
Whose body and whose choice is it exactly?


Yes, it's your body and if you want to risk getting sick and possibly dying, that's your choice.
But wearing a mask is not for you. It's never been for you. It's to protect others FROM you. You may not be sick, you may not show or feel any symptoms of being sick, but you, like everyone could be a carrier of it and still unknowingly spread the virus to them, causing them to be sick and possibly die.
Are you really willing to take that risk? because you didn't want to wear a mask, you single handedly killed someone?
If you are wearing your mask and if you took the poisonous jabs and the boosters and if you are maintaining your six feet distance from everyone then whether I'm wearing a mask or not makes no difference. You're protected right? I'll answer that for you, NO you did all that forced nonsense to have the same risks. You've taken all the precautions that you can take unless you're wearing an n95 mask they're ineffective which was a big conspiracy like a bunch of others that have come true. Covid-19 is never ever going to go away and every single person on this planet is eventually going to have it just like the flu so get over yourself and your mask, your shots and your distancing. Doesn't really matter to me I'll be the one breathing the fresh air.
While killing everyone else. Good on ya.
Masking up isn't about your body. However it is your choice not to wear a mask. Establishments that require a mask for entrance however have the right to deny you entrance, just as they would if you were not wearing other required pieces of clothing.
As it comes to ending an early-term pregnancy, removing a fetus from your body is removing your own consent to allow it to take your resources, change your body, and force its way out later on. That fetus is welcome to survive outside of the body if it so chooses, but since it is not yet human and has no way to survive without the already human host, it will instead die.
So yes, my body my choice.
Insane "logic" only a female could have because BABIES cannot survive either
Okay first I want to address your terms "early term pregnancy" is just a "pregnancy" the "fetus" is a "baby" and "removing it" is "killing it" so now that we've got that squared away. If you don't want the baby using your resources you should have kept your legs closed in the first damn place. Your answer is the most ridiculous irrational thing that I think I have ever heard in my entire life. You allowed the baby to be there it didn't just pop up one day and start feeding off of you like a parasite. It's your responsibility your body your baby.
Nope, over 75% of America shares this logic because it's rational. Men don't share the same risks as women when it comes to pregnancy, so of course it's more likely to be men that feel like women should be forced to carry a pregnancy whether it's the woman's fault she's pregnant or not. Unfortunately, the government is trying to force a baby boom and in America we'll temporarily go back to the days of ridiculously high mortality rate for both mom and baby. For those who do access an abortion or even birth control, they're at risk of being charged with murder so they can find a way to give women felonies and take away their right to vote.
It's not about the rights of babies, it's about forcibly growing a workforce and taking away women's rights. So don't fool yourself into thinking that the goal of any of this legislature is to save or protect children.
The way to protect children is to ensure an exotic pregnancy won't kill their mom; or allow their mother to abort a pregnancy because she already has a hard enough time supporting her 3 existing children and her husband left; or allowing the college student to decide to prioritize school instead of bringing a child into the world before she's able to support it, forcing it into poverty; or the girl who was pressured into sex by an older boyfriend without understanding all the implications because her school sex education was abstinence only and didn't address ways to protect yourself from pregnancy; or a woman finds out she's pregnant after she finally escaped her abusive relationship.
No one is concerned about the children, because if they were, they would be happy to support abortion and birth control.
While I am not in favour of masks, the obvious attempt at an analogy with abortion rights simply doesn't work.
Someone else having an abortion doesn't influence anyone else. If my neighbour gets an abortion, I'm completely uneffected by their choice.
While masks were, while ineffective, for the wellbeing of not just the wearer, but the people around them as well. And they were only a temporary thing. Conservatives act like they were about to have their masks permanently surgically stitched to their faces.
A foetus is not a child. Otherwise you better not be jacking off, killing millions of potential children every time.
But I'm not getting into an abortion discussion right now.
I explained why the analogy doesn't work, that's all.
I don't comment on other people's health and bodies, so nobody is allowed to comment mine.
I drink and smoke heavily and I'm not afraid to boast about it - and I won't allow anyone to comment negatively on that.
Once someone told me my liver will explode like a grenade if I keep that up - I laughed and told her - "You might want to duck & cover!".
I kind of understand I've been given all sorts of hell about my pro-life stance was even told I was going to go to hell because of it even though I'm not the one killing a baby. But I told them if I was going to hell and the devil was coming to get me to tell him to bring a pizza cuz I'm sure it will be hot.
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Sigh* it's your body your choice. Unless your decision is directly affecting another human being i. e not wearing a mask.
What about the other human in her womb?
@genericname85 nobody has the right to use your body against your will. Not a fetus, not a baby, not a child, not an adult. Nobody. The fact DECEASED bodies have more rights than women is disgusting.
so you are saying the fetus invaded your womb against your will? and is a human fetus not a human?
Sigh* me not wearing a mask could maybe give you a bad cold, so yes it could affect you. on the other hand an abortion is a mothers abortion at all. It barely affects the mother the only thing being aborted is the baby. The murderer I mean mother walks out unscathed. While back in the bottle is what used to be a baby that was vacuumed apart or ripped apart limb by limb with forceps. But now mom's happy she used her new form of birth control.
I honestly don't think the fetus is using your body against your will it was your will that got it there in the first place. And secondly that's a little hypocritical because I'm sure you were one who pushed mask mandates and forced injections into our arms so what is the difference. If they shouldn't be forced to do anything to your body why should they be able to forced anything on or into my b body.
exactly. it's not like you weren't aware of that risk when you had sex. all this is, is women again rejecting any responsibility for their actions.
@genericname85 Abortion is evil. I'm glad the new Supreme Court is about to ban abortion. hehe.
@Wade12345 well i don't think it is "evil" but i think the "my body my choice" argument is bullshit if it's not about her body.
@genericname85 yes. If you do not want to be pregnant you are pregnant against your will. Doesn't matter if it's a human. Like I said nobody has the right to use your organs without your permission.
Consenting to sex ≠ consenting to pregnancy.
Just like driving a car doesn't mean you're consenting to a car crash. Is it a risk of driving? Yeah sure but you're not agreeing to get into one.
if i drink alcohol and drive, there's a chance i cause an accident. is it not my fault i caused an accident when i didn't "want" an accident to happen?
if you have sex and as a consequence you are pregnant. the child is your responsibility. i mean if a man has sex and gets a child, he doesn't get to decide not to pay alimony, cause it was an accident right?
@genericname85 he actually can decide to waive his rights and not pay child support. Any parent can.
Drink driving is irresponsible and irrelevant to the situation. Your argument would work better with driving without a seatbelt. But most accidental pregnancies aren't through lack of precautions. You're infact more likely to get into a car wreck every single time you drive than a woman is to get pregnant. The chances of getting pregnant are very slim.
@Wade12345 that's up to lawyers and of course he still has to pay, it's his child, he should have to pay for some of their upbringing. Y'all think child support is a lot when it's a fraction of the cost of caring for a child.
@Wade12345 the bible says absolutely nothing about abortion. If anything it's pro abortion... I'm also not religious so your little so called rules don't apply to me 🙂
The Bible has a law concerning accidental abortion in the Torah caused by two men fighting and one of them accidentally striking a by-standing pregnant woman. The person responsible for the terminated pregnancy is punished any way the husband of the woman wants up to and including death.
You already know this, you're just lying about it.
@Wade12345 so it doesn't actually talk about abortion in the light we are. It's talking about a miscarriage (spontaneous abortion) which was caused by an accident. Which we already have as a law in our society.
The bible doesn't mention anywhere that abortion is wrong. I mean god forces women to have spontaneous abortions.
Even if it did say that, who cares? We don't base laws off religion.
@Razp_Sorbet with your unwillingness to accept responsibility for any of your actions as far as sex pregnancy and so on you should definitely consider a life of abstinence. As far as you're driving in a car scenario if you get in the car knowing most likely it's going to fill you full of sperm and cause you to become pregnant then yes you are a participating party.
Just because I think abortion should be legal and a human right doesn't mean I have had one or will ever get one myself. I care about people and I want there to be a safe option for people who cannot cope with a baby. Banning abortions doesn't stop them from happening. It only stops the safe ones.
Also the 4th amendment safeguards a persons right to privacy and personal autonomy.
But you all never ever mention the life of the baby never you call it a fetus to keep from personalizing it humanizing it to make it sound like an object rather than a human being. That is where you are wrong. I think maybe I should have the opportunity to kill one if I get someone pregnant and decide I don't want it yeah let's do that or if she has it and I don't want it I can opt out of child support yeah let's give Dad some rights.
Keep watching the news and social media as more people die from their clot shots
Yup. Karen's always wanna twist the law in their individual favor. They don't give a shit about principles.
So anti maskers steal a line from the pro choice movement, now you want to turn it around and act like they're being hypocritical for using a line they've owned for decades? Christ, reich wingers are so stupid. 🙄
It's the female's choice and the female body. No one else.
My family breeds Labrador retrievers purebred and one of the b****** got out and got herself pregnant by a stray. So those "fetuses or puppies" were no use to us, so we slashed her open and aborted all of them. The community raised hell. If that bitch were caring 13 human fetuses evidently it wouldn't have been an issue.
The heart is only there to support the brain, and the only reason hearts matter is because once it stops supporting the brain, the brain surely does. Brain death is what matters, not just your heart. Your heart is not the primary determining factor, it's the brain. Brains are what make us human, and we see brain activity in the 20-25 week area during pregnancy. This is the point that is largely accepted as the start of life.
You're not being real. Most abortions don't involve slashing, sucking, or ripping. And yes, women get to decide whether to support anything inside her body. That "baby" is welcome to live outside of her uterus if it chooses, but she does not have to support anything that's going to massively change her body, career, and life expectancy. Women are not objects or incubators, there is a right to bodily autonomy.
As soon as the government anywhere decides there is no longer a right to privacy or bodily autonomy, everyone is at risk. Even the men.
@kudoma Based on your exchange, I think your points make more sense than @Baredog69
Masks are pointless for general public now. Everyone is going to get COVID at some point and masks just delay that and with hospitals no longer full there isn’t any point in delaying
Lol that fine I do since damn COVID screw my lungs up
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