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I want to start by saying I am not here to attack your faith or start an angry debate. To be completely honest, I do not believe in God. When I look at the world, things like biology, the brain, and how the universe works just seem to run on their own natural rules. Because of that, I have never really found a reason to believe in a creator.
But I am also very curious. I know belief is a huge part of many people's lives, and I want to understand the other side without judging it. I really want to know what it was that convinced you that God is real.
Was it a specific moment or a personal experience you had? Is it a logical idea that just makes perfect sense to you? Or is it something you just feel deep down?
I am not asking this so I can argue with your answers or tell you that you are wrong. I genuinely just want to see things from your point of view. And I like to keep an open mind. If someone shares a reason that is truly convincing and makes sense to me, I am absolutely open to changing my mind and believing too.
So, believers, what is your main reason for believing? I would love to hear your stories.
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So the research supports that if you look at how the earth routes around the sun this can't all be by chance. There has to be some higher being that created everything.
And even people who don't believe God will scream into the sky "God please help me" or just "please help me" or they will even start praying when they feel helpless or in danger.
Cavemen discovers fire when he sees his family freezing cold. We are the only life forms that can talk or use communication devices.
Ideas pop into people's head to slove a problem.
Hitler took over almost all of Europe and was defeating quickly, but despite the lack of power and weapons you see the Muslim taking over entire countries and running down an area with just sandles and robes defeating the US army.
Christians who were killed by the Spanish inquisition still survive today and they are growing stronger.
The ones who choose community, faith and peace over dominance with the use of weapons and control keep coming out on top even thought they might not have powerful weapons or modern technology.
You can send a fully trained police officer into an Amish community and they would be scared shit less of getting attacked by their entire community despite their modern weapons and technology.
The government fears community that's why they try to get you to idolize humans, celebrities, and politicians, so you can view them as God's or your saviors.
I mean the list goes on. What i don't understand is how you can't believe in a god or a higher being.
Atheist doesn't make much sense to me. You don't need a religion because a lot that is man made, but agnostic makes more sense to me then an Atheist cutting out all possibilities of their being a higher being when there is a lot of evidence that shows there might be aliens the universe has been around for billions of years and we are still pretty young.
We still learning about other planets and things we never thought was possible become possible.
Former atheist. I believe I took materialism/Darwinism to its natural extreme. As it turns out, it doesn't lead anywhere. I ended up fairly fucked up, physically and mentally unhealthy. Lots of little health problems that lo and behold, none of them could be fixed by the doctor. I think I mentioned recently a statistic that 80% of American adults have at least one chronic disease. So once you analyse critically, you see that actually this supreme science that we rely on is quite flawed.
Scientism is another problem. The most overt example of that being shown during covid. That was a reflection of man's fucked up nature, how easily we are manipulated, nothing to do with science. There was scarcely, in fact nothing, that was scientific about the whole 'pandemic'. I don't even believe it was a pandemic. What really happened is a few extra people died from a nasty strain of the flu, from being too fat.
A change of mentality, innate belief systems, has (mostly) restored my health and wellbeing.
One must also differentiate between religion - man made and organised; and a personal belief. Organised religion leads us astray. In short, nuanced thinking is important. As is nuanced knowing, and indeed, feeling.
Everyone lives their lives with a certain degree of faith, including atheists. There is very little in life that we get to know with absolute certainty. If you read enough of the right philosophers and allow your mind to wander, there’s really almost nothing that can’t be questioned. So the vast majority of people are accepting a great deal of what they are told, what they hear, what they see and their own interpretations of their perceptions with a tremendous amount of trust.
Religion gives that natural sense of faith a foundation. So that when people are challenged with really difficult situations with no real answers in which to find comfort, their faith helps to keep them together.
There are a lot of unanswered questions in life, and even more in the universe if you’re curious. They may never be answered, but “there must be a rational explanation” is no less a statement of faith than “God works in mysterious ways”. Any one person’s guesswork is as legitimate as the next person’s, given a lack of concrete evidence to prove one theory over another.
The downside is, much like choosing a political party, people think that their party or religion knows the answer before the question is ever asked. For some zealots, it removes curiosity and ends the desire to challenge what we think we know. Worse, it informs members with a false sense of moral superiority that they think gives them the right to deal with dissenters and nonbelievers in the strictest possible ways. In my opinion, as with most things, that’s not religion’s fault. Religion is just a tool. What makes it good or bad is how people use it.
There are plenty more people using their religion to do good things than there are people using religion for nefarious purposes.
Nothing makes any sense no matter whether you believe in a god or not. Everything we know has a start and a finish. Our understanding of anything relates to everything having a beginning and an end.
Energy is constant and cannot dissipate, only reform, so thus where is the beginning?
We can say God created life but who created god?
No matter your beliefs, that simple fact remains a mystery.
Those who commit themselves to a belief system in religion and god simply claim wilful ignorance and stupidity. They say "I know" and yet must be less than those who can admit to themselves "I cannot know".
I think little of those who turn to belief. God is an idea and the reasoning behind everything immoral. You ether know or you don't know and yet you cannot know.
"I believe"
fuck off.
I believe. I am very logical and like science. I travel, seen many cultures. Some don’t believe but I don’t really care that much. My belief is personal. I can’t really explain it but it is real. It certainly isn’t based on fear. It isn’t brainwashing. It’s just me.
You're confused,
You've made the decision to hold your opinions as "facts" hence it makes no difference what anyone says. I could say "black" and you'll just scream "white" for no reason than it "feels" right to you.
All of creation. If there is a created, there must be a Creator. It didn't happen all by itself.
I am really curious about the second part of what you said. How did you come to the conclusion that the universe could not happen all by itself?
In nature, we actually see complex, beautiful, and highly ordered things form all by themselves every day through basic physics and chemistry. For example, snowflakes form highly complex, symmetrical shapes just from water freezing in the air. Crystals grow into perfect geometric shapes underground. Nobody is designing or building those by hand; the natural rules of the universe just cause them to happen without any outside help.
Also, there is a logical puzzle that always gets me stuck when I hear this idea. If the rule is that everything complex needs a creator, then a creator who is smart and powerful enough to make the entire universe must be the most complex thing of all. So, who created the creator? If you believe that God can just exist without needing to be created, why is it impossible for the universe to just exist without needing to be created?
I am not saying this to be disrespectful at all. I just genuinely want to know how you approach those specific questions, because those are the exact reasons I struggle to agree with the idea that everything needs a maker.
Actually, i believe your argument “if you believe the creator just always existed, why can’t you believe that the universe always existed” is a better argument in favor of the creator.
Study physics? Two fundamental principles of physics are that matter and energy can neither be created nor destroyed. If you ask “who or what made that” enough times, you will always land on a mystical explanation eventually. Contrary to popular rhetoric, there is actually a great deal of order in our universe. The belief that order can be born out of chaos is extraordinary, and jam packed with faith.
I like to reflect on the large Hadron collider experiments that are intended to prove the “Big Bang” theory. Let’s pretend that they were successful. Do you think it proves the big bang, or creation? Really mull it over.
Multiple nations employ dozens of the most brilliant scientists, engineers and technicians for decades to prove that an event happened completely randomly? 😂😂😂
That’s not even reflecting on the fact that LHC is their second go at it. The CERN ISR was their first go at it.
Then ask yourself this question. If the big bang really could happen completely by random. why has it happened only once in 14 BILLION years? It’s an absolutely absurd string of concepts if you really think about it. Yet you accept them entirely on faith.
That’s literally no different from religion at all.
@Chazmatazz269
I really appreciate how much thought you have put into this, and your point about the LHC is a clever way to look at it. But looking at those exact same physics principles, I actually come to the opposite conclusion. If energy and matter cannot be created or destroyed, that actually points away from a Creator. It implies energy never needed to be created in the first place because it has always existed. Believing that a Creator made the universe out of absolutely nothing is what actually breaks that fundamental law of physics.
When it comes to the idea of order from chaos, we actually see this happen completely naturally all the time. Freezing temperatures turn chaotic water vapor into perfectly symmetrical snowflakes, and gravity pulls chaotic space dust into perfectly spherical planets. Nature builds complex order automatically based on basic physical laws without requiring a guiding hand.
As for the Large Hadron Collider, recreating a massive natural event in a lab takes brilliant scientists because humans are limited, not because the event itself is intelligent. It takes teams of engineers to artificially recreate a tornado in a wind tunnel or lightning in a lab, but that does not mean natural tornadoes or lightning storms are consciously designed. It just means it takes a lot of human effort to mimic the raw power of nature.
Regarding why the Big Bang has only happened once, it is important to remember that it was not an explosion that happened inside space, but rather the initial expansion of space and time itself. Asking why it has not happened again in our universe is like asking why the foundation of a house is not still being poured while we are already standing in the living room. It might look like faith from the outside, but accepting the current science is based on measurable, testable data, and unlike faith, science is always willing to change its answer if new evidence is found.
That’s faith because all of those theories are wholly unproven. The closest we’ve gotten is mathematical models. You BELIEVE in the math. You BELIEVE in the models. Literally NOBODY was there when the “Big Bang” occurred. So literally ANY supposition about how it happened is no more or less accurate than any other. That is literally faith. You trust people in lab coats just like theists trust people in robes. Also, scientists are not any more inclined to admit that they were wrong than anyone else. In fact, i defy you to point to a single public retraction by any prominent scientific organization or figure. It has never happened. They just change their story and expect us to believe them every bit as blindly and absolutely as any religious zealot would demand. And that’s fine for you. But stop suggesting that you KNOW anything because of science. You TRUST what others claim to know. You BELIEVE what they tell you. What is extra funny about that is that you are believing absolutely in people who can and do lie, as well as simply be wrong. And you completely trust them anyway. As though they are every bit as infallible as God. And you claim that there’s no faith built into that system. 😂😂😂
Look up the Grievance Studies affair.
Read “Being Wrong” by Kathryn Schulz.
Look up the glyphosate controversy.
You are 100% a believer. You just have a different name for your religion.
You’re also dodging my point about the Big Bang. Supposedly, as you pointed out, the Big Bang CREATED everything. How is that possible if matter and energy can neither be created nor destroyed. The prevailing theory on the creation of the universe is in direct defiance of the very laws of physics that scientists assert to be absolutely true. Where is the scientist admitting to that major flaw in the calculations, if they’re so eager to admit their mistakes. Nobody knows! But you are absolutely convinced of whatever they tell you and that is faith in no uncertain terms.
I have been approached by believers, friends and strangers, but I too do not believe.
Do you think there's someone smarter than you?
Yes, absolutely! There are millions of people out there who are much smarter than I am. I do not claim to know everything or have all the answers.
Good. Do you think there are people smarter than those people?
Of course! Human intelligence is continuously evolving. We learn from the people who came before us, so our collective knowledge keeps growing.
We could go on and on, but is it safe to say there is a being that is considered smarter than all?
A careful study of modern physics and cosmology, and a realization of the complexity of the human body.
How do you think life began?
From my perspective, I lean toward the scientific explanation, which scientists call abiogenesis. Basically, the idea is that billions of years ago, Earth had a mix of simple chemicals, water, and a lot of energy from things like lightning and heat from the earth. Over a very long period of time, these simple chemicals naturally combined to make more complex molecules. Eventually, some of these molecules became able to copy themselves, which was the very first step toward simple, single celled life.
I know science does not have every single detail perfectly figured out yet, and researchers are still testing exactly how that first spark of life happened. But based on chemistry and what we know about the early Earth, this natural process just makes the most sense to me right now.
I am always open to learning, though. How about you? I would love to hear your thoughts on how it all started.
Your belief in abiogenesis is faith. There’s literally no evidence of it whatsoever.
@Chazmatazz269
Off course we don't have a video recording of the first cell forming, we have a massive amount of chemical evidence showing how the building blocks of life happen naturally.
But I would love to hear your thoughts on how it all started.
So can we watch Abiogenesis happen in a lab?
If you mean, "Can we put some basic gases and water in a test tube, leave it on a desk for a week, and watch a fully formed, living cell swim out?" no, we cannot. And to be completely honest, if a scientist ever claimed they could do that, I would be incredibly skeptical!
But if you mean, "Can we watch the individual, natural steps of abiogenesis happen in a lab?" yes, absolutely we can.
But let's do a thought experiment. For a moment, let's assume abiogenesis is completely bogus and the scientific consensus is wrong.
What is your alternative to it? I would be really curious to hear a better alternative explanation, and specifically how we might go about testing it.
So you believe that life began from nothing. And what happens after you die?
I should clear up the misconception that science claims life began from nothing, because it actually says the exact opposite. Life emerged from a highly active environment packed with chemical building blocks like water, thermal energy, and amino acids. It was not life popping into existence out of thin air, but rather non-living chemistry combining into increasingly complex structures over immense stretches of time, driven entirely by the natural laws of physics. Every atom in our bodies was forged in the hearts of dying stars, meaning we are built from the pre-existing materials of the universe itself, not from empty space.
As for what happens after we die, all the observable evidence from modern neuroscience points to one logical conclusion, which is that our consciousness, our memories, and our sense of self are entirely generated by the physical brain. We know this is true because altering the physical brain through injury, disease, or medication fundamentally alters a person's consciousness and personality. Because the mind is a direct product of that physical biology, it simply stands to reason that when the brain dies and stops functioning, that consciousness ceases to exist. It will be the exact same state as the billions of years before we were born, which did not bother us at all.
While the idea of a finite life can seem intimidating, I actually find a lot of peace and beauty in it. Knowing this is the one life we get makes the present moment infinitely more valuable, and we do not need the promise of eternity to treat each other well or appreciate the rare opportunity to experience the universe right now. That being said, I noticed you sidestepped the question I asked earlier. I answered your questions about my worldview, but I would still love to hear your thoughts on how it all started. If the scientific consensus is wrong, what is your specific alternative explanation for the origin of life, and how would we go about testing it?
But you can't put chemical building blocks like water, thermal energy, and amino acids together and create life. If you could, then you'd be able to reproduce that process. Something must have triggered it.
Don't believe in God.