Is a child conceived from rape a blessing from God?

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

I don't think so, but then again I don't believe God makes people pregnant, I think God just sets things in motion and nature happens. Some people also think the devil has control of some things. If a girl gets pregnant from rape, she should have a choice whether to carry that child, she should do it early though in the first trimester, because even the most healthy pregnancies can carry some risk and it won't always be evident till later when it would be too late for an abortion. I think of some women who have scary life-threatening complications in the last trimester like a placental abruption as just one example and think if she is choosing the pregnancy then it was a risk she agrees to take, a risk any pregnant woman takes, but if she did not choose the pregnancy then it seems 10 times more tragic. Sadly, for minors, it will often be up to their parents but if it's a grown woman and she gets an abortion then I say she should be able to.

People are welcome to disagree with me if they want. I also know women who were raped and chose to be pregnant and give birth, one womanen raised the baby herself and loved being a mother, he husband even adopted the kid. So it can be a wonderful experience but only if the woman has a choice which this woman did so for her it was a welcomed child. She admitted that had she been forced to do it, she would have felt differently.

[Opinion Owner]

*her husband*

[Lexi_87]

I was conceived that way and my mother CHOSE to keep me dispite her family telling her to abort me and then kicking her out at 16yr for refusing to. To this day she says she doesn't regret keeping and given the CHOSE again she we still keep me... Nice to read the comments and see how many people think I don't deserve to live and be told God doesn't love me though.

[grega239]

No ome said you dont deserve to live.

[Lexi_87]

@grega239 it's literally the 1st thing out of people's mouth when discussing abortions.
if you ask a person why they think obortion she be legal. 1st thing they say is rape. If you ask them to give a reason why women should have an abortion 1st thing they say is rape.
We didn't do anything wrong and webdidnt ask to be here yet WE are the ones thar are always seen as just some parasite that doesn't deserve to be born

[UCrayCray]

It’s not a matter of whether or not you are worthy of life. It’s a matter of the raped woman having the choice. Your mom made her choice, and she was/is happy with the outcome.
All woman should have the same choice your mom did.

[grega239]

Thats cruel.

[Chazmatazz269]

I can fathom a scenario in which someone might believe so, but r*pe can be so traumatizing that i can better understand how most people couldn’t arrive at that conclusion. That’s one of those cases in which my opinion doesn’t and shouldn’t matter. I’m not a r*pist, and i can’t get pregnant even if i’m victimized. If someone i really care about came to me for advice, i’d do my best but i think my best move would be to find them a good counselor.

[normalice]

If you have no other choice that might be the only way to think of it that can preserve your sanity, but it's far more likely that there is no God and she was raped by a guy who wasn't looking for anyone to excuse his behavior - he just felt entitled to blowing his load into a woman without doing any of the work typically involved in getting her approval, first.

[Asker]

It's important to forgive someone for their action also all life is a blessing from God.

[normalice]

It is important not to forgive the unrepentant.

Also, if we're truly leaving all control to a god then we shouldn't be pushing to have His will imposed legislatively, as the god would necissarily control that, too. And if He decides not to control it then it must be for a reason. In fact, if you try to do anything at all to change any situation for the better then you are telling your god that you know what is better for His plan.

Ultimately, no one actually believes this or they would weep over their blasphemy every time they reached for food that God did not put into their mouths for them. Clearly God did not want you to eat or He would have moved the food to your mouth. And on top of that God did not want to weep over your blasphemy, making it more blasphemy that you would choose to do so. No one gives complete control to their God unless they are trying to die. And the bounds we place on what we ought to be allowed to control, remarkably, coincide perfectly with what the non-god authorities who profit from controlling us have told us. That's all it is, really, keep people thinking they are great or better because of what they believe or what they know prevents them from thinking about their value as measured in currency. Thus making it easier to siphon some of that currency from them.

[Asker]

God gave us all free will.

[DaveJord]

So with that free will we should be allowed to get abortions in this life and leave the rest to be sorted by God in the after life.

Its not your place to tell people what God deems, its up to the individual to use free will to come to their own understanding and peace with the decisions they make. Not you or yours.

[Sleevey]

If a baby is a blessing outside of rape why wouldn’t a child of rape not be? The baby did nothing. History is filled with children from rape during war. This question has made me curious about a possible connection between mental or physical issues that such trauma could give a higher chance of Heath or mental health issue. If an abuser in a psychopath, is it biologically determined by DNA.

[Gent207]

This is a trick question with a red herring fallacy.

Does God condone or even will the rape of another human being?

The short answer is no

Does God value the life conceived by rape?

Yes they are just as valuable as one conceived hy two consenting adults that intended to get pregnant

[loveslongnails]

I'll make you a proposition. Start praying to God for a very special gift. Then when you get raped, maybe brutally, and get pregnant, let us know if you're thanking the Almighty for your gift. Let us know if you're thankful to be bearing the child of a man who's at best, mentally fucked up enough, and possibly genetically disposed to violence. Merry Christmas, girl.

[EarthRealm]

If you were Raped and you believe It was a Blessing from god.
Then it is a Blessing. And you will be changed in a positive way.
If you believe it to be something Evil that happened to you that god allowed then That's what it will be
And you Will be Changed in a Negative Way.

[Guy13]

Yes as that child is made in the image of God. It could be a President or physics guy. It’s a life.. a body and it is unfortunate the circumstance. Murder is a greater wrong as the child has no choice in the matter and needs protection.

[Sarahplus2]

You can still get an abortion for rape. Just travel to one of the states that allow it

[Guy13]

It is still wrong to kill another body that has no choice as child has to rely upon the mercy of murder. There is nothing more unrighteous than an unprovoked first kill. No different than Putin…. unrighteous first kill in Ukraine.

[DaveJord]

Yeah it could be the next president, or it could be a child that was forced on a women against her will and is raised in a less than perfect family home, and grows up to be the next Hitler... so would your belief in life lead you take a child of rape into your home and raise it as your own?

See you beliefs cost you nothing, they come at no personal sacrifice to yourself... its just something that makes you sleep well as the real cost and responsibility is pushed off for forced upon a the real victim.

[Wellebelle]

So if your loved one, whether that be your daughter or mother or sibling or friend was raped by a random man.. you would then want them to be forced through the pain and permanent risks of pregnancy and giving birth even if she did not want to? What?

[John_Doesnt]

Or it could grow up to be Joe Biden. And I'm sure you're in favor of that. So thanks for supporting more Joe Biden's in the world

[Sarahplus2]

A serial rapist rapes a woman and then it's heavenly influence and a blessing from God. The baby ends up in the foster care system. I would poke God right in the nose and tell him how fucked up that is.

[Guy13]

It’s a life and that’s priority. That’s premeditated murder without mercy. Hitkervfid that except you do it to your own self in your gas chamber-the womb. Monsters, such as Stalin, Hitler, Mao, make Crimes against Humanity unprovoked from a defenseless child First Kill. Don’t try to justify and rationalize it away to me. Bottom line is unrighteous first kill of a defenseless Beingbthats supposed to be in your Care. End of Story. Have blessed weekend 😇

[DaveJord]

@guy13 Well that may be all well and good, but none of what you preach comes at any cost to you, and any judgment the matters comes from god not you. So don't put that on other people.

[Sarahplus2]

All up in arms about this life. Premeditated and all that. Not about what the woman went through. She could get an abortion.

[Rania05]

Depends, if a woman who's rapes think of her child as her fellow victim for gaining a rapist sperm donor, then he's a blessing. Otherwise, I can only see the child living in hell if the woman keeps him by her side.

[Rania05]

Oh, and the woman shouldn't be forced by external factors in any forms or she'll her ability to love her child.

[Rania05]

*she'll lose

[Chris7094]

Obviously it isn't a blessing to get raped, but any child could potentially be a wonderful gift to your life if you value them as such.

[Asker]

So it is a gift

[Chris7094]

I just depends if you can somehow separate the horrible circumstances from which the child was conceived, from the reality of having a poor innocent child now who needs you regardless.

[DaveJord]

So if she can't, are you signing up to raise it?

[Chris7094]

@DaveJord
I already raised a child, but there is adoption agencies for that.

[Vesuvius87]

So basically a woman that has done through a horrible ordeal has to raise a baby she didn't want? As much as I want a child, I'm not raising a child out of rape.

[Chris7094]

@Vesuvius87
Nobody said she HAS TO, I'm just answering the question as stated, and also bringing to light that putting the child up for adoption is also an option, if a woman decides the trauma of rape is going to interfere with her ability to raise the child.

[DaveJord]

@chris7094 right got it, adoption is an option... after the women dealing with trauma is put hrough 9 months dealing with the fact that Satan's spawn is growing in her womb.

Easy for you to talk about adoption and hold to your beliefs... it cost you nothing.

No theirs agencies for that you have no responsibility here right?

[Vesuvius87]

@DaveJord
This basically. I would really consider that 9 months of living hell.

[Chris7094]

@DaveJord
You should re-read the question. It asks "Is a CHILD conceived from rape a blessing from God?"
It implies that the CHILD has already been born, or it wouldn't be a child. Abortion isn't an option at that point. It is a bit concerning that you seem to blame the child for the rape, as if the child is responsible as "Satan's Spawn." In reality we shouldn't be judged for the actions of our parent's.

[Agape93]

Fuck no, that's a gift I'd never want. Return that fucking unwanted parasite to sender.

[Kori1236]

I don’t believe in god so I would say no. What someone chooses to do with a pregnancy wanted or not is her decision. And if she wants to view a pregnancy caused by rape a good thing that’s her choice

[KatherineJ]

That’s not a question that I hope anyone should ever have to consider worrying about. Rape is wrong, period. As for aborting the product of a rape, that should never be considered wrong, or immoral.

[Aperson32]

It's not a blessing nor a curse. Rape is wrong in the bible and in life period. So since a woman was raped and didn't have sex on purpose, it is ok to abort the baby.

[Vesuvius87]

No, it's not. There is nothing to be blessful about being forced into something you don't want to. I'm not raising a rapist's child. I'm raising a child born in a marriage with the man I love.

[Blackcosmo]

The rape itself is not a blessing but the child is just like any other child.

[WhitneySnow]

No. Most women would abort a child conceived from rape if the law allowed (or even if it didn’t).

[ComradeCurze]

If you're utterly delusional, or have 0 empathy for rape victims.

[Sarahplus2]

It's not a blessing from god when a guy forces himself on a woman. This sounds like an argument against abortion

[Asker]

That's not the blessing it's the child conceived that is the blessing.

[Sarahplus2]

This is not the virgin birth.

[Asker]

God works in ways we cannot understand. It's not a virgin birth that can never happen it was a miracle from God.

[DaveJord]

God works in ways you can not pretend to understand... so quit pushing YOUR beliefs on other people. If a women got the abortion is that not gods work? I mean God gave us the means and capabilities to do it, right? Its up to God to pass judgment not you.

[Sarahplus2]

It's not gods work but it's free will.

[Guffrus]

@DaveJord As Ricky Gervais says 'Why did God make me an atheist?' lols

[DaveJord]

@Guffrus lol IKR? :-)

[Guy__]

@DaveJord this would have been answered if you paid attention to our earlier conversation today.

[Guy__]

Atheism is left hemisphere dominant brain imbalance. While right brain dominance leads to religious slave mentality.

[monkeynutts]

If a woman kept the baby and never told them about how they came into world, then the child would not know any different. But I think this would be the exception to the rule, I think it's a difficult idea to comprehend.

[Bratsondanielle]

The invisible guy in the sky wouldn't bless like that. He'd bless you with a good husband

[LilyoftheLake]

I'm not sure I would say so. Could be, I suppose, but not necessarily.

[slatyb]

God isn’t real. If God s real, God kills at least half of all human embryos.

[Avicenna]

I think that it's up to the woman to decide that. I personally would not view it that way.

[XXblack88]

I think so. An unborn child has no say in whether it's born or not or who it's parents are.

[legalboxers]

So Im guessing if a father boinks his daughter while his wife is at work - this is all fine.

[Wade12345]

I know of a woman who was conceived from rape. It would be a shame if she didn't exist.

[jshm2]

It's still child. Rape is a separate matter

[Subarugirl]

Not when its conceived by rape...

[animesenpai]

There is no god so no.

It's just a violation of someone's body and their free will

[Asker]

Of course there is look all around you it's impossible for anyone to do anything like this.

[animesenpai]

Please stop trying to make other people buy into your delusions and fairy tales

[Anonymous]

Life is a blessing regardless. I was conceived through when my father raped my 13 year old mother.

[Opinion Owner]

My mother at 13 refused to get an abortion even though my grandparents, social workers, nurses and doctors were pushing her...

[fonduegirl]

No. Only children that are wanted and conceived by consensual sex are valid.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Yes. God created nature, so its a blessing. Though the child is conceived by forced sex, it's still your baby boy or girl.

[Anonymous]

Anybody that says yes to this is nothing but an evil ghoul.

[msc545]

ALL children are a blessing from God no matter the circumstances of their conception which - after all - they had no control over.

[Anonymous]

You going to tell that to the child when its born?

[Anonymous]

God is the world's most prolific abortionist. Think of all the stillborns and miscarriages going around.

[grega239]

If it is, god is an even bigger cunt than i thought

[Fuentes]

It's Birth is science but I don't think they're God's gift

[Anonymous]

I suggest the child itself is innocent of the sins of its parents.

[DaveJord]

So are you signing up to raise it?

[UCrayCray]

What sin did the raped women commit, other than being born with with a uterus?

[Opinion Owner]

@DaveJord nope, can't afford another one. Recommend abort or adopt.
@UCrayCray in this case she's a survivor and he is aggressor. But the baby still gets to be innocent.

[EnglishEuropean]

See here's the thing. According to scripture your rapist should marry you.

[Bratsondanielle]

Aaaaaaahahahaha... in England maybe... not here in the free world

[Rania05]

It's ridiculous for someone to marry their rapist😨
Isn't enough to be raped once? Marital rape is quite common

[Bratsondanielle]

Is it really still like that in the old world. No wonder my forefathers escaped and came here to build the greatest country in history

[Rania05]

There's a law in my country that (thankfully) most women refuse to accept it's that the rapist can escape punishment by convincing his victim to marry him

[Rania05]

@Bratsondanielle you sure has wise forefathers ☺️

[Bratsondanielle]

@Rania05 I'm thankful every day

[HunterS745]

I go to church every week, and yeah I don’t think that’s true 😅

[EnglishEuropean]

@HunterS745 Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (New International Version) "28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."

[Rania05]

Wow 😳 they really do order execution on women this way, they can't even dream of divorce

[EnglishEuropean]

@Rania05 To be clear, it's the man who is being punished. The woman is being provided for.

[Rania05]

But for me it seems as if the woman is being punished

[Bratsondanielle]

But you guys over there in the old world are not really doing this anymore right? I mean I realize Iran and stuff<<the sandboxes)). Probably do but like UK and stuff don't right? I mean they are already kinda civilized now right?

[Rania05]

Isn't? I found loopholes in the scripture, what if the woman isn't a virgin? If she's a widow or divorced or even married? No one would be by her side.

[Rania05]

And what if the father isn't alive or there?

[Bratsondanielle]

Guys this is like what's in a book, am I right? qurraan or bibble or something like that right? It'd not the reality in real life in Europe right?

[EnglishEuropean]

@Bratsondanielle I only referred to the Bible because the question was phrased in religious terminology.

[Bratsondanielle]

Oh, thank you, and thank my lucky stars 🤩🤩🤩. I was like whuuut? I was thinking damn now I'm even more happy that my forefathers escaped lol. But i kinda figured it was from one of those books cuz i know in muslim sandbox countries it's probably like that but i figured England and Romania and swedish and stuff probably wouldn't be...

[driven159]

NO but a rape victim themselves nobody thinks of the child from rape and the effect the child's life

[HunterS745]

The fact that the child now exists is a blessing, but how it was conceived is definitely not. That answer the question?

[MasterKS]

No, its blessing of forceful animalistic act! every rape should abort no matter law or religious belief.

[Rania05]

Don't make decisions for women

[MasterKS]

@Rania05 you can keep its your choice. Rape is not fun and if you think cumming inside someone with force is worse act. if rape pregnancy kept people just grab any girl and dump cum on them.

[Rania05]

I never said it's fun, I would tear the genitals of who's the pest that dares to touch me, I just don't like how you said 'it should'; I wish you can say it to the faces of kind and suceseful people who're products of rape. Women should keep thinking it's their child no matter what, keep the child if they can bear the pain and struggle in the progress and abort it if they can't regard the child as living being but a horror movie's ghost. Stop stuffing your anger on me, I never forced on anything, at this case I hate pressuring anyone into anything it's their choice to make and will to continue.

[MasterKS]

@Rania05 @rania05 you shown anger saying dont make decisions for woman, i am taking decision for human not for woman, be human first then separate the gender.

[Rania05]

It's meaningless to makes sense with you, and I'm clearly as the unreasonable one. We're giving our opinions to the poster, not being prejudiced on each other. You know what? I disliking you the second I digested your opinion, you may have your own reasons but I also have mine. I saw it as if you were trashing every rape victim that kept HER CHILD

[Rania05]

And I had the decency to keep it for myself at first but you clearly don't share the sentiment of being respectful and polite

[MasterKS]

@Rania05 There is no space for taking Rape case politely, its the worse crime and whatever it results it should be finish as soon as possible. kill the rapist, thats what the real need and keeping pregnancy of rape is nonsense.

[Rania05]

I agree on killing the rapist thing (it would be even better if it's written it on their bodies with hot rod or left to be fucked by pigs), but surely the matter of the pregnancy should be thought carefully by the person meant to deal with it. Psychologically, we can't force ourselves to accept all the mess left by the predator should be cleaned up but rationally and emotionally there's no one who should have the excess of the right to.

[Anonymous]

I don't think so as it's not consensual. You can't really say it's based on love if it's rape. That's not a blessing from God.

[Celticwolf78]

Yes it is or it could be a bad thing because of it being a reminder of what happened

[Lyndsielee666]

Absolutely not wtf

[EmmaMary]

No, absolutely not.

[worldscolide]

A blessing? No.. A nightmare? Yes.

[TrueConfection]

Every child is a blessing.

[Anonymous]

No, the poor woman being raped was the blessing of your imaginary friend GOD!

[Anonymous]

I would keep the baby and raise it as an assassin to kill the rapist.

[katiesmuff]

Not in my book it wouldn't be!

[supercutebutt]

It's a gift. A gag gift. Thanks, God!

[helva]

Certainly not.

[Anonymous]

Yes, it's still an innocent human life.

[Asker]

Okay so if you were raped you would keep the child

[Guy__]

The most credible historians claim that jesus was a son of an unknown roman soldier...

Anyway this question is like "which arm would you rather have cut off?" Neither. And so let's not get raped.

[UCrayCray]

@Guy__
“And so let's not get raped.”
What exactly do you mean by this statement?

[Guy__]

I don't know, which hand do you want chopped off?

I'm not gonna make a choice like that.

[UCrayCray]

@Guy__
Was that supposed to answer my question? Because I don’t think it did

[Guy__]

The choice is yours whether you keep the child. I wouldn't even be thinking about this, I'd rather make 100% certain I'll never ever get raped.

[UCrayCray]

@Guy__
So if you were a woman, you would never leave the house (certainly not a guarantee that you wouldn’t be raped, but would perhaps lessen your chances depending on who you live with)? Or would you choose to wear a chastity belt instead?

[Guy__]

I'll have to transition mtf first.

[UCrayCray]

@Guy__
So you don’t actually have to be a woman to state that you would make “100% certain” you would never be a victim of rape, but you would have to transition into one before you can tell me how you would achieve that?

[Guy__]

As a male I don't wanna get raped either.
But to get pregnant i first have to put some makeup on and gain chest fat.

[UCrayCray]

@Guy__
You are very confused about what it takes to make a baby.

[Guy__]

Just makeup, and high pitched voice.

[Anonmehahaha]

You must be an idiot to think that

[NYlatefun]

This is a joke, right?

[Bratsondanielle]

It's apparently bible stuff...

[kitkills]

Counter question; Why does a fake person matter

[John_Doesnt]

According to Republicans, yes.

[bayoubob]

That's bull shit and you know it. What is real though, is Democrats want abortion up to and including the day of birth. It was in a bill that didn't pass. Evil mother fuckers.

[John_Doesnt]

@bayoubob you're spreading fake news like a typical Republican. You probably believe the bible and that Donald won the election

[Avicenna]

Yes, Democrats did vote for that earlier this year

[John_Doesnt]

@Avicenna did they also vote for lizard alien invasions? Typical conservatives, you'll believe anything.

[Avicenna]

You've got a lot of attitude and arrogance, but no common sense and you lie a lot.

www.congress.gov/.../text

Now leftist genius, how long into a pregnancy do you support permitting abortion?

[John_Doesnt]

@Avicenna it clearly says right at the top what the bill is for: "To protect a person’s ability to determine whether to continue or end a pregnancy, and to protect a health care provider’s ability to provide abortion services." It doesn't say anything about live birth. It says to end pregnancy.

[Avicenna]

One can always count on you leftists to lie and/or obfuscate. You obviously didn’t read the entire legislation. But answer this: up to what point in a pregnancy would this bill have permitted an abortion?

[John_Doesnt]

@Avicenna the definition of abortion is plain and simple and I read the whole thing: abortion is terminating the fetus before it can sustain life on its own. So if it's alive then you cannot perform the abortion. Everything was answered in the beginning, you never read that link you sent me.

[Avicenna]

You’re still lying. What does it say about limits on abortion if the doctor says in good faith that the mothers life is in danger?

Furthermore, at what point can a fetus sustain life? How many weeks into a pregnancy?

[John_Doesnt]

@Avicenna You've just proven you know nothing about how pregnancy works and your opinion on the subject is pure ignorance. The article doesn't mention any of those things because it's not a medical journal, it's a bill proposal. If you want to know how many weeks a fetus needs to grow before being able to sustain life on its own then read a medical book. Or at least go back to 6th grade sex ed.

[bayoubob]

@John_Doesnt You cocksuckers believe condoms and birth control is going the way of the High Way no matter what. What is more evil? Up to an including the day of birth? Which is not a thing anymore. You cannot see that Democrats were blocked in Legislation for killing babies in a bill. It's in front of your eyes. Even if you totally wanted to off babies where and when you see fit, you try to see us as EVIL. How much money do you want to bet? Where you deny said bill that got blocked vs contraception being banned, or rape and incest does not play a part? We are better. Even if the Conservative evil played out. It's better than Libtards offing babies to full term and throwing them in a dumpster. Not only just a dumpster, but their own fucking garbage can. To say that won't and cannot happen? It's bull shit.

[Avicenna]

doesn't, You didn’t want to answer that because the answer is 22-24 weeks, which is far more than the first trimester, something that garners much more support. And the bill allows abortion up until birth if a doctor says that it would affect the health of the mother as well as endangering her life. That’s a huge loophole anyone could use to get an abortion up until birth.

You’ve shown you are a dishonest person who doesn’t want to admit how extreme leftists are today as evidenced by the bill the Democrats themselves wrote and passed in the House. A few years ago, former Virginia Governor Ralph Northampton (one of your „Klansmen“ in the Democratic Party) admitted that this is what the Democrats support.
As much as you twist yourself to avoid admitting you’re wrong and that you support an extreme policy, you can’t avoid being exposed as a supporter of abortion until birth.

[John_Doesnt]

@Avicenna I read the bill, you did not. Abortion is defined as terminating a pregnancy before the fetus can sustain life on its own. Having an abortion at birth would be illegal. It's been defined that way since Roe v Wade. You're just an uneducated idiot.

[John_Doesnt]

@bayoubob the last time you saw a vag was when you came out of your mom. You have no idea how pregnancy works or how women work.

[Avicenna]

doesn't, from your comments it's obvious that you just read the title of the opening section. Here's something you wanted to miss:

SEC. 3. PERMITTED SERVICES.

(a) General Rule.—A health care provider has a statutory right under this Act to provide abortion services, and may provide abortion services, and that provider’s patient has a corresponding right to receive such services, without any of the following limitations or requirements:

(8) A prohibition on abortion at any point or points in time prior to fetal viability, including a prohibition or restriction on a particular abortion procedure.

(9) A prohibition on abortion after fetal viability when, in the good-faith medical judgment of the treating health care provider, continuation of the pregnancy would pose a risk to the pregnant patient’s life or health.

(10) A limitation on a health care provider’s ability to provide immediate abortion services when that health care provider believes, based on the good-faith medical judgment of the provider, that delay would pose a risk to the patient’s health.

So the bill in Section 3.8 clearly allows an abortion up to fetal viability, and Sec. 3.9 clearly allows it past the point of fetal viability if a doctor's judgment call is that a mother's health is endangered without putting any chronological limit on it, meaning up to birth.

[Avicenna]

Note the failed 2019 abortion bill in Virginia (a model for the federal bill):
lis.virginia.gov/.../legp604.exe?191+sum+HB2491

" The bill eliminates the requirement that two other physicians certify that a third trimester abortion is necessary to prevent the woman's death or impairment of her mental or physical health, as well as the need to find that any such impairment to the woman's health would be substantial and irremediable."

And note what the Virginia bill's sponsor said about the bill:

www.cbsnews.com/.../

"At a recent committee hearing, Republican state delegate Todd Gilbert asked Tran to clarify exactly how late in a pregnancy doctors would be able to perform abortions. Gilbert asked if a woman who was about to give birth could request an abortion under Tran's proposed bill.

"She has physical signs that she is about to give birth. Would that be a point at which she could still request an abortion if she is so certified? She's dilating," Gilbert said.

"Mr. Chairman, that would be a, you know, a decision that the doctor, the physician and the woman would make at this point," Tran responded.

"I understand that. I'm asking if your bill allows that," Gilbert posed.

"My bill would allow that, yes," she said."

So, doesn't, you've shown yourself once again to be lazy and dishonest. And no wonder- support for third trimester abortions is very low.

[John_Doesnt]

@Avicenna that says nothing about live birth or if the fetus can sustain life on its own. Try again.

[John_Doesnt]

@Avicenna that says nothing about live birth or if the fetus can sustain life on its own. Try again. Also, many women can have miscarriages and be forced to carry a dead fetus to term. You know nothing about pregnancy or how a woman's body works. You never mentioned whether or not the fetus can sustain life on its own, which is an important factor if you knew anything about pregnancy or miscarriage. If a woman has a miscarriage late in her pregnancy the fetus could be removed at birth but it was already dead so it cannot sustain life on its own. That is the major distinction: sustaining life on its own.

[Avicenna]

@bayoubob stated the following: "Democrats want abortion up to and including the day of birth." That has been proven entirely accurate. Yet you continue to lie and prevaricate instead of admitting you were completely wrong. What part of "fetus viability" don't you understand?

Fetus viability means "sustaining life on its own" (with the aid of medicine, if necessary- it's in case law). And that's right there in the passages of the bill I cited.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_viability

[John_Doesnt]

@Avicenna that is for still born and other types of pregnancies where the fetus is still there but not alive. Again, pregnancy is more complicated than a woman getting sperm in her egg. You didn't pay attention in health class and you know nothing about how pregnancy works. Nobody is killing a live baby outside of the mother. That never happened legally and you're lying if it did.

[John_Doesnt]

@Avicenna this should answer your dumb argument: www.youtube.com/watch

[bayoubob]

@Avicenna You fucking morons listen to your dumbass bull shit while saying you don't. It's a FUCKING fact that Dems tried to pass a bill where you can murder babies up to and including the day of birth. You just refuse to believe that something like that should be possible. It was FUCKING DENIED.

[bayoubob]

@John_Doesnt Even if, even if the bullshit about denying contraceptives or abortion for reasons of rape or incest is all true. There is right and fucking wrong. Then you retards do something even so EVIL no one can abide by. You KILL babies on day of birth or afterwards. Then you THREATEN EVERYONE you will fake rapes and incest? Who the FUCK IS MORE EVIL?

[bayoubob]

You DBAGS. CAN'T own up to the opening of legs? Tell me I'm an INCEL. I've never met a VAGINA? How many women will tell their HUSBAND or BOYFRIEND they got knocked up. And they are KEEPING IT? Even they don't wan't it. Or vice a versa. MEN HAVE no right to say, I want it. Because of Libtarded ways? It should be EQUAL. Everyone should have EQUAL FUCKING RESPONSIBILITY. Yet you don't want to keep it. Or if you decide to KEEP IT. The DBAG that knocked her up has the ability to say, fuck this. I DON'T WANT IT. But you want money from hiM?

[douride2]

More like a curse from the devil.

[Cubus]

All chldren are blessings from God.

[Waldoe]

I am a "man" so I will pass on this question

[DevinAM]

Probably how Jesus happened