Atheists, what would it take to convince you God exists?

[Wade12345]

I've presented all the standard rational and logical arguments and empirical evidences and I've done more than that by God's Grace giving me Divine Dreams over the years, and yet you Atheists pulled the lie which claimed "a broken clock was correct twice per day" and crap like that.

Seriously, what would it take for you Atheists to believe in God?

[CrimsonAngel09]

Where was God when Hitler killed thousands of Jews and people that tried to help them hide and/or escape Germany? Forced my Opa into Hitler's Youth and had him watch ways to torture them?

Where was God when my Mom was molested as a child by her Uncle?

Where was God when leukemia took my Uncle's life at a young age and my Oma and Opa had to bury their child?

Where was God when my best friend was diagnosed with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, and a few times get calls from her of wanting to end her life?

Where was God when I lost so many family members in a few years, one by suicide?

Where was God when I was bullied into almost ending my life?

Where was God when this world thinks people like me should be treated like shit because society has high standards to outer appearance?

Where was God when dogs and cats are beaten and tortured for fun and you hear their screams?

Where was God when Mothers give birth and throw babies away like trash?

Where was God when people who are just in love of the same sex are beaten or taking away their kids because "it's not normal"?

WHERE.

WAS.

GOD.

This song sums it up.

Don't bother replying, I will not see your response. You, and any other Christian followers, have no right to force people into something they don't believe in.

Good day to you.

[Wade12345]

Don't tell me what to do on my own thread.

2) You harden your heart against God, so he isn't going to help you.

3) God is not responsible for the evil acts of humans.

4) The Jews, according to their onw prophetic texts, were responsible for their own deaths in the Holocaust. The Book of Ezekiel tells the Jews of 3 generations what their crimes are against God and how God is going to punish all three generations, namely the First and Second Diasphora and the Holocaust. God said he would kill the Jews by Famine, Pestilence, and Sword because of their own IDOLATRY, human sacrifice, and abortion. He said he would spare a FEW which were represented by a few stray hairs of the prophets head which he did not destroy in the parable.

Believe me, you may not understand this, but the Holocaust was Biblically the Jews' own fault.

See the entire Book of Ezekiel which prophesies the Holocaust several times, and read Deuteronomy chapter 28, which also prophesies the Holocaust BECAUSE OF THE JEWS OWN SINS.

[Wade12345]

P. S.

God healed my sister of her Stage 3 Hodgkins Lymphoma, and I even saw an Archangel which verified the cancer was CURED miraculously by God.

You may not believe that, but to Hell with whatever satanic nonsense you claim to believe.

[Wade12345]

PPS:

God forbids homosexual relations and forbids transexualism, except for people who are literally born as both genders.

It's possible to prove from logical first principles that homosexuality and transsexualism are wrong lifestyles.

[Wade12345]

Did you know that according to the Book of Ezekiel, during the First Diaspora, 6 out of every 7 Jews were literally killed by the Righteous Angels of God because of their Idolatry and human sacrifice (abortion)?

The problem with the Jews is they think more highly of themselves than they should. They have the audacity to think they are more important than any other race or sub-race of humans, even though historically they've been on God's bad side more often than not.

I am not anti-semetic, I'm telling you what the Hebrew prophets said about their own countrymen in the prophetic books of the Bible.

[Anonymous]

I’m going to need to see Alanis Morrissette exit a church and blow off the head of Bartleby.
You got that?

[Wade12345]

Yeah, I understand perfectly that you hate God "Even if he does exist" and therefore you are hereby vowing never to repent.

[Opinion Owner]

Why does not buying into the same story as you do translate into hatred?
That stupidity is the reason why I could never believe the same stories as you do.
But go ahead…. tell me how I’m the one full of hate.

Whatta Joke

[Wade12345]

Do you know scientists do not actually "KNOW" much of anything about anything beyond the Earth's atmosphere?

They THINK general Relativity is arbitrarily close to the Truth, but Quantum Mechanics undermines the continuity of GR.

They think, as I used to think, that both of Copernicus postulates are true, but in my new MyTake that the admins haven't approved yet, I show how neither of the postulates of Copernicus is necessarily true.

In fact, Grand Unification Theory implies the Laws of the universe have changed at least one time since the Big Bang. Meanwhile, the fact the Hubble Constant is exactly the same in every direction shows we are at the very CENTER of the universe and therefore we occupy a very special place in the Universe, which proves the other postulate wrong.

[Wade12345]

We just so happen to be at the very center of the Observable Universe. I wonder what the "odds" of that happening by chance might be? so close to zero I should say.

Once you realize Copernicus CAN be wrong about both of his postulates, then you unbelievers do not have a leg to stand on, because that means God CAN Create the Universe however he wants to create it, including in as little time as six literal days of work plus one day of "rest"... or it could have been 7 infinities for all I know, or anything between, because it is "Yom" which roughly translates as "eon" in our language.

So because Grand Unification Theory implies the laws of physics DID change at least once since Creation began, that means the Biblical account of Creation CAN be 100 percent correct.

Moreover, Scientists just recently discovered that the water on the Earth and throughout the "solar system" is actually older than the Sun, just as the Bible says in the Genesis acount.

Thus the Atheistic belief that a man-made model can rule out a Self-Eternal Almighty God and that the man-made model can somehow make the Universe work without God... that is preposterous.

Your model did not pop into existence. Your model was (hopefully) an intelligent attempt to approximate reality.

However, the real Universe is Greater than Your Model. Because Your Model cannot have randomly popped into existence, but was instead (Hopefully) intelligently designed, then that means the Universe the model attempts to approximate is also intelligently designed.

Since Quantum Theory did not magically write itself, BUT WAS INSTEAD CREATED BY HUMAN INTELLECT, THEN that means the Universe described by Quantum Theory did not magically write itself either. sO THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED, WHICH IS PROVEN BY THE FACT THE SIMPLEST SELF-CONSISTENT MODEL OF THE UNIVERSE CANNOT POP INTO EXISTENCE BY ACCIDENT, BU TREQUIRES AN INTELLIGENT BEING TO WRITE IT.

THIS IS AN ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT, BUT IT IS NOT ANSELM'S ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT.

[Wade12345]

BECAUSE THE THEORY OF QM CANNOT POP INTO EXISTENCE RANDOMLY FOR NO REASON, THEN THE REAL QM THAT PRODUCES THE REAL UNIVERSE LIKEWISE CANNOT POP INTO EXISTENCE FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER. THEREFORE ALL QUANTUM PHENOMENA ARE CREATED BY A PRE-EXISTING INTELLIGENCE "COLLAPSING THE WAVE FUNCTION". THEREFORE THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED BY GOD..

IN QM, "EVENTS" DON'T HAPPEN UNLESS THE "WAVE FUNCTION" IS COLLAPSED BY THE ACT OF AN OBSERVER... BUT THE ONLY OBSERVER WHO HAS ANY TRULY CREATIVE POWER IS AN INTELLIGENT ALMIGHTY GOD.

HUMAN BEINGS CAN ONLY INVENT THINGS.

GOD CAN CREATE NEW THINGS JUST BY THINKING OR SPEAKING THEM INTO EXISTENCE, AND QM STRONGLY AGREES, BECAUSE THE ACT OF GOD OBSERVING REALITY COLLAPSES HE WAVE FUNCTION AND CREATES A FINITE OUTCOME IN THAT REALITY.

IT WOULD BE PREPOSTEROUS FOR ME TO CLAIM THAT A TREE NEVER FELL IN THE FOREST JUST BECAUSE NO MORTAL WAS THERE OT OBSERVE IT.

SO THE CORRECT INTERPRETATION OF "COLLAPSING THE WAVE FUNCTION" IS THAT ALMIGHTY OMNIISCIENT GOD DOES THAT.

[Wade12345]

a POORLY informed individual might mistakenly believe that QM implies the Universe doesn't' exist until THEY look at it, but that is wrong and ridiculous. So a mortal cannot "actually" collapse the Wave Function by looking at it... but Almighty Omniscient God is able to do that, because He is The Creator.

Therefore Quantum Mechanics provides an empirically PROVABLE AND TESTABLE Ontological Argument for Almighty God's existence. When the Wave Function Collapses it is because "God did it", since no mortal can ever truly Create anything... therefore no mortal can collapse the wave function to determine the lifespn of Schrodinger's Cat, but God can collapse the Wave Function whether or not the Door of the Safe is opened, and therefore the Cat is dead when God says the Cat is dead, and not one moment less or more, and the Cat is dead when God says it's dead whether or not a man or woman or other mortal can "see" the cat.

[Wade12345]

PUt into fewer words:

Because the man-made MODEL of QM is very close to the truth it is preposterous to think that the man-made model could have magically written itself. Understand?

The real Quantum Universe is more perfect than the man-made model. Therefore it is even more preposterous for anybody (atheists) to claim that the quantum universe popped into existence from nothing for no reason.

Since the less perfect MODEL is required to be CREATED BY INTELLIGENT DESIGN then the more perfect REALITY is required to be CREATED BY INTELLIGENT DESIGN.

That is my new "Quantum Ontological Argument". and it applies to all Models vs all realities.

Since your model of reality is intelligently designed by YOU or some other human, then that means reality itself is intelligently designed by an Almighty Being, since your model is inferior to reality, but too perfect to happen by accident, then the more perfect reality itself is also far too perfect to happen by accident. Therefore Reality was Created by a pre-existing Intelligent Creator God.

In Quantum models, they do "thought experiments" whereby a hypothetical observe collapses a wave function.

Problem: Humans do not have Creative power, we only have inventive power.

Therefore only The True Creator can actually "collapse a wave function".

Therefore God exists and he alone is Almighty and Omniscient.

[Wade12345]

the Standard Model of Particle Physics is a "Good Model" albeit not exactly correct. How good is it? Its so good Peter Higgs was able to derive the Higgs Field equation and constant, and predict all of the properties of the Higgs Boson EXACTLY CORRECTLY a full 50 years before it was eventually discovered by a systematic, brute force search.

That proves QM "works pretty darn well".

And that proves The Wave Function is Collapsed by observation.

Since we know no human has ever "Created" a Quark nor a Boson, that means the Wave Function is not collapsed by humans in the real Quantum Universe, but is rather collapsed by God.

[Wade12345]

also, conservation of baryon number also appears to be a falsehood. At least all "conservation laws' need to be qualified by the fact that The True Creator God can in fact create, destroy, or otherwise change the otherwise conserved entity. Conservation then means that no mortal nor the universe itself can change that value, but God can alwasy change that value... unless He promised not to make that change, then he will hold himself to his promise as long as the conditions allowing the continuation of the promise continue to exist.

That is God will not break covenant unless YOU break covenant first, and even then some covenants are still not broken by God. Understand?

God is never "at fault" when bad things happen, Deuteronomy 28 tells you good things happen to people who do good, and bad things happen to people who do evil. It's that simple.

[Opinion Owner]

@wade12345
Stop wasting your time. I’m not reading the drivel. I don’t can what vengeance you think will be bestowed upon me.

[Wade12345]

So with Deuteronomy 28 in mind and with Job in mind "His hand is in the whirlwind and the clouds are the dust of his feet..."

I then ask you the reader, since God controls the Weather, why do so many Earthquakes, tornadoes and hurricanes hit and destroy so many christian homes, businesses, and especially christian churches?

Sometimes it seems like nearly every tornado that forms ends up bullseyeing at least one christian church, and some tornadoes destroy five or more christian churches in teh same town.

If Christianity is the True Religion, why does God Himself Keep destroying your Churches?

Christianity is not the true religion. You worship a man instead of the True Creator God.

The True God said he is NOT a man and NOT the Son of Man.

the False god was a dead man who claimed to be the Son of Man.

Therefore Christians, tear out your New Testament and throw it away and burn it and piss on the ashes and MAYBE God will forgive you.

[Wade12345]

Jesus was not God in the Flesh, and he was not even a "good man" nor a "good teacher".

The True things Jesus did teach were just bait to get you to believe his LIES and convince his Disciples to worship him and give him all their money. That's actually why Judas betrayed Jesus, because Jesus wasted a box of INSANELY expensive ointment, and Judas, a self confessed thief, complained that it should have been sold and the money given to charity as the Law and Prophets said should have been done. Jesus just like getting attention from whores and adulteresses apparently.

[Wade12345]

If you REALLY want to get pissed off, read the Torah. The Ointment the woman broke over Jesus' head in the Gospels is specifically stated in the Torh to ONLY be used by the High priest in teh Temple as an offering before Yahweh, and never to anoint anyone's body, much less a dead man or a blasphemer. It tells you in the Torah not to make any ointment like it for any other purpose than the Temple Rituals.

So in spite of the fact Jesus CLAIMED to be fulfillign the Law, the reality is he actually did so much distorting and twistin gand pervering of the Law and on occasions he blatantly stole from farmer's fields and on occasion he blatantly falsely prophesied the 'end of time would happen within one generation". It has been over 100 generations, and what do you know, no end of time.

Peter also claimed the Day of Pentecost was "The end of the world" but it has been almost exactly 2000 years since then, and what do you know, no end of the world.

Based on wht we know about Dark Energy and the calculable future of the Universe, that would make God a LIAR if the Universe came to an end suddenly for no rational reason whatsoever, in particular since the Original Covenant with Noah specifically forbids God from destroying the Earth or everything living ever again.

capiche.

therefore, for all functional pruposes, alll "End times Prophecies" are false prophecies.

There is no such thing as the end of time. Wehn you die and go to your eternal destination, whether Heaven or Hell, there will be Time there too.

[Wade12345]

The Logical Framework of Physics is a good model of reality.
Our best man-made model of reality is obviously intelligently designed.
However, that model is less perfect than reality itself.
The Universe is perfect and maximized.
Since the Universe is more perfect than the intelligently designed model, then the Universe requires an Intelligent Designer, namely Almighty Omniscient God.

Example:

Collapsing the Wave Function to Create an "event" in Quantum Theory requires and OBSERVER.

So WHO was the observer from time T=0 going forward before any biological or molecular life existed in the universe? in order for 'events' to happen in QM, there must be an Observer, even at time T=0 there must be an Observe to produce the "event" of the Big Bang... according to the collapsing of that wave function.

The ONLY POSSIBLE OBSERVER WHO COULD HAVE BEEN PRESENT AT THE BIG BANG AND RESPONSIBLE FOR "COLLAPSING THE WAVE FUNCTION" WHICH CAUSED THE BIG BANG IS...

DRUME ROLL PLEASE...

IT IS GOD ALMIGHTY CREATOR OMNISCIENT.

[Wade12345]

in QM, "EVENTS" DO NOT HAPPEN UNLESS SOMEONE SENTIENT IS OBSERVING.

FORTUNATELY FOR US, GOD ALMIGHTY IS ALWAYS OBSERVING AND KNOWS EVERYTHING, SO THERE IS NO PROBLEM AT ALL.

THAT MEANS THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION IN QM AFTER ALL. FOR EXAMPLE, IF A TREE FALLS IN THE FOREST AND NOBODY IS AROUND TO HEAR IT, DOES IT STILL MAKE A SOUND? THE ANSWER IS GOD IS AROUND TO HEAR IT EVEN IF NO MORTALS CAN HEAR IT, SO YES, IT MAKES A SOUND... BECAUSE GOD IS OBSERVING EVEN IF NOBODY OR NOTHING ELSE IS OBSERVING, THEREFORE IT MAKES A SOUND.

Schrodinger's Cat dies if and when God wants it to die and whether or not the door is open or closed.
Schrodinger's Cat lives if and when God wants it to live and whether or not the door is open or closed.

GOD IS THE CREATOR AND GOD COLLAPSES THE WAVE FUNCTION, not mortal man.

[Wade12345]

Also, a HUMAN cannot calculate the decay of a single atom in the Schordinger's Cat experiment, because the Human cannot prove how old the atom is and a human cannot prove the internal and external forces on the atom, so a human cannot predict if and when the atom is bout to undergo radioactive decay.

Thus the "Randomness" of radioactive decay is not literally random. it just means a human can't calculated it because it's not possible for the human to know all the variables. If you knew all the variables, then it would be calculable.

On the Other Hand, God is the True Creator, and so God is the one who actually collapses the Wave Function, not a human observer.

[Wade12345]

You hate God, that much is obvious.
You hate Reason and Logic.

Observe a new version of the Ontological Argument, which works backwards from human design to the Origin of the Universe.:

Observe:

Our model of the Universe is very good.
Our model of the Universe is obviously too good to happen by accident, but rather it is intelligently designed.
Since not even a model of the Universe could happen by accident, that proves the real Universe also could not happen by accident.
Since the Universe itself did not happen by accident, that proves it happened by Intelligent Design.
Since the Universe obviously happened by Intelligent Design, that proves there is an Almighty, Self-Eternal and Omniscient Creator God.

[Wade12345]

Harden your heart some more, girl.

like I said you hate the truth and hate logic and reason and especially hate God.

Guess what? If you don't want God, bye. God doesn't want you either.

You harden your heart willingly, and God will harden it some more unwillingly.

[Wade12345]

You belong in a padded Cell if you don't care whether you go to Hell or not, because only an insane person would have that attitude..

[Opinion Owner]

Lmao 🤣 😂
I don’t believe in your book of fairytales, so I must be insane? Lol…. Okay 🤦🏻‍♀️
You’d be a little more entertaining if you paraphrase your thoughts into more bite sized chunks, you know, for easier online digestion. Nobody wants to read a wall of text, especially holier-than-thou text.
Anyway, I’m sure I just triggered another 8 pages of nonsense text from you.
Have at it hun. Clearly you have nothing better to do. I won’t read it, but you can go ahead and post it anyway.
It’s not like you do it for anybody but yourself anyway.
Good day

[Wade12345]

Oh yeah, I really spend my time on this website trying to convert people to God because I am "selfish".

It's not a fairy tale and the whole point of this thread is the scientific proof that God exists, but you are ADMITTING that you are too lazy to read even at the potential cost of your own soul, so I guess i should just give up and let you rot.

[Kaneki05]

I am sure you have, and I am sure you think your IQ is 180 and scientists are just missing obvious clear facts that prove his existence. And I am sure you never once questioned yourself because you are always right. And I am sure you judge people because they don't follow rules that are precious to your god and ya know what? You are just 1 in Billions of people that also think the same and it's funny how wrong they are compared to people who actually go by evidence, not a book as to put faith into it.

And if god does ever get proven the whole point of believing in him would become mute so seems illogical either way. But hey when I die if he appears then shrugs he exists but tbh I don't care. I don't need to know my great great great grandfather to get on with my life. What's he gonna do? Punish me for not knowing him? Seems fair lol.

[Kaneki05]

Thanks for proving my point.

[Wade12345]

You don't know Him because you don't care to know Him.

God is moral and rational, so it is not God's fault that you do not know Him. You are the one who hardens your heart against God. That's what makes you an idiot.

[Kaneki05]

Uh huh keeping proving my point, perhaps you don't get how you are? Though you should be smart enough to figure that one out if you just wait on it.

[Wade12345]

You don't get to set the conditions of debate nor the standard of Truth. God does that. Same goes for the anonymous woman on this thread too. God doesn't owe any of us anything.

[Kaneki05]

So if god does that then explain to me why your doing that? Wait no... don't tell me I know! Your his grand speaker that he conveniently only tells u the truth that only you can hear and must teach other's of his words he's spoke to you and you are just his vassal without any other purpose sounds great man you keep believing that. Good luck!

[Wade12345]

I told you, anyone who wants to hear from God can hear from God. It's only because you harden your own heart that he does not talk to you, and the same goes for everyone else.

I hate to tell you this, but God does not talk to whores/whoremongers and blasphemers like all the people on this website. The prophets were all Virgins or legally married, and I'm a Virgin.

By the way, when I was 21 years old I tested on MENSA high I. Q. society and got a 187, which is the second highest I. Q. ever officially recorded. Because of medical issues my I. Q. has fallen since then and hovers between 133 and 145, depending on who's test I take.

You can check their database, because back then they administered the official test online, which they no longer do that.

[Kaneki05]

Yeah that's right how silly of me I forgot he only speaks to virgins and then gets those virgins to tell other people to be them my bads.
Also that's not how IQ works it does not just decrease like that so maybe you need to go get tested for real and stop pretending you have results so high, oh yeah I can check their database can I?
Tell me genius with IQ of 187 which by the way is not the 2nd highest nor was it even back then how can I do that without your real name.

You do know Bobby Fischer had 187 and he was born way before you lol. Not even gonna mention about people that go further back than him lol.

[Wade12345]

Savant is the highest I. Q. ever provably recorded, and hers is 189.

Claims of people having I. Q. s higher than that are completely false. Look it up. In fact, most people have never even taken a test designed to check for people above 145.

Bobby Fischer's ELO rating was nowhere near Gary Kasparov's and probably wasn't even higher than Einstein's.

I do solemly Swear to God that I scored a 187 on the real MENSA High I. Q. Society Test in the year 2001.

[Kaneki05]

Yeah because Solemnly swearing it happens means they aren't lying. "I Solemnly swear to god Judge I never did this crime." the judge then goes "Oh well look at that you can leave then."

It is true they never took the test but tons of research can collective an amount to a good estimate without needing the test. And if you really want to get into it, even the selections of Mensa tests have been questioned to their reliability in scores.

At the end of day if u did have this high IQ or even average you would see yourself how illogical it would be for anyone online to randomly believe you. So I think that within it's self creates massive self doubt you actually do.

[anon1903]

He's god's PA.

[Masumgunahkar]

They are also sure that there is a god only They choose the path of denial in order not to be attached to an authority.

[Berethor]

Well I prefer to call myself secular, show me an Angel then I would believe that God exist.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/umqtexaA93I

[Wade12345]

You're mocking God but at the same time also trying to set the conditions under which you'd repent. The probem is you don't get to set the conditions and you don't get to define what goo dand evil are.

[Morgan234]

Look dude. I am a christian. I believe G od. I believe he died on the cross for me and the Bible is truth. And even though what you are saying is true. These people are not going to listen to you if you just shut them down. As soon as you call them an idiot their walls go up. Pushing your opinion on people is going to get you nowhere.

[exitseven]

i think that there iis some kind of a supreme being but if I was an atheist I would want to see God perform some real big time miracle like parting the Red Sea or balancing the US budget.

[sage2021]

They say there are no atheists in fox holes.

[Quackthulu2]

Empirical evidence

[Anonymous]

Actual proof.

[Wade12345]

Most of what you are taught in HIgh School and Collegiate Math and Science actually has less logical and empirical basis than the fact God exists.

You claim to believe in Laws of physics, so who created the equations which control physics?

It takes an intelligent designer to organize something as big and complex as the universe itself. Even Entropy obeys a logical and mathematical law.

[Wade12345]

I'll bite.

Information Theory and the Law of Entropy forbid the self-assembly of "Information" without an intelligent Creator. For that Reason, "spontaneous Evolution" without God's intelligence guiding it would be impossible. Therefore it is easy to see that molucular biology requires an intelligent Creator God to exist.

This is called a "Reducto ad absurdum" argument. By excluding every wrong and ridiculous claim, there is only one remaining possibility: Almighty Omniscient God exists.

[Anonymous]

Proof