
As of now, has science already ruled out the possibility of God's existence?


No. Science has not ruled out the possibility of God's existence. The reason for this is that it cannot do so.
The definition of science is "a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws". That said, which science are you talking about? Natural or social? Are you talking about biology, chemistry, and physics or sociology, psychology, and anthropology? Which one's assessment of God would be any better than the others?
So with all that being said, it should be plain to see that, by the very definition itself, science does not have the competence or the authority to disprove the existence of God. That's not all though. Another key reason is that science is not only distinct from, but subordinate to philosophy and logic. Think about it. The scientific method is the logical premise by which a given discipline in science can step beyond its boundaries by making and testing hypotheses; it's based on existing knowledge and what they can reasonably argue and test to see if it supports a proposed conclusion.
For the record, I've heard arguments that the scientific method which is in use today was developed and implemented by the Catholic Church; I do not know enough about this to make an assessment, but the argument has been made and ought to be considered and researched.And finally, the idea that science disproves the existence of God - or makes the argument extremely difficult - would undermine the educational apostolate of many orders and societies of priests and religious monks and nuns in the Catholic Church, such as the Jesuits. Likewise with the many other schools and universities run by the Church. Either these people are phenomenal liars and manipulators or they understand that science presents no threat at all to the primary mission of the Church, which is to save souls.
So, all that being said, the claim that science can rule out the existence of God is not only wrong and not only impossible, but utterly laughable and preposterous.
I respect the idea and belief. When I’m told Jesus loves me I’m enamored. I understand what the person is conveying. i don’t think love is to be expressed in a specific way though for me love is the answer. The light is in me. Jesus don’t look like he’s form the Middle East as much so as he does look like the guy monks forced others to believe via persecution and violence. For me I view it as an impressive set of beliefs that have traversed through the human timeline because it clicks with so many. I mean it’s rather impressive as is Hinduism, Buddhism, spiritualality, chakra energy’s whatever helps spread the love. I believe kindness to be successs so if you’re not hurting yourself or others do you boo boo. I’m just too much of a critical thinker to believe prayer (positive self talk) which I see as faith or hope and “let go let god” to me alleviates a person the accountability they need to accept in order to be a true agent in making meaningful change in their personal journey. Call me old school, but own your ishh. Same time trauma is a bitch and god left me hanging. I don’t even trust my mon100% and she’s my hero. I only trust me. Eventually that’ll probably be a part of my demise if im being honest-without getting to deep. Lol. No more labels or attaching meaning to everything people. Whatever it is or why we’re here on this planet I do now that just to exist be hard enough. If not death sunrise and sunset then take it it with a grain of salt. Facts are just widely similarly grouped opinions of the like mind-think critically. It sounds cheesy but we need love. I don’t need Jesus I need love. I remember the hurt face on my mom when I first told her that. She took it personally which is true for her but not for me though love will never be severed. That’s my mom. Religion from the get go is divisive. To the political old white dues with small dicks telling women how to have babies along with old ass white women who wouldn’t take care of a black or brown child they deem is “a life to protect ” as they vote it into poverty and play their role in generational struggle with actually realizing a belief that we all are equal. We’re not. Religion from the moment crusaders gutted each other out fighting for the same ish but not really, it was for greedy kings, demonstrate humans are conniving loving and a learning species. Just love. Self love is survival.
All this coherent system we live in, was it created by a "bigbang" or by a bigger force that controls the universe? Were you created by chance and without a purpose in life? Why are you here then?
Furthermore, don't we agree that humans have souls even though we can't see them, so it isn't a requirement to see something to believe it's existence..
All these clues in this world for us to see, how can we ask for God to show himself to us, we sinners, how arrogant can we be?
Sciences and religion do not contradict themselves actually, they complement each other
I know I didn't answer your question, I shared some of my thoughts but I have no phd on this subject even if I can find you some books to read, if ever you are interested..
I think you can build a pretty solid case against the notion that "A god exists", however, due to the constantly changing character of the story, and the fact that people can give god any attribute they want, I don't think it'll be possible to declare god obsolete with any absolute certainty.
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Science is a tool for explaining the natural, God is Supernatural. The supernatural is that which is beyond the natural or natural phenomena. The natural can be seen and replicated, the supernatural is present, but cannot be natural replicated. Macro Evolution (changing from species to species) has neither been observed nor replicated, meaning it is unnatural. It requires supernatural belief to believe everything evolved from nothing and that animals evolved into people.
Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Romans 1:18 - 20
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
no. and it can never do that. because the concept of god is infinitely malleable and variable. there's actually a mocking term we have for god in science. it's called "god of the gaps". cause god seems to work like this: people claim shit about god, then science proofs them to be wrong. so they make new theories that fit within the confines of the new scientific knowledge, untill that is also proven wrong. so the space in which the god ideology can exist gets smaller and smaller.
However it is a fact that sicence will never know "everything". there's always gonna be gaps in human knowledge. thus there will always be "gaps" that this god idea can take refuge in, even if those get smaller and smaller as time goes on.
fun question for you: judging by what i just said, what do you think my religious confession is?
Thanks for sharing your opinion, but I'm hopeless at guessing games🤣
haha ok. i was wondering if i was giving off strong hints.
The scientific method rather relates to the material world, not existential or metaphysical concerns. Scientism or scientific reductionism is extending this out to our philosophical outlook, which I do not feel is justified: But is the unconscious prevailing paradigm ruling our outlook.
In any case, if we have our eyes open, we can see many weaknesses in our science and the knowledge it has yielded. It is marvelous on many fronts, but extremely poor and deluded on others.
Incidentally, framing the question in the way you have kind of does so as a strawman which enables 'science' to 'win' the argument. It is important to differentiate between esoteric potential metaphysical facets of existence, and exoteric codified and dogmatic religions which arguably reflect human frailty.
Yup, read hawkings last book. Black holes, like the universe before the Big Bang, condense into a singularity. In this ultra-packed point of mass, gravity is so strong that it distorts time as well as light and space. Simply put, in the depths of a black hole, time does not exist. Because the universe also began as a singularity, time itself could not have existed before the Big Bang. Hawking's answer, then, to what happened before the Big Bang is, "there was no time before the Big Bang." "We have finally found something that doesn’t have a cause, because there was no time for a cause to exist in," Hawking wrote. "For me this means that there is no possibility of a creator, because there is no time for a creator to have existed in."
Ignorance to new reads.. and overconfidence of knowing everything are not two good traits. But no the less the i gave the most recent answer if you choose to ignore it and forget it that's not my problem tbh. This opinion wasn't really targeted at you so idc if you chose to not believe it.
Again overconfidence to know everything especially since i am gonna guess your not a high level scientist who pretty much gave his life to science and did more research and work then you ever did have done in that field. And put a lot of working into black holes literally the guy who predicted there existence. Then saying nah he don't know anything on it is very dumb thing to say sir.
If a doctor trained all his life to be one then became one then focused specifically on a type of surgery i am pretty sure he would know a lot on it. But sure. Your ignorance is honestly astounding. And i put no faith in it what so ever. It's simply the most recent answer that makes perfect sense and has yet to be disproven.
Me: This guy said something and then changed it and then changed it again. I don't think flip flopping is a good indication that I should value what he says on this one topic, especially after I have read about the subject already.
You: Omg, you are SO overconfident. You just accused him of not knowing ANYTHING on the topic! You are so ignorant!
Takes one part out the convo rather than the full context of what you said. To try make a point that i look dumb for calling you something when if a person actually reads the full convo they would see why i would call you that. Forgetting the things you said and only saying a couple of them to then make me look wrong. Just shows to me your really grasping as straws and trying to make me look bad for no reason. Also wasn't even what you said just made up some random quotes that never existed.
No because God is a being that´s never gonna be completely described humans. See at that way many of Europeans´ highest scolars had the same thought at the turning point from 19th to 20th century. They also said because of all the scientific adventures and the intellectual state of society there is no need for God because humanity is at its peak.
The century that followed is known to be the darkest century in human history. So I´d ask the question if we want to repeat history because humanity isn´t good at learning quickly from mistakes.
Don't be so naïve.
Science has only discovered something like 13% of the physical universe. Even then most of that might be wrong, as Dark Matter and a "Fifth force" mean things are most likely conjecture than fact as of now.
The possibility of God is not a matter for science though. Science can only deal with the physical, not the metaphysical and moral. Using mathematics and the Bayes theorem we know the possibility of God is high. But it's up to God to choose you, not up to you to choose God.
Just like a good school doesn't take in shitty students.
You can never prove that something doesn't exist, (because if something doesn't exist there cannot be any evidence) fortunately there is no requirement to do so as the burden of proof lies with the claimant, which means that it is up to proponents of religion to prove that there IS a God.
However just because you cannot completely rule something out there is precisely ZERO evidence supporting the claim that a God or Gods exist.
So effectively and functionally YES science has ruled out the existance of God/s.
I think that will always be an argument but here's one for you and this is God's honest truth did you know that water is alive did you know that water holds memory so it's basically our first computer. And did you know if you put your hand in a pool of water the molecules all change it remembers you who you are. Water gave us life. We were carried 9 months in our mother's womb in water if you're ever baptized you're baptized in water holy water why couldn't water be our God. anyway water is God because without water we don't live nothing lives
You can't prove or disprove the existence of God. There's scientists out there that may not believe in a religion but believe in a higher power.
Cause science can't explain everything. And science doesn't always get everything right.
If we only believe what we see then the majority of the world would probably still believe the earth is flat.
Science and religion go hand in hand actually.
Only the zealots and the atheists (who are reverse zealots) call out one or the other side.
It's renown that men of the cloth and scientists have discussed and still do discuss about matters of scientific or unknown origins.
As anyone who has studied logic knows, it is not possible to prove the nonexistence of anything. Also it is not possible to prove the existence of something that does not exist. Therefore if God does not exist there is no way to know the difference between his existence and his nonexistence. But if he does exist one could reasonably assume that he would eventually make his presence known.
We already know the fate of the universe. We cannot prove a god does not exist, but the fact that the universe will expand, and dilute the available energy until it becomes a lifeless, cold and lonely place, makes it unlikely. One has to ask why a god would chose our insignificant little planet in all the galaxies that exist. Science will never prove or disprove a god's existance, but it becomes more and more unlikely as we advance our knowledge of astro physics and particle physics.
We don't know if we're alone or not. Logically if we believe that there are milllions of galaxies and trillions of planets.. there has to be some kind of life out there. But they are so far away.
@MrNameless I agree. The chances of other life forms existing must be quite high. Maybe some are extinct now. Maybe some are yet to develop.
The whole point of FAITH, and especially in Christianity, is that is cannot be proven, or disproven!!
Why do so many, here keep asking this simple, fundamental question? Do they not teach this, in Sunday School?
It is much the same, with all major religions, and I would think, almost all of the "pagan" ways, or the "Native, Spiritual" Ways.
That's impossible. Science creates theories based on observation. Since God is unobservable, Science has nothing to say about the existence of God. We can see whether praying affects outcomes. In at least one trial the result was that praying works exactly as well as not praying, so there is some evidence that there is no God that responds to prayer.
Science has proven Jesus and King David existed. Plus look a t a lot of fossils, similar to creatures of today. You think he may have made improvements in a few billion years. might explain why it only took seven days this time around. Plus i am researching the Book of Mormon nd comparing it to the lost books of the bible, found a few that match up. so could Jesus have really talked to Joseph Smith? Just a few of my theories.
God is not science, science is based on testable experiments, observation, data analyze.
God is an abstract concept about a Supreme Being (or at least above mortal humans), it's not subject to human labs. Science today is gaining this fame of being the All Powerful human tool able to prove anything, but it's not.
I wouldn't say "God", more of a higher being I guess. And no, with the rise of documents regarding UFO sightings and the discoveries of the universe I don't think they're ruled out that possibility. I believe there are definitely intelligent, higher beings out there, and mankind just confused it as a "god". I just believe in the universe, and with the advancement of technology we can ultimately discover the truth life and thereof.
That's not sciences job. Theists are the ones making weird claims with no evidence and insisting faith is enough.
But so far every time theists have laid down a specific testable claim, science has shown a natural alternative to The God Hypothesis.
Hahaha, lol. Rofl. Science can't even deal with coronavirus.
The deeper you delve in science, the more you'll find there's a creator.
But our problem is, we imagine god as a bearded guy in white tunic. Get out of that imagination and ask yourself what God is?
To me God is a being who existed when nothing existed, and who created everything else.
I think science has disproven most gods as they have been depicted by most religions. But that doesn't necessarily mean God isn't real, it could just mean that God isn't how religions claim it is.
It's very likely that God, if real, is well beyond human comprehension. So I guess it's actually likely that we misinterpreted/misrepresented it.
That being said, God also very well may not he really. I'm not necessarily trying to say otherwise.
No, though it hasn't been able to rule it in either.
However, I do hold the unpopular opinion that the existence of God is a scientific question. All of the attempts to find some indication of God in the sense it is normally understood, have so far failed. That doesn't mean we can rule it out, but it does bring it into doubt.
By the way, don't listen to people like jshm2. He has no idea what he is talking about. Figures like "13% of the physical universe has been discovered" are fallacious generalisations about a quantity we don't even know. When we take into account what should be in the universe given our mathematical understanding, what we're sure of is actually more like 4% of that, but again these are generalisations. As far as Bayer's law goes, this is a common argument attempted by theists which has been rebuked again and again. The fact is that Bayer's law depends on knowledge of circumstances prior to an event and when it comes to the big bang which is the earliest event we can detect, our knowledge of circumstances prior to that event is zero. So to claim that results in a high probability of god existing is absolute nonsense. When you take into account everything we have ever discovered other than the big bang has a natural explanation which we have confirmed, it further decreases the likelihood of god. If we don't know how something happened, the least likely explanation would be an imaginary agent we invented such as god.
For science to say anything definitively, science must be capable of knowing and perceiving all that exists. How do you ever know that you are seeing everything that exists and you are aware of every fact that can possibly be determined?
Science has not ruled out the possibility of God. Just because God is beyond what science can prove or understand, does not mean God doesn't exist. That's like an ant saying planets don't exist, because ants can't prove they exist.
Some strange words I'm about to say. Just because you don't believe in god. Doesn't stop God from believing in you?
In the book of Revelation God predicts the whole world to be ruled by godless people.
So encouraging others to believe in no god. Only proves God knows where this world will end.
IMHO, the personification of an overall power was made up from the beginning as a tool to control ignorant and weak willed people along with the gullible that's still going on today. The overall power of the universe has been present and proven in many ways throughout the centuries, it's called Nature.
It has already ruled it out in all senses of credibility. We're pretty much at the level of believing in unicorns now.
I worship unicorns. They make damned good donut holders!
Most human beings do not even fully comprehend themselves. How the HELL do you expend them to comprehend the would-be creator of EVERYTHING? This is why I'm agnostic. Being on either extreme; fully religious or atheist, is foolish to me.
Many scientist are actually faithful to some religion that believes in/worships God. And many that were Atheists/Agnostic became religious the more they delved into science.
I heard one such atheists turned Christian state: (approximate) The more I studied nature and the universe, the more I could see the fingerprint of God in them. We, as scientist, are merely learning how God did what he did and understand how he did it.
Im sorry but this is total bullshit.
It is quite simply not possible to be a theist and a scientist at the same time. I understand perfectly that there are religious zealots who have gone to the trouble of gaining science qualifications and some even work in the field but the idea that there is no problem, no conflict and that there are just as many turning to religion as turn away from it when exposed to science is absurd.
The field of science is almost exclusively atheist and for good reason: scientists concern themselves with evidence and there is none to support the claim of God.
As for your quote, I can't find a source which matches your claim. I have found the quote but it is posted on a religious website and attributed simply to 'Anthony'
www.jw.org/.../
The problem is religious logic dictates that if science cannot 100% dismiss something then it must be 100% true.
If you were to imagine the physical world around you on a three dimensional graph, with x, y, and z axis and then try to find the center of this graph, you would find that there are only two possible answers: nowhere and everywhere. Science therefore proves religious logic.
Science hasn't disproven a higher power nor does it support it. Logic can rule out any major religions god but the possibility of a higher power is there.
We don't really need science to rule out the possibility of god's existence... we can just use the words of those that claim / believe god exists to rule out god's existence.
It hasn't. I do think it can rule about Abrahamic religion and an afterlife eventually.
But we'll see.
Science has a theory about how the universe started with the big bang and the first kind of particles that may have "existed."
But no, science hasn't disproven a God/creator.
No- nor can it, really. You can't disprove something that's not falsifiable, which God's existence isn't.
The study of logic/logical expressions has shown that it is actually impossible to prove non-existence.
I don’t believe that limited mortal science could ever capture the infinite mediums of the universes to achieve a result.
Given the amount of evidences (that are zero to none) it seem impossible to prove God's existence using scientific methods, at least not while we exist, unless "thee almighty" himself or herself, wait "thyself" shows up to say hi or something.
Excuse me my friend but it was all wrong
Science is a part of this universe isn't it?
I know it requires a long talk to express how this question relates with the existence of god but just wanted to mention
I belive in scientific facts and evolution but i also do believe there is a God and Jesus Christ was the son if God but there are some things that contradict each other. The only way anyone will know is when they die.
No. Science can not be used to proof or disproof of God's existence. It is not something that can be verified with the use of scientific method.
It’s an unfalsifiable hypothesis, which means it can’t be verified. That isn’t a good thing because if it’s impossible to ever test, how could you know it’s true?
No. The Bible says that God "hangs the earth on nothing" (Job 26:7) and "sits above the circle of the earth" (Isaiah 40:22). Also, the Bible accurately describes the water cycle (Ecclesiastes 1:7).
No. Science can’t prove that God neither does nor doesn’t exist.
I dont care about some retarded so called smart people say.
I believe God is real and in my heart. I dont need proof. I know what I feel inside me.
You dont believe that fine, but I do and thats all that matters.
Science is actually agnostic, it works on facts so it cannot prove god does or does not exist, however implausible it is that god exists, there is no proof that they do or don’t. Science doesn’t state facts based on guesses
@jjj101010 But is "Science" Really "Agnostic"? Or does "Science" pretend not to believe in a "Higher Power" when the equations do not work?
I am a Biologist, and one of the standing jokes, in Biology, is when you don't know why something happens, in a living organism, "It is some, as yet, undiscovered enzyme!" LOL! But that is VERY much, like Faith, in a "Religion": when you cannot see a logical link between things, maybe it is just a "Miracle" or "from God", much like the "undiscovered enzymes" in biological functions.
Some find some comfort, in this idea, and MANY "Scientists" are actually quite devote members of "religions".
Whether you follow a "religion" or not, science, and "spirituality" are NOT NECESSARILY, Mutually Exclusive!
No. Science proves God exists. Just a single cell is remarkable and proves the brilliance of God Almighty.
I think it’s plainly already ruled out any God of religion, maybe there’s still room for some other definition of God that we do not understand
nope, the cience can't destroy the existence of god
God's existence is doubtful...
But it's sure that without god... people would have to hold their faith to something else...
science doesn't make the rules science follows Gods rules
I don't think thats something science can prove since believing in God involves the supernatural.
God exists only in the mind of the believers. Science can't rule out its existence.
Nope. But it has ruled in the possibility of the god particle.
No
probably neither
Nope. All this had to have started somehow.
Only time will tell. 😉
Divinity is intricately connected to reality
Hundreds of time over!!
Not completely in my opinion
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