I feel like every time I watch the news a terrorist attack has happened, the media has made us insensitive to it. There's a line in the movie Hotel Rwanda (about the mass genocide in Rwanda) which shows a rwandian talking to a news presenter and asking how people can watch these things without intervening, the reporter simply says "I think if people see this footage they'll say 'oh my God , that's horrible' then go back to eating their dinner"
Sadly, it's common as hell for people to get blown up, shot, or lynched in the middle east. Every single day innocents die. Their lives are not less worthy than those of the French but it's just so common nobody gets impressed. It's unfair but that's human adaptation to everything. During WW2 30000 thousands of innocents were dying each day and after a while people got used to it. It's terrible but that's how humans work.
its funny that the terrorist attacks are caused by ISIS and they exist solely because of the United States of AMERICA's Central Intelligence Agency, well.. karma does come around, sadly the world is paying the price, not america..
my deepest sympathies for the victims of the orlando bombings and terrorist attacks all over the middle-east and Europe..
funny that america has yet to pay the price for their war crimes in ww2, they have yet to pay the price for the starting the vietnam war, and have yet to pay the price for the several middle east wars, and now karma has boiled it all down to this fine global mess that not even america can win against. the bible did say that an empire was destined to fall, now we know that it was actually america.
Westerns judge Islam with an ignorant form They see exactly 0.06 % of the WHOLE 1.6 billion and say Islam did it , we deny it's acts all of us Muslims denied it , and there's Hadith aganist them We are arabians love we worth nothing to this word our blood is cheap thousands die and no-one knows 5 dies and they start crying on them , just forget it and try to live
Unfortunately, while most Muslims do not support groups like ISIS, there is a strong minority that does, and this type of Islamic conquest does have a strong historical precedent. As far as ISIS is concerned, they're just imitating the early Muslims, both of whom carved out Islamic caliphates from the Middle-East and North Africa, subjugating the non-Muslims. The sad thing is that groups like ISIS will probably always be common place in the Muslim world.
Oh I feel very sorry for Iraq. It was the victim of an illegal invasion by the US and UK and was illegally occupied for six years.
Iraq would be a far better country today if Saddam was still in power or if the US and UK governments did not decide to shut down the Iraqi Police.
I wish the US and the UK were held to account for the invasion, both nation states should be made to rebuild Iraq from top to bottom regardless of the expense it costs the taxpayers of both countries.
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i have to admit that saddam was an asshole but kept us safe
Lets look at it this way. Maybe 90% of muslims are wrong then if they are refusing to believe such a phrase to kill infidels
You see thats where the religion fails. If it says it in your book. How could you say isis is wrong then?
To answer your first question. First world country lives usually get more attention. We are also talking about USA, not just a first world country, the most powerful of them all.
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i guess isis has other goals than to only kill people and please 'allah', where do you think they get their money from? they seel iraqis oil all over the world and get suported. also hitler was an atheist and killed like 6 million jews.
It's because most people see muslins as a group, so when Muslim'sare killing Muslim's, it's civil war. When they killed us or our allies, it's war with us.
We feel with the West, but the rest of the world is less of a priority since many are regimes we do not like or are down right our enemies.
Objectively you are right, but people are in general not objective, people feel. Just like many Muslim's feel sympathetic for Muslim's despite Islamic terrorism, because of the shared religion. In the same way, the West feels more empathic with the West as friends and allies.
Because that part of the world is constantly in turmoil, so it feels like "oh, just another bombing. There will probably be another next week". As bad as it sounds. People get numb to it.
But when bombings happen in western countries where that's not a regular occurrence that is a huge deal.
All over. Maybe I misspoke about mass shootings, shootings in general. I swear to god I can't watch the news without seeing "X dead in terrorist attack" or "Xdead in shooting"
@FallOutBoy2001 which is an entirely different subject in and of itself. Because large scale mass shootings are rare. Even if they've all happened in recent years. By and large they're not common.
Go to Detroit and multiple shootings happen on the daily. How shocked do people get over it? Not much, because they get numb to it. Any high crime area is like that.
Because it’s 1,000,000 miles away and we’re numb to the topic and subject. Plus I don’t understand why any war or conflict we fight we have to stay there indefinitely — Plus its usually religion based violence, The stupidest of all kind, and so we just figure they’re going to kill themselves anyways so we just tune it out.
We do but it's unfortunately nothing new to hear of terrorist attacks in war zones. Completely different story when it happens in front of your own doorstep in a country that is in peace and supposed to be safe. It may be sad but seeing headlines in the news of "Suicide bombings in Iraq" isn't as half as shocking as seeing a headline saying "Suicide bombing in Paris", solely because one is completely unexpected while the other isn't.
I can empathize with such people, I think it's terrible what both the Western governments and groups like ISIS are doing over in the Middle-East. But at the same time they aren't our people so we don't really hear as much about that as we do attacks closer to home, and obviously it affects us a lot more when our people are killed than people millions of miles around the world.
Because Iraqis want that type of violence. People felt sorry for them having to live under a brutal dictator like Saddam, but the minute he was ousted, the violence began and has never subsided. It turns out that Saddam's brutality was just a necessary tool to keep order in what is a very violent part of the world.
When they left Ottoman, they began to live their own destiny. Because, they liked English side. They listened what UK said. And also they left their religion, or they lived or own religion that they thought Islam. They supported PKK when they were on their own strengths. So innocent people are living the results.
*makes an uninformed, impersonal generalization about the world's emotions*
*Goes anonymous*
OP, understand this. It's not that we don't care about Iraq, it's that if we had a 2 week long campaign for every bombing, murder, or terrorist attack that goes on in Iraq, or even it's major cities, we wouldn't take down the Iraqi flag Facebook photos for the rest of time.
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That's why someone has to make the world aware of all the suffering! it doesn't matter if it happens every day or every damn second, people die and that's what matters not the number of times and how unimportant and normal it is now to expect people dying everyday! i'm anonymous because i can and well you're the reason why i make and uninformed, impersonal generalization about the world's emotions, you're the perfect example.
As an Iraqi myself, I'm an ex-Muslim, I was never expecting an Iraqi on this site so I'm very happy to see that you are one :) I thought I was the only Iraqi here haha so I'd love to follow you on this site. We need a secular government. One that lacks all the domination of religion. Do you agree?
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i do and that's great i didn't expect to meet one either! why did you left islam that's interesting to me and yes i agree with you but that will unfortunately never happen
I've had my doubts in regards to religion, I kept an open mind but in short, I decided to leave it after some research. It's all stories we're being told as kids non of which have any evidence to back them up. Religions are the same regardless. I've even looked into Christianity. I'm a college student, I was hoping that one day we would realize that religion should not dominate this country. I'm so sorry for everything you Christians have gone through throughout this conflict it's so sad to see people suffer. :( Remind me why are we speaking English if we're both Iraqis? lol
i mean i don't have arabic letters on my computer to write with you in arabic, like ''shlonak'' :D i am a christian and also religious it's the right path to me and i'm satisfied with our rules since the most important one is to love eachother, god doesn't force anyone into anything that's why i also think no one should be forced to go after the rules of any religion
Even though I personally think that religions are man made, I believe that everyone are free to believe whatever they want to believe as long as they don't harm anyone. Something which is yet to be applied in Iraq. If I were to say those things, I'd take risks and be judged by people.
Absolutely. There are people of similar mindset out there, but it's hard to figure out their percentage because they can't declare their thoughts to the public as they fear for their own life. I'm just hoping that this will change.
I am living in germany, we have English lessons at school but I learned it myself, watching movies with English subtitles and reading books in englisch I always thought English was a great language and also easy to learn, it's pretty handy as well.
First: we Muslims are NOT allowed ever to kill anyone even if Christians and we HAVE to give them all their rights when living with us. We are only allowed to fight the ones who fight us (non believers like isis) God says in holy Quraan (who killed one is like he killed all the people) We Iraqis are the most disa
If you don't know any muslims that agree with the Quran, you/they have two options.. Either you do nothing and continue to suffer terrorist attacks, Or you stop with this bullshit PC mentality that Islam is a "religion of peace" and admit that Islam is in dire need of a reformation.
As long as Islam continues to be violent, people WILL continue to blame it for terror attacks, and rightfully so.
i have to admit it that the kuran made me shiver and is violent but i tell you that many people are scared to leave islam because of their relatives and parents, many refugees converted to christanity here because no one can threat or hurt/kill them for changing their belief
It's kinda difficult to relate people who wear tablecloths, have unnatural relationships with animals, marry their cousins, turn their backs on democracy and (accepting that you personally are Christian) embrace a "religion" which advocates paedophilia, polygamy and violence +++. If they want to blast themselves back into the 7th Century, which is their stated intention, why should I give a toss?
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I am a christian for a reason i don't embrace any religion that's not mine and i know about all of this but how many people follow that kind of bullshit? even if they do they're sick and need help
People only care when it's not "them brown people" look at it, around the world there are attacks like this, and it barely makes the news, and when it does make the news, nobody discusses it how they do if it's a western country and nobody is as disgusted as when it's in a western country.
Simple, because these types of actions are commonplace in the Middle-East. Once these attacks become common in Europe, we'll be desensitized to it here, too. Hell, we've already practically becomes desensitized to everyday attacks in the developed, Western world.
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I feel like every time I watch the news a terrorist attack has happened, the media has made us insensitive to it. There's a line in the movie Hotel Rwanda (about the mass genocide in Rwanda) which shows a rwandian talking to a news presenter and asking how people can watch these things without intervening, the reporter simply says "I think if people see this footage they'll say 'oh my God , that's horrible' then go back to eating their dinner"
Sadly, it's common as hell for people to get blown up, shot, or lynched in the middle east. Every single day innocents die. Their lives are not less worthy than those of the French but it's just so common nobody gets impressed. It's unfair but that's human adaptation to everything. During WW2 30000 thousands of innocents were dying each day and after a while people got used to it. It's terrible but that's how humans work.
its funny that the terrorist attacks are caused by ISIS and they exist solely because of the United States of AMERICA's Central Intelligence Agency, well.. karma does come around, sadly the world is paying the price, not america..
my deepest sympathies for the victims of the orlando bombings and terrorist attacks all over the middle-east and Europe..
funny that america has yet to pay the price for their war crimes in ww2, they have yet to pay the price for the starting the vietnam war, and have yet to pay the price for the several middle east wars, and now karma has boiled it all down to this fine global mess that not even america can win against. the bible did say that an empire was destined to fall, now we know that it was actually america.
Westerns judge Islam with an ignorant form
They see exactly 0.06 % of the WHOLE 1.6 billion and say Islam did it , we deny it's acts all of us Muslims denied it , and there's Hadith aganist them
We are arabians love we worth nothing to this word our blood is cheap thousands die and no-one knows 5 dies and they start crying on them , just forget it and try to live
Unfortunately, while most Muslims do not support groups like ISIS, there is a strong minority that does, and this type of Islamic conquest does have a strong historical precedent. As far as ISIS is concerned, they're just imitating the early Muslims, both of whom carved out Islamic caliphates from the Middle-East and North Africa, subjugating the non-Muslims. The sad thing is that groups like ISIS will probably always be common place in the Muslim world.
Oh I feel very sorry for Iraq. It was the victim of an illegal invasion by the US and UK and was illegally occupied for six years.
Iraq would be a far better country today if Saddam was still in power or if the US and UK governments did not decide to shut down the Iraqi Police.
I wish the US and the UK were held to account for the invasion, both nation states should be made to rebuild Iraq from top to bottom regardless of the expense it costs the taxpayers of both countries.
i have to admit that saddam was an asshole but kept us safe
Lets look at it this way. Maybe 90% of muslims are wrong then if they are refusing to believe such a phrase to kill infidels
You see thats where the religion fails. If it says it in your book. How could you say isis is wrong then?
To answer your first question. First world country lives usually get more attention. We are also talking about USA, not just a first world country, the most powerful of them all.
i guess isis has other goals than to only kill people and please 'allah', where do you think they get their money from? they seel iraqis oil all over the world and get suported. also hitler was an atheist and killed like 6 million jews.
It's because most people see muslins as a group, so when Muslim'sare killing Muslim's, it's civil war. When they killed us or our allies, it's war with us.
We feel with the West, but the rest of the world is less of a priority since many are regimes we do not like or are down right our enemies.
Objectively you are right, but people are in general not objective, people feel. Just like many Muslim's feel sympathetic for Muslim's despite Islamic terrorism, because of the shared religion. In the same way, the West feels more empathic with the West as friends and allies.
Because that part of the world is constantly in turmoil, so it feels like "oh, just another bombing. There will probably be another next week". As bad as it sounds. People get numb to it.
But when bombings happen in western countries where that's not a regular occurrence that is a huge deal.
Kind of like mass shootings here. We're just like "eh" when it happens now
@FallOutBoy2001 I don't think you understand "constantly". Or that simply 3 people counts as a "mass shooting".
It happens almost every week, so I'd call that constant or nearly constant
@FallOutBoy2001 and what cities in particular do the majority of these take place?
All over. Maybe I misspoke about mass shootings, shootings in general. I swear to god I can't watch the news without seeing "X dead in terrorist attack" or "Xdead in shooting"
@FallOutBoy2001 which is an entirely different subject in and of itself. Because large scale mass shootings are rare. Even if they've all happened in recent years. By and large they're not common.
Go to Detroit and multiple shootings happen on the daily. How shocked do people get over it? Not much, because they get numb to it. Any high crime area is like that.
Because it’s 1,000,000 miles away and we’re numb to the topic and subject.
Plus I don’t understand why any war or conflict we fight we have to stay there indefinitely — Plus its usually religion based violence, The stupidest of all kind, and so we just figure they’re going to kill themselves anyways so we just tune it out.
We do but it's unfortunately nothing new to hear of terrorist attacks in war zones. Completely different story when it happens in front of your own doorstep in a country that is in peace and supposed to be safe. It may be sad but seeing headlines in the news of "Suicide bombings in Iraq" isn't as half as shocking as seeing a headline saying "Suicide bombing in Paris", solely because one is completely unexpected while the other isn't.
I can empathize with such people, I think it's terrible what both the Western governments and groups like ISIS are doing over in the Middle-East. But at the same time they aren't our people so we don't really hear as much about that as we do attacks closer to home, and obviously it affects us a lot more when our people are killed than people millions of miles around the world.
Because Iraqis want that type of violence. People felt sorry for them having to live under a brutal dictator like Saddam, but the minute he was ousted, the violence began and has never subsided. It turns out that Saddam's brutality was just a necessary tool to keep order in what is a very violent part of the world.
When they left Ottoman, they began to live their own destiny. Because, they liked English side. They listened what UK said. And also they left their religion, or they lived or own religion that they thought Islam. They supported PKK when they were on their own strengths. So innocent people are living the results.
Most of what you said is bullshit. If Iraq listened to uk then why did uk Invade Iraq.
Only true thing is Supporting pkk but everyone in the world supports pkk except turkey and Saudi. Is every country in the world like Iraq?
*makes an uninformed, impersonal generalization about the world's emotions*
*Goes anonymous*
OP, understand this. It's not that we don't care about Iraq, it's that if we had a 2 week long campaign for every bombing, murder, or terrorist attack that goes on in Iraq, or even it's major cities, we wouldn't take down the Iraqi flag Facebook photos for the rest of time.
That's why someone has to make the world aware of all the suffering! it doesn't matter if it happens every day or every damn second, people die and that's what matters not the number of times and how unimportant and normal it is now to expect people dying everyday! i'm anonymous because i can and well you're the reason why i make and uninformed, impersonal generalization about the world's emotions, you're the perfect example.
As an Iraqi myself, I'm an ex-Muslim, I was never expecting an Iraqi on this site so I'm very happy to see that you are one :)
I thought I was the only Iraqi here haha so I'd love to follow you on this site. We need a secular government. One that lacks all the domination of religion. Do you agree?
i do and that's great i didn't expect to meet one either! why did you left islam that's interesting to me and yes i agree with you but that will unfortunately never happen
I've had my doubts in regards to religion, I kept an open mind but in short, I decided to leave it after some research. It's all stories we're being told as kids non of which have any evidence to back them up. Religions are the same regardless. I've even looked into Christianity. I'm a college student, I was hoping that one day we would realize that religion should not dominate this country. I'm so sorry for everything you Christians have gone through throughout this conflict it's so sad to see people suffer. :(
Remind me why are we speaking English if we're both Iraqis? lol
it's quite difficult to write in arabic since i can only write with English letter haha
What do you mean "i can only write with English letter"?
Are you religious? Do you believe in everything religion throws at you?
ما افتهمت شتقصدين ب"i can only write with English letter"
i mean i don't have arabic letters on my computer to write with you in arabic, like ''shlonak'' :D
i am a christian and also religious it's the right path to me and i'm satisfied with our rules since the most important one is to love eachother, god doesn't force anyone into anything that's why i also think no one should be forced to go after the rules of any religion
Even though I personally think that religions are man made, I believe that everyone are free to believe whatever they want to believe as long as they don't harm anyone. Something which is yet to be applied in Iraq. If I were to say those things, I'd take risks and be judged by people.
i wouldn't go that far, i actually think there must be many people who would like your idea but it's dangerous to make it public
Absolutely. There are people of similar mindset out there, but it's hard to figure out their percentage because they can't declare their thoughts to the public as they fear for their own life. I'm just hoping that this will change.
Where did you learn English if you don't mind me asking?
I am living in germany, we have English lessons at school but I learned it myself, watching movies with English subtitles and reading books in englisch I always thought English was a great language and also easy to learn, it's pretty handy as well.
It is indeed. So you're not in Iraq currently?
no but a lot of aunts, cousins and friends of my parents are still there
Iraq isn't a place for people like me :/
where are you living right now?
Iraq. Duh!
First: we Muslims are NOT allowed ever to kill anyone even if Christians and we HAVE to give them all their rights when living with us. We are only allowed to fight the ones who fight us (non believers like isis) God says in holy Quraan (who killed one is like he killed all the people) We Iraqis are the most disa
Disappointed people 😔 and these comments from people outside here broke me so much
If you don't know any muslims that agree with the Quran, you/they have two options..
Either you do nothing and continue to suffer terrorist attacks,
Or you stop with this bullshit PC mentality that Islam is a "religion of peace" and admit that Islam is in dire need of a reformation.
As long as Islam continues to be violent, people WILL continue to blame it for terror attacks, and rightfully so.
are you religious?
i have to admit it that the kuran made me shiver and is violent but i tell you that many people are scared to leave islam because of their relatives and parents, many refugees converted to christanity here because no one can threat or hurt/kill them for changing their belief
It's kinda difficult to relate people who wear tablecloths, have unnatural relationships with animals, marry their cousins, turn their backs on democracy and (accepting that you personally are Christian) embrace a "religion" which advocates paedophilia, polygamy and violence +++. If they want to blast themselves back into the 7th Century, which is their stated intention, why should I give a toss?
I am a christian for a reason i don't embrace any religion that's not mine and i know about all of this but how many people follow that kind of bullshit? even if they do they're sick and need help
Of course The West had no right to interfere in The Middle East. More blatant colonialism.
Do you have the option to escape; or is it not that bad?
i am fortunately not in iraq and it is bad if you're living in baghdad or other major cities but there are some places you're safe at
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So we don't have to organise a GAG rescue party?
People only care when it's not "them brown people" look at it, around the world there are attacks like this, and it barely makes the news, and when it does make the news, nobody discusses it how they do if it's a western country and nobody is as disgusted as when it's in a western country.
Simple, because these types of actions are commonplace in the Middle-East. Once these attacks become common in Europe, we'll be desensitized to it here, too. Hell, we've already practically becomes desensitized to everyday attacks in the developed, Western world.