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I'm sorry but this is girlsaskguys. com not letsdebatefeminism. com. Some people think feminism about true equality. Others don't. Labels don't matter. What matters is what you believe in at the end of the day.
On that same note, I don't demonize/idolize feminism. It has sparked a lot of controversy in gender debates, but without controversy there can be no social progress. I think it has proven to have benefits, and also drawbacks. It just depends on how you view the movement. I'd also like to point out the fact that your article is a prime example of the availability heuristic aka you use whichever examples come immediately to mind that have the most impact to generalize a situation (like people who are afraid of flights will generally think plane accidents occur more frequently because of this). I could easily make this article about any group of people: whites, blacks, gays, straights, Muslims, atheists, Christians, men, women, etc. Citing to me a bunch of articles of people who have psychotic personalities that cannot be fixed regardless of their stance on feminism is not proof to me that the majority of feminists are like that, as you stated in your take.
I hope you post this same comment on all the "Feminism is wonderful" posts on here (which there are many).
Because after all, this is "girlsaskguys" not "feminismisgreat"
I'm not a feminist. I was simply stating the other side of the spectrum. Great job on your analytical skills.
Wow speaking of analytical skills...
You may not have noticed that all i was actually doing was "stating the other side of the spectrum"
You on the other hand were stating vague and attempted neutral statements which masked an obvious bias.
and note that my examples were not simply cherry picked to strengthen my claim. These are EXCESSIVELY available, unlike opposing items of which I have seen few. The sad truth you are trying to marginalize is that feminism today does an excessive amount of negative and very little positive. If you don't believe me, find something positive feminism has ACTUALLY done in the last 20 years. (Note: not take credit for but actually did!)
Yes, I wonder how many mytakes supporting feminism you mentioned that on...
Sorry, but we talk about what we want here.
Awww you care enough about me to look on my profile ;)
@naturally Who looked at your profile or why do you think they did... I have seen no reference to your profile.
Clap, clap, clap... thank you whoever posted this.
I was honestly expecting more downvotes.
If you need one let me know! I give them out for free.
You sire are too kind.
Sir*
Ya, we get it: nobody likes a feminazi. But saying that all (or even most) feminists are feminazis, is the same thing as saying that all (or even most) men are monstrous scumbags. You're slanting it the same way "they" are...
the problem is that the rotten apples spoil the barrel. Also, as she said, why doesn't real feminists kick them out and work against radical feminism? Lack of action can be seen as passive agrement, you know.
Also, radical feminism is the part of feminism that ha caused most change in the west during the last 5 years, not regular feminism. Hence why you SHOULD take feminazis seriously.
"They" is the single most toxic word in the world of social justice.
As long as there is a "They", there is a "War on ____", and it pits "us" vs "them."
I have never in any movement seen the use of "They" result in any level-headed perspectives.
Does the "radical minority represents the entire group" thing apply to religeon and political parties?
And I actually asked that question a couple days ago, about kicking out radicals, though in a round-about way, and the most compelling answer I got was that you can't police thoughts and beliefs. I mean what would they do? Punish people who called themselves feminists but didn't adhere to the group's dictates? How?
@dartmaul15
in this case, you can. You can kick out radical fminists from the definition of feminism, because a group IS free to police its own members to some extent. And if you don't like the way a group is going, you're free to leave.
Would it help? yes. Because it will make people see them for what they are, instead of the label they hide behind.
I believe if you read the article, I make a comment where I say I have yet to find a single reference to feminism doing something towards equality. Unlike with men of which I can show you mountains of positive actions.
Also feminism is an ideology, which is chosen by people who selectively decide to be a part of.
Being a male is a sex and is not chosen. So stating that an ideology which has an ever growing list of negative actions towards half of the population and very few if any positive actions, if completely different than stating that half the population is evil because of the horrible actions of a few, amongst the endless list of positive.
Also the "radical minority" is actually the majority. They (like I have said endless times) are the massive organizations of feminism like NOW and WAR. They ARE the majority, they are the ones who are also doing these horrible actions.
Op owner: You say "you can't police thoughts and beliefs?"
Have you seen the level of policing the feminist groups do on male speech and actions.
You can indeed police thoughts and beliefs, they are the proof of it. If you don't believe that, try telling a feminist why their made up statistics are wrong. YOU will very quickly see how your words and beliefs are policed.
Ya got a little something on the corner of your mouths, th think it might be froth or foam or something 😊 ummm... have fun with all this... I'm going to go live a life or something...
Agree 100% Feminists are just sexist bastards most of the time.
Wow. You did an awesome job. I already knew a lot of feminists were full of misandry, but the links you showed... wow.
Why can't human politics revolve less around cherry picking? I just don't get it.
Sooomebody's got some internalized misogyny that needs sorting out. I sincerely hope you come to your senses.
I've been worn down so many times by ignorance. This post here just broke me. I'm done correcting ignorance as of now. I have to recharge...
I'm not @Drednaught.
@cipher42 You've been so thoroughly brainwashed by this dumb ideology that no matter what anyone says to you, you won't hear them. You'll always have blanket excuses that allow you not to listen: just internalized mysogyny, just patriarchy, just victim shaming, just microaggrressions, just unchecked priviledge, just *inser feminist phrase here*... You're not reasoning, you're dismissing to protect your feelings.
Blanket bullshit like this will keep you from reasoning trough your ideology and you'll die a lonely, miserable old shrew because you never questioned what was served to you by your parents/teachers/media...
Ok one told of feminist today is enough. I'm such a hardworking person. xD
Ohhh hahah I knew I would get at least one boiler plate "internalize misogyny" comment. haha BINGO! I got SJW BINGO... hahaha This is so beyond expected that it's borderline cliche
How is it that you can ignore every single FACT and ACTION listed and just brush it off with a "well that girl is brainwashed"
You are part of the problem.
@inamorata: I have done my research. You quite clearly have not. Go look up some scientific studies on gender inequality. Like the ones I referenced in my previous comment. Also, I'd like to note that your entire argument appears to consist of "you're wrong because you are. Haha you'll be lonely forever." That's a bit shit if you ask me, and not really the most convincing. But then, I never intended to initiate an actual debate, as I said above.
A "study" can be used to prove anything. I can find a study that says cigarettes are good for you.
A feminist study is the epitome of intellectually dishonest bullshit. Just a study is not enough, you have to look into how it's conducted and how it stands up against opposing argument. Hint: it almost never does.
To be able to hold an opinion you have to be able to argue on the side of your opponent.
But you can't. You can't reasonably argue why I would be right, because if you could you'd never say "studies" as if it ends the conversation. Which means you're not opinionated, but brainwashed.
But hey, it's your life. I won't be the one regretting it on my death bed.
Ahaha okay then. And you have hereby proven yourself to be utterly unworth giving a shit about. Anyone who ignores the actual evidence and just uses convenient excuses to write it off without actually investigating any of it is pretty obviously the kind of idiot who is best simply ignored and not given any sort of actual recognition of legitimacy. Bye now!
I absolutely can argue your side. But as I said, I'm not willing to give you the sort of legitimacy that would be provided if I were to expend actual effort on you. I've pointed you toward sources to educate yourself, and now it's up to you to do so.
@cipher42 You actually used "Educating you is not my job" that is a direct pull right off the SJW checklist.
The stats and studies you keep referring to in most of the cases were done by a biased corrupt feminist group. These are the studies that are most often proven to be bullshit when held up against reality.
@inamorata is right, you are not educated on the subject you are simply brainwashed. The fact that you can ignore all the items above without considering them, and still state that feminism is beneficial overall is ludicrous. If that were the case, you should without even a second of wait, be able to list off dozens of positive things feminism has done recently. (RECENTLY- not just regurgitate decade old items) but I guarantee you that you can not do that. The one person that tried gave a list of feminist taking credit for things they had no part of and maybe 2 items which were of petty significance.
The fact that you believe I did less research than you is ridiculous.
You have no actual proof of what you're saying. You say these things, and you claim they're true, but without evidence. You're an idiot. You're a child who wants to believe they're right, despite the fact that you clearly have no idea what you're talking about and are utterly incapable of providing an argument other than "you're wrong cause you are."
I have no actual proof... WOW you must have been on the OJ defense team. EVERYTHING I POSTED HAS SOURCES LINKED! sheesh and you call me an idiot. (A pathetic ad homienm by the way)
As well as the child reference. WOW you have zero left to go on. You have reduced your entire argument to insults and cheap jabs.
I am sure you will find ways to ignore all this but... here is a little more 411.
5 Big feminist lies: time.com/.../
The 1 in 4 rape stat came from Mary Koss in 1985 for Ms. Magazine. She included regret, drunken sex, feeling obligated, and other bullshit as rape. Only 27% of her study actually claimed to be raped themselves.
Wage gap www.huffingtonpost.com/.../wage-gap_b_2073804.html
Women like you are the problem with feminism. You refuse to look at evidence and in return attack and shame anyone who points it out.
Take owner, don't feel bad, that is the feminist's new go to line. When confronted with facts and evidence they simply claim YOU are ignorant, and they "refuse" to correct you. The truth is they are beaten and they know it. The same thing happened to me when I tried to explain advertising to one of them. Anything other than agreement, and mindless capitulation, and they simply run away.
*standing ovation* !!!
U r beautiful! Thanks 4 this
Wow. I've thought this for a while, not I'm sure feminists are really fair. I agree with you.
Great article.
But, unfortunately, nothing is going to change until men stop being so desperate.
desperate how?
Yes please explain how men are desperate and how that has any bearing on any of what I stated above?
He might be trolling question asker
Lol this is the biggest pile of shit I've read. They're modern feminists, or so-called "feminazis". Don't generalise. Real feminists don't do this shit.
There are no real feminist just humanists.
Both sexs have issues, feminists only look for womens problems... we need humanism.
Feminism looks at both sexes (and others such as genderfluid and trans) and tries to find equality. But it's pretty hard when all you hear is "NOT ALL MEN!!!" and "IM NOT A RAPIST". We know that. We know it's not all men and you're not all rapists but there's enough men who are wrong to help us see there's a problem. If men helped us our job would be a lot easier.
osting links to sources and showing valid proof of the actual actions of a group... including it's biggest franchises like NOW and WAR is the biggest pile of shit you have ever read and is laughable... really!
I would love to call this a generalization but sadly my dear as you may have ignored, the MANY links above show the COMMON actions of the group, it isn't a generalization based on a rouge few, it's the bigger percentage, the ones who invoke change and create laws often supporting the suppression of the other half of the population. The "it's just the radfems" or "Not all feminist" is a scapegoat to pass blame. The ideological foundation is the same, the SJ classes are all the same, the idols of feminism are all the same... therefore the collective is all the same. You essentially are saying there could be "good" white supremacists because ALL the PROOF of the bad actions are "just the rouge few". A hate group is a hate group and the actions prove that, NOT it's definition.
How can you stand there with the stance of "Not all feminist" but then try and shut down the "Not all men" with garbage like "Yes not all men but Enough men"... lets put that into perspective to show it's obvious bigotry... "Not all blacks... just enough of them to show us that there is a problem"
"Not all jews... just enough of them to show that there is a problem"
What you are spewing is hateful bigotry towards approx 4.5 BILLION people based on the actions of a fraction.
You have eventually proven that it isn't just "radfems" because YOU yourself have lived up to the hate.
Not all feminists just enough for butthurt people to complain. Better?
Butthurt... Nice rape analogy. Thanks for supporting rape culture, I always thought rape jokes weren't funny. Is that now an ok thing?
Trying to shame people who criticize actual flaws in an ideology which causes more issues in society than they have helped.
Claiming only "butthurt" people are against feminism simply assumes that ALL the INFORMATION ABOVE is not real... it's just made up because I'm "butthurt".
AHHH NO. You are part of the problem.
Please do not respond unless you have something valid to offer. I am accepting of logical and factual debate, but will block petty childishness and personal attacks.
You don't have to agree but please be respectful and mature about it.
Lmao how tf is that rape culture im dying of laughter😂😂😂
Exactly... You tell me. This is exactly what feminist regurgitate every time someone who isn't part of their supremacist movement says butt hurt. And you are right, it is hilarious and stupid, just like most of the whining complains in feminism, but you only seem to see it when it isn't said under the doctrine of your group.
Or rather you only see it as a serious thing when confronted
Definitely not the case. I was simply using your own ideology against you.
I am not too big on feminists although I do believe in equal rights
I do also agree with your opinion on women who use their gender negatively such as false rape claims
Nice post, I agre
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You are right, that is what a feminist looks like.
Avoiding facts and logic with petty childish ignorance, refusing to admit to anything that isn't part of their lie.
Your lack of actual input and petty attempt at trying to disregard information because it doesn't suit you has gotten you blocked. I would have accepted actual information but I assume you know you have nothing to offer which wouldn't be easily shutdown and this is why you reduced your entire post to a cut and paste gif.
Nicely said!
I checked out
womenagainstfeminism. tumblr. com
It was very interesting. Thanks for the link.
and all this from a woman :D this is amazing.
Nice take. True post.
I salute you.
In your opinion, what's the solution?
Not sure if typing @Asker or @Taker or @Anonymous more likely guarantees your reply. I guess I'll just wait and see.
"As a female, I feel the need for more girls to stand up against feminism without fear of being doxxed, attacked, or threatened. I should not have to go anon simply to make a point without fear. But as history shows, if you let them know who you are, they will do what they can to try and bully you into silence."
You have to admit that's kind of a funny thing to say. People on the opposite side of your agenda say the same thing. I wonder if people on opposites sides of every agenda would say that.
Have people on this site actually been doxxed, attacked, or threatened? Attacked/threatened is kind of vague. I'm sure there are people saying you are attacking or threatening them. So I would like examples of something harsher than a few bad words.
"People on the opposite side of your agenda say the same thing." But they don't have piles of undeniable news and video proof of it. The times they do claim to have been harassed or "attacked" it has either been shows as fabricated bullshit or has not been done by a group but by some internet trolling shit kids who just like to start fires.
I have been on this site actually doxxed and threatened, when I used to have a profile image, it was reverse google searched and I was sent a message on my facebook pointing it out. "Letting me know they knew who I was"
Claiming some bad words is vague, is a scapegoat to ignore bully like behavior. Being threatened can be as simple and underhanded as sending an email to someone outside of gag, showing you found them.
You don't seen to understand the concept of how bullies work.
The solution for fixing feminism would be to do what I have done and bring the actions of the group to the forefront and expect them to take responsibility for it.
Where is your proof you were doxxed or any others on your side?
"done by... some internet trolling shit kids who just like to start fires." "a scapegoat to ignore bully like behavior". It kind of sounds like you are ignoring bully like behavior to me.
Why is being threatened by a group more bully like behavior than a non group. The non group could just as easily become one. If a non group "sends an email to someone outside of gag, showing you found them" and so does a group, aren't they both just as threatening. Can't they both do just as much damage to a person. Anyone can pretend to be part of some evil organization.
Can you show the proof that they are "internet trolling shit kids".
By a few bad words I was referencing someone commenting with insults. Someone can do that to anonymous people as well. It requires no hacking skills, just typing ones.
If a person's email isn't known to certain people and someone gets it and uses it, isn't that part of the definition of doxxing? What made you think I wouldn't call that bad? That's using private information to one's advantage, of course that is bad. By the way, I'm sure there's lots of people that could still find out who you are even though you are anonymous.
Can you show proof that your methods of a solution are showing progress? Is the world less gender driven; less labeling people insults specifically because of their gender? Are laws being made to make genders more equal in society? I would like to see what you, or your supporters, have done for the better.
Also, what is your goal or mission? Please get as specific as possible.
You are doing what they call straw manning the argument. It is common with people who support feminism.
Your mentality is the same as saying a female who claims she was raped should have to provide proof before her claim should be even looked at. Which I dare you to say to the group you are trying to defend.
If you look at any of the feminist supported comments below you can easily see where the personal attacks come from.
Your mentality that finally standing up to a bully should show instant change is marginalizing the point.
The fact that people are more increasingly standing up against the lies and the false claims, refusing to blindly accept what they are told when facts and actions show otherwise. ALL these things will slowly make change. The same way original feminism made change decades ago.
What you seem to be saying is that groups that have power and use it for bad, should be simply left to do that because standing up against it won't instantly change them. I really don't want to live in a world where we simply let bad people get away with stuff because the other option is going to take time.
I never took a position in anything I have written here yet. Can you show what I have said that made you feel I have?
Anyone has the right to claim anything, and every claim should be looked into. Then evidence comes involved. Most, if not all, claims of guilt should be considered a lie, until there is something to support the claim. Isn't that how innocent until proven guilty works? That's how everything should work. Can you explain how you inferred my mentality for your rape example? Assuming I'm understanding it correctly.
You claimed there was a difference in how you and those you support are attacked as opposed to those in your opposition. I simply wanted examples so I could see the differences. Am I just supposed to believe your opinion is correct? Don't you want me to evaluate the evidence for myself and see my interpretation?
What argument am I straw manning? Please specifics, because I do not understand what argument I am doing this to.
Can you quote some of the feminist supported comments, so I can more easily know what is meant by personal attacks? Once again I'm just trying to figure out how you interpret things.
I'm saying writing comments on a website doesn't do a whole lot in creating change. Writing comments on a website doesn't make me feel someone is standing up to lies and false claims. Words can only take change so far, there is a point where actions need to happen. By actions I do not mean violence, just to clarify. I'm sorry if you inferred I was saying "bad" people should be left alone. I feel we have different interpretations of how to partake in progress. Can you show me where you, your supporters, or those in the comments are taking any actions?
By the way, I am aware my word usage seems to confuse people. Everyone always seems to think I am taking a side when I type. I'm just trying to get a better understanding of all sides. If you have any tips on how to show a neutral position, please inform me. I understand it's off topic, so you can ignore this paragraph if you want.
The rape example is simple... if a male is accused of rape, he is guilty until proven guilty. It is rare for him to get a proper investigation because doing so is considered "victim blaming" to the female who is making the claim. SO MANY innocent males are sent to jail for "rape" when they are innocent.
Posting stuff like this take opens conversation and makes more people aware of the misinformation and actions of the group. You also assume I don't do things outside of posting thing online... I work very hard in my community to stop sexism on both sides.
The comments in this particular post have been nothing but petty school yard nonsense like
"You're an idiot. You're a child who wants to believe they're right"
But going back to the original comment about feminist being "threatened"... I can not in any way prove to a skeptic how one sided the actions of feminism is, when there is video of their actions but none of the other.
Your "rape example is simple" paragraph doesn't address my question. My question was in reference to this, "Your mentality is the same as saying a female who claims she was raped should have to provide proof before her claim should be even looked at. Which I dare you to say to the group you are trying to defend." What did I say to make you think I had that mentality? If something I said made it seem like that, I would like to know.
But to address the topic of how people are sentenced as guilty or innocent in rape cases; do you have to police reports, trials, or whatever other reports there are of those cases? I would like to look at the data. Or do you know a place I could get them?
Posting stuff does open up conversation. I can see some value in just posting one side of the argument as well. But I find those that are capable of posting all sides of an argument, are better suited to create progress. Not that I am saying you're incapable of it.
I never assumed you don't do anything outside of posting online. I'm want to know what you do outside of posting. I'm curious how you help both sexes. Show me more things you've written and done. Show me what your supporters have written and done. How am I supposed to help if the people that want me to help, don't show me how to help? Not that I'm saying I will do anything, but I'd like to be aware.
We can just drop the insult topic. It doesn't seem to be going anywhere, or even much of an interest to either of us. Unless you want to discuss it more? But I would like a more defined topic, if you choose to continue.
I find if a person cannot prove their point, to at least a minor degree, to a skeptic; then my assumption is, that person's argument is not very sound. Or if it is sound, they need to reword or reorganize how they present it. But that's just how I see things. It is not always the receiver of a message that is at fault.
Do you have a list of all/many people that declare themselves feminists? Do you have a list of all/many groups that declare themselves feminists? Do you have a list of all/many acts/writings of those who declare themselves feminists? Or at least point me in some direction to find the data. I would like to see how large feminism actually is and how much they actually try to create change. And what actually changes with their actions/words.
Not sure if you're working on a reply or not, but I'll add another question. Where can I find the information on them killing her dog?
How can I possibly list every feminist. It is a massive ideological group and has endless numbers. Google can easily give you lists of them. It will also give you endless lists of things they actually do, Like the lists above, and show you all the "claims" they make about things they do which they actually don't... I would love for you to find something "their actions actually change".
Erin Pizzey can be found at https://erinpizzey.com/ she welcomes questions and emails.
Here is a National post article mentioning the death threats and dog murder.
www.nationalpost.com/.../story.html
I think I need to figure out what is meant when you say feminist. Are you talking about just people that get together to plan agenda like actions? Or just any person that likes to label themselves feminists?
What their actions actually change is the point I'm trying to get across. If they aren't creating change, what is there to worry about? They're allowed to voice their opinion just like everyone else right. Name some people outside out their group that takes them serious. Are any laws getting changed because of their protests and violent acts? Were the police called and were they arrested when they do acts that harass others? I understand they are acting in a harassing way, but what are the results of their actions?
I understand it's possible that women don't get as harsh of punishments as men for illegal acts. Or whatever other things that are more lenient for women. My question is, what are you doing to change that? Or can you link me to people that are trying to change that? Not just their biography, but their writings or actions that caused change.
Was the point of this take just to devalue the label feminist? Or was it to promote progress in gender issues? Or what was the point? What do you want people to get out of it after they read it?
I was under the impression that it was your job to educate me. I have to admit I'm not feeling very educated. If you plan on replying to only one topic of mine please let it be this. What else have you written and done to promote progress in gender issues? Be as specific as possible.
I can't tell if you are trolling or interrogating for actual information.
When I talk about feminism... I am talking about the ideology as a whole and anyone who chooses to become part of that flawed ideology.
Why should we worry about them... well the list of horrible acts above should be enough reason shouldn't it.
"Voicing their opinions" isn't the problem, they are free to do that (which is not a something they extend to those who disagree with them)... the issue is that they get away with hate crimes and things passed thought bullying that negatively affect half of the population (The part in which you are assumable part of and should be concerned about).
Who "outside the group" take them seriously... WELL I can only assume since they get these funding and other support that they obviously get support outside of their group.
What kind of laws get changed/made by thier antics...
Gloria Steinem (One of feminisms biggest... names) faught against the equal testing of women to be firefighters. She is the reason that women can no become firefighters (and assumably police) by doing LESS than men.
When asked about what would occur if her new band of weak firefighters ever needed to carry someone out of a burning building, she said it would be better for firefighters to just drag people out of a fire on the ground because “there’s less smoke down there.” Which is interesting since feminist will attack you if you say women are weaker than men, except when they need to use that fact to push something like this.
We can than feminism for "Affirmitive action" which often puts less qualified workers in positions over those deserving of the job.
Feminism has made it so men can be arrested for sitting comfortablly on the bus in Major metro cities.
Feminist fought and got "equal pay" for women in tennis yet forgot the detail about women only play 3 set and men playing 5... therefore getting MORE money for LESS work.
These are all easily obtainable peices of information.
Were police called? Maybe in somecases. Not in others. If you look at the hate crimes at the University of Toronto... COPS were actually some of the ones being yelled at. Often the females involved get misdemenor punishments and therefore have zero to no reason NOT to do what they want.
In regards to what am I doing to change it... I do many things. As a female I am able to get past many of the shaming tactics used to stifle men fighting against this group. I am part of many organizations where I live. I am currently working towards getting men equal rights in the courts as part of the Canadian Association for Equality.
https://www.facebook.com/equalitycanada
The point of this take was to point out the opposing side of EVERY feminist propaganda post I have seen on here.
The devaluing of the label is done through it's own actions. Trying to negate that by saying the person who points it out is wrong for doing so, is well a pathetic shaming tactic.
What did I want people to get out of it... DISCUSSION. Which you may notice has happened in spades. Discussion will bring for information, shut down falsities, and educate.
The impression you have that it was my job to educate simply because I posted a take is simply your misunderstanding. I have put forth quite a substancial amount of actual viable sources and if you choose not to view them or choose to ignore them, that is unfortunitly all I can do for you. If you do not feel very educated after the ample amount of information presented to you, then you are not taking the information you are given. It's not like I am making false claims or simple circular comments without sources.
You have been given ample information.
I am selectively ending this conversation with this comment because I do not feel you are not honestly trying to gain headway your comments seem snide and condescending.
I don't understand why everyone thinks I'm trolling. Why would I write this much if I didn't want my questions answered. But many people, in both religion and gender topics, feel I am trolling. So if there is anything you can inform me with how I word things so that people don't think that, I am open.
Feminism defined in the Merriam-Webster dictionary states - the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities; organized activity in support of women's rights and interests.
If you found a different definition let me know.
Those definitions have no affiliation with violence or harassment. Based off the 1st definition I would be considered a feminist and most likely you would be too. I'm sure most people in the world would be. I'm not part of the 2nd definition because I am not part of organized activity. You may be part of organized activity, but maybe not specifically for one gender. So neither of us are part of the 2nd definition.
Other characteristics can be added to the definition that tend to skew the beliefs in a certain direction. Which could be what we are discussing.
I just want to clarify because some people just associate feminism with the first definition. If it is just a belief for them, then they shouldn't be part of the discussion. Or am I wrong to assume that?
We worry about the people in the links because they are breaking the law, not because they are feminists. It doesn't matter what organization, or lack of, they are part of; if a person breaks the law, they should be isolated from society. I understand the laws at times can have favoritism. And that favoritism it what needs terminated.
Do you know how I can find out who funds these groups that harass and perform violent acts?
Gloria Steinem Topic. Are carrying and dragging both viable methods to do the job? Has there been research to show dragging as less viable? If they are both viable, and a male or female can perform one of them, then I don't understand the problem. If dragging is not viable, then I understand the problem and it should be fixed.
I would like some links that under qualified people are getting jobs in correlation to affirmative action. You said less qualified, but less qualified doesn't really mean they deserve the job less. As long as a person is qualified they deserve to have a job, even if someone has better qualifications. Sometimes people hire based on personality. But under qualified people shouldn't be getting the job, unless the employer sees potential and doesn't mind performing extra training.
You showed a picture of the men sitting on bus comfortably, but I didn't see a link for it. Can you show me where men are getting arrested for it?
Can you show me the pay stuff on the tennis topic?
I'm assuming you have data on these topics since you know about them. I'm assuming it wouldn't be hard for you to paste them here, as opposed to me searching for hours. Truthfully I don't understand why you would make a statement about some of those things without giving a link or source.
If people don't call the police when they are getting harassed, isn't that kind of their own fault. Why would any person accept that kind of harassment?
How do you know what the punishments are of the people involved in those examples?
I don't really follow Facebook all that much, but I'll assume the Canadian Association for Equality is doing good things. Do you have any other organizations you are part of or know of any in the USA?
I'm not sure if you are saying I am using shaming tactics or not. If you are, can you point them out to me?
Discussions happen on all side of the topic. I'm curious to know if anyone has changed views on any presentation of the topic. Or is it just people staying static on their views? I'm not saying you need to answer this question. It's just my thoughts on the discussions.
The reason I'm assuming it is your job to educate me is because you mentioned the opposing side states it is not their job. I guess I don't understand what that means.
I understand you gave information to promote your views. I kind of want information more specifically about my questions. I understand that these groups are doing bad things. I understand that women get more lenient punishment. I understand that people forget that men need help as well.
I just want more raw data and more correlation between topics. I want to go deeper into the data. I never once said you made false claims. Nothing I have said needed sources because I am making no claims. I'm simply just asking for as much research you are willing to share with me. I'm assuming you've spent many hours researching the topic.
If you want you can message me whenever you find new information. Or someway you can easily inform me of new information. If you are willing to do the research, I don't see the problem of me asking for you to share what you found. I'm assuming you have more than what you showed.
I understand you don't want to give your identity, but there should be someway for you to share anything new you find.
I'm sorry if you feel I'm being condescending. That was never my intent. The only joke I made was about your reason to go anonymous. Simply because all sides of the topic feel afraid. I'm sorry if it was rude. I'm sorry I didn't apologize for it earlier. It was the only thing I said that was not serious.
It had a mask?
Well it seems for a large part of the population who seem to think they are a good group, yes.
You get idiots like Patricia Arquete pushing bullshit wage gap at award acceptance speeches and getting crowds of lemmings standing up and applauding her instead of everyone looking at her the way they should have, which would be with absolute confusion and disbelief that an adult with access to endless information would still belief such nonsense.