Is Nazism in Harmony With Christianity?

[Phanta]

No; it's a good thing that it's not

Yes; it's a good thing that it is

It's neither strongly for nor against Christianity

Christianity and Nazism both stink

Undecided

[Anonymous]

Hitler was allegedly a pagan, after the wishful victory in WW2, he was planning to reintroduce Germanic paganism as an official religion, he even planned to built a pagan temple of Balder (Germanic god of Sun) in Berlin.
A) Hitler was heavily influenced by Pan-Germanist movement, and Lanz von Liebenfels - Austrian occultist who published nationalist and anti-Semitic magazine called Ostara (named after the Germanic goddess).
Hitler was using Christianity just to finish his goals, but that was just pretending.
Furthermore, despite the fact Hitler's parents were Catholics (he was Austrian, not German), he never actually supported Catholic church, mainly because most of the Germans were Luteran Protestants, and because Catholics never liked his Aryan theory on Jesus.

B) Hitler also never supported atheism, in fact, he made various comments against atheistic movements. He associated atheism with Bolshevism, Communism, and "Jewish materialism"

C) Hitler was definitely anti-Christian, and anti-Catholic:
1. According to his confidant Albert Speer, Hitler said that Christianity was the wrong religion for the "Germanic temperament".
2. According to his private secretary Martin Bormann, Hitler was comparing Christianity to Communism, and he actually said that Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child.
3. According to his Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels, Hitler said that he hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity.
Goebbels also wrote that Hitler was "deeply religious but entirely anti-Christian".
4. According to Austrian chancellor Kurt von Schuschnigg, Hitler said that every Germanic national idea throughout history was sabotaged by Austria, the Habsburgs and the Catholic Church.

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[Dchrls78104]

Yet he kept Catholic priest like Franz von Papen around him, so he could exploit them to further his own designs.

[Opinion Owner]

@Dchrls78104 Exactly, that was the plan.

[Anonymous]

Christians are hypocrites when they pretend they don't believe in natural, God-designed social and biological hierarchies much like the Nazi argued, and should feel ideologically ashamed of themselves for it..

[Phanta]

I gave you a thumbs up for your comment. But I think that most Christian believers are actually brainwashed to where they think that all races are equal and the genders are equal.

[Opinion Owner]

That's a fair point

[mistixs]

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." (Gal 3:28)

[Red_Arrow]

@mistixs - Pretty sure Christian quotes are lost on these guys.

[Opinion Owner]

I'd rather spare myself from dogmatic beliefs like those, indeed. I've seen how ideologically inconsistent people become from such.

[AngelLily]

Hitler actually despised Christanity very much www.historyonthenet.com/was-hitler-a-christian

[Dchrls78104]

Hitler kept Catholics like Franz von Papen around, so long as he could exploit them to further his own designs. But in the main, he despised Christians because they would call him out on his racism and his murders of the Jews and others.

[Phanta]

@Dchrls78104 : Nonsense. Christians voted him into office.

[Dchrls78104]

@Phanta and he showed his gratitude by killing thousands, if not millions, of them; all under the watchful eyes of sycophants like Franz von Papen.

[Phanta]

@Dchrls78104 : Wrong.

[ladsin]

I guess C? I'm not sure if I shared this with you before Hitler a Pantheist, Christian, Atheist. Oh My! ↗ but the official stance of the Nazi party was that of Positivist Christianity. A Christianity that I don't think can be reconciled with modern ideas of Christianity, but I suppose that's in the eye of the beholder.

[curiousnorway]

No. Christianity and Nazism are contradictory. Nazism do especially contradict the modern Jesusism Western preach about today, because:

1. Jesus was a Jew. His friends were Jews
2. Jesus said "Love your neighbor..."
3. There's a lot of "Love your enemies..." and "turn you other cheek..." things in the bible too
4. Jesus liked everyone according to Jesusism and thought everyone should treat everyone with respect, even people you doesn't like
5. Jesus healed the sick instead of giving them euthanasia
6. Jesus sacrificed his own life instead of making other sacrifice other's lives without their consent
7. No race are mentioned. Opinions and culture aren't the same as race

[Nuremberg45]

Hitler used catholisism to further his goals, he infact hated religion just like Stalin. Germany was prodominately a christian nation and wouldn't have elected some one who was an athiest. Besides, Christianity, true biblical christianity, would never be compatible with the Nazi ideology

[Dchrls78104]

Exactly and well said. It's a fact to which the eyes of some seem to be closed.

[Vega1]

I was reading somewhere that Hitler made it all up. I think you'll find this interesting.

www.premierchristianity.com/.../Sorry-Whoopi-Hitler-was-no-Christian

www.thoughtco.com/hitler-was-an-atheist-250215

[Dchrls78104]

This was exactly what I was trying to say in my opinion, but it appears to have been lost on at least three persons.

[Timelesswisdom]

Hitler was a satanic occultist, the "Christianity" was just a facade, but those who foolishly reject Christianity will always feed each other strawmen to attack the one true religion with.

[the-mad-german]

Imho Nazism is a subcategory of Socialism and all in all it was a Dictatorship so Hitler used the Church if it was usefull and damned it when it wasn't.

[Dchrls78104]

Certainly true.

[Andy1994]

Lol no. Christianity doesn't teach us to mass murder

[esotericstory]

No because of abortion, also Hitler was not in control of the SS. Himmler was, Himmler was pagan. When invading France the SS destroyed many religious buildings and statues of Christ. They also sometimes locked people in churches to burn them alive.

[i1T2daty]

They n the of this ory of killing people who disagree. So yeah

[zagor]

No, Hitler wanted to supplant Christianity, not spread it.

Auschwitz wasn't a forced-conversion center.

[John_Doesnt]

The Neo-Nazi website clearly says they are a Christian group.

[Red_Arrow]

And you can trust everything that is on the internet.

[John_Doesnt]

@Red_Arrow you can trust the information about a group from their own website.

[Red_Arrow]

Obviously that is when they are most reliable. :-)

[Jackblue]

The Bible makes it pretty clear that faith not blood is the path to God Galatians 3:28, Matthew 3:9.

[Anonymous]

Jesus said "treat other people how you want to be treated." Nazism does the opposite

[Dchrls78104]

No, it is not. Hitler and the Nazis killed millions of innocent people. Nazism violated at least three fundamental principles of Christianity.

[goodlongman]

No --- Atheist, related to Evolution the strong rule

[ladsin]

Certainly not atheist. I wrote a bit about this topic here Hitler a Pantheist, Christian, Atheist. Oh My! ↗ but the short answer is that Hitler and the Nazi party at large espoused a belief in "Positivist Christianity" which I admittedly find irreconcilable with any normative view of Christianity, but that's neither here nor there. They certainly weren't atheists though as they believed in at least one god and believed that god interacted in the world via divine providence. No historian I'm aware of makes the case that the Nazi party was atheistic as that's just contrary to all the evidence.

[goodlongman]

@ladsin - you must have read rewritten history... Google/Yahoo do that a lot. The Nazis where Socialists, anti-GOD and anti-Religion unless it they could use it for their purpose. All Socialists do this whether Fascists or Communists. Christianity does not kill the ill, the old, the mentally unstable, homosexuals. It does not set up gas chambers to try exterminate the Jews, only the godless do this. Christians do not consult demons as Hitter did.
Now in todays society, the Democrats do all these things. Obama had demon ideas throughout the Whitehouse the Trump’s had to remove, and in fact had to perform an exorcism to purge the building of demons that Obama had invited in.

[ladsin]

Well there's a lot there, but suffice it to say that all of the relevant works don't provide any evidence that Hitler or the Nazi party were atheists. You should read my link as it gives some interesting information. That said, you may say that neither Hitler nor the Nazi party were Christians (at least by your definition), but that doesn't mean they were atheists. Whether you think they exist or not there are/ were over at least 4,000 gods believed of in antiquity. None of the believers in those gods were atheists. Even if someone were to worship Satan that would not make them an atheist.

[goodlongman]

@ladsin - maybe you should do a little research first
From Wikipedia
Adolf Hitler's religious beliefs have been a matter of debate; the wide consensus of historians consider him to have been irreligious, anti-Christian, anti-clerical and scientistic.[1] In light of evidence such as his fierce criticism and vocal rejection of the tenets of Christianity,[2] numerous private statements to confidants denouncing Christianity as a harmful superstition,[1] and his strenuous efforts to reduce the influence and independence of Christianity in Germany after he came to power, Hitler's major academic biographers conclude that he was irreligious and an opponent of Christianity.[1] Historian Laurence Rees found no evidence that "Hitler, in his personal life, ever expressed belief in the basic tenets of the Christian church". Ernst Hanfstaengl, a friend from his early days in politics, says Hitler "was to all intents and purposes an atheist by the time I got to know him". However, historians such as Richard Weikart and Alan Bullock doubt the assessment that he was a true atheist, suggesting that despite his dislike of Christianity he still clung to a form of spiritual belief.

[ladsin]

Did you read what you copied from there? All of it has to do with his supposed anti-christian rhetoric. This comes mostly from his Table Talks which I addressed in myTake as being of questionable authenticity as multiple scholars have noted that the Table Talks we have are from a latter French manuscript rather than the original German and the French one appears to take a lot of liberties with the translation.

Again though, being anti-Christian isn't synonymous with being an atheist. Lots of theists are anti-Christian. In fact I'm quite sure most non-Christian theists would be considered anti-Christian.

[goodlongman]

@ladsin - "the wide consensus of historians consider him to have been irreligious, anti-Christian, anti-clerical and scientistic.[1] In light of evidence such as his fierce criticism and vocal rejection of the tenets of Christianity,[2] numerous private statements to confidants denouncing Christianity as a harmful superstition,[1] and his strenuous efforts to reduce the influence and independence of Christianity in Germany after he came to power, Hitler's major academic biographers conclude that he was irreligious and an opponent of Christianity."

"Historian Laurence Rees found no evidence that "Hitler, in his personal life, ever expressed belief in the basic tenets of the Christian church". Ernst Hanfstaengl, a friend from his early days in politics, says Hitler "was to all intents and purposes an atheist by the time I got to know him". However, historians such as Richard Weikart and Alan Bullock doubt the assessment that he was a true atheist, suggesting that despite his dislike of Christianity he still clung to a form of spiritual belief."

What is so hard to read in here he was not a Christian!!!

[ladsin]

Yeah. Either you can’t or won’t read my responses. That’s fine, but I won’t just keep repeating myself. Have a good day man.

[Dchrls78104]

@goodlongman yes, he was; at least in the eyes of those who would ignore such trifling details as the Holocaust and the murders of thousands if not millions of Christians and others under his rule.

[Poormanscomedian]

Lets see Hitler hated Jews and Jesus was a Jew, Jesus was Christ , Christians are Christ like. No connections.

[ladsin]

The Nazi party at least espoused "Positivist Christianity" and they believed Jesus was an Aryan who was destroyed by the Jews.
Plus your rationale doesn't make sense. "Hitler hated Jews and Jesus was a Jew, Jesus was Christ , Christians are Christ like. No connections." That sounds like an implication that Christians are Jews. That's obviously silly. Christians and Jews have a long history of hating each other. You could read Hitler a Pantheist, Christian, Atheist. Oh My! ↗ if you want a bit more on the Christian/ Nazi question, or General Outline Of The Abrahamic Faiths ↗ if you're interested in the relationship between the Abrahamic faiths over time.

[MarketData]

Did Hitler know that Jesus was a Jew?

[ladsin]

No. The Nazi party at least espoused "Positivist Christianity" and they believed Jesus was an Aryan who was destroyed by the Jews.

[Vega1]

And also Jesus wasn't Aryan or white.

[ladsin]

@Vega1 That's the broad consensus yes. That wasn't the belief of the Positivist Christians.

[monkeynutts]

Nah Hitler thought he was the Messiah.

[Paris13]

God Forbid, dude. xx