Why I regret being raised Catholic!

Catholics aren’t bad people, but they hurt people with their good intentions.
Catholics aren’t bad people, but they hurt people with their good intentions.

Catholicism is probably literally one of the most sexually repressive and suppressive cultures to possibly be raised in. It all but guarantees you won’t lose your virginity until your 20’s. Depending on how bad tour brainwashing was, and whether or not you went to a public school system growing up.

Get it bad enough, like I got it, and you don’t begin realizing what had happened to you until at least age 20 when you begin to compare your life experience with others your age or younger.

For those who don’t know, here’s what Catholicism has to say about sexuality:

source: https://valerietarico.com/2016/01/23/15-screwed-up-catholic-ideas-that-may-affect-your-sex-life-even-if-youre-not-religious/

The Catholic hierarchy is obsessed with sex: who does it, when, how, with whom, and for what purpose. In fact, I might argue that one way conservative religion hooks people is by creating psychological hang-ups about sex, for which it then claims to offer a solution.

Sexual intimacy and sexual pleasure are two of humanity’s most cherished experiences. A recent study showed that sex makes people even happier than religion does. The Church knows that. It also knows that forbidding something we crave—making it taboo—can make the craving stronger. It’s the perfect set-up for an institution trafficking in guilt and redemption.

Most people, including most lay Catholics and many clergy, recognize that the old men running the Vatican hold some archaic and ignorant notions about sex. What we often don’t recognize, though, is how many of our own sexual hang-ups come from religion. Even if you are secular you likely have been infected with noxious ideas that come straight from the Ancient Near East and Medieval Europe by way of the Catholic Church or derivative Protestant sects.

If you want to live by your own values when it comes to sex, it might help to ask yourself which of these ideas and messages have gotten inside you in some form–and then check them against reality.

1. Sex is for procreation, which means sex for “mere pleasure” is bad and safeguarding against ill-conceived pregnancy makes you cheap. If you don’t want a baby in nine months you should keep your legs together or your zipper up.

Catholic “pro-life” theologian Monica Miller recently earned herself a Facebook meme when she said that Planned Parenthood should get no federal funding because “the kind of sexual ethic that Planned Parenthood promotes is sex for recreation, sex for mere pleasure.” If Miller spent more time studying biology instead of theology, she might not have made herself a laughingstock. Research shows that sex for “mere pleasure” improves mental and physical health, strengthens pair bonds and eases conflicts between partners, and it does so in a wide variety of species, not just humans.

2. Sex without marriage is “fornication”—the kind of evil sin that, if you are unrepentant, can send you straight to hell.

I honestly don’t know how adults can think eternal torture is a proportional punishment for anything, let alone consensual sex. Seriously. Some Christians need to get a handle on their warped moral sensibilities.

Maybe in the Iron Age sex without a legal contract risked real damage to social structures that helped people survive in the fragile desert environment of the Ancient Near East. (See Point 3.) Or maybe it just threatened the power of patriarchal males who wanted to control female sex for the same reasons lions and chimps do. In other words, maybe ancient Christian sex rules once promoted wellbeing, and maybe they didn’t. Either way, it’s worth asking yourself which is the greater evil:

A teen having sex with their high school sweetie.
Telling a high school kid they are going to be tortured forever because they had sex with their sweetie.
Actually torturing them forever.
3. Girls should stay “pure” until they get married.

Abstinence till marriage was designed for the Iron Age, when our ancestors had no other way to manage their fertility and society was structured around paternal genealogies. “Mama’s baby, Papa’s maybe” didn’t cut it. So, it makes sense that Iron Age males came up with a model of marriage that treated a fertile female the way dog breeders treat a purebred bitch: Keep an eye on her till she’s sexually mature. When she’s ripe and ready, sell her. Keep her away from stray males. If one rapes her, make him keep her. You break it, you buy it. That’s the model in the Bible.

Mercifully, a few things have changed in the last 2,000 years. We no longer think of a woman’s womb as an economic asset belonging to first her father and then her husband. We also have far better options for preventing pregnancy—abstinence sure, if you like, but also condoms and Pills, and even IUDs and implants that effectively flip the fertility switch to “off” till you want it on. Unlike our Iron Age ancestors, we can enjoy sexual intimacy and still ensure that babies get born into families that are ready to welcome and care for them. It’s true that sex can be emotionally complicated, and sometimes abstaining is wise. But the sex rules in the Bible were designed for a technologically-primitive society that no longer exists.

4. Sex is dirty. If cleanliness is next to godliness, then what could possibly be less godly than cum or period blood and vaginal goo.

Sex is nasty when you’re not into it (and sometimes even when you are), and the people who made up the sex rules for the Church lacked access to modern hygiene, so it was even more slimy back then. They couldn’t shower or douche or rinse with a bidet. They lacked deodorants and wipes. The sheets, or whatever passed for bedding, had to be washed by hand. Rubbers weren’t rubber. Even Cleopatra had to rely on shoving crocodile dung up her vagina to prevent pregnancy.

So what. Something can be squicky and still be pleasurable, cherished, important, or health-promoting. Giving birth, for example. Breastfeeding. Cooking the flesh of other animals. Drinking from a cow. Composting. Doing surgery. Caring for a sick child. Having an abortion. Organ donation. Cremating the dead. Whether or not something triggers our “yuck factor” has little to do with moral virtue or the value that it adds to our lives.

5. Masturbation is degenerate and damaging, and Someone is watching every time you get off.

The Church historically has made all manner of ridiculous threats to dissuade masturbation: Hair on your hands! Warts! Blindness! –Like God doesn’t have anything better to do than hide in a dark corner with a stick and wait for us to wank or twiddle?

Masturbation is a very normal part of what it means to be a sexual being. It is the first way that most children experience sexual pleasure and a part of life for over 90 percent of people. It can help relieve stress, migraines, insomnia, or menstrual cramps. That said, it does mean less time thinking about Jesus. Or maybe not. How did Jesus get to be so hot?

6. Anal sex is called “sodomy” for a reason—God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah by raining down fire from heaven.

As odd as it might sound to a modern audience, many Bible scholars think that the fatal sin in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is inhospitality, not anal sex.

But theological debates aside, we’re talking about a story from a sexual dark age. In the Old Testament, a man can freely fuck his wife’s slave or keep a harem of his own, including girls he acquired as war booty. Israelite soldiers collect foreskins the way renegade soldiers collected trophy ears during the Vietnam War. Women who can’t get pregnant eat mandrake roots, like in Harry Potter. A guy gets his descendants permanently cursed by seeing the penis of his passed-out-drunk father. God is cool with a clan of Semites deceiving and then killing all the men from another tribe because one guy is too interested in their sister.

Is this book really where you want to look for guidance on anal sex or queer love?

7. Virginity is a thing. In fact, it’s the thing, since only a girl with a pristine vagina could possibly be good enough bear the Son of God.

According to the Cult of the Pristine Vagina, your first sexual encounter changes you as radically and permanently as a grub’s metamorphosis into a dragonfly—only in reverse. From dragonfly to grub, lollypop to licked lollypop, gum to chewed gum. From virgin to slut.

The Catholic obsession with virginity has all manner of unintended consequences: Evangelical and Catholic youth, desperate to keep those vaginas immaculate, are turning to the lesser sin of Sodomy, hilariously spoofed in the Garfunkel and Oats song, “God’s Loophole.”

In Quebec, most Catholic girls are given the middle name of Marie, in honor of the possibly mythic female who, we are told, was impregnated by God at age 13 without ever having done the nasty, and who has been known for at least 1,500 years as “The Blessed Virgin.” But what does this Virgin Birth Story say to our daughters about the value of their brains (or character) as compared to their hymens? It sure doesn’t communicate what I want to say to mine:

Sexual purity is a made-up social construct—far too small to define us. You are your ideas, your values, your dreams and your loves. You are your sorrows and joys. You are what you experience and what you create. You are how you live and who you serve. Sticking something in your vagina has about as much power to define you as sticking something in your ear.
8. Women come in three models: Virgin, Madonna, and Whore; a female is a cherry ripe for the picking, a beatific mother, or a slut.

That Garfunkel and Oat song about Catholic virginity may be funny, but for generations the cult of female virginity has devastated lives. The Irish used to commit “fallen” women to institutions called Magdalene Asylums where inmates provided slave labor for profitable laundries run by the Church. The movie, Philomena, starring Judi Dench, is based on the true life experience of a teen who was sent to one of these institutions and later spent years hunting for her son. By the time the practice ended in 1996, over 30,000 women had been imprisoned, some for life, simply because they were raped or unmarried and pregnant, or judged promiscuous.

No, that date wasn’t a typo. The last Magdalene laundry wasn’t closed till 1996. How old were you? I was 36, with a graduate degree, two healthy daughters, and a husband I loved—living the life of my dreams in part because I had been free to explore my sexuality, manage my fertility and end an unhealthy pregnancy without being disowned or imprisoned.

9. In men, sexual abstinence is a moral virtue and a sign of a good spiritual leader.

The idea that sexual abstinence confers virtue isn’t unique to Christianity—think Buddhist monks or Hindu sadhus—but it is messed up any way you look at it. We have absolutely no reason to believe that men who don’t have sex are more compassionate, or smarter, or wiser than other men; or more kind or curious or discerning; or more devoted to love and truth (the two virtues most esteemed in the Bible). And we certainly have no reason to think they are better positioned to help guide ordinary people through the practical moral complexities of everyday life. In fact, we have every reason to think that priestly abstinence fueled the Catholic Church’s pedophilia scandal.

Denying yourself pleasure has little to do with caring about the pleasure or pain of others. In fact, it can be distracting, creating a false sense of virtue when none is actually merited. Teetotalers of various kinds have a reputation for being self-righteous and judgmental, and sexual teetotalers have a remarkable track record of hypocrisy—not exactly spiritual virtues.

10. If a man is really devoted to God, then abstinence is no problem.

Yeah, right.

For the record, clergy who exploit their power and authority to molest children must be held accountable for their own behavior, and stopped. Even so, at some level, pedophile priests, along with the tens of thousands they have molested or raped, are victims of cynical Church teachings motivated at least in part by greed.

In the Middle Ages the Vatican saw priestly abstinence as a way to prevent the offspring and wives of clergy from being entitled to support or inheritance from Church coffers. Absent contraception, sex with adult females is financially inconvenient because, when women get pregnant, resources get divided among their offspring. The Church may be willing to impose this financial cost on desperately poor families, but God forbid that the Vatican’s vast wealth and real estate holdings get dispersed to the children of clergy.

11. Female consent is not a big deal: A virgin should be given in marriage by her father, a slut always wants it, and a married woman has no right to deny her husband his due.

Why have Christians and Christian-dominant cultures gotten mutuality and consent so wrong for so long? One reason is that the Bible never says that a woman’s consent is needed—or desired—before sex. In fact, like many ancient myths, the Bible accepts and even condones nonconsensual sex. Imagine how different Christian history (and derivative modern cultures) would be if the Ten Commandments said, “Don’t have sex with anyone who doesn’t want to.”

The fact that a modern man can’t trade his daughter for a goat, as happened in Old Testament times, does mean things are moving in the right direction, but that’s exactly why we need to keep talking about consent.

Our cultural agreements and norms are in flux, and that garbles social signals: A father may not hover over his daughter, but that doesn’t mean her body is up for grabs. A teen may dress like a hooker; that doesn’t mean she is asking for sex. The fact that a college student agreed to “Netflix” doesn’t mean she has agreed to “chill.” A sexually-experienced woman can be just as traumatized by rape as one with no experience. And nothing kills arousal—or turns attraction into revulsion—faster than service station sex; so if conservatives want people to stay married, recommending that women simply roll on their backs is a really bad idea.

The only way to navigate the evolution of sexual norms with a minimum of harm is to talk—a lot. Even then people are going to get things wrong, but that doesn’t mean we should retreat into the Iron Age.

12. As a woman, if sex or menstruation or childbirth hurts or a pregnancy test comes back positive at a bad time, accept your lot in life. Que será, será. Go with the flow. Let go and let God. And blame the misery on that uppity female, Eve, who just couldn’t resist eating from the tree of knowledge.

No. No. No. No. No.

Sex shouldn’t hurt, painful periods can be treated, childbirth doesn’t need to be hellish, and you are right to have dreams and aspirations. Being born female is not a punishment. Taking responsibility doesn’t mean simply accepting your lot in life; it means shaping it.

This world needs women who are strong and visionary, inventive and courageous, playful and bold—not women who are hobbled by miserable monthlies and unmanaged fertility that make their future (and that of their families) a crap shoot.

13. Having sex under less than ideal circumstances is going to ruin your life as well as your afterlife and vagina because you reap what you sow.

Virtually every adult has had sexual contact they regretted. Sometimes it hurts, physically. Sometimes it messes with your head—and a really bad sexual encounter or relationship can do damage that needs healing. Sometimes—afterwards—we need a good scrub or a good cry or STI treatment, or the morning after pill or an abortion or a therapist. But bad sex, stupid sex, or even assault doesn’t have to ruin your life. Most of the time we learn from our mistakes and heal our traumas, and then we move on to experience intimacy that feels wholesome and right for us.

14. Sex is sacred, even sacramental—so important that it’s worth scripting your life around having the right kind and avoiding the wrong kinds.

Yes, sex is wonderful. Orgasm is a pleasure unlike any other, and sexual intimacy releases powerful feelings of wellbeing and connection. There’s a good evolutionary reason for that. But honestly, life offers many other forms of intimacy and pleasure. Those of us who aren’t jacked on adolescent hormones or else devoting major psychic energy to sexual repression have better things to do most of the time—things like being kind, curious, imaginative, industrious or nurturing—or savoring one of life’s other delights. Just because the Church is obsessed with sex doesn’t mean we all are.

15. Children born outside of wedlock are illegitimate bastards. This means, biblically speaking, that they are not real sons (Hebrews 12:8) and that their mere presence can somehow taint their surroundings (Deuteronomy 23:2).

Enlightened societies judge a person by character, not paternity, and modern people generally think it’s wrong to punish a child for something their parent did wrong, even something so horrendously bad as having sex without marriage.

For 200 years Americans have been fighting to bring our society into alignment with our founding ideals—that all of us are created equal—regardless of the circumstances of our birth. No child is illegitimate. Nobody’s birthright should depend on the marital status of their parents. When the moral consciousness of the Church lags behind civil society by centuries, maybe that should tell us something about where to look for inspiration.


When it comes to sexuality, many religious authorities are stuck in a set of scripts optimized for the Iron Age, literally, and adapted during the Dark Ages. Some Church teachings about sex, like priestly celibacy, are so harmful that they threaten the whole institution, while others simply harm us as individuals. But the old conservatives at the top are terrified of change, afraid that if they lose their grip on sex and reproduction they will lose their grip, period.

Religious authorities will adapt only if forced to do so by empowered women who take charge of their own bodies and destiny, and men who cherish creative equality, and queer folk who invalidate archaic binaries simply by living and loving. So, be one. Or partner one. Or raise one.

Why I regret being raised Catholic!
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  • Britantic
    Lol of course very little of this is accurate unless you were around pre-1960. I was raised Catholic and my experience differed completely from yours.
    1. Sex is for procreation but Catholics far from refraining from sex have always had a lot of sex for pleasure hence the large families Catholics have historically always had compared to white Anglo Saxon prodestants with their heir and a spare and separate beds.
    2 "Sex without marriage is “fornication”." But yet before the invention of the pill Catholics had a lot of sex outside of marraige and because pregnancy is a natural result of sex many couples married for that very reason. Catholics probably had more sex in the past than people do now.
    3. The whole marrying a virgin thing was a necessity in the past as there was no contraception and a woman who wasn't "pure" could mean you end up raising a child thst is not your own or catching an STD. In the past there was no real cures for STDs.
    4. Sex is dirty? People have had decent hygiene since the 1800s.
    5. Masturbation is a waste and that energy should be placed into something more constructive for the day he marries. Young men and women back in the day had the time to abuse themselves.
    6. Anal sex is unhygenic, your essential sticking a dick up a shit pipe. Not every gay man engage in anal sex.
    7. I've never meet a Catholic girl older than 16 that was still a virgin. The Catholic prohibition of premarital sex and importance put on Virginity actually encourages& tempts Catholic teens to have premarital sex & to lose their virginity sooner that teens raised in a secular environment.
    8. Virgin, Madonna, and Whore. This is mostly true though many a whore presents themselves as a virgin, many a virgin present a themselves as a whore and if your going to marry a woman then you want a Madonna. Just a historical case of we men putting the vagina on a pedestal.
    Fallen homes for girls who got pregnant outside of marraige were not just in Ireland or just in the Catholic church. There was a scandal in Spain a few years ago where doctors in conjunction with priests and nuns were telling young mothers of poor families their babies had died. In Britain women who had sex or kids outside of marraige as well as gay kids were institutionalised for the rest of their lives. Often institutionalised women got pregnant mysteriously and abortion or adoption happen a lot.
    9. No man would follow a sexually absent man. In the old days priests tended to come from rich Catholic families, usually if a first born son was unworthy of being the heir or if one of the sons was gay or a pervert he was shifted off to the priesthood.
    Is this still revelant?
    • Robertcw

      I copied and pasted the points from the linked article, but it is a very accurate description of how I was raised to think.

      I was in catholic schools all the way through high school. And of course women would lose their virginity younger and more often than men, obviously.

      In my case, however, my family is quite prudish. My grandmother had 6 children, and 3 miscarriages. She never went more than one year not being pregnant because she was a hardcore Spanish catholic and didn’t believe birth control was ethical or morally correct.

      This rubbed off on my mother. Tonight she complained about neighbors partying in their backyards on a Saturday night. It’s messed up. And it does affect people negatively. especially if they actually believe this stuff (and I did when I was younger).

    • Robertcw

      Among other things, I’m still uncomfortable around my family and cannot talk to them about sexuality at all. I probably never will be able to.

    • Britantic

      10. If a man is devoted to God then he can remain abstentant. The abstentance is a personal scarafice so they can committ themselves completely to the church. In the past priests came mostly from wealthy catholic families and it was common for a for first born son who wasn't felt worthy to inherit to be forced into the priesthood, the same was true of a son who was gay or a sexual deviant or who was maybe autistic.
      11 female consent is not a catholic issue but historically a world issue, it was only in 1990 that martial rape was considered a crime.
      12. As a woman let me tell you I can't lay about in my bed for 3 days a month feeling sorry for myself, I have to get on with my life and suck it up, and it's kinda the same with childbirth. Just something most women have to deal with.
      13. Up until the invention of the pill and modern medicine this was mostly true espicially for women.
      14. If you are doing it with that special someone then sex is sacred. If you don't fell that way maybe your not doing it the right way.
      15. This was done mostly to protect the wife and her children's inheritance as another woman could deliberately get pregnant for the purposes of her child being entitled to a portion of their father's property. Also before paternity tests If a woman was sexually promiscuous and a had a child there was no way to tell who the child's father was. So the shame of having a bastard child or being a bastard was a way soceity had of discouraging women from having children that had no father to support it and her child.

      I dont think a lit of things on your list are really Catholic issues or have anything to do with empowered women.

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  • StephenCF
    I had the misfortune of being raised Catholic by my religious grandfather in particular. He took me to Mass every Sunday morning, made me pray with him most mornings and nights, once slapped me for saying “Jesus” in vain... 😢😭

    His religious side made him a bit of a lunatic and I’ve never lost that same impression on other Catholics because of it 😠 Don’t get me wrong, I love my grandad and still bond with him and visit him regularly. But since I’ve stopped living with him around the time my mother got married, I’ve mostly avoided all religious discussions and events with him (apart from accompanying him to Mass weekly for several more years but no longer now that he’s too sick to casually leave the house these days). So our relationship is still strong thankfully, though I still judge his self-righteousness, intolerance and condemnation for anyone spiritually different from him as if he knows all truths about how the universe works, a man who never even finished school or went to college... sigh! 😒

    Anyway, I’m glad he failed to have enough of a religious influence on me to turn me into the monster he sometimes could be. Anyone who calls themselves a practicing Catholic or Christian in general, I just really don’t want to associate with them. Despite my upbringing, the faith has become a really big turn-off... and right now, I’m pursuing a Muslim girl anyway 😅❤️
    Is this still revelant?
  • standardguy
    Well, being a real Christian and being catholic is not that big difference in this topic. The God of the bible is against sex outside of the marriage. So you can do what you want or what the creator of the universe wants. Decide wisely...
    Is this still revelant?
    • Robertcw

      Yeah. Trust me I am aware of the teachings. I feel it’s best for me to act outside the confines of the church.

    • So you did not understand my words. It is not about churches but about God and his will. Either you do want God wants or not.

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  • For crying out loud! I spent less time reading War and Peace. Everyone, at least Christians, know that the Catholic Church will be the great whore that is mentioned in Revelation and will be judged harshly by God. The Catholic Church is a joke. They exalt Mary to the point of being almost higher than Jesus. I look on the Catholic Church as being more like a Cult.
  • MysteryPerson70
    and in the same tocken, i'll share why i am thankful not being raised catholic.
    first of all, it's the major Christian counterfeit of the truth, second of all, it's the religion of Satan, he is the ganna rule under this wicked religion when he appears on earth (after the body of Christ is taken up to be with the Lord in the air). third of all, many unbiblical, and practices that come from traditions of men, and not truth found in the King James Bible (like the unholy mass, purgatory, pope, indulgence, cathedrals/"church" buildings (pervert palaces, pagan temples), the devilish trinity and more. fourth of all, the sexual pervert priests in that cult after little boys, fifth of all, the making of all of these modern bibles to try to overthrow and bury the true word of God for the English speakers, the King James Bible. sixth of all, the history of the roman catholic whore of babylon of killing TRUE Christians, after torturing them. seventh of all, threatening people to join their cult, and if not, killy time. and ninth of all, mystery babylon's (roman catholicm's) destructive end is spelled out in Revelation 17 and 18 (as well as other passages and hints in the old and new testament. and you wonder why this devilish system is not looking so good
  • elissa23Trans
    I have distanced myself from all religion and it’s followers. Don’t need cults to tell me how to live my life while they kill thousands of innocent people in the name of an invisible, made up creature.
  • lizziepooh03
    Hogwash. I was raised catholic, had the twelve years of catholic school, had the whole too many siblings because of the big old Catholic family I had growing up...
    • Robertcw

      My grandmother spent every year of her adult life up to menopause pregnant. She was spanish/itallian from Europe. She was actually a first gen immigrant from spain, and grew up in the ghetto of Oakland.

  • MarkRet
    The Catholic Church definitely has an issue with sex. Even the pope had once said that a man should not look at his wife lustfully, so even married couples are made to feel guilty about sex. The Catholic Church is so wrapped up in protocol, they'd rather cover up for a pedophile priest than expose the crime for what it is.
  • MannySimms
    "5. Masturbation is degenerate and damaging, and Someone is watching every time you get off."
    Fine with me. And for Catholics...Why I regret being raised Catholic!Have a nice day!
  • sean1234
    #1. The Roman Empire are a bunch of pegans who are satanists who put on a christian mask to fool people.
    #2. As a real Christian. I dont believe in sex before marriage because most people dont have a actual "LIFE" from doing such premarital activities.
    #3. How can you be sooo weak? You can't wait a few measly years for the right woman?
    • sean1234

      oh and...
      #4. Dont listen to anything from the satanic catholic perspective. They love twisting words, turning the word of God upside down and backwards.

  • I was raised by southern Baptist’s this is nothing. I would crack jokes and make fun of them for being a fundies so we ended up having fun in the end. Just make a joke about Pope Francis touching a young boy and they will be happy.
  • John_Doesnt
    When you think about all the idiots who donate %10 of their income to a church and they just spend those donations on Bling.
    Why I regret being raised Catholic!
    Although the great Catholic Spider does command lots of Bling.
    Why I regret being raised Catholic!
  • Alpha09
    Good take:)
  • MarketNews
    Funny thing is, deep down Catholics know it's all bs.
  • Shuri
    You sound like a crybaby.
  • Good take.
  • Anonymous
    “Good, good... Let the hate flow through you”. We get it, you don’t like it but you had to subject us to that enormous tome of shit?

    Anyway, I love being Catholic... even if I am not the best at it.
    • Robertcw

      I copied and pasted from the link. Didn't want to change anything but wanted to share the writing.

  • Anonymous
    Ancient rules? God's morals know no time. Don't want to follow them? Then go to Hell.
    • Robertcw

      No thanks.

    • Anonymous

      Sin is sin no matter what age we're living in.

  • Anonymous
    Lighten up dude
  • Anonymous

    it is called
    it is a satanic organization just do your back history and you will see
    nothing but a bunch of satanist

    when it comes to sex it is real simple
    have one partner and have a family

    the reason they repress sex is cause of the SEED WAR of GENESIS 3
    they don't want people having kids cause they follow satan and not GOD

    ( your kids satan will be at war with her kids )