Where does secular liberal and atheist morality come from?

[WilliamStormsReturn]

BONUS: If you believe tradition and religion are inherently harmful, please explain why.

Where would we keep moral traditions in a secular, liberal society?

[Chazmatazz269]

There is no codified liberal value system and atheism is basically just a bunch of ignorant crybabies’s response to their own bad experiences with religion and/or religious people.
There is a tiny minority of leftists who subscribe to certain philosophies. “The Good Place” is an entertaining way to expose yourself to some of the classics.
Otherwise, they tend to adopt similar values to religious groups while claiming that they are not religious. Or they choose to live boldly in defiance of morality for a time. They almost always crash out and blame religion for that too though. These are basically people who refuse to look at maps, but still blame Rand McNally for being perpetually lost. 😂😂😂
There is cultural morality that most of us obey primarily because there are societal and social consequences for breaking with it. Many of our laws are based on the same. In the west, that’s fundamentally a judeo christian value system, however loosely applied.

[slatyb]

Ask the secular nations of northern Europe -- they are less violent than the religious United States. They come from empathy which is evolutionarily advantageous and is present in several other species.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Intuitively, I think it comes from ancient Greece's influence, so before the rise of Christianity.

Epicurus is the name I think of, Diogenes of Sinope, probably other philosophical schools from this era were also advocating for materialism. Epicurus was big on freedom from fear, especially fear of gods, death, and the afterlife. While Diogenes went with cynicism, challenging every possible institution and/or tradition.

Epicureanism was already proposing human-centered ethics, instead of god-centered ones. But then Christianity spawned on the server, and probably picked up some of these ethics from ancient Greece, the new testament in particular. Rebranding them into a theistic vision of the world again, ironically lol.

And then many centuries later, Renaissance and Age of Enlightenment brought back the old greek stuff, and turned them into civil policies, human rights, fall of absolute monarchs and ofc secularism

[jshm2]

There isn't any - it's subjective for them

Hence why they are some of the most suicidal and neurotic people around. Sure they have a bit of grace here and there, but these are not people you can rely on, or be equal friends with.

[strateguy632]

most religions are harmful. like caste system jihad cutting baby parts etc etc.

[Godihateyou]

Hell. They have no morality