The Red Pill: Or, The Pissed Off Men's Rights Group That "Knows What Women Want"

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The Red Pill: Or, The Pissed Off Men's Rights Group That "Knows What Women Want"

This is the very first sentence on a list of the Red Pill's "fundamental beliefs" taken off one of their very active websites:

"Feminists claim they want equality but what they really want is power without responsibility."

Weird ... a brief summary for a movement supposedly centered on the discussion of sexual strategy in a “culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men” that doesn't make a single mentioned about men?

"Women are irrational and inconsistent."

...A logical woman is easily baited into becoming emotional; women are easy to compromise."

"Women are Machiavellian in nature, which means they are comparatively proficient at being manipulative."

"Women love pragmatically and have no capacity to love unconditionally for romantic partners."

…Extremely contradictory and sexist as fuck, but more importantly, none of those principles have anything to do with men. Not a single mention on the joys of fatherhood, ways to maximize being a ‘better person’ to the best of your ability, or anything of that sort.

The Red Pill: Or, The Pissed Off Men's Rights Group That "Knows What Women Want"

Right from the get-go, it’s just a bunch of variations of "fuck dem bitches" and "right, right? amiright!?" To me, it doesn’t sound like an ideology. More like a group of people feeling bad for themselves and supporting others with similar mindsets in directing their bitterness/hatred anywhere but on themselves.

Which is exactly how a hate group works.

The scene from the Matrix, which is commonly associated with one being given the choice between the red-pill and the blue-pill, was originally intended to be a metaphor for the Buddha receiving enlightenment. No longer being bound by worldly concerns, of which the interpretation for red-pill-hopefuls obviously means “the recognition and awareness of the way that feminism, feminists and their white-knight enablers affect society.”

What a neat rhetorical trick, eh? Claiming the identity of not only a persecuted minority (cisgendered, hetero male) while also proclaiming themselves inherently superior to the “blue-pillers” (those loving in the illusion of blissful ignorance), white knights and “betas” because they see the truth- that they’re supposed to treat women like shit and will reach happiness only through this.

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You can’t blame these men for feeling marginalized, seeing as how fear and defensiveness are both part of the typical reaction of someone who has very little empathetic ability or intelligence/social competence. They don’t know what being marginalized (ie. being the sex associated with leadership and knowing what's going on by default, to name a few) actually feels like, so the first few times that they’re faced with the realization of how getting what they want out of life may sometimes be difficult, they devise an oppressive enemy. Feminism. The enemy that’s that’s holding them back and forcing them to rally the troops because there’s always more power in numbers.

Without ever stopping to consider that maybe its they who need to change.

So why does TRP work so well for some?

Because it's a placebo. It manages to hammer the idea of how having no respect for women is the ultimate remedy into the heads of those who have experienced the brutality of romantic rejection (…which 99% of people around the world have, but I digress) with brutal efficiency. All of these disturbingly popular and active forums are designed to trick you into thinking that misogyny is the rational outlook.

Why?

So that you’ll no longer feel intimidated by women. Which is a quick and easy thing to do by convincing yourself that women are no better than filth on your shoes and their opinion has zero significance anyway.

The Red Pill: Or, The Pissed Off Men's Rights Group That "Knows What Women Want"

TRP is essentially nothing more than a trick. A trick that, for a lot of men, apparently works, though like with most ideologies, comes with the unfortunate baggage of leaving the affected red-piller with a warped view of the real-world.

In the end- sure, it might get you laid. At the cost of making you meaner, uglier, and much more stupid.

Women should be viewed not as individuals but as naive, simple-minded creatures who inconveniently just happen to be holding the one thing they need them for- sex- at arm’s length.

A favourite pastime of red-pillers is to scheme on how to raise their sexual market value, seemingly so that, if they succeed, they’ll be able to laugh at the ill-fated women who may use sex for empowerment, but actually just stumble into the trap they set.

Here are some of the more obvious inconsistencies in true ‘red-pill logic. A brief look at a red-pillers train of thought:

- Woman can and do control men through being the ‘gatekeepers to sex’

-Red-pillers dream of wanting to fuck the hottest women, yet these women are also the ones who are ‘complete sluts’ with zero self-respect, or passengers on the cock carousel.

-Decry women for “keeping men on the hook” while at the same time insisting that only betas settle down and alphas have harems with multiple women at their calling.

-Women are manipulative and Machiavellian (ironically enough, meaning that you believe in the employment of cunning and duplicity in general conduct), forever plotting to fuck alphas and use betas but are also incapable of logic or rational thinking and instead rely on the “rationalization hamster” in order to settle cognitive dissonance.

-They want to fuck hot women and then turn around and shame the same women for fucking them. Women manipulate men, but men should apply dread game to get laid.

…what?

The Red Pill: Or, The Pissed Off Men's Rights Group That "Knows What Women Want"

Yeah. Exactly. I’m just as confused by that logic, or lack-thereof. It sounds a lot more like a bad case of word-salad than something that resembles any reasonable train of thought.

In summary- The Red Pill is basically a bunch of men huddling together and complaining about how women are by nature incompetent and should not be trusted with any responsibility or authority.

The Red Pill: Or, The Pissed Off Men's Rights Group That "Knows What Women Want"

The Red Pill: Or, The Pissed Off Men's Rights Group That "Knows What Women Want"
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  • renogaza
    i think you confused feminism for feminazism.. because from what i read in your take it sounded a lot like feminazism :\

    but then again, if you read the history of feminism from the last 100 years it looks an aweful lot like it was feminazism right from the start, it was never about equality but about domination..

    which is why people shouldn't be running around with or against feminists and feminazi's and such just make a new movement that benefits both men and women (no bullsh** this time) :\
    Is this still revelant?
    • renogaza

      so many typo's, sry about that

    • kaylaS91

      almost every time I referred to 'feminism', you're right in that I meant modern-day 'feminism', or entitled power-princesses. Not to be confused with the women who actually fought to be recognized by the law as citizens with the right to vote or have an income of their own, among many other things. :)

    • renogaza

      @kaylaS91 i agree completely :)

      i greatly respect and support feminists who truly believe in and pursued equality but now modern day feminists (at least the faction) no longer care about equalism and only want domination, gender bias and discrimination, self destruction, destroying peoples healthy relationships and marriages, destroying political order and laws, all in the myriad guise of its former goal

      i used to cheer them on during each milestone and grieved over their loss (OV-099 STS 51-L USS Challenger - January 28 1986), but now i'm just ashamed to have known them, its no longer something i can be proud to know despite its previous achievements, hallmarks and milestones for humanity, i believe equalism is still needed now more than ever not to fight but to guide the next generation so that history doesn't repeat itself

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  • PatriarchalOppressor
    Was reading a post on a feminist site the other day with a title that read, “Does Misandry Exist?”

    I had to really laugh at the comments by feminists. One posted that she wasn’t comfortable with the word misandry because it implied that men suffered as much as women through institutionalized misogyny. Hilarious.

    Women didn’t demand equality with men until men made it safe for them to have equality with men. Women were given their equality on a silver platter ***by men*** when they demanded it. They didn’t fight and die for their rights the way men did. Instead, they simply demanded their rights as a result of ***men’s deaths***. That’s because women want equality without the expectation of responsibility.

    Institutionalized misogyny? Men get far harsher sentences for the same crimes and that’s institutionalized misogyny? The vast majority of alimony, asset division and child support goes from men to women and that’s institutionalized misogyny? The male-only draft is institutionalized misogyny? That men suffer like 99% of war and workplace deaths is institutionalized misogyny? That the bulk of state and federal spending on health, education and welfare goes to women – even though men pay the majority of taxes – is institutionalized misogyny? That men are the majority of suicides in institutionalized misogyny? The list goes on and on and on. Isn’t this really institutionalized misandry? Aren't these all really examples of female privilege?

    By attacking these valid concerns by men - you're proving everything the men's rights folks claim about women. Most especially the part about women being cunningly deceptive and wanting a free ride on male disposability and cultural misandry (the hatred of men and boys).

    I'm personally of a MGTOW mindset and don't participate in men's rights activism. I discovered long ago that the only way to beat male disposability and cultural misandry is to just not give women the power to destroy your life through outdated and misandric institutions like marriage. But in defense of MRAs - you're doing yourselves no favors making yourselves look like fools.
  • Negrodamuss
    It's been a while since i've bothered to skim a myTake on here, let alone read it... but you did a solid job with this one so well done. I'm aware that you follow the red pill subreddit, so i can imagine you've had this myTake in you for a while.

    So just to add on what you said... I've always believed that for a lot of guys in these movements, their membership is really based on believing in a principle of force majeure... meaning that they view much of what happens to them in the dating world as largely uncontrollable on their part, and because there is little they feel they can do (beyond the obvious like lifting weights), they adopt the idea that women aren't worth the trouble anyways. The only way to convince themselves of this is to make themselves feel like women are retarded and incapable. Why chase something that is beneath you? The whole mantra around "men are logical, and women are illogical emotional beasts" gets its roots from this feeling of fighting in an uncontrollable struggle. The truth is that men are probably the most emotional of the two genders. Most men have too big of an ego to admit that in their current state, they aren't good enough to get X, Y or Z girl, and that they need to work on themselves a bit more.

    I touched on a bit of this in an earlier post i made, which i encourage you to check out because it seems like a lot of girls had a positive response to it:
    www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q2060625-do-you-agree-that-women-marry-for-resources-while-men-marry-for-love

    ... but it goes back to this idea that guys are just too good for girls, but when you look at the situation objectively... the truth is that a lot of men don't know how to adapt to the changing environment where they actually have to put in some effort to attract women. Showing up with the dick in hand isn't good enough anymore, and for a lot of guys these feels like oppression.. especially white guys if im being honest here. as a black guy, i'm already use to having to be twice as good as the next available person in order to be taken seriously due to people preconceptions... so it doesn't feel like oppression to me and others like me. But it all boils down to some guys not being able to adapt within a system where women don't need men to live. It's a great system, if guys would take their emotional blinders off for a moment to look into it. If they did, they would realize that there is no greater feeling than to be wanted by a girl that doesn't need you.
    • kaylaS91

      Thank-you, glad to hear that you enjoyed what I had to say!
      &yup, you're pretty spot on in saying that, as a pretty frequent lurker of r/theredpill, most of these points have been broiling in my mind for quite some time. The things you'll see on there sometimes make me feel like starting a similar movement of my own, only against men. Obviously I know that most of the guys posting on there are basement-dwellers but damn. It's unreal how many grown 'men' you can get banding together and saying things like a guy who's been with his girlfriend for just short of a decade should dump her ass because she's pregnant, and 'most likely acted like a slut' to get to that point anyway.

      Or one that I saw just now with a list of things that are forbidden for women to do according to Islamic scriptures and there being things supported such as how no woman should be permitted to accuse a man of rape unless she has 4 male or 8 female witnesses, as that will 'spare' men of any false accusations.
      😣

    • Right Right.

      You know... a lot of people are confused as to why Trump is doing so well despite his clear shortcomings. A lot of the answer can be found in the demographics breakdown of his supporters. The reason why he's doing so well is not because he has a broad base of support within each demographic group. It's because he has a HUGE amount of support from one demographic group in particular, which is white men... the one that feels most "oppressed" over the changes that have been made over the years in order to make things more fair for everyone. You'll notice that these forums you've been frequently largely consist of white men... and im not saying all this because i have a secret hatred of white men or anything because i don't. But its not a coincidence that the most privileged people always feel oppressed when privileges are taken away. It's sort of a natural response to being taken out of ones bubble. That's the way i see it anyhow

    • kaylaS91

      Good point on how, despite everyone going on and on about how Trump is crazy and America is doomed should he get elected, a big reason behind why he's managed to get so far in politics, regardless, is because of how many middle-aged white males support him. Support him, or how strongly his campaign seems to say it will enable the class of white Americans to remain in power a little bit longer.

      (I can't really comment on how white males around my age would behave/think about those sorts of things as I am only really friends with maybe 2-3 white guys out of a majority of otherwise non-white ones but your argument makes sense in theory. It's nice to find a guy who's logic seems wholly in tact. :P )

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  • HyperNova
    "More like a group of people feeling bad for themselves and supporting others with similar mindsets in directing their bitterness/hatred anywhere but on themselves.
    Which is exactly how a hate group works."

    You mean like feminism? And I guarantee you that you, all your friends, all your friends friends, and EVERY woman who isn't an outspoken antifeminist is tainted by feminism. So fuck off tarring men with that brush when you won't say shit to a feminist.
    • kaylaS91

      Nope, rest assured that was in reference to the red pill. Which, if you see things as they are, is not any more sane/logical than modern day feminism. It's essentially the same thing, just like feminism for men's benefit.

    • HyperNova

      Nobody is pretending that it benefits women. That's what feminists do. That's why it will never be the same as feminism and never be as damaging.

    • HyperNova

      And just to make it clearer, feminists pretend they care about men.

      Men are actually capable of caring about women in a way that women can never be capable of in regards to men. So even red-pill men still care about women and are fair, but feminists are not. So no. They are not the same.

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  • EmoKate97
    "Weird... a brief summary for a movement supposedly centered on the discussion of sexual strategy in a “culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men” that doesn't make a single mentioned about men?"

    And dropped. I seriously get embarrassed by women who actually believe this stuff. I wish people would stop feeding into this garbage.
    • kaylaS91

      You get embarrassed by women who believe what stuff?

    • AriadneSky

      yeah i dont understand your response #EmoKate97

      My take owner was critiquing ' this stuff' not 'believing' it...

    • EmoKate97

      @AriadneSky my take was that for people who believe it.

      But you actually believe some of this bs.
      "You can’t blame these men for feeling marginalized, seeing as how fear and defensiveness are both part of the typical reaction of someone who has very little empathetic ability or intelligence/social competence."
      You're condescending men. Comedians always attack women for not being interesting and men laugh their balls off because they can all relate to having a girlfriend they dont like talking to so dont make it as if its a thing only loser "red pilled" men believe in this and dont pretend you actually feel sorry for them when in actuality you hate them. There's a lot of lame examples you throw out there but i dont want to break them all down.

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  • Jager66
    Feminism created this mess, it is an exact mirror of Feminism. Even though this MyTake is HEAVILY cherry picked to support the authors position there is still some truth to it.

    The RedPill, like Feminism was, is largely being coopted by the hate mongers. The Feminist media is also very willing to push this narrative because they have no arguments for the devastating legitimate criticisms it faces, and by doing so they give voice and legitimacy to the growing mirror of Feminism own hate and sexism.

    It's pretty interesting to watch it all unfold.

    • kaylaS91

      Please do add any information that you feel is significant yet was left out due to my 'cherry picking'.

    • Jager66

      LOL.. Just read over what you've typed, it's like you got all your information from David Futrelle...

      "A favourite pastime of red-pillers is to scheme on how to raise their sexual market value, seemingly so that, if they succeed, they’ll be able to laugh at the ill-fated women who may use sex for empowerment, but actually just stumble into the trap they set."

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      I doubt your actually interested but in case you are:

      This is a description of RedPill from the guy who first (or nearly first?) started using it to describe Men's issues, why not start at the source right?
      www.avoiceformen.com/.../

      The RedPill documentary, made by a Feminist who decided to give it an honest look.
      www.telegraph.co.uk/.../

      And this is lady, a highly regarded RedPill activist, speaking abo

    • Jager66

      sorry, forgot to post the last link

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQM77va9Y3U

  • SovereignessofVamps
    I heard of these guys but I think their POV is stupid. They all seem to want like traditional relationships and romance. Like... how isn't that the ultimate way to do what women want?
  • kelvinmed
    I really like the reference to the red pull and matrix, made it easy to catch your argument for these men's messed up logic. These bitter hatred men sound like non good looking men who hold sexist views and wants to sleep around with hot women but don't got any chances so they "cry" feminism and call it evil
  • Spiorad_Aisce
    I don't like any extremists in any movements - They take away any patience I have to listen to their case and I would consider it if presented right. These red pillers seem to have lost run of themselves
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    Reminds me of another quote - I support equal rights and opportunities for men and women but when you take it too far
    revcopado.files.wordpress.com/.../...di-christ.jpg
  • Raymond_Reddington
    Those pills look like jelly beans. Now I want some jelly beans. But i don't have any jelly beans. Now I'm sad.
  • PrincessofNohr
    We live in a culture of entitlement and persecution, and this is just one example. It seems like many people in our country today feel entitled to "the American dream" - a high-paying job, a hot girl/guy with lots of steamy sex, a fast car, etc, just because they are American. When for some reason they can't have it, be it their own failings or through circumstance, instead of working to change things, they cry persecution and blame someone else. We see it all the time - immigrants are taking the jobs, blacks are causing all the violence, men/women are shallow entitled pieces of garbage, etc. They waste their energy on wallowing in their misery instead of changing their situation to make their lives better. The internet just helps it along because people can now commiserate with each other with little effort.
  • Alex88F
    i have mixed feelings about it. there's a handful of men going on like this morons? i guess something is just pushing them for some reason and it can just be hating women.

    on the other side, let's just admit it. most women are fucked up. i know, it sounds totally sexist but its reality - too much "playing a role to flirt" too much "i can whatever i please to him and send him in the trash if it doesn't suits me" too much of "im a feminist and therefore we're not really equal" (which is not feminism) too much of "i'll be a little princess but a strong indipendent woman as well". Too many conflicting ideas on identity, gender related issues and all that crap.
    • kaylaS91

      yeah of course. I'm not saying that TRP has no validity to it. Some women do act in a very 'spoiled brat', entitled sort of way. Not all, though. I'd say that it's mostly a matter of what crowd you hang around in. Whenever I see girls who act like that or friends of mine who tell me to drop by my boyfriend of almost 3 years because he didn't pay for me went we went out for dinner, I drop them and I still have managed to keep a really good circle of friends around me for years now.

      It sounds like you're basing your opinion of 'all women' according to what one would read in forums written by RP followers, truth be told. As for these women that you supposedly know in rl who have 'too many conflicting ideas on identity, gender-related issues and all that crap'... TRP is built on a foundation of conflicting ideas, as I pointed out above.

    • Alex88F

      im not generalizing. im syaing that we're social creatures and we're all influence by our peer Group and medias. Young girls especially got caugh in so much crap that brainwashes them, same goes for guys. the Whole Alpha male crap has really fucked up a lot of good men and women as well

    • kaylaS91

      Honestly the people I hear talking about the 'alpha/beta' shit most is guys online. I've never heard anyone, neither males nor females, mention it in rl. Not yet, at least. 🙏

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  • lifeisbeautifulxoxo
    MRA's are such sad exuses for human beings really I feel sorry for them.
  • Flurr
    This red pill thing sounds awfully similar to a mens version of modern day feminism.
  • John_Doesnt
    Just wanted to say I'm sick of the Matrix memes and I would totally bang that chick.
  • zagor
    Hmm, never heard of it before. Sounds like a bunch of whiners.
  • jacquesvol
    I like your take ! :)
  • Rilect
    Why does it bother it so much.
  • Anonymous
    I'd really like to know who is telling you people to create this stuff. I'm beginning to think this site is sponsored by feminists.
  • Anonymous
    They are definitely not a men's rights group. You're talking about a minority in the pickup artist community. If you can't tell the difference, well... That's where you should have started.

    I don't think this accurately represents "red pillers." it's a broad metaphor for knowing truth. In my experience it's used to refer to the idea that women are people with moral agency and are capable of being something other that the wonderful perpetually innocent creatures they are seen as, and blue pill refers to surrendering to the "women are wonderful" effect.

    The way the pick up artists talk about the whole thing can be very matter of fact but that that doesn't mean they can't have a point about sexual market value.

    I can't find them to be horrible people when they tell each other to "give her the most mind blowing oral of her life" and things like that. The whole point is to win over the affections of women, treating them poorly is a misuse of the strategies employed to do that and I think your representation is of a minority at best.

    I think your summary of the red pill was wrong, but I can see how such a simple and neat narrative that lets you dismiss people can be appealing.
    • kaylaS91

      My 'summary of the RP' was taken, word for word, from the redpill subreddit. As I made to sure to state in the very first sentence of this take, in case you missed it.

    • Anonymous

      "Feminists claim they want equality but what they really want is power without responsibility."
      - Without getting into all the nuance of it, I'd say I agree with that statement.
      - But I don't get your statement, what does it have to do with anything? Can you reiterate?

      "Women are irrational and inconsistent."
      - Hyperbole, but there's a grain of truth to it isn't there?

      "A logical woman is easily baited into becoming emotional; women are easy to compromise."
      - Same as before, hyperbole. But I think you're trying to imply that it's these men doing this "baiting" for nefarious reasons, people can be baited by anything. Replace it with 'prone' and it just looks like hyperbole. It's speaking in absolutes for effect.

    • Anonymous

      "Women are Machiavellian in nature, which means they are comparatively proficient at being manipulative."
      - *comparatively* The end of the paragraph you took that from explains it well enough. "Where a man's instinct is to hit, a woman's is to do a big shit in your mind instead." They're not saying women are evil, they're saying women (typically (not that I should have to say it) use different means when they want to inflict harm. In other words women are Machiavellian insofar as men are violent.

      "Women love pragmatically and have no capacity to love unconditionally for romantic partners."
      - It's true, because no one loves unconditionally. Men's conditions are just easier to meet. It's a simple mistake to believe they love unconditionally when they feel that they easily love by comparison.
      - The entire "philosophy" is about being a better person so what are you even on about? And fatherhood is a different aspect entirely so why would they talk about it?

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  • Anonymous
    Women have always been known to be evil, defective and perverse... on account of which precautionary measures MUST be taken...
    • kaylaS91

      Awe. You must've woken up on the wrong side of the bed, leaving you unable to make a coherent counterargument and resort to the typical throwing out insults.

    • Anonymous

      You're the only one getting personal here...

    • kaylaS91

      getting personal, eh? Weird. Can't say that getting to know you a bit better interests me in the slightest, male Anon.

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