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all this stuff against feminism, its just a modern version of 20th century women are getting to uppity they dont know their place.
and all that junk up above... doesn't change the fact that the political system we find ourselves in requires many social movements feminism only one of many. you dont treat illness by pretending a body is not complex and relying on a general practitioner. there are specialists bc each organ has its own needs. dealing with those needs isn't claiming one organ is more valuable than the other. is just taking each organ seriously to keep the whole body (politic) healthy.
Yeah... Because, why stop at equality? No nation in the West needs feminism... There is not a single reason... none... And we can all see how beneficial post modern feminism is... trying to ban something like men sitting normally in metro-rails... Stupid arrogant western equivocating delusional c*nt... Go ahead, report me...
Women take up more than one seat all the time (with purses, sitting sideways, etc) yet they don't get arrested like men are for doing the exact same thing.
Also, men are pressured to give their seat up for women in certain situations.
It's not the same at all. Granted, there are sexist guys who want women in the kitchen and off the job market.
But this is about powerful women being really nasty to men in general. Why should men put up with being called rapists, creeps etc. all the time by the same people telling us that a female teacher abusing a male student is perfectly fine and he probably liked it?
So ignore ALLLLL the BAD and the lack of positive movement because there are things that need to be changed in the world.
If you had an "organ" which was causing massive sickness, you would have it fixed or removed.
No. Simply focus on bettering life for women instead of hating on men.
first of all when i said desp[ite the above im referring to propaganda and personal opinion not actual substance,.
as far as any REAL issues that feminism has which haven't been mentioned,. how is that different than any movement. name one movement that is completely formed and perfect. there is none BECAUSE movements only exist bc they are needed vb. the system they exist within is sick.
feminism is is just being used asa a scapegoat. there's nothing in feminism that hurts anyone. it doesn't have the power to do that.
people have bad ideas. individuals do not represent an entire movement and there's reason to assume just bc any person calling themselves a feminist is a feminist. you are what you do not what you say. lol just like all the people saying they are egalitarian while living in culture priding itself on domination. you guys dont even bother to make sure you're making sense.
ok i can see your confusion. you thought hitler was well intentioned... and you think you're an egalitarian.
i read mein kampf too and it sounds like a great plan well written well thought out, if you leave out every other word that addresses the extermination of people.
and you clearly missed what actual scapegoating is how it works flew right on by over your head.
you realize too dont you that people use titles t push agendas that have nothing to do with what they say they stanched for. kit doesn't sound like you understand that. the list of things you posted on here dopiest begin to represent the actual movement. there are millions of people in the feminist movement.
feminism is about equality. about making sure women stay equal bc in case you haven't paid attention history repeats itself. there's no such thing as old feminism and new feminism , there is feminism bc women are women give birth and their well being and the childs will being can be compromised.
that is what happened and there's no reason it won't happen again. that women get pregnant and give birth is at the heart of all sexism. so unless you're planning on growing babies with testubes you better hop;e you have someone out there supporting womanhood. nothing is magically equal. just bc some peopler like the idea. you're talking about ideas not actual reality. its like you dont pay attention to politics at all. someone told you some bad stories now you think women who want to end AND not return to female oppression are evil.
do you notice how after a revolution countries do things to keep their countries safe from invasion and overthrow or slavery? women have b in able to accomplish a certain amount, but just the fact there's so much anger over a womans movement shows its necessary.
like you said a bad organ needs to be fixed. but no where here are you saying feminism needs to be fixed,. just executed.
and how do you deal with women issues or mens issues or disabled or workers or anyone without actually recognizing the group and forming a movement that protects that groups interests. you dont like the word fine another, but as long as women are getting raped for being women and girls are told being a grill is the worst fucking thing and the word woman or girl or pussy is used to denote weakness pathetic ness and ineffectiveness, as long as women dont have full rights to their own bodies, as long as kids are taught were all different but equal meaning women are a bit softer dumber less useful than men, as a woman you need protection and representation. and to claim its not necessary bc you dont want to be cackled a feminist is just ignorant. i MEAN its ignorant. not that you're a horrible person but that you're losing sight of a very important fact of being a woman. there is descrimninbation and saying you want equality is not the problem everyone should. but wanting and having are not
you dont get points just for wanting.
anyhow there's not equality. there are people living in the united states under third world conditions while others are billionares not paying taxes. if you are the wrong height weight color you're less likely to get a job. young black men are being targeted by police at a record high. americans - who have money- live a relatively comfortable life bc of all the countries we invade and owe money to., abu grab and guantanamo are holding people in there who are innocent and upon leaving will be targeted bc they were there not bc they did anything to begin with. kids who are not lucky enough to be born into wealthy families can't get a proper or competitive education. l just by being born wrong. we dont Have EQUALITY this is not an egalitarian society. getting rid of whom, mens movement insult going to solve that5. and since domination is built on the conce[pt of masculinity and might makes right and district,. the more you down play the importance
women rights women voice and the necessity for protection of the half of the species that gives life, the more you leave a world open to violence.
its funny asa long as people are talking about fighting making money having sifgnifdficant power they say women are naturally 'softer more in touch with feelings and nature therefore are too sensitive for real hard jobs'. but when were talking about world peace, those supposedly natural state of empathy is only discussed in books.
i dont want the world being run by violent megalomaniac women and men who make up a beast called masculinity throne use it as an excuse to destroy. feminism doesn't solve imperialism but making sure women continue to fight against oppression,. at least leaves the door open.,
the opposite of feminism is not manism or whatever the hell its called. feminism seeks to prevent oppression. the examples you gave are not in line with the concept of feminism. doesn't mean people won't try and use it for their purposes-
like anything else.
imp not hearing from you that you never said you dont like feminism that you want to reform feminism. you want a new women movement, imp hearing you you say you dont want a woman movement period bc that leads to corruption. corruption its;lf is a problem. that needs to/ be dealt with in ASNY movement. throwing away movements doesn't rid corruption. in fact when you get rid of movements instead of getting rid of the corruption you just strengthen opposing forces.
pitting workers against workers blacks against whites palistinians against isarealis. all the people against each other... thats what your beloved hitler did and thats what people do when they want world domination. 'divide and conquer'
and all this hatred against a woman movement is keeping women busy arguing to have or not to have instead of dealing with real issues. and dealing with those issues doesn't take away from dealing with mens issues but these things dont happen all in one place.
that leads to chaos. if you're studying for math you dont study for English bc it will feel left out. you study at a different time.
creating chaos and division is a political tactic to keep people depoliticized. while everyone is hollering how they dont like feminism bc they care about everyone no one is looking around seeing how everyone is not being cared for. there's no real debate over feminism. people need movements that protect their interests and political systems that protect everyones interest. you're not going to do away with that needs by claiming egalitarianism when its no where. you dont see it anywhere. it doesn't exist. and if you want equality then people have to have equal rights. historically women issues were constantly pout aside for greater good. we can't deal with domestic ossifies bc were at war. we can't deal with women not voting bc we have to end racism.
again women are being told they have to take a step back bcc everyone is important. of course everyone is
important., everyone being important doesn't mean women once again take a back seat. there's nothing wrong or evil about having an organization that protects the needs of its members. its necessary bc that's the world we live in.
as far as things you think feminists are trying to do that you dont like-- fight against it.
when you vote for someone and they end up not doing what you wanted or what they said do you change political parties? a movement is limited by the culture it exists in., just like if you said you're for the equal peoples movement., we dont currently HAVE that, and there will be people in that movement trying to convince you that segregation is 'equal' that was the argument in the 1950s remember.. colored bathrooms colored schools. how would you deal with that kind of corruption in your 'equal' movement?
and egalitarianism is a political sysytem so you can't compare it to feminism bcc thats a social movement. like you have an educational system then advocates for
for interests of different groups. sop it wouldn't make sense to say i dont want to have advocacy groups bc imm for educational system.
i want education for everyone so i dont want advocacy for girls sports or students with disabilities act or no child left behind... that would be incoherent,.
AZARA "There is noting in feminism that hurts anyone"... ARE YOU SERIOUS!
Feminist have physically attacked people, killed a womans dog, they support and ignore acts of violence towards men. #killallwhitemen for christ sake. So don't you DARE try and marginalize it with your ignorance.
AND Mein Kampf DOES NOT SAY anything about starting genocide of the Jews directly. It most certainly talks about antisemitism and superiotiy of Aryan race, but it doesn't talk about starting concentration camp and mass-killing the Jews. In fact, Hitler himself wanted to deport the Jews to German. ONCE AGAIN... Your bullshit has been called.
You seem to again feel that ignoring all the obvious proof above and stating the definition will somehow make it true that feminism is about equality. But when you actually pay attention to the items above, it isn't hard to see it is not.
How is women giving birth the heart of sexism? I can't even...
Also you think that my pointing out the MASSIVE issues with feminism is somehow not trying to fix it.
If we stop allowing ALL the bullshit we will have much more time and resources to fix ACTUAL issues instead of fighting against nonsense like a guy at a convention wearing a shirt, or men on a bus sitting comfortably to accommodate their genitals.
The only way to actually fix real issues people are having is to point out and stop all the shit that is making if more difficult for those issues to be even recognized.
Also your last rant...
Men are raped (but it's ignored)
Men are portrayed and told they are the worst things in the world about everything (especially by feminist)
Telling a female she is manly or calling someone a prick or a dick is just as negative
Men don't have rights to fight for the life they are 50% part of
Boys are taught they are rapist in waiting, they are perpetual criminals
So in regards to IGNORANT... you ignoring HALF of the populations issues is ignorant.
Yes, and if any of those practitioners is a quack or has false qualifications, and is really doing more HARM than good to the organ or the body as a whole, that quack MUST go!
Bravo! Bravo! A lot of this has summed up every discussion I've ever had with feminists. When I asked them for 5 inequalities women face in the west they could not answer and said "why should I have to answer" "research it yourself" etc or brought up stupid feminist myths. I'm adding this post to the list of "shutdown a feminist instantly" collection
i couldnt care less really the ones in western countries fight for "problems" in the west and dont do shit for women in the middle east. the most they do is mention them once and completely glaze over that topic.
@kypros
What's up with Americans? This feminism and anti-feminism shit has to stop for once! It is you.. yes you Americans.. who mostly have an issue with feminism and have a warped view of what feminism actually entails.
Look at Norway, Sweden and Denmark.. I don't see them bitching the way you do about feminism, feminazis, antifeminism, mftow, all that shit. Yet they are the most feminist societies!
Ugh.. god damn you Americans!
Just because in those areas feminism has a stronger choke hold on society which allows them to stifle and silence any and all criticism, does NOT mean they are any less evil.
Men in those areas are treated like second class citizens. There are NO laws in Sweden whatsoever that discriminate against women, or any other groups. Only men are considered less worthy in the eye of the Swedish law.
Feminism there is ties together in one big social political party.
The swedish documentary "The gender war" by journalist Evin Rubar shows the truth of how it really is under this regime.
Evin Rubar did a very brave thing in making this documentary, and of course paid a steep price. Branded a "traitor". She was threatened and harassed to a degree that forced her to go underground in 2005. The bullying feminist powers banned it in 2006, from ever being televised again.
Those people included Lena Adelsohn Liljeroth the current Minister of Culture & chairman of ROKS shelter for women.
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Annika Åhnberg chairman of "Rädda Barnen" (Save the Children) which suprisingly took a radical feminist and misandric turn. *Shocking
That same board after getting complaints about a show where an innocent man was identified as a murderer "the Da Costa case", was the one that started the whole witchhunt and mystique regarding men and fathers in Sweden, was not banned.
A documentry showing facts agasint feminism BANNED
A show falsely calling a man out as a murderer and causing massive miandry... ALLOWED
Funny huh.
This is one of MANY things this board passed which witchhunts males even after complaints of it's lack of proof.
There is no doubt a very legit reason you believe no one complains about feminism in these areas... Fear.
*Shots fired*
These have always been my critiques of feminism, and I'm not even anti-feminist. I'm actually more pro-feminist. But feminism's negative public image isn't going to fix itself by simply denying these parts of their movement and expecting everyone else to ignore it.
It's like banning homophobic words instead of actually doing anything about homophobia. It is at best a band-aid. But all it does is cause people to internalize their resentment for the group.
Logic facts and reasoning. The three things a feminist hates the most.
Oh and this is definitely what feminism is today.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0
Citing a bunch of articles where people who declare themselves feminists do awful things then proceed to say that most feminists are like the ones who, you know, kill dogs is not logical reasoning. A quick google search can bring up completely opposite results:
m.mic.com/.../23-ways-feminism-has-made-the-world-a-better-place-for-men
Always remember that it's all about perspective.
Your points are wrong:
1. The economic boost was only temporary due to the fact that the economy when feminism started was going quite bad. Now since having double the earners and double the clients, this created a short-mid term increase in economy. In return though it pushed the income of all down due to more workers. Nowadays though economy is going drastically down and everyone who spends a few minutes with it knows it.
2. There are also studies who show the exact opposite. It's just cherry-picking.
3. On the other hand it created tons of laws which do discriminate men. "Yes means Yes", VAWA, etc
5. Being able to have more meaningless sex with different women doesn't equal to better sex. Needless to say that several studies repeatedly found out that promiscuous women tend to be mentally instable.
6. Lol. That point. How much say does men have in abortion? It's somewhere between 1 and -1. It's the number 0, yet having the full financial responsibility and burden.
7. The new definition still requires penetration only and therefore is biased towards men being the perpetrator while almost completely excluding lesbians.
9. Once more displaying as men being the perpetrator.
10. This is not equality, this is retarded. It's time and time again that military experts claim that women in the front-lines are burdens to the mission and put their fellow soldiers into risk. It would be equal, if women had the chance to the same physical standards than men - which would result in almost no women ever being in the front-line (additionally to way fewer female firefighters, etc). You don't play with peoples lifes just to push some agenda of feel-good.
11. Cherry-Picking.
13. And before Feminism only the man had to work full-time so the woman could care their entire day with family and household. Effectively one person working 40 hours a week is better than two person working 30. Not to mention that after childbirth statistically men work more to provide
14. Except whites and men. You can't be racist against whites. You can't be sexist against men. I heard it tons of times and seen it even more in action.
15. Actually gay men do in fact have a way higher risk of STDs due to more promiscuous and hedonistic lifestyle often excluding condom-usage. So it's a stereotype they brought upon themselevs and fighting against it is just taking away responsibility of them.
17. Yet in every music-video with Jay-Z she gets degraded as heck. Typical hypocrite.
18. There were female inventions before feminism. Claiming that as an feminist achievement is just ridiculous.
19. Misuse of statistics. That increased happiness is proven to be only a spark and remained steady for men. The average happiness on women though is steadily declining since the 60s.
20. Except that masculinity is still displayed as toxic. Kids, especially boys, do need role-models they can look up to and not the clumsy kind of geeky guy to make fun of.
21. Statistically the more freedom women have, the more likely they are to choose typical female occupations. And vice versa. Yet the aim is to somehow force people to do the opposite of what they do? Graz.
22. "Feminism teaches us that nothing is objective, not even science." - This fucking quote. Yes, most sciences feminists major in are indeed not objective. That's womens studies and shit like this. Math, physics, etc are indeed objective as that's a requirement for being a hard science.
Additionally this is anecdotcal evidence of a single person explaining traits any decent human being should naturally have.
23. Yet, Immigration is still a huge issue and pretty much every country in history with high amounts of immigration collapses. Not because of immigrants being bad per se, but due to a fast movement in society destabilises it. inb4 that's racist. Truth is apparently offensive
3, if I am generous 4, points out of 23 are actually legit. Good job.
"Logic facts and reasoning. The three things a feminist hates the most." Amen brother!
Goddamn it I am buying you the most expensive luxurious dinner you can think of.
Its sad that on here you would have to go anon so you don't face any stigma, or be hated.
Top freaking kek that I get voted down for saying i want to buy this woman dinner.
You girls be jealous :p
Clearly you're a boy with a girl's account. Or a man paid you to write all that. I'm a feminist goddammit let me tell you how to think!
No just kidding. That was very well put together and organized. Feminism is dying and ironically it's the feminists themselves who are poisoning their own mission.
Make no mistake. Feminism is just a fabricated divide-and-conquer tool that has turned men and women against each other.
You are either a guy, are a woman that is going to make some man very happy someday. I think feminism not being for equality is the real reason men don't want to get married. If I ever get remarried it will be to a woman that is against feminism and is for real equality. Anything else is a red flag that I won't consider marrying.
I am a girl, and there are MANY of us against feminism.
https://womenagainstfeminism.tumblr.com/
We are growing in numbers.
I know there is more and more women turning away from what feminism has become. I just haven't met any women like that in real life. Every single woman I know identifies as a feminist.
Amen bro, except for the she is a guy part. But as far as dating/marrying why would anyone date or marry anyone who hates them for who they are? Maybe that is why the divorce rates are so high.
The truth is, feminists are a dying breed. Young women are turning away from this hate movement. Once the middle-aged females die off, we should be good.
Actually it's the other way around. Especially considering the world has become smaller because we're closely connected due to internet and we can help women in very misogynistic societies to overcome and achieve what Western women had achieved in their countries. I'm a proud pansexual feminist, equalist, humanist, vegetarian human being ;)
If you are an equalist, humanist what work are you doing to help with men's issues?
Do you also work towards ending the false information commonly purported by feminism?
Amazing take, spot on! Glad there are people out there who are ACTUALLY for equality, and have the good sense to see through the propaganda!
Aside from your wonderful take I would just like to point out one of your comments:
"Thanks but it isn't hard to point out the sky is blue to someone who insists its pink.
Facts are facts and actions speak for themselves. Those who reduce their argument to shaming and personal attacks already know they have nothing to fight with which is why they play by the petty playground rules."
You nailed it! As spot on as your take!
I wish I could follow you, but you are anon...
Funnily enough, I'd love to disagree, but I just think of what I know about the rabid SJWs and I just cannot disagree. The whole `women only, men are scum` thing is equally as dumb as anything written that could fit well into the `TRP`. I do tend to visit /r/tumblrinaction sometimes, after all.
What you know about the SJWs turns you against all the honest feminists working for equality? Do you let the actions of a few (insert any group here) turn you against all (insert same group again)? I would not have thought that you are that way.
@Red_Arrow I just don't trust "groups" in general.
Being part of a group doesn't really mean anything. In fact, identifying with a group can mean so many things, it may as well mean nothing.
Individuals cannot effect change. They get together as groups to do that. Many individuals will join a group and still act outside the standards of that group. (Just look at G@G) This Take was written to put down any attempt at gaining equality and respect, and I believe it was written by one of the many men who have been bashing women on here recently.
@Red_Arrow individuals can effect change only if others are perceptive to it, which due to that most often the "dumbest is the loudest is the proudest" unfortunately gets drowned in noise whether it's a good thing or bad. What one needs for others to listen is charisma.
@Red_Arrow
My experience and many others is that what's quoted here is not atypical of feminism as an organized force on campuses and in society in 2015. These are typical actions, and represent the views of current feminist leadership. I notice that most (not all) women and men on GaG who say they are feminists are either younger than college age, older than 45 or 50, or live in the developing world. They have not actually encountered organized modern feminism yet.
@redarrow This post was certainly NOT made by a man... there is a large growing number of females who are against feminism. The fact that you falsely gendered me simply because you don't believe a female can be against a group that does much more harm for women than it does good, shows a level of ignorance.
This post was not made to put down a group attempting to gain equality and respect... if you look at ANY of the posted actions, they are not made up... these are the actions of the group YOU say wants respect and equality? Seriously! wow... I would hate to see a group you feel is working against those items then. Sheesh.
@Red_Arrow
@Red_Arrow please don't tell me you think you are working for equality? If the actions are not of the movement itself, and just a few "radicals" what has been done to stop them? More importantly why are the radicals the only ones getting things done in the movement? Why would any movement allow such a thing?
And why would someone who claims to be working for equality, try and brainwash a poor girl who was raped into thinking that rape and sex are anywhere close to the same thing? Typical feminist bullshit.
I will point out the Suffragettes as an important earlier group of feminists. Are you for taking the vote back away from women, or were they right? Marlene Dietrich went way against the norm by wearing trousers, a form of feminism. The fictional 'Rosie the Riveter', and empowering symbol of the women who worked throughout World War II, still stands as an icon of feminism. Eva Peron gained the right to vote and attend universities in Argentina. Barbara Walters was the first female co-host of any news show, a feminist move. Maya Angelou has helped women overcome gender discrimination. The list goes on and on. Would you criticize those feminists for what they have accomplished, and lump them with the few 'bad apples'?
Nowhere did I say I was 'working for equality', but I do support it.
"And why would someone who claims to be working for equality, try and brainwash a poor girl who was raped into thinking that rape and sex are anywhere close to the same thing?" Who? What? Huh?
@genuinlysensitive
Ohh redarrow... the ol' take back the vote comment. You realize that the actions of the group decades ago does NOT excuse the actions of the group today.
Everything you are trying to use as an example of "great feminism" was decades ago.
How about you find some examples of feminism actually making strides TODAY! and like I said above, NOT crap where they are taking credit for stuff that would have happened regardless.
@Red_Arrow for mention
You are just talking about the radical feminists. You want to say we all go in 1 category, but we don't. Just like Muslims, it's a religion and Muslims are good people, but when they get radical they become our terrorists. But you can't say all Muslims are terrorists and shouldn't live. Same with feminism. You say you haven't heard good stories, that's because it's only the radicals who are willing to do something big. They're radical. You also say we don't want equality cause we will loose our "women rights", we have those rights cause we have no other rights. If we were equal we would have more rights. Great rights. We'd loose the women right but gain a lot more rights, respect and more. Don't put all feminists in a category acting like you know us, until you do.
I am not just talking about radical feminist. These feminist are the leaders, the voices, and the power of feminism. NOW is the National Organization of Women, WAR is a foundation, the women doing everything above are the norm, they are the status quo. Emma Watson talked about wage gap at the UN. This misinformation is not just through RADFEMS... your excusing the actions of the group with your comment, but it is the actions of THE GROUP. You are right "I don't know" all feminist, but the ones I DO KNOW are the ones listed above, the ones making noise, the ones getting laws made that affect EVERYONE. Regardless of the scapegoat you use, these "feminist" are the group.
Then why aren't any of these "true" feminists speaking out against the sexism of the "radicals"? Why are they sometimes even supporting it?
As an atheist who supports gay rights and all forms of social freedoms, I have to say no. Both feminists and muslims seem to be far more offended by people pointing out that radicals make them look bad then by the radicals in there group. So, they just let the radicals do whatever then when people start to call BS they get all pissy. Also religion is still a choice so it is not excluded from criticism.
No! Feminists are not muslims, feminists are Al qaeda. A radical movement seeking to oppress and or destroy people.
To take owner and @Maverickj
It is only the radical feminists who have the guts to stand up and do something, they're radical. The rest of the feminists live, striving for equality. Like me. I'm a feminist. But I don't do any of that crazy stuff, I work on the people around me. Changing they're mind to see me as equal as a man. To see me as strong and smart like him. So that I don't have to have a man make a business call for me cause they won't take a female seriously. I'm not rad so I'm not going crazy trying to change people, if I was, you'd hear about me. You'd know about me. But you've never heard of me or know about me as a feminist cause I'm not a rad. I'm not interesting enough for the news to cover me. You're basing all this on the news and the Internet. You will only find the radfems there. You will never find me.
@anon4122 you are acting like these groups are tight knit families where we all know eachother and control eachother. I don't know any of the feminists she talked about and I don't support them. I think what they are doing is wrong and disgusting and upsetting but I can't call them up and be like "hey girl you're messing this up for me. Could ya stop?" I don't know them. They don't know me. We have nothing to do with eachother. I don't support them, and that's all I can do. Just like that's all you can do when your political party is doing something you don't agree with.
@genuinlysensitive I think you need to do some more research before rushing to that conclusion … I think you also need to change your username
Paint_B: How do you work to make people around you see you as equal to a man?
I never have to work to do that, I have a multitude of privileges that men don't. So if I wanted to make myself equal to a man, I would have to work towards giving up those things. (Which I do, I am currently working towards helping men get equal custody rights to their children.)
When you talk about wanting to be as strong as a man, do you mean emotionally or physically?
Because they both would require a definition of what you call strong. Females are strong in pain tolerance like giving birth, men are on average more brute strength strong. Women are emotionally stronger on average when it comes to compassion and bonded relationships, but in regards to being stronger under emotional pressure, men are on average stronger... it's biology.
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.. When I talk about massive organizations like NOW and WAR. These are indeed tight knit families and they are not "radfems" but they all believe the same falseities. They all work towards the same doctrine.
So when it comes to feminist who are pushing the mininformation, it seems like a simple idea to have these massive powers of persuasion shut it down, but they don't, they applaud it and they promote it.
When a political party does something you don't agree with, you stop supporting them. If I was putting money into a stock that constantly did more harm than good, I would sell that stock.
I talk to people; I try and change their mind, try and look around and see a bunch of human beings, not men and women. To look around, and not see successful men and their wives, but successful people. I am not a feminist working hard to get political things for us, but working to change peoples mind. Not see women as weak. You say you never have to do that and you’re equal, but do you worry about what to wear, make sure you wear something manly so people take you seriously? Worry if something is too short or too low cut so guys won’t struggle with lust when they look at you? Make sure you wear that push up bra when you go on a date so the guy will “like you” more? That doesn’t sound equal to me, or sound like you don’t work. Do the men around you joke around and insult each other by names like “girl” “sissy” “pussy”? Cause heaven forbid they’re anything like us weak females. THAT and so much more is what I’m working for.
Changing people’s minds. So, all our commercials aren’t boobs selling things. Pleasing men sexually, but its okay because that’s what women are for.
I’m talking about in peoples mind. I’m talking about power, not literal strength. And that is all true, very good points.
Well, I guess I should be glad I’m not part of NOW or WAR, cause like you said, they’re the demon family, right? I would see them as radfems if feminists at all, but that’s a matter of opinion.
I don’t support the feminists you are talking about, I believe I have already stated that. I don’t support them at all. But me supporting them has nothing to do with who I AM. I still am a feminist, just not like them. I will always be a feminist.
Well I don't worry about what I wear, but logically I wouldn't wear something revealing to a profession environment and expect people to take me seriously. It's a professional environment and therefore I need to be professional (NOT manly, Just PROFESSIONAL)
Wearing something to short or to low is NOT professional, if you feel the need to show off your body then you are not wanting to be taken seriously you are wanting attention. Being a professional requires some decorum and dignity, having you cleavage out or wearing a miniskirt and trying to be treated like a professional adult is like a male wearing a button up shirt with the top 3 buttons open and his chest showing and trying to be a business man.
It has NOTHING to do with men "struggling with lust" after you.
Wearing something on a date to try and impress the opposite sex, is simple biology.
A guy has to impress with his words, accomplishments, and character because we are thought driven. Males are visually driven, SO yeah...
... you wear something like a push up bra to impress him. How is that not common knowledge?
Therefore it isn't "equal" like you want it to be, but it is equal in the fact that males and females are different mentally and to get to the same point we take different paths. You can not shame and reform biology.
Expecting men to rewire their natural biological programming because we don't understand it, is wrong. It would be the same as a male trying to force you to stop being emotional over simple things.
Yeah guys around me call others pussy, sissy, etc. They also call each other asshole, dick, prick, even nutsack... and many other genital related terms. The words prick and dick are usually used to mean bad or awful so why is it so important that the word pussy is used to mean weak? No one has an issue with the negative connotations towards male genitals but heaven forbid someone say a negative thing about us. The only thing that proves to anyone is girls are whiners...
& complainers over stupid crap which kind of give credence to the weaker gender idea. SO I don't bother myself with that foolishness. I have enough strength as a female to know that it isn't important, the same crap can be said about both sides for ANYTHING if you are looking for it.
Commercials use sexually driven images and ideas to sell to BOTH genders. It "isn't what women are for" it's just simply what you are looking for and wanting it to be about. If you look at commercials and pay attention to the "Men are always idiots" you will see that almost all commercials that have a male/female dynamic has the guy being a bumbling idiot and the female being the strong savior of the situation. Pushing the idea that all men are useless. But that's ok because OMG someone is selling shampoo and using a pretty female to do it! HOW DARE THEY!
It's a petty argument based simply on a point of view. It's all in what you look for.
So if you want to talk about "power" in peoples minds...
The constant shaming of men being men is something which causes a lot of issues in our society for men and women.
NOW and WAR are definitely demonic, but they are not radfems, they are simply fems. It's the same ideology.
Would you support the KKK even though they don't do much good, with the intent on "being a good one", you could be a KKK just "not like them"? I would never associate myself with a group that inherently does bad under the guise that at some point they may do 1 thing good. But that's why I gave up feminism (Yes I was one when I was around your age and was easily caught up in the lies and propaganda).
AMEN! Thank God that there are women like you who understand!!
There are extremists that ruin everything for everyone... this is why we can't have nice things! I'm an egalitarian, I do want equal rights for both men and women. I don't need to drag men down to achieve this.
Agreed those extremists are called "feminists."
MRA as well.
Yes, just as true.
They, however, don't have nearly as much money or political influence.
This pretty much sums up my opinion of feminism. Over-sensitive, entitled babies who want privilege and special treatment, not equality. They also believe themselves infallible and immune to criticism under pain of death threats (because feminists don't actually have the spine to murder someone) and that they are superior to all other human beings, even other women who aren't feminists. Garbage, absolute garbage.
I thought the #yesallwomen was a satire on feminism. I've seen some of the stuff posted on it and those people are just man haters. I think people just created that to mock the "feminazi's" because that many people couldn't possibly not see all the hypocrisies they post.
You'd be surprised some of the idiotically, hateful, bigoted, hypocrisies I have heard women say, especially in social justice groups.
There was a #yesallcats satire I recall. It was really funny.
The feminism satire is still going.
felinism not feminism.
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I'm gonna bookmark this take. I know of a handful of radical feminists...
Why don't you put in any of the good things feminism has brought? Or are you just like those blind feminists and you pretend that what you are doing here is somehow helping? Because it isn't, it's doing NOTHING but wind people up, but perhaps that was your intention.
OK so without listing the things from decades ago... list something positive feminism has done.
I believe I mentioned in the article that I have yet to be given anything that isn't either easily bullshit or from decades ago.
... I am sure what they do amongst themselves, is right and they believe they are doing good for their cause... just like feminism is.
But I would love to see what answers you have for the question on how you are actually helping, I'm curious to see what you have.
Sorry last comment was meant for comment below...
Two seconds of searching and I find these, if I had the time or inclination I'm sure I could find thousands more. To me, this is the positive effects of feminism. Of course you will say different. You will claim that these aren't real feminist achievements but you're wrong. To me this is what it's all about. It isn't about locking men up and burning underwear, it's about women getting on with stuff and not letting the fact she has tits stop her.
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"good deeds don't cancel out bad deeds, nor bad deeds the good deeds"
Stannis Baratheon
(possible he wasn't the original, irrelevant)
@Sjeggy I never said they would, she asked for examples.
you ask "why not put good deeds"
i ask you why would one do that?
there is no need for it is there? it has nothing to do with the negatives explained here
also, i didn't read the other comments, this is just a statement on your original posts
@Sjeggy if you read the rest of the response you wouldn't need to ask.
reading both your comment and reaction, i see no change
you give a link with iconic feminist moments
so?
you have now shown a link of feminist deeds
once more, what does that have to do with the deeds in the original post?
does this negate what she wrote and stated?
Give me one second here...
Malala Yousafzai gets a prize for pushing the female biased issues and completely ignoring the male issues which are EQUAL to that of women. But kudos she is helping non 1st world girls.
A girl throws a baseball and becomes a massive media darling simply because she is a girl who threw a baseball as part of a "girl power" campaign. Notice the lack of "boy positive" campaigns.
Emma Watson asked for men to stand behind bullshit "women's issues" like wage gap. So pushing a misinformation at a massive public forum. Not helping real causes at ALL! This one really pisses me off.
MATTRESS GIRL FALSELY ACCUSED A GUY OF RAPE!!! She is NOT in ANY WAY a good example or even a good person! She has now done PORN to push the attack on the innocent male even further. She should be someone you HATE not use as an example of "good feminist things!"
Jen Lawrence, didn't care for internet trolls. WOO powerful. She also said no one should ever...
... call a girl fat, but had no problem making fat jokes about zach galifianakis.
The women in congress is cool. It shows that more women are getting into politics. It has nothing to do with feminism. Feminism didn't cause this. It was merely that more females took interest in it. No one was stopping women from being in congress.
An idiot guy got attacked for having an opinion on tv. How is this feminism?
Frozen was popular... nothing to do with feminism.
Laverne Cox being accepted by society has nothing to do with feminism. She became popular because the tv show is popular.
Taylor swift saying she is a feminist doesn't do anything except add her to the roster. It isn't a major accomplishment for feminism.
#yesallwomen hashtag got used by 2 million feminist. Not an accomplishment. The same people also used the #killallwhitemen and #endfathersday tags.
OHHH FOUND ONE... Feminist got facebook to stop censoring breastfeeding. There ya go, a major accomplishment for feminism.
Beyonce danced in from of a massive feminist banner. WOOO that was a major accomplishment for feminism.
Ellen Page coming out of the closet was not a feminist accomplishment.
Lupita being accepted in hollywood is NOT a feminist accomplishment.
Robin Thicke's album not doing well was not a feminist accomplishment.
Also might I add that not a single feminist said boo when Nicki Minaj said "Justin Beiber, gonna hit um with the either. Buns out, weiner. Have to watch out for seliener". WHICH IS A DIRECT RAPE DISCRIPTIOIN!
Mindy Kaling being a successful actress is NOT a feminist accomplishment.
Oh Found another one... Feminist got a PUA kicked out of some countries. There ya go. Major win.
Shonda Rhimes taking down bigots online is NOT a feminist accomplishment.
OH found another one... Barbie has been made more body correct. This is big. Now if they want to get GI Joe, He Man, BRATS, Monster High, etc. Because those body images are fucked.
How is a period commercial a fiminist win?
Aziz Ansari being a male who stands behind feminism is not something feminism accomplished.
A transgender person shutting ignoramus Peirce Morgan up is not a feminist thing.
Jasmine Shea redecorating craft stores with "Pro Choice" is not an accomplishment.
Amy Poehler attacking women who don't agree with feminism is NOT an accomplishment. It's simply ignorant.
WOW should I go on?
The list you provided is simply feminism taking credit for things that they had no part in. Like religious people saying prayer is responsible for healing.
The few items which were caused by feminism, were petty.
Haha! You're funny...
Nice rebuttal opinion owner
@thatkaruguy the author is obviously very angry and resentful about things. There is no point in playing her argument game.
Nice avoidance. I believe that might be in the SJW checklist.
Trying to shame my character instead of actually supporting your statements or answering questions. Typical.
I am neither "very angry" or "resentful" simply because I point out the awful actions of a group claiming to be "for good".
You obviously see no point in playing the "argument game" because you actually have no argument.
You put forward nonsense like a proven rape accuser, as feminist wins or High profile Celebs pushing the same false crap globally. These are not feminist supportive things, they hurt your argument completely.
It shows you simply believe what you are told by the feminist propaganda army.
Christina Hoff Sommers would have been at least a good example but feminist hate her because she points out their lies, even though she actually claims to be a feminist.
The feminist propaganda army doesn't visit here, and I'm not a Feminist. Assume all you want about me.
Good things? Is this where you are going to take credit for things that feminists never did? I believe there was something about this in the take. Maybe you should read it.
@genuinlysensitive seems that it's fine to blame feminism for a load of shit it didn't cause though isn't it?
My point is not that feminism is awesome, my point is this shit doesn't help anyone. It's just a fucking pointless bitch.
(bitch referring to the act of 'bitching', not the take owner in case there is confusion)
GirlScout: NONE of what I posted up in my take was blaming feminism for shit they didn't do... ALL of the horrible things were definitively horrible feminist acts, the sources will show you that, if you look at them.
This kind of post isn't a "bitch" and it does help. It shows the actions of the group for what it really is. Bring a stop to it's bullshit will allow real issues to get help. Ignoring it and pretending the group is all sunshine and daisies does NOTHING to help anyone, and the actions of the group hurt women as well as men.
I don't pretend it's all sunshine and daisies but pretending it's a bad thing is just as bad.
And no, this hasn't helped anyone. Name one person it has helped. All you've done is have people agree with you, who already had that standpoint, or you've had people disagree and not listen to a word, so how has this helped anyone? All it's done is make you feel better for having said it. That was my main point, that this shit doesn't do anything except wind people up. Well done, you succeeded!
But it did cause it. So why wouldn't we blame it? What isn't helping is insisting that we should just "move on" and not talk about all the blatantly evil things this movement has done and continues to do. Odd how you aren't this passionate about saying nothing and "moving on" when there is a take about how great feminism is...
@genuinelysensitive And what caused feminism to emerge as a movement? Awful things. How far back to you want to go with this?
If you want to be part of a war that achieves fuck all then go for it.
With your mentality, pointing out the evil things that groups like the KKK do won't help stop them from doing those acts?
The only people this "shit" winds up is people who are triggered to shut it down or stifle it. Those people who act like 1 good deed amongst a sea of bad should completely overrule all those bad things. That would be like saying an abusive husband, who is an alcoholic, out of work, child molester should be left alone because "Hey, he one time helped that old lady across the street, He's a good man"
Feminism has no issue pushing massive propaganda and making infinite posts supporting their lies and yet when someone takes a stand and says wait a minute, you need to do some fact checking and maybe clean up your act before you witch hunt men for shit they didn't do. Well that just can not happen can it. How dare someone expect feminism to take responsibility for it's actions, I mean the definition is all they need.
NONE of that HELPS ANYONE! Trying to stop it does.
No, she's waking people up to feminism's bullshit so that we can discard that corrupt, racist, sexist, gender movement and move on to something that actually puts us on the path to equality.
@Kiran04 of course she is, I'm sure loads of people who were pro-feminism have now seen the errors of their ways and repented!
Awful things are no excuse for awful retaliations. Since slavery ended we did not simply enslave white people to "even things out" because slavery is wrong. Just as sexism is wrong no matyer who is subjected to it.
I am amazed at the crap that I am seeing here. Such as people ignoring what is right in front of them. Opinion owner said it took two seconds to find an article listing many important feminist accomplishments that were recent, and gave the link. Take owner came back by trying to make each accomplishment seem worthless. Malala Yousafzai was a paletinian girl that was shot and left for dead simply because her family believed in educating women. She fought for her life and came back to champion educating women. She received a Nobel Prize for her work. Take owner said she was ignoring male issues that were Equal to that of women. Males get educated there. That is not an issue and certainly is not why she was shot.
Guys have been recognized forever as being able to throw a ball, and people are always making jokes about “throwing like a girl”. Mo'ne Davis led her Little League team to the World Series and became a role model for girls everywhere that girls can do sports things that many said they could not. She won praise for that and Take owner made her efforts look bad because there were no “boy positive” efforts by her. Those are not needed! Boys are not being told they cannot do things. Girls are.
Emma Watson asked men to stand behind ‘bullshit “women’s issues” like wage gap.’ The wage gap is real and not bullshit. What is wrong with the Take owner?
And so on it goes, trying to belittle real issues that are important. Then finding ridiculous issues on the internet and calling them examples of feminism. What a load of smelly fertilizer!
A bunch of bad acts were collected and used to “prove” the whole feminist movement to be bad, and many of the positive feminist acts are belittled and twisted, and many others just ignored. This take is actually quite pathetic.
@Red_Arrow feminism is NOT egalitarianism. It's about women, not men. It's about the tiny day to day things that divide the genders as well as the big issues. It's about woman standing up for themselves. The take owner did exactly what I said she would when presented with what she requested. Predictable to the letter. I'm going to guess she's a middle class white girl.
Redarrow, THOSE accomplishments were not feminist accomplishments. There were simply accomplishments of women. So don't you dare try and tell me that it was because of feminism these things happened.
ALSO wage gap is definitely NOT real, it has been shown endless times over.
A feminist accomplishment would be a feminist group fighting to get access for girls to something they do not get, and then getting it. NOT anything like I am a girl and I happened to accomplish something so feminism steps in and says... We would like to be responsible because without us, you wouldn't have done that. IF I ACCOMPLISH something MYSELF... I WILL BE DAMNED if an ideology will step in and try and take credit for it.
The list of stuff I posted was not cherry picked, it is the common everyday actions.
Also I noticed you didn't mention anything about Mattress girl (who was one of the rebuttal "feminist wins") and accused an innocent male of rape and had his life ruined! But she gets a rally of support.
Opinion owner. I am sorry if pointing out the obvious to you is a predictable action. NONE of those items were feminist wins and that is an obvious truth, so yeah I am sure it would have been easy for you to predict I would tell you the sky is blue because the sky is actually blue and no amount of ignoring that data, pretending it's a lie, or trying to shame it away will make it any other color than blue.
You obviously fail to grasp how feminism actually affects people in a positive way. You're just too prejudice to acknowledge any positives from the movement.
I don't fail to grasp it. I simply just do not agree with associating credit where it shouldn't be. It's the same mentality as a religious person equating prayer with someone getting better even when it has ZERO to do with it. It isn't prejudice to use logic and reasoning... prejudice is ignoring the mountains of PROOF that the group does constant harm and believing that it "does good" simply because you are told so, and without viable proof.
I am completely excepting of proof if I am ever presented with it, but I will not accept "proof" as something where a girl works hard to accomplish something herself and feminism steps in and says "see how much we have done".
The basis of this post was feminism is NOT for equality, and I have shown that. If you want to say they are... show me where they fight for mens issues, or fight to have women only benefits removed because it's not equal. You can NOT claim equality if you do not work for equality.
Men should pee sitting up like women.
The sitting urinals for women should be installed even in men's WCs?
I'm kind of glad a woman wrote this. It illustrates that certainly not all women agree with the way feminism has extremified over the years. Looks like you got your head screwed on right. Thank you. :)
statistically 4 out of 5 women are against radical feminism. Problem is, regular feminism is slowly getting corrupted by radical feminism...