Many claim that religion and the scientific field are incompatible with one another, obviously that statement is true, for example when one of multiple verses from the Qur'an states a complete scientific utter fallacy, that the sun sets on murky waters. 😣
To be nice, obviously the god of Islam and his delusional little prophet failed 5th grade earth science to claim such stupidity. 😂
Qur’an 18:83-86: And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: “I shall recite to you something of his story.” Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything.
So he followed a way. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people.
Nice comedy. 😂😂
However, God's word speaks of science right from the beginning of Genesis chap 1 and 2. The Bible gives 100% scientific facts and discoveries that wasn't conceivable for men to dear to even have such knowledge of the earth and space.
I will only share a couple out of several biblical scientific facts for the sake of time and writing this Mytake.
Springs Of Water On The Ocean Floor.
Since the Bible was writtin by supposedly goat hearders and foolish delusional men, how can they then posses such knowledge as the springs on the ocean floor that is 2.5 km down deep in the ocean?
For one it's impossible for anyone to hold their breath and swim under water for 1.5 miles down to the ocean floor, and not to mention they have to randomly swim around to find the springs, let alone swim back to the surface to tell about it; since there wasn't subs or oxygen tanks to go on the swimming journey in ancient times. Think about that.🤔
Modern science 1st ever discovered springs in the sea in 1977, Yet, God revealed the secret of springs in the sea to a man named Job who lived about 5,000 years ago.
Job 38:16:
Have you entered the springs of the sea?
Or have you walked in search of the depths?
The Circle Of The Earth.
For centuries many civilizations fundamentally and ignorantly thought the earth was flat. However, the prophet of God knew the earth was a circle and hanged on nothing.
How did He knew that since telescopes and shuttle rockets were in the far distant future to look into space and dear to even journeyed beyond our earth atmosphere?
Yet God through his Holy Spirit reveled such knowledge that no one in ancient times could have possibly know.
Isaiah 40:22:
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
Job 26:7:
He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing.
Conclusion:
Like I said before, God's word is indeed writtin by men. However the Holy Spirit was the force that inspired such, knowledge, wisdom and the revelation of who God really is.
The truth can be challenged and scrutinize, but can never to uprooted and defeated. God's stands true forever more, like it or not.
Here watch the first 15 mins of this 10 scientific Bible facts video. The rest is just sharing the gospel on the street.
I know you all won't probably watch because you don't want your lies you foster shattered. But its ok, keep following Richard Dawkins straight to hell. 😂
Athiests Checkmate! God's Word Stands True. Bible Scientific Facts Before Modern Science Dear To Even Have A Clue.😂
Food for thought, from a book for a college course:
"Biblical man, despite his undoubted intellectual and spiritual endowments, did not base his views of the universe and its laws on the critical use of empirical data... Hence, it is a naive and futile exercise to attempt to reconcile the biblical accounts of creation with the findings of modern science... The literalistic approach serves to direct attention to those aspects of the narrative that reflect the time and place of its composition, while it tends to obscure the elements that are meaningful and enduring, thus distorting the biblical message and destroying its relevancy".
Nahum M. Sarna, "Understanding Genesis: The Heritage of Biblical Israel".
Explain to me how can ancient men could have known about the springs of the seas, when modern science just discover the springs of the seas just 40 years ago for the first time ever in history?
You're trying to change the subject. Given your strong feelings about it, why are you trying to avoid thinking about the Bible? Are you afraid of what you might learn?
The difference is in dimensions. The ancient near eastern peoples all believed the sky was a circle, you know the Jews weren't the only ones to think this don't you? No? A circle is flat, a sphere is three dimensional. If the Jews wanted to more properly describe the earth they would've made up a word meaning sphere, or described it as a ball etc.
Not understanding the difference between shapes... well...
@Waffles731 as far as we know it is, but the earth can even have 4 dimensions and can be a shape far from our understanding as we lack the tools and perception to understand what a 4d space looks like, but the math does check out with these theories. Still, it being a circle (which is flat) is less likely but im not going to claim I know, no one does.
@Waffles731 yes, it's called progress of a kind. I'm trying to get him to the understanding of the earth as a sphere, later once that is accepted we can talk about our little pear bottomed marble
LOL, religious people are so desperately ridiculous 🤣
How can they then posses such knowledge as the springs on the ocean floor that is 2.5 km down deep in the ocean? Easily, the Alien (s) who pretended to be their "god" - told them so. "Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is indistinguishable from God" or "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" or "Witchcraft to the ignorant - simple science to the learned".
For example, primitive Mesoamerican civilizations thought that Spanish conquistadors were "gods", because they had divine "magic" (flintlock rifles, matchlock revolvers, wheellock pistols, old gun-powder cannons, steel swords etc). Basically, such primitive technology looked very "impressive" in the eyes of ignorant people, can you imagine how would extraterrestrial technology look in the eyes of people from the bible times? Nope, you can't, cause you're brainwashed by fairy-tales told to you by priests, since you were just a child.
Circle of Earth - Sure, that's why the church used to burn people who were trying to prove that Earth is not flat, how "enlightened" of them.
Athiestism= The belief that there was nothing and nothing exploded (Big Bang) created a organism that reproduce itself over billions of years into intelligent life and everything we see in the universe and physical earth.😂😂
In other words its like saying a explosion can form a 30 floor well designed condo structure over billions of years?
Let me point out some flaws. First of all, not all atheist agree on science. The only thing they agree on is the disbelief in a God. Secondly, the Big Bang wasn't an explosion. Anyone who knows physic should know this. It's the expansion of time and space. Thirdly, the big bang was never intended as the origin of matter, just space-time. Most physicist agree that all the matter and energy began as a singularity. It did not have a beginning. Finally, I'd like to correct you. It's You are, not You is.
I think you're reaching with these. First, I don't think that it is fair to say the books were written by goat herders, etc. They were written by religious scholars and scribes. Back then, if one knew how to read and write, one also had formal education in other subjects. The problem is that the most learned people in the world at that time would not even graduate American high school (which isn't really an accomplishment, it's more like a certificate of making it to 18 years old and not dying).
Second, these are very, very vague references, more akin to throwing things on the wall and seeing what sticks. You'll note that the bible says circle, not sphere. Circles are flat.
The Bible gives us historical insights as to the happenings of the middle east from Exodus and on. We know that there was a migration of people to Egypt, that they left and meandered about the Sinai desert until they came to and conquered Palestine, that their kingdom traded with Phoenicians, that the land was conquered first by Assyrians, then by Babylonians, then by Persians, then by the Greeks, then by the Romans. We know that during Caesar Augustus's reign, a man named Jesus was born in Bethlehem in 4 B. C. (Talk about the descrepancy of all time, Christ was born 4 years before Christ), moved to Nazareth, and was crucified in 29 A. D.
We corraborated this with other sources. We know then that the tale is mostly true. The problem is that the explanations cannot be verified. We don't know what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah, because there are barely any mentions of it in ancient text, and most are vague.
The Bible makes a lot of vague claims. The point is not that the Bible is a conglomeration of physical truths, but rather that it is a parable teaching moral truths. The context of the Bible is everything.
Bahahaha, heretics. That's our word. Your faith is an abomination created by men millennia after the death of Christ using poor translations and questionable source material.
God schmod. Your bible is nothing but a collection of bed time stories written by a bunch of deluded goat fuckers back in The Bronze Age. You do realize most of the stories are based on/inspired by even older (~500 years older) poytheistic Sumerian superstitions written down in cuneiform with the poem of Gilgamesh right? I'm guessing not. Science = if it can't be tested and has no hope of ever being tested then it's stupid to believe it and just assume it to be true. Everyone that claims science proves the bible to be true other than a few archeological coincidences is so full of shit their eyes are brown and don't know what science actually is. It would't be a real surprise if some Sumerian stories were inspired by real geological events like floods, volcano eruptions and earthquakes but thinking some god did it is just stupid when science explains it better and far more simply (for the non-gullible with a curious mind).
Well, I'll begin with calling you utterly tasteless for using a Nietzsche quote on a pro-Christian post. Before anything else, you have to realize that this is the same man who declared God dead and hated Christianity with a burning passion?
Secondly, you are merely interpreting Bible verses. Anyone can do that, and I can say you're doing it wrong and you won't have a counterargument. You disagree, probably. So I say to you, why does "springs of the sea" PRECISELY mean hydrothermal vents, and how exactly does a "circle" equal the sphere we know and stand on today?
Eew, don't be so disgustingly ignorant then. If you literally type "Nietzsche quote" in Google you'll see your error.
Dictionary definition of spring: a place where water or oil wells up from an underground source, or the basin or flow formed in such a way. Doesn't say under the sea specifically.
Don't even try that. Using "context" as an excuse is just as much bullshit as saying it's an interpretation. Do you want to know what ancient Hebrews ACTUALLY believed? etb-cosmology.blogspot.ca/.../...-of-universe.html
Amen, love the post... One thing that does drive me a little crazy too is people who do say they are Christian (for an example in my case this is true) and sometimes they act like they aren't... But also I know Satan hits us with our arrows and we fall
Why does God want me to obey Political leaders? 1. Romans 13:1-7 Every person must obey the leaders of the land. There is no power given but from God, and all leaders are allowed by God. The person who does not obey the leaders of the land is working against what God has done. Anyone who does that will be punished.
Why does God care about HM revenue and taxes?
Romans 13:6-7 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.
For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.
Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake.
For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing.
Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear and honor to whom honor.
The CIA want us to believe in God because if we believe we'll get justice after we're dead we won't demand a fair redistribution of wealth here in the real world, Christians are CIA dupes working to prop up an inequitable social system, religion is evil, it must be eradicated so we can live in a world of justice and equality.
@Bezbozhnikustanka that's why authorities love religion, ever since the Egyptian pharaos... "Priests keep them dumb and calm, kings , czars and presidents keep them poor. Stalin was buddies with the primate. Etc...
Imagination. How do humans write books about worlds that don't exist? Imagination. Sometimes Imagination matches reality. How did George Orwell foresee a future where televisions had cameras? Did God tell him, or did he envision something that didn't exist which later existed?
I'm also not sure "springs of the seas" didn't mean an underwater forest or something along those lines that would be associated with spring. The bible talks about entering them- you don't really "enter" the springs of the seas as in fissures of water coming up from rocks.
the "circle" of the Earth could be talking about a rounded patch of grass. And if religion really did know all this, why didn't Job know that cosmic forces like gravity held up the Earth and the Earth rotated around the sun. Why are some facts known but not others?
Religion could be correct, but these two examples really don't prove it. This is far from a checkmate. I'm not even atheist, I'm agnostic.
This book talks about witches, unicorns, and talking snakes. I will never take it seriously. Thanks to the bible, crazy conspiracy theorists think I am the direct descendant of giants based just off my blood type. Scientific facts? Yeah right. And the ones who do present are not well explained.
This is also an opinion giving site. If you don't want to hear it, don't post anything. However, the block option is available. But that does mean that I automatically win.
Definitive bullshit like this should be banned on this site, just like flat earthers, homeopaths, and anti-vaxxers.
You people are a plague on the surface of the earth, and an insult to the intelligent men and women who used to share your religion but never ONCE felt the need to lie in order to proselytise.
What you've shown is that you suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect. No, on second thought, you seem to be choosing to be an ignorant fool. My opinion, consisting of quotes from a book by a prominent biblical scholar, was intended to spark some sort of critical thinking in your brain, but in your response you instead chose to parrot the same garbage as before. I tried to make you think, but you expressed your desire not to. By doing so, you've shown us that you don't want care about the truth.
@JenSCDC: Bible "Scholar" Please. You funny. You're don't know nothing regarding the Bible. So I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish here.
Face it Jen, you hate the light of God's word and God himself and perfer your sins and high minded, arrogant ways than to humble yourself before God and ask for forgiveness because of your harden and prideful heart won't let you do it.
How am I being arrogant? I freely admit I know very little about the Bible. Did I say "this is how you interpret the Bible, period."? No, I posted quotes by an expert on the subject. _You_ have shown arrogance by -at least this the impression that I get- dismissing his ideas without thinking about them. You denigrate him by putting scholar in quotes. What makes you think you know enough to dismiss him and his work? What's your publication record? Do you even know Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek?
People on here saying there is no science in the Bible either haven't read it or just don't want to accept that there is some there.
That being said, I don't think this Take did a very good job of identifying science in the Bible. You don't have too many examples and the ones you do have aren't explained very well. You don't explain the scriptures at all but rather just leave them in there for people to interpret themselves which makes it easy for them to deny your claim. Plus, you could have used stronger verses. For instance, 1 Corinthians 15:41 talks about how every star is different. That would've been been a better verse than the ones you used, especially since, scientifically, the statement is true. And Jeremiah 31:35-36 literally describes the astronomical movement of the sun and the effects of the moon's gravity on the ocean.
I think you had the right idea. I just think it wasn't executed very well.
Yeah, I know but I was lazy. I was going to put more scriptures in context of what I used but I didn't feel like making this Mytake long or writing to much.
Ok you're entitled to your own beliefs, There's some (a lot) of things I find extremely inaccurate but that's my viewpoint based on my understanding of science. -Adam and Eve- The basic story is they have two sons (Not counting religions like The Church of Latter Day saints whose views include other descendants depending who you ask which leads to a whole mess of a debate) so Cain murders Abel and flees to another land and meets a female. Wait if he, his late brother, and parents are the ONLY homo sapiens sapiens wouldn't that mean he mated with a Neanderthal or other hominid. Which leads to a discussion on Human evolution. Little things like that you know?
That is SO much worse! The bible, if taken literally, infers that we are the products of incest, and not only that, it does so twice (Noah and his family).
My relationship with God is not dependent on the Bible being literal truth. It makes it a lot easier for me to keep my mind open for all the things God reveals to us every day about ourselves, this Earth, how we are meant to love one another.
It frees me to meditate on thoughts about deeper meanings in the holy texts, so that my relationship with the word is a living one.
It frees me to explore the sacred texts of other religions to find the universal truths that bond me to all my brothers and sisters upon this Earth. And it allows me to learn where the sources of our conflicts arise.
I don't know what it is like to be like you. I don't want to follow a dogma that tells me to go around being an anoyance to everyone all the time, shoving specious nonsense in people's faces instead of just embracing and embodying the radically inclusive love of Christ.
See, that's what I don't get about you at all. It's this whole superiority complex you have. It's really offensive. Not because of Satan influencing me to hate you, or God's word for that matter. You're just plain offensive, and you defame Jesus' teachings by being this way.
It's a choice you make to be like this. Jesus never asked this of you - to be such a jerk about talking about religion, to be so condemning, judgmental, absolutist, etc. (Not that I am not being judgmental here too.)
I'm not trying to fight with you. I don't hate you at all. In fact, I think it is good that you take your faith very seriously. I feel the same way. It's an intense and serious thing for me that goes to my core of being. I think a lot of religious people never achieve that - it's a hard way to live, to have that open channel to God kind of vulnerable all the time. It takes a lot of trust to be open to God that way all the time. I get the impression that this is something you experience too.
"I just say what God's word teaches" No, you just mindlessly parrot English translations and show that you've make no effort to actually understand what the Bible says and why it says it. You give the impression that you worship the Bible instead of God.
@JenSCDC this guy is just a loser and a troll. what the anon said is everything right and according to the Christian way of life. I wish the Inquisition comes back to take care of herectic trolls who keeps shitposting in public... oh the good old days
It's impressive that you continue to share Christian messages, but likely falling on deaf ears. Nevertheless, keep doing it.
The Holy Bible is the ONLY book ever published that contained so much prophecy that has already come true. None other. It truly is remarkable - the word of God spoken through man.
Einstine predicted time dilation and gravitational lenseing, quantum theory predicts some weird shit, yet it's been tested and the results are cosistant with the theory, what has the Bible ever predicted?
@Bezbozhnikustanka Google the term prophecy. The Bible has some 200 prophecies and about 80% of them have come true. It is the only book ever written that does this.
Nice, cool Nietzsche quote. I read Thus spoke Zarathustra but much of it was over my head.
However, I'm not sure of what your point is or what it proves... I think the men who wrote the bible had some incite, they were intelligent for their time. Literacy alone was special. However, subject to interpretation and without scientific method they are prone to error. And that is not to say that science isn't subject to it's own prejudices. Science is constantly proving itself wrong. I view religion as incompatible as two sides of the same coin. They are separate, but part of the same way in which we are capable of explaining things. Science will never be able to explain "it all" and their will always be a need for faith...
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Funny how you posted a quote from Nietzsche, a nihilist who wanted to take control of his like without some God above him. This is not nearly enough evidence to prove that god exists. In addition, why is Christianity the one true religion? As an atheist, I don't like the idea of religion but I do understand that it gives believers comfort. Let people believe in what they want, because let's face it: no religions in the world have legitimate proof.
I can't really be bothered to look at these links, especially since one of them read "why christianity is the only true religion of god". I feel like people are jumping to conclusions here. Just because I find an ivory horn on the ground doesn't mean an invisible unicorn exists in my house.
Jesus christ, it's litteraly hard to read the stuff you write because my hand keeps getting in the way ( facepalm) The way i see it you start this the wrong way. You can't start with the assumption that god is real and wrote or inspired the bible, then read the bible looking for ANY vague text that can be interpreted or twisted into a meaning you like. Seems to me the bible was writen as some sort of tip book with tips and morals the writers wanned to pass on. If you have a thousands of thoseit would be weird if you could not nitpick the few that can be inteprated in a way you like that is still relevant today. I don't see how that is any support for there being a god. You would basicly have to prove there is a god, and that he had any part in the makings of the bible to prove it's his word. Of course you can't do that since the bible and other just as ridiculous holy books is the only thing indicating any such thing may even exist.
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Peter 1:20-21:
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
Nothing I put its vague. God was the force behind the Bible being writtin. Its his word.
If don't want to aceept it, believe me that's fine with me.😊
And the fact that you keep siting bible verses like they are his word, without any indication he wrote or inspired them or even exist is why every comment you have is arrogant, ignorant and retarted.
@JenSCDC No mather how contradictory, unmoral and unsensical something in the bible is, he'll just keep interpreting and twisting it in any way he can to keep his delusions. Indoctrination aka brainwashing should really be considered child abuse.
"Sure they are metaphors in some parts to convey a message, but the immense majority like 98% is literal and clear as a whistle and I accept it all"
98% of the total, or 98% of the instances where there's the potential for contradiction? There's a huge difference. To illustrate what I mean, let's assume that you're a cop trying to evaluate the the trustworthiness of an informant. Which statement would be more meaningful for you: "I tell the truth 98% of the time", or "98% of the time no one can contradict me?" (Yeah, it's a totally unrealistic exaggerated oversimplification, but I'm sure that you can see the point that I'm trying to make.)
@JenSCDC: 98% total in literal terms. And quit saying the God's word contradicts itself. I'm pretty sure you're just going off heresay and haven't rellu studied the Bible.
There are no contradictions in the Bible. Period.
I have studied the Bible for years and haven't found none. 😊
Trying to attach the Bible to science is only detrimental to Christians, because then actual scientists come to explain your "checkmate." There's no way I can know for sure if the Bible speaks the truth or not, but faith is a tricky little thing that sets itself apart from science.
The Bible starts off with God first before anything. Science dictates that I come first. I don't say that narcissistically, I say that meaning that science says we should fend for ourselves. Not praise a higher power.
Man, those connections are reaching. The Bible has zero primary source documents to back it up. The New Testament didn't start getting penned until 60-70 AD. The authors are largely unknown aside from Paul. The self proclaimed Apostle. Struck down on the road to Damascus. Witnessed by whom. Had a disagreement with Peter at Antioch regarding the conversion of gentiles to Christianity. If both were authors of the Bible and both were getting the proverbial text message from God then why the disagreement? Why the new law and no more burnt offerings? Eye for eye becomes "Turn the Other Cheek" with the new law. Did God decide he messed up and change his mind? Throw in tales of virgin births, diety, resurrection and tell me I'm going to hell if I don't swallow the whole story? Yeah right. Keep drinking the Kool Aid.
i2.kym-cdn.com/.../f04.png ... you quote Nietzsche... a staunch believer in Atheism and created fundamental values of Nazism.. an ideology that rejects a majority of religious sentiments. Nice.
Everything is finished, just as the bible says. Allelujah...
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Nothing is finished. The guy in the video attributes this to "the first law of thermodynamics" imgflip.com/s/meme/Computer-Guy-Facepalm.jpg for the love of god.. The law says that energy can neither be created nor destroyed. In fact, it speaks quite the opposite. It immediately suggests that nothing is finished.
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