In the Name of Equality, Women Should Be Compensated for Their Suffering (Page 2)
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I'm from the UK and we don't have a draft. I'm against conscription in the vast majority of cases. The only exception would be during a war as big as ww1/ww2 where you have no choice.
With that being said if you're going to have a draft it should include women. The fact is you're as capable as we are and have access to every role we do. There is no reason for women to be excluded. The arguments you put forward are in fact the same as those who didn't want women to get equal pay. It wasn't valid then and it's not valid now.
"you're as capable as we are" are you an idiot? Lmao 1 of 5 women can meet combat standards in comparison to 55% of men
"The arguments you put forward are in fact the same as those who didn't want women to get equal pay"
Well in their case they were trying to maintain the suffering gap by having men be paid more. In this case we are trying to close the suffering gap and thereby reach equality
1 in 5 women might meet the standurds but what exactly are the statistics to meant meeting it? 33% of Americans are obese aren't they? That's a massive health problem (in the west). Not all roles are combat. The majority are support roles. From your argument, since women are "less capable" (still can't believe you said that) women should be paid less in any manual job.
You're not fighting to keep compensation but to keep a privilege you have. Men in America have to sign up to vote. You get that right without condition. If you don't want to sign up then fight to abolish the draft altogether.
So should men not be allowed to have custody over their kids because they didn't have to give birth first?
Anyway, why would a woman be payed less in a manual labor job, assuming she did the same work? If anything, she should be paid more for it, because it took more energy and effort to do
Again by that logic more women should be drafted in because they have years before hand to make up for.
You're using arguments, again, used against women getting equal pay. How do you not see how ridiculous what you're saying it?
This lady is seriously stupid. A women can reach the same standards as a man in the military or whatever by training just like men do. You seem like a girl who wants things handed to you. Good luck in life with that attitude.
'Anyway, why would a woman be payed less in a manual labor job, assuming she did the same work? If anything, she should be paid more for it, because it took more energy and effort to do'
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?
No seriously, what the fuck?
I thought you were well intentioned. I assumed you just hadn't thought this all the way through.
Now I see you're just a fucking idiot without a clue about anything.
I agree with you, women should NOT be paid less. But they sure as hell shouldn't be paid more!
Even my Mum would tell you that and she worked up North for four years. (working on trains and tracks in the desert) She got paid a buttload working up there, and was getting paid the same as her work mates (who were all male), why should her mates be disadvantaged just because Mum happened to be a woman?
That's fucking stupid.
@BaileyisDarcy Exactly
@Jeeevan have you done any research at all?
Yes, I have and I have to say that these do not affect all women at all. As I said before and as I'm saying again the only thing you listed that affects all women is a PERIOD. A period is natural and is something which does not need compensating for at all. I don't know how many more times i or anybody else on this post have to tell you how absurd you sound.
@Jeeevan No, I asked whether you did any research on this:
"This lady is seriously stupid. A women can reach the same standards as a man in the military or whatever by training just like men do"
Studies show that UNtrained men have more strength than TRAINED women. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7253873
We can actually fight for equality instead of special treatment.
I disagree with your post completely.
I don't believe that men suffer less I do believe that women report it more.
Men get raped as well.
If you chose to join the military you take the same compensation as men.
Maybe we should just think of better compensation for everyone
Most of those studies adjusted for reporting bias
You can't you can't group everyone in one gender together.
You can't tell me all women and men all feel the same way and react the same way.
Don't want to get pregnant you can get an IUD basically removes most chances of you getting pregnant for 5 years.
You don't want equality you want supremacy
Fighting for special treatment IS fighting for equality.
Women and men should have equal amounts of joy and suffering. We need to close the gap, in the name of equality.
Again YOU want supremacy not equality.
If you chose to do something you accept what shit comes with it.
I don't care if your a male or female.
If you want a higher quality standard for troops all for it.
They come home and don't get what they need.
But this isn't a feminist problem it's a human rights issue
If women and men don't have equal amounts of joy, pain, pleasure, and suffering in life, it's NOT equality. YOU'RE advocating supremacy for men!
No, she isn't. She sounds like a normal person unlike you.
@Jeeevan You're advocating that men be happier than women! That's not equality!
No I'm for equality I don't want special treatment because I have a vagina you are no longer forced into the military not that women ever were. They should be informed on what they are choosing to go into and if they can't handle that they shouldn't do it.
No I'm not, your advocating for special treatment?
@Jeeevan she's not worth it she's just a child or a nutter thinking she's right. There's no reasoning with stupid
True lol
@Jeeevan people who suffer more SHOULD be given special treatment. Because everyone deserves equal happiness in life
There's that wonderful sense of entitlement that's destroying everything
Nope people who suffer more do not have the right to have special entitled, should I receive special entitlment because I gave dry skin? Maybe I should because I have a eczema? Wait wait maybe I should because I have flat feet?
The only advantage? Your kidding right?
Divorce: A woman can get half of something she never earned. This isn't the 1800's where women are helpess. A womean can do this forever and rack up $$$.
Modeling: Women make way more. Gisele Bündchen
Alimony: Even if the girl cheats most states make the guy pay it.
Kids: Women are always taking extra days off work for the "kids"
Dating: Most women still let the guy pay?
Sex: Womans choice due to mens demand.
Work: Women dont lift heavy stuff. See it all the time and get away with more.
Police: Women always try to cry wolf cause women are suppose to be the "weaker" sex. Casey Anthony? Jodi Ann Arias tried to make that claim too.
After divorce, women get *poorer*, it is men who get richer: www.theguardian.com/.../divorce-women-research
"Kids: Women are always taking extra days off work for the "kids""
Why are you putting that in quotes?
Sure will. Especially in the military. I do not say unless I have seen it. If women get poorer its their own fault. Men keep on working while women try to blame somebody else. Regardless if you are married or not you as an individual should be ensuring your survival in the economy. Oh and please tell me how cause they take the kids. I bet you support $50,000 a month child support payments too huh? Even millionaires can become poor again. Correlation is not causation.
I wish I have saved up a FB post from a successful woman to other women commenting. It read something to the tune of " you women keep on bitching bout these inequalities while I rack up degrees and a start up my businesses" That woman is my hero.
Sorry, but you are what you are.
"Compensated?" For being alive?
Would you rather have never been born?
Would you rather have been born in an earlier time, where women had it much worse? Without the modern medicine from the late 19th century forward, *men typically outlived women*, to say nothing of rights and opportunities.
"Experience many less orgasms than men (x)"? Not my women. And no, that's not bragging, but I can make them "cum" (or is that "go"?) many times before my cannon fires.
And the draft? Has not happened since 1972. And nationwide abortion has happened since then.
I think youare trying genuinely to the sort out problem that is ongoing. I don't think that's stupid and people write stupid takes about stupid things all the time. I dont tink I necessarily saw Emily agree with the take but I think you have an I interest in his to deal with inequality as appeased to just saying deal with it or it's done. So I can respect that
Honestly this crowd is unhinged like Lord of the flies. Pure Isanity. I mean they can disarlgree but most sound psychotic.
I'm. going to think this over and write back to you later :-)
Crikey is it day release from the asylum.
Just looking at the sexist comments makes me think that sexism is actually a part of our society. Sexism against women is normalized, men feel threatened because in order for all of us to be equal they have to be inferior to what they used to be. Talking about equality should start ever since we are little children, that is how sexism works. Ever since we we're children we were told not to do certain things because of our sex, we we're taught sexist stereotypes etc. Teaching kids the right things is going to actually solve a huge part of the problem.
What was sexist? Most people here made valid points with very little antagonistic replies. You sound triggered because their opinions are different than yours. Sexism doesn't exist in Western society as well as the wage gap, rape culture, white privilege, etc etc etc. They're all conspiracy theories that you were spoon fed because you're an impressionable little girl. I was 110% liberal a year ago like you. I believed in all the things I'm preaching to you about now. You're very misinformed and I advise you to do a bit of a research because you sound completely uneducated.
@Ethrealness you sound like the completely uneducated one here. I'm really shocked by your ignorance
Says the one with no argument. Typical response from a brainwashed liberal.
@Ethrealness
-catcalling/street harassment
-double standards (such as number of sexual partners, housework, work etc)
-sentences like "you behave like a girl", "you throw like a girl", "man up", "grow some balls" implying that women are weak
-too strict dress codes for girls at school, almost none for boys, (like not showing their legs or shoulders and many more)
-constand sexualization of women, like on the media (movies, advertising, tv shows, models etc), breastfeeding in public and even at school when they are kids thus the strict dress codes that I mentioned before
-gender stereotypes in the workplace, like assuming that a man know best, not hiring women because they might be mothers, although men can be fathers too, sexual harassment at work
-body expectations, telling women how they should look, that if they don't shave they are disgusting but if men don't shave it's normal. Too many unrealistic expectations for the female body and body shaming
@Ethrealness I wrote some examples and I have more but I'm not going to write them if you're not going to listen
I want statistics, facts, and links -- not conspiracy theories and feelings.
@Ethrealness Conspiracy theories? How messed up is your mind? All these come from experience, mine and many many other women I know.
Most people are taking the "I'm outraged!" tactic, so I'll take a different one. Here are some inequalities which favor women.
- Men require approximately 500 calories of extra energy per day than women, based off of biological factors. Over a lifetime this is ~15M calories of extra energy that we have to pay for.
- Women live several years longer than men.
- Men work 43 hours per week vs. women's 35 hours.
- The suicide rate is 4 times higher among men.
- Considerably more boys (1/5th of all boys!!!) than girls are forced to take ADHD medication because teachers would rather them drugged up than have to put in a little more effort.
- Early onset serious mental health conditions such as schizophrenia are up to 7 times higher in boys/men.
By your reasoning, men should receive compensation for these things.
The only reason more boys get cooked up on ADHD medication is because it's simply harder to spot it in girls.
Boys with ADHD can become aggressive, loud and of course, hyper active. I can't remember how girls with ADHD behave but I remember it being a lot less obvious.
But otherwise, I totally agree with you. Just had to point that out.
Eating food I'd pleasurable
Women require tampons n stuff which isn't pleasurable
You only addressed one point, but okay...
Food costs money. 500 calories extra per day, that's ~$20 per week, $1000 a year.
This is why feminism is hated more and more.
And your approval is not necessary for women to be drafted, that already happened, you don't have a choice anymore.
Suck it up buttercup.
In Israel everyone gets drafted. Now that's equality.
Women need to be compensated in other ways
No they don't, and they will not be.
Deal with it.
Men go through suffering as well. Guess what? Life is difficult. This is, I'm sorry to say the worst argument I've heard for not wanting to include women in the draft.
I want the draft abolished altogether. No one should be forced into going to a war that politicians create.
So you have it tough, in what way is that the fault of anyone else? Why do other people owe you compensation if they had nothing whatever to do with your situation?
Do you think everyone owes it to everyone else to guarantee an equal outcome in life? What do you think would happen in society if such a guarantee were made? How many people do you think would do work, particularly unpleasant work if they got only the same outcome as people who did nothing? If everyone were compensated for their suffering just how much suffering do you think people would claim to have?
In short, who pays the bill and why should they go along with your plan?
Nope, women should not be compensated for the fact that nature made you inferior to men.
Women are already compensated in ways like payed maternity leave, abortion laws and marriage/divorce laws etc, and many of those advantages given to women should be taken away if we truly want an equal society. Equal opportunity is what we should strive for and we already have that, in fact women have advantages there today due to quotation laws that favor them for just being women.
Equality in your point of view, as well as the view of most feminists, means that we need to discriminate against men and give women preferential treatment for the sole reason that men are biologically superior to women. Some men might be more inclined to agree to this "compensation" if more women and feminists where willing to admit the fact that you are inferior to us.
I find it extremely unfair that my brothers can have their lives turned completely upside down in a heartbeat, but I and our sisters are exempt simply because of our lack of a y chromosome. What makes us so much better than them that we are spared from a draft? Yet we (as a whole) demand to be treated as equals. You want equality, sweetie? The bad comes along with the good.
Then kick men in the balls once a month
In some cultures, when a mother is in labor, she ties a rope around the fathers testicles and yanks on it whenever she feels a contraction.
Should we start advocating that now because Equality and Fairness?
Do you honestly feel that they fucking owe you something just because, by some random chance, they were born with a penis and not a vagina? Wake up and smell the roses, sweetheart. Life sucks a little for everyone.
"The birthpangs make all men debtors of all women" - Teddy Roosevelt
Please. That's not an argument. That's a humble quote by an incredible man, but it's not meant to be taken literally.
men are better than women, and that is why you have been spared the draft for so long, but now when you want to be treated equal you will get drafted, which will only make the superiority of men more noticeable.
We have equal happiness and well-being! Guys can not, should not, and WILL NOT compensate for biological disadvantages. It's immoral for a girl to think that she deserves special treatment just for being a girl. All your theory will do is make guys feel less happy since they have to compensate for something they had absolutely no choice in or control of... Thus destroying your equal happiness and well-being theory!!
I've already thanked and shown appreciation for the women who suffered for me in some way or other. To offer them money for it would be seen as an insult, because the women I know have things called "pride" and "accountability."
My mother loves me. She brought me into the world because she believed it was worth the pain and the expense. I owe her my love and my honor, not financial compensation. To other people, male OR female, who have suffered on my account, I owe an apology.
To women I have never harmed or even met, I owe nothing but common courtesy.
Men get murdered, stabbed and assaulted much more. often than women do.
Men have much higher rates of suicide ( i guess they must have a lot less suffering right)
At least womens issues are taken seriously, we are just told to man the f up. Nah our issues are apparently not as important.
I think you are comoensated for more than enough.
Real tired of your problems..
Woman up and deal with it.
Stop asking for help
@slimstiffy Agreed! Sadly these cry baby feminist will only bitch at you for not agreeing or being brainwashed in their cult.
@ClassyMe
I know they will. I dont really care anymore. I can't support feminism as long as they have their always male culprit-female victim mentality.
Actually im glad that women, like you are realizing their bs and walking away from it.
Women are more likely to suffer from PTSD in the civilian population, because they are MORE likely to report it. Once you look at the military population this discrepancy disappears, because the military is looking for it, oppose to making the people report it on their own volition. Men are less likely to REPORT emotional distress, and symptoms of PTSD than women.
Even studies which adjust for reporting bias show that women experience more than men do
No... I have a book right beside me on this matter. I am in medicine, and a Week of class was spent on explaining this discrepancy. It is because MEN don't report it. 20% of women who experience a traumatic event will suffer from PTSD, while only 8% of men will, who are both civilians. However, once you look at the military population it goes to 20% for BOTH men and women. Suggesting that men DON'T report their symptoms, or don't know how to interpret their distress so they don't seek help. Plus psychologists and screening methods are implemented much more aggressively in the military ensuring that these people don't go home, and pose risks to other people in the civilian population.
Men are also far more likely to develop mental health disorders due to being hemizygous, and are more likely to suffer from substance abuse disorders (we make up a vast majority of the drug addicted population).
Thanks for the info :)
You know your trolling is bad, when just reading the title you know it's a troll.
XD
OMG XD I think this is stupid as it gets XD hahahahahahaaaaa!!! XD OMG!
I hope this is a joke... like reaaaaaly hoping!
People are dying in war, from hunger, slavery, human traffic, poverty and You bring up "this" ? Like really?
Really praying this is just a sick joke ! XD
You're afforded the same opportunities as everyone else and there's healthcare and support for those individuals who need it. You're generalizing a ton, it doesn't make sense to group all women together and make a sweeping judgement about them. Individuals have individual problems, so you have services that tackle problems on a individual basis.
There's another alternative that needs to be considered; toughen up. The question is how easy and effective it would be. But for a number of issues you could say the issue is a lack of emotional resilience or something to that effect. If you respond to negative stimuli more then perhaps you need to work on your outlook. Introspect and find what you need for interpret things more positively. instead of demanding others to solve your discomfort for you.
If you want to talk about equality then what i"m gathering is that you think women are feeble and retarded - literally inferior, and need to be coddled, protected and catered to.
Which men have been doing since the species started. Theyre fighting nature at the behest of a bunch of crazies who never fit in
Yet another way to lengthen the spending gap. Much of what you state is absolutely false. Men have a higher suicide rate, die earlier, and suffer more work place injuries. Are MUCH, MUCH more likely to be a victim of a violent crime, and are just as likely to be victim's of domestic violence and rape.