, you admitted indirectly that not all terrorists are muslims, but that's it. The rest all consist of a classic case of "inside the box" mindset.
Yes God commanded to nation of Israel military to go to war with specific wicked nations that were enemies of Israel. But that was it. God didn't command to jihad with all pagans around in the Old Testament. Unlike the Quran which is non ending jihad against infidels. And that website is telling the truth. It provides scriptures from the Quran and Hadith.
Deny it all you want buddy but Islam is a wicked religion.
Nope, that's factually untrue. "Specific nations" you say, I just gave you verses of the bible commanding to kill all infidels, and whole towns if there's a single non believer in it. You're in severe denial. "That website is telling the truth" I never denied that, unlike you who haven't had the guts to even address the killing bible verses in the same manner, but said that it was in ancient times, which like I said can be said about the quraan verses as well. I assume you'll say that the difference is that the quraan verses are applied to this day, but I will refer you to my second reply. Blind faith is not how I address the issues, but it's how you do. Questioning things in your religion can make the faith stronger, don't be afraid. I can understand muslims getting heat from atheists, and it can be interesting to debate, with Christians it's obvious hypocrisy, you're so afraid of questioning your religion, it's pathetic.
Christians find it easy to go on the attack, but on the defense Christianity is actually more violent than Islam as a religion, and it's easily provable. Anyway, I am done here. Be well.
And on top of all this, we're supposed to believe it all not on reason and evidence, but on faith; which is so reliable that thousands of religions can use to to come to vastly different conclusions..
First all God didn't create you. He created Adam and Eve. And just because God knows the future doesn't mean you are stripped of your own free will. God doesn't create robots.
That second quote is interesting. Think about it, difference between human and animal is the brain. It's said that life is a test, and while brains make humans independent thinkers, if it's all due to God's will then there's no point. God creates circumstances which tests humans, but at the same time, human action create circumstances, and therefore human action is by God's will. And if you knew the result, then what's the point of taking the test. Elements in life result in these circumstances, and therefore it is also by God's will. We have not found an end to the brain capacity, maybe one day we will. Unexplained paradoxes, parallel universe theories and everything. Me thinking like this is a part of the brain capacity, which is by God's will. And so on. Again there's no point if everything is by God's will. Then again there's still possibility of a rational explanation somewhere in the brain capacity, but then again, rationality is created by God's will.
And so, finding a satisfying answer to everything is possible by God's will. It's an endless paradox, but it gives and can still give answers, and it makes a lot more sense than explanations created by atheism, which provides little explanation that is very much into the beginning of a toddler's brain capacity.
so why is it that this hell is only mentioned in the new testament? do the people that lived before 2,000 years ago still go to hell? they were never told that if they didn't worship some dude in the sky they would "burn" for eternity. hell, many civilizations didn't even know of this god and yet are condemned to burn in hell and suffer agony from your just and merciful god who you just say is only punishing them because they refused but how can you refuse something if you dont know about it?
Did you even read the whole article and scriptures I posted? The old testement spoke of hell. And God had his prophets testifying of hell in the ancient world.
Besides these same people will one day resurrect and want to start a fight in a world that is full of peace and love.
They don't go to hell by accident, those people deserve such a place because they are wicked as hell.
If you're in the company of Satan and demons in hell then it really shows what kind of person you're truly are.
They were told for the ones who were chosen by God. The ones who didn't are the ones who rejected God and were cast out to other lands and formed their own nations. The same nations we have today. That's why were are so confused and don't speak the same languages. Now God wants all nations to come together, because he foresaw this future. And our future is very bleak as we continue to stay down here.
" but how can you refuse something if you dont know about it?" We know through our hearts and spirit. People knows God calls for them but the refuse. They don't want to pick up a Bible. They don't want to estamblish that connection. And others just give up. We need correction. And direction. But people who are already confused don't seek to be unconfused. They're in la-la land, and they don't want to wake up to reality. "hell, many civilizations didn't even know of this god " A LOT of civilizations did know. But if you read your history books besides the Bible you will see that many
civilizations follow a polytheistic system. Which means it is gods agianst God. These lowere gods are demons or fallen angels that once were Angels, but wanted to be gods themselves. So they fell down to earth, tricked humans, mate with them, and created giants and teh mythical creatures we are taught are only fictional. There were real. And some are still alive today.
@Hispanicdude i actually did read that whole thing you wrote. there was what one passage in isaiah about lucifer being cast to sheol. it didn't mention any sinners, heathens, or nonbelievers being sent their for eternal torment and damnation. and psalms 11? fire and brimstone? that just sounds like sodom and gomorhea (sp) to me. so people dont go to hell by accident and yet when god commands the Israelites to say march around jerhico because they are evil/in their land/whatever and destroy every man women and child, this includes babes who are sucking at their mothers teet. i would say at the very least the children being murdered had no chance at knowing this evil merciless god who condemned them to eternal damnation because they were born in the wrong town unto parents who were of the wrong race. but maybe you're right those kids are wicked as hell and clearly deserve to suffer for all eternity.
@btbc92 @btb you claim "alot of civilizations did know" great, thats not who im talking about. im talking about the civilizations that didnt/dont know. yes there are still people on this earth who haven't heard of your god. there are indigenous tribes that have had zero contact with modern man and know nothing of the messed up religions that the world has. but they are going to hell all the same. its their ancestors fault for leaving an area that might have had access to knowledge of your god and because they did their descendants are going to hell for eternity.
No true at all. Again, people sense and know there is something out there, but the search for it the wrong way, and get caught up into trouble. Now there is no excuse for it because those who are able to travel to the lands that haven't heard, should and will receive it as it is prophesied. It is still a choice. People either seek God, or they don't. Many don't ponder to wonder out of their own free will. Tells you right there in the Bible what's in the hearts of man. Mainly in Psalms.
And besides, whether they left or stayed. Had 0 to do with it. If the new generation seeks God, they will find a way no matter how far apart they are. God will come to them. Remember when he said, 'knock, and I will answer. Seek, and ye shall find?'
If they don't have the desire to truly seek God for themselves, then who is responsible for that? They are. Not God. We are all responsible for our own salvation. There are people in nations like China, who are often banned from reading the Bible and pledge allegiance to a communism government. And they find a way to seek and praise God. Because they want to know him. There are people who grew up in the church and they walk out of their own free will. And if they personally feel that their current church isn't supplying the spiritual feeding that they need, then all they have to do is get off their butt and find another church. But no. They just abandon the faith altogether. It's all about faith. And people lack it today. Back then, people knew God. Experienced his presence fully and completely. God literally WALKED with them in spirit. Today, it is all but a foreign dream one would hope to experience like the days of old. And the further it is from our reality, the more we call it
@btbc92 you are completely ignoring the fact that there are tribes that in this day of age that have no idea of the existence of your god. they have ZERO contact with anyone outside of there tribe. they have never been exposed to the idea of the jewish god or any modern religion for that matter. or are you really trying to say that these people are supposed to wake up and be like "im missing something, im going to leave my tribe and go look for a god elsewhere?" because im sorry but that is just plain fucking stupid. its alright, i know you dont habe an answer for this which is why you're deflecting and trying to change/go off on a different path of conversation hiding behind the veil of at the core of what you're say is related to the topic at hand.
No. I think I'm going to stop speaking to foolish people. Because you believe what you want and I will speak what I know. Your too carnal to realize that this whole idea you think the world is, is designed to keep you where you are. That is your choice to think what you think. I already told you back then most knew and the generations after has forsaken that belief. The same way we're not supposed to be having premarital sex, now the majority of the U. S population whose "supposed" to be waiting are doing that. Because our parent's generation and ours have forsaken it.
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Christians created Hell as a way of scaring the gullible into believing. The concept was stolen, again, from the Pagans who believed in Hel. Hel was a person and place that everybody went to when they died in the Pagan ideology. But because Christians can't be original they ripped it off and call it their own.
Bout time you didn't post that stupid spaghetti monster crap. At least you posted something different to see. Its still stupid though. And I down voted you.😛
The Flying Spaghetti Monster would prefer not to be insulted but won't take revenge on you. May its Noodly Appendage touch thee and guide thee to the True Pasta. RAmen.
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God created hell to balance the forces of nature... hell is a must if heaven shall exist... It's not necessarily that people will actually go there, some might, but forces need to be balance otherwise strange things start to happen
What is heaven without hell? how can heaven be such a great place if there isn't an equally as bad a place?
1. God created hell for Satan and his followers. 2. Hell is like a prison for punishment of sorts, the bible does not talk too much in detail about the lake of fire, but its clear that it's the destruction of whatever goes in. 3. Everyone will be judged, that's why
You should really take your overly long and highly ridiculous flights of religious fanciful nonsense, and take them to a site more appropriate for your particular pseudo sermons.
This is a website for guys and girls and relationships. And while the occasional off topic "Other" post is welcome, this sort of wanna-be-lecture is pathetic and has no place here.
Why you limit God? Nothing is impossible with God. A God can't be God if he has limited power.
God consists in a 3 form being as one God.
God The Father, God The Son and God The Holy Spirit. Just like water can be liquid, ice and steam. Or a tree that has a trunk, branches and leaves yet it's still the same tree.
God The father sent his Christ a part of himself in human form to die for our sins. Being born as a baby.
Jesus is the image of the invisible God The Father which is a spirit. Jesus said God is a spirit in John 4.
John 14:8-10: Philp said to him, Lord, show us the Father, and it's sufficient for us. Jesus said to him, Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father, so how can you say show us the Father? Xo you not believe that I am in yhe Father and Father in me? The words that I speak to you I to you I do not on My own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does the work.
Exdous 3:13-14: Then Moses said to God, indeed, when I come to the children of Isreal and say to them, The Gis of your fathers has sent me to you, and they to me What is his name? What shall I say to them? And God said to Moses "I AM Who I AM". And He said I AM has sent me to you.
John 8:57-58:
Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
I explained it to you what Son of God means. Jesus is God in human form. The book of revelation clearly shows him being worshipped as He sits on the throne. And only God is worthy of worship.
Back to my question, When he was in Mary's womb, who was taking care of the universe?, and when Mary was taking care of a newborn god, who took care of human beings?
Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. Make me hear joy and gladness, That the bones You have broken may rejoice. Hide Your face from my sins, And blot out all my iniquities. Create in me a clean heart, O God, And renew a steadfast spirit within me. Do not cast me away from Your presence, And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me. Restore to me the joy of Your salvation, And uphold me by Your generous Spirit. Then I will teach transgressors Your ways, And sinners shall be converted to You
For You do not desire sacrifice, or else I would give it; You do not delight in burnt offering. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit, A broken and a contrite heart These, O God, You will not despise.
The Lord is merciful and gracious, Slow to anger, and abounding in mercy. He will not always strive with us, Nor will He keep His anger forever. He has not dealt with us according to our sins, Nor punished us according to our iniquities.
Anytime. Pick up God's word and begin to read it. I strongly suggest to stay away from the modern versions like NIV, NLT, ESV and others. Stick with the NKJV which is the one I use which sounds more accurate and like God's word.
The modern versions are watered down and corrupt. If you have any questions regarding the Bible just meassge me. I will be more than glad to help you in anyway possible. Be bless.💞
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