Do christians believe that jews are the chosen ones?

[Sevenpointfive]

[patois]

Israel was chosen by God. Of the 12 tribes of Israel Judah was chosen as the one through whom Messiah would come. Additionally many other important biblical figures arise out of the tribe of Judah, but there are important figures from the other tribes as well. The Messiah, Jesus, is the mediator of the new covenant not every last person in the tribe of Judah. Thus Christians aren't worshiping Jews as an idol or however you seem to see it, but Christians do understand that Jews and Christians are tied to the same God, they share the same history, and Judah had an important role in bring forth Messiah. Thus Judah were chosen to fulfill a role, not as some demi-gods or whatever perversion you have in mind. Christian accepting the new covenant recognize Jesus as Messiah were as many modern day Jews failed to follow that part of Torah. So there is debate on that matter among the religions even though the trinity is very clear in Jewish religious texts.

[patois]

*bringing

[lightbulb27]

I'd say they were "the ones"... that were utilized to bring forth "the message". They did so and recorded it. So chosen, I guess so.

Their food is really terrible though and they should work on that. Send some of their chefs to India to learn to use spices... good grief!

[strateguy632]

what food do you consider jewish food?

[jshm2]

No. Which is why they killed so many.

But even by the Jewish books, it's evident by their own standards that modern "Jews" aren't the chosen ones they claim to be.

[Sevenpointfive]

if everyone converted what would that planet look like?

[strateguy632]

that is absurd the jews who lost 6 million murdered are the ones who "kill so many"

[genericname85]

i think many christians today forget that they worship the god of the jews. it was never about any other people than jews. even that entire jesus story is the story of the jews. I don't know how people got the idea that you worship that god if you're a christian. you don't. you gotta be a jew. christians are just the fan club of the god of the jews xD it's funny and ironic to me in a sense :D

[Daniela1982]

You don't have to be a Jew to be a Christian. Gentiles can be Christians too, as can anyone. Being a Christian is just believing in Christ, that he rose from the dead, and shed his blood to pay for our sins, because we can't. He has provided us the means to spend eternity with Him and God in the new Heaven which will be on the New Earth. The fact is, He will judge the Jews/Israelites for their unbelief as they do not believe Jesus was the Messiah.

[genericname85]

@Daniela1982 no you don't have to be a jew to be a christian but the god described in the bible cares about the jews, not christians xD

[Daniela1982]

Seriously? Have you never read the Bible? The Old Testament may seem that way, but the New Testament is all about believers (Christians) and how to become one and assure your salvation to avoid from being separated from God for eternity.

[genericname85]

@Daniela1982 look, i know more about the christian cult than just "having read the bible" and it's all fiction anyway. so discussions abut it are a bit pointless. you do know that the entire thing is pretty much about litterally one of the monarchs of the jewish people (jesus) struggling for his rule against roman occupants and eventually failing? this all powerfull god is just abrahams idea and he was an even older monarch of the jews. before that there was mostly gods with limited responsibility. like god of the crops and fertility, god of war and so on. it's bullshit people used to fear monger each other with. it's litterally that dumb. but these are the things that got lost in history somewhat.

[Daniela1982]

Well it is painfully obvious you know nothing about what the Bible teaches. It's basically the story of our beginnings in Genesis, to out ending, in Revelation. It's all about where you want to spend eternity in. Heaven, or hell. But, you are right about one thing, it is pointless talking to you if you think it's all a fictional book, even if it has sold more copies than any other book on the planet. If we all lived our lives like the Bible teaches, Earth would be a paradise - no murders, crime, hate, wars, greed, drugs, etc. etc. We wouldn't be in the mess we are in. Your fictional character is not doing squat. The real God is. How is being an atheist working out for you?

[genericname85]

@Daniela1982 well it is a mostly fictional book that has probably "some" truth that has been exaggerated to the extremes over the millenia of only being orally transmitted. and i'm sure you can take "some" valueble lessons from the bible by means of annekdote and simlitude but to believe that there is actually some god and not just some imaginary figure made up to make people follow the cult leader... that's insane.

[Sevenpointfive]

it might be be funny now, but billions of people don't know the truth. that bothers me. to me that's brainwashing them.

[Daniela1982]

@genericname85 I know of several Christian authors who started out as atheists. One, Lee Strobel - "Is God Real", was a lawyer and investigative journalist whose wife had been become a Christian and he wanted to show her that Christianity, Jesus, and God were all fake. He used every skill of both his trades to investigate all claims found in the Bible, and through it all the results were that he too became a Christian. People don't want to believe there is a God because that means the prospect of going to hell would be an actual possibility. No one can explain where everything came from, except the Big Bang - everything from a piece of matter the size of a large marble. Of course they cannot explain where the marble came from. Believing there is a God makes more sense that what Science offers. The heavens tell of the glory of God; And their expanse declares the work of His hands. Psalms 19:1 - The heavens tell of the glory of God; And their expanse declares the work of His hands.

[TonyMetal___86]

I don't believe that there are the chosen ones, all humans are the children of god, i believe that the jews were the base of abrahamic religions and the ones who taught others to believe in one god, they kept preaching about jesus's coming but when he did they denied and rejected him and that's where they stopped and we continued as christians!

[Daniela1982]

No, God made the Israelites as His chosen people because they were among the first people on Earth that had a relationship with God as a people and to whom God made lots of promises to. He protected them and promised them their own land, which was Israel.

[TonyMetal___86]

@Daniela1982 the belief in a god was found since the dawn of humanity but the jews were the 1st people to believe in just one god and that there is no other god than god himself...

Now the jews are cursed miss daniela ask any chief rabbi and he will tell you the story and that's why god denied them from having their own land and they were spreaded around the globe!

That's not what i'm saying, that's what the most rabbis in jews believes in!

You can't even have anything if you don't believe in jesus and they rejected jesus while we all know what happens to the people who rejects jesus!

What's funny is that they are still waiting for him 😄

I believe that all humans are the children of god, jews, christians, muslims, hindu, buddhist... etc we are all the children of god because he made us all, i know that people have different beliefs and even a lot are atheist but that doesn't mean that the truth ain't there anymore...

For example: you got pregnant and had a baby and this baby grew to believe that he had no mother or that his mother ain't you or something else, but the fact will always be the same no matter what he does and believes in, you're his mother and will always be his mother!

[Daniela1982]

@TonyMetal___86 True, the Jews were dispersed throughout the world, but God promised that He would bring them together as a nation again, and He did in 1948. They settled back in the land that was given to them by God almost 4,000 years ago. So just because they had been chased out, they didn't lose ownership of the land they were given by the original landowner - God. They just reclaimed it and kicked the squatters out. If God was still not with them and protecting them, they would have fallen back in the 70's with all the countries attacking them, like Egypt and Syria, who attacked them twice.

[TonyMetal___86]

@Daniela1982 i'm not against the jews and i'm not against anyone, i'm only against the ones who are against me!

Why does god chose this land for them between all the other lands on earth?

Also do you know what a land truly is? I mean all these people are just dieing for the sake of a land? 😏 where was israel or palestine, call it what you want from millions of years? Just read a little about the earth's history and you will come to an assumption in the end that we all have no official ownership of any land, the land belongs to our planet and our olanet can shift these lands the way it wants, what is today's ocean might become tomorrow's land and what is today's land might become tomorrow's sea or valley, you're getting my point right?

Are you a jew by the way?

[Daniela1982]

Just remember that back then there was little activity in the lands except for the middle east and around the Dead Sea. A lot of the continents were devoid of people. So He gave them land that was pivotal to His plan for the future. The last battle on Earth - Armageddon - takes place around Israel when an army of 200 million gathers to destroy Israel once and for all. But God stops the battle after destroying the army. If He had not stopped it the Bible says that there would be no life left on Earth. And no, I'm not a Jew.

[TonyMetal___86]

@Daniela1982 these are all in the old testament and i believe in the new testament...
Anyways, what's your opinion about noah's arch, the nephilim and the fallen angels..."the whole story of the great flood"...

[strateguy632]

to @TonyMetal___86
see book romans 11 or my reply to 888 here.

[TonyMetal___86]

@strateguy632 i read it...
The question is, are they STILL the god's chosen people? I doubt it...

[Sevenpointfive]

how can 12 tribes become disciples, form no religion? they killed their prophet

[TonyMetal___86]

Who's the prophet?

[Sevenpointfive]

i don't know? aren't they still waiting for a second prophet?

[Grond21]

We do not believe that. Originally Abraham was the chosen one, then it was extended out to his family, then it was extended out to all his descendants, then it was extended out to the Jewish nation, then it was extended out to the world and all who profess to believe in Jesus. They used to be the chosen ones but now they are not unless they want to become Christian. God still loves them very much though.

[strateguy632]

um you yourself it "extended".

[Grond21]

Yes, and after the extension the former description was no longer true

[strateguy632]

chosen does not mean better but yes they were chosen first

[Sevenpointfive]

have you ever eaten beans? you sort them. you choose the ones you want. the perfect ones. they aren't perfect on the inside. but they all taste great!

[DrPepper12]

No. Jews, Christians and Muslims do however worship. the same God. Jesus was just another prophet to Jews and Muslims.

[Daniela1982]

The Jews don't believe Jesus was the Messiah is all. If they don't believe that, then are they really saved? There will be 144,000 Jews that will be proclaiming the Gospel to the World in the last days. So they would have to be believers to do so.

[Grond21]

Nor do the Jews believe that he was a prophet. The Muslims do however.

[DrPepper12]

@Daniela1982 correct. Not Messiah. Prophet. They're still waiting.

[DrPepper12]

@Grond21 prophet.

[Grond21]

If you are saying that Jesus was a prophet to the Jews you are incorrect. They do not believe he was prophetic, just another false Messiah and charlatan.

[Daniela1982]

@Grond21 You would think after what happened after His crucifixion with the earthquake and darkness, they would have woken up. One of the Roman soldiers did proclaim, "truly this was the Son of God!" 😮 after he saw all that was taking place. They also had people walking out of their tombs. It was like The Walking Dead.

[Grond21]

People can harden their hearts to anything, even signs from God. Look at the Egyptians

[Daniela1982]

@Grond21 True! It will be the same during The Millenium when Christ rules for 1,000 years and everything is perfect as possible, people will still rebel against God in the end, even when they know their fate if they do.

[Grond21]

I'm not convinced that that's the correct interpretation of the 1,000 years prophecy. You could be right, that's very possible. I've seen several other very possible explanations as well and honestly I have no idea. But if you are right I cannot wait for it to happen.

[DrPepper12]

@Grond21 read the early accounts from the synods of tirea and Alexandria. Sects of Judaism considered him a prophet.

[Grond21]

Those must not have been mainstream sects of Judaism if it is virtually non-extant today.

[jack1924]

Lmfao. Let me done laughing and come back to your question

[AngryCarl]

No, Christians believe that we are ALL chosen.

[genericname85]

oh they do? correct me if i'm wrong but last time i checked, if you don't accept god and have faith in god and worship god, you'll go to hell. the bible is quite unmistakable about it. but maybe they changed it since the last time i read it. I don't know.

[AngryCarl]

@genericname85 So only Jews can achieve salvation?

[genericname85]

well you'd be closer. technically you'd have to be part of the ethno-cultural group around Abraham. but what you'd have to be "exactly" is fairly difficult to answer because abraham himself amalgamated his "all powerfull god" idea from different older god cults.

i know some christians hate the idea of evolution but even god ideas have quite a lengthy evolution behind them and even Judaism or christianity or even islam are just Snapshots of that evolution.

and either way it's a collection of lies that people decided to believe for some reason so whatever xD

[genericname85]

by the way just for your understanding: there's 2 kinds of lies. the first kind is when you state something as if truth even though you know it isn't true. the second kind is if you state something to be true even though you do not actually "know" that it is true. and deistic religions all fall under the lie of the second kind.

[AngryCarl]

@genericname85 I thought we were talking about Christinaity, not Truth.

[genericname85]

well in order to talk about christianity properly, we'd have to be able to see the actual story but we can't. we can only see a tiny fraction of what was written down cause the church edited the bible quite heavily. and i think in it's more native form, it is entirely about "the jewish people", which makes sense caue it is the story of the life of the great grandson of one of the leaders of the 12 leaders ruling over isreal (aka davids kingdom) and the tribe of the jews and the occupation of their land by the romans.

[John_And_Elijah]

They're not. Christians are the TRUE isrealites

[John_And_Elijah]

Israelites*

[888theGreat]

Yep. The ones that accept Jesus

[strateguy632]

Romans 11, King James Version, I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew' never rejected.

[Sevenpointfive]

@strateguy632 i love a religious debate

[Anonymous]

Most of the Christian hate jews

[strateguy632]

probably!

[TonyMetal___86]

@anonymous, i don't hate the jews, i just feel sorry for them and hope that they snap someday and start believing in what they have preached for their whole lives...

I don't hate them because without them, there wouldn't be a religion today and there wouldn't be christianity which ia my religion but i also have my take on them because they didn't accept jesus when came to save us and they did everything possible to get rid of him!

In the end people are free, no one can make the whole earth population have the same belief!