Is There A Fight For Men's Rights?

[Anonymous]

Women's rights were recently front page news as many women marched on Washington to speak about things like abortion rights, access to birth control, equal pay, respect, etc, and from time to time there are stories about women standing up and protesting companies or organizations that seek to marginalize or discriminate against them, but where are the men? Do they not have issues too? Where is the massive front page news story about the march for men? There was one years ago, in the Million Man March, but aside from that, you rarely hear about it in mass numbers like you do with women's organizations.

I mean, just mentioning to a group of people the idea that men need to fight for their rights tends to send a chuckle in the air, like men...need rights? Or you think men need....more rights than they already have, but talk to fathers who have had to fight long and hard custody battles for the children they have either solely or equally cared for with their former partners. Ask the men who were abused by women, if it's a laughing matter. Why is there no real paternity leave in this country? What about the inequalities with child support with some men having to even pay for children that are not even biologically their own?

I remember I wrote a mytake ages ago about violence against women, and in the take, I mentioned a small blip about violence against men and overwhelmingly the response from men reading the article was where was the point at which I mentioned where they should get help to which I replied that I honestly did try to find out that information for myself and there were only a handful of local places specific to certain areas that helped men in those situations so I couldn't offer to list say a broad based shelter, hotline, or organization, like I did for women seeking help.

Aside from the aforementioned idea of some generalized views about whether or not men actually need 'more' rights, I think men themselves struggle with this idea of seeming weak if they put their name out front in the fight for their rights. Many shrug off the idea of standing on a protest line with signs yelling about needing rights or wanting to be the public poster boy for men's rights. Many women's groups have been well established over years, if not centuries, whereas many with the focus on men have only been around maybe a couple of decades due in part to this idea that men already had all the rights they needed so a group wouldn't have received much membership.

There is also this idea that men don't or shouldn't deal with their problems "this way," on such a public front. Men just deal. It's the whole, men don't complain, they don't whine, they suck it up, and they make do, but is that really helping? With issues stemming from inequalities in divorce and spousal support, treatment of physical and sexual abuse, and issues with custody and male sexuality, there is very much a need for more protection for men in these situations. So so many men complain about these very real issues but feel frustrated that no one is doing anything, but that's part of the issue.

There is an expectation that others or someone else should herald the fight other than themselves, but if you don't fight for rights you want and need, then who will? If you don't take it to the courts and the streets and the front pages with the stories and the struggle, who is supposed to care or take notice? People, men, women, everyone will just continue to accept that things are what they are and will always be if no one challenges the status quo. It's not enough to say, women will never let this happen or you'll never get a chance if you don't try and keep trying and keep fighting. You have to know it's important to you and other men like you.

Women's rights groups don't just have women on them, nor do gay rights groups just have gay persons on them, nor do civil rights groups just align themselves with only minorities. Every one of these groups is tied to the world around them and cannot function as an island, so you work to make your story and your voice heard, in this case, to the opposite sex, and get more "people" on your side. These things are not impossible. They are hard, they are time consuming, they are constant struggles, but every disenfranchised person taking on some form of giant, gets knocked down repeatedly and has to find their way back up again and back into the fight if there is ever hope of winning their rights.

[madhatters4]

there seems to be very little movement or organization. on a small scale there is but not on the large scale that other movements have organized.

i think a problem i see is too many men whining and fussing about the issue but not doing anything about, which begs the question; how seriously do they really feel about?

there are issues men deal with in terms of paternity leave (a issue the feminist movement has taken up), paternity rights in divorce proceedings, prison sentencing, suicide, etc. so the onus is on men to organize in the same way feminist, the lgbt and other civil rights organizations have. however they must do so in a way that doesn't target women but targets the system that unfairly treats men in those situations

[lumos]

Very nicely put, I agree fully and now don't need to write an opinion myself haha.

[myTake Owner]

I've seen first hand the hell some of my male friends have gone through with divorce and custody and they complain non-stop about it and the system and how its rigged against them, but ask them what they are doing about it, and the answer is a resounding nothing. It's just the system and it is what it is... and yet, how many systems have we had on this planet for years, decades, centuries that were once what they were, but it took individuals here and there, and then gatherings of these people, and then marches and protests to bring down even the most well established of hierarchies in this and other countries. I personally will not stand by and let a man tell me how all his problems in life are attributed to women, and then have him say in the same breath, I'm not doing anything about it. That means you accept what it is, and therefore should not complain about things you have no intention of trying to find solutions to.

[myTake Owner]

Men do very much have legitimate issues with systems in place that are hurting them financially, and on a deeper level like ignorance of male rape, sexuality, and abuse issues, but expecting someone else to find a solution for them is not going to happen. Hiding behind the line, that men don't handle things by protesting or speaking out, is definitely not going to do anything. Fragrantly blaming every woman on earth for every problem that happens to a man, is certainly not going to win anybody over. As I said, communities in fights for their rights, have alwyas had to work with "the enemy," lol, in order to get things done because no one or no cause is an island unto itself.

[madhatters4]

are you agreeing or disagreeing with my opinion? or just stating your opinion?

[Jamesol1]

Men get laughed at for saying mens rights... the media scoffs at it... fence why men don't dare talk about it. A UK female PM laughed when a person in parliament mentioned it for gods sake..

[Blitzkrieger]

The problem is that male rights activist movements are shutdown by feminists. Male shelters for rape victims are shut down by feminists. Its not that men dont organize. Its just that feminists prevent them from achieving anything.

[madhatters4]

@Jamesol1 & @Blitzkrieger... i don't disagree with either of things you said except those things shouldn't stop men from pushing the movement forward. certainly women were scrutinized, laughed at, criticized when the feminist movement began... they still are. certainly the civil rights movement for African americans, LGBT, etc faced opposition.

if the belief in the movement is strong enough little things like scrutiny or opposition shouldn't stop people from organizing and peaceably pushing their beliefs.

blaming feminists for stopping the men's rights movement is just an excuse but it is not a reason that those who believe in it can't push forward.

[Jamesol1]

Men tend to jut get on with things more. They don't often play victim as much as women do. I mean you mostly see women at rallies. I just think as a gender we would just ''man up'' about it as the feminists like to say due to social construction. And it isn't just feminists it's the media. You cannot battle the media. The media support feminism very much... i mean on my BBC news app every day (not exaggerating) there is some sort of post about specifically women being effected by something on the ''most read'' page.

[Jamesol1]

Don't get me wrong men should stand up for things and protest... but with so much anti male propaganda going around I don't see it happening. We kind of need feminists to actually live up to their name and help us out. But apparently they have more issues so they need to be fixed before they start on the males (heard a few feminists say that in person... and she wasn't a nazi feminst or anything she was decent).

[madhatters4]

@Jamesol1 then you can't complain if you are just going to quit when facing adversity. you can call it playing the victim i call it standing tall for what you believe in. not backing down from adversity. peaceably fighting hard for what you know to be right rather than turning tail once faced with adversity and resorting... you say you don't want to play the victim but everything you said sounds like victim mentality, the difference is those other groups you call victims still push and fight for their beliefs

[Jamesol1]

I can't do anything significant on my own. I cannot reach out to a large audience. There aren't lots of men complaining about this compared to the amount of feminists... and men generally are busy trying to get a good career going. Women will often have spare time to go do these things.

[madhatters4]

@Jamesol1 black people were lynched, beaten, had dogs turned on them, were arrested, hosed all in the fight for equal rights... being yelled at by a few people who disagree with you seems like rather small consequence to fight for your rights

[Jamesol1]

Also supporting mens rights could effect relationships. I know damn straight I will get shit for posting about it on Facebook. There is a big stigma around mens rights being anti women. I don't want to lose my university place or have it affect my future job prospects. Companies do check your social media accounts for this sort of stuff.

[Jamesol1]

Well who wouldn't complain/protest... they had nothing to lose with the way they were treated. I do...

[madhatters4]

@Jamesol1 and you don't think women have been disqualified from certain positions for being vocal pro-choice or any other number of issues that women fight for?

again if you believe in something strongly you won't want to work for a company that would silence or disqualify you because of that belief. i wouldn't work or want to work for a company that condemned me because i believed minorities deserve equal rights

[Jamesol1]

The difference is having a job as a guy is more important than it is to a female (in terms of dating/having a family). Women back then were often looking after kids or just cleaning/cooking or doing non crucial low payed jobs to help with bills. Don't get me wrong I do agree with what you are saying. I guess i don't believe in them strongly enough to give up my future.
I'd probably have to work on a building site doing a job i'd hate... but there would likely be a lot of men 'activists' alongside me. The enjoyment of the work I'm doing for me comes before X political belief behind the employees/company.

[madhatters4]

@Jamesol1 "they had nothing to lose with the way they were treated. I do... "
some lost their lives
some were imprisoned
you can lose your reputation
you can be labeled as a radical, extremist, feminazi, thug, etc

everyone has something to lose. you just don't want to lose it.

[Jamesol1]

What i meant by that is. If you are being treated so badly... risking that very punishment (of which will likely happen sooner or later) upon yourself in order to make it stop only makes sense. The people who did were very brave.
But I think there is a difference in terms of life and death/serious oppression and men having to pay out ridiculous amounts of money post divorce etc. You may ask? then why do women campaign so much nowadays compared to 50 years ago (does that indicate that they are still seriously oppressed)... they are fully supported by the media and government. And i will admit i do this too... when something is going wrong in your life (we all experience this) it's very easy to blame other people for your resentment.

[madhatters4]

@Jamesol1 if your job is more important that what you believe in then it seems like that is on you not on anyone else. you can't blame anti-men's rights movement people for stopping you from pushing your beliefs as you've chosen your path.

if black people had said i prefer relative safety, not being jailed, harassed, beaten, lynched, etc vs pushing their civil rights agenda then the only blame for the black civil rights movement not being heard would be on those who chose not to make their voices heard in favor of r

[madhatters4]

favor of relative comfort

[Jamesol1]

''everyone has something to lose. you just don't want to lose it.''
Very true. I don't fully back it in the same way others back their movements with such focus and importance. But if men were generally more vocal as was the media about mens rights... I'd jump on board. I just think it comes down to men generally not being the type to complain about things as much... which is no good excuse to make... but it doesn't make mens rights any more or less invalid just because it isn't being supported as much. I've probably gone off topic here.

[madhatters4]

@Jamesol1 you are right about this lack of organization or action in regards to MRA being less valid. I 100% agree

and i've never said anything counter to that. i outlined a few issues that men face. but the lack of movement, organization, activism is the fault of men alone. if they believe strongly in it then the adversity they face should only strengthen their resolve as it has for feminist, the LGBT community, minorities, etc. we are only victims if we allow ourselves to be victims. if we don't organize and push the agenda we believe in we are allowing ourselves to be victims

[madhatters4]

sorry i meant to say I agree with you that, the lack of organization doesn't make the issue less valid

[Jamesol1]

I suppose men currently don't have it bad enough for us to feel the need to stand up and say X is wrong. We do face adversity like a lot of movements in certain time periods. I think a big part of the issue is other men taking the supposed more masculine view and saying just ''man up and deal with it''... which is our own genders fault... but then women have biologically been attracted to men that 'man up' so... removing that stigma may be the way forward without turning men into complete wussies.
The LTGB group won't stop improving supposed ''inequalities'' (which they do face but i can see that line of oppression not ending which is the same with feminism) they are facing and that will likely lead to men (predominantly white men) having to make some sort of stand to say ''now your screwing us over''... which may have caused the rise of Trump some what.

[Jamesol1]

We need a truly equal government/society where the voices of ALL are listened to in equal amounts. Because it feels like the LTGB community have almost silenced a lot of people to an extent (which is the only thing i agree on trump with).

[Kirah]

Unfortunately, no. Men's rights movements have basically no traction. They are almost always shut down by feminists, who claim "feminism helps BOTH genders!". But when push comes to shove, these same people will then say "women first! FEMinism!". It's a double standard that's only going to get bigger.

Screw feminism.

[Djaaaay]

Opinion owner. The trueth Is men don't give a f

[ThatJarHead]

www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

Article 28 familiarize yourself with this document. That's all I can say.

[Anonymous]

There's a bit online, almost nothing in person. When they attempt to speak they get shut down.

And absolutely men are supposed to just 'deal'.

To be honest, the main time I see women apart from a handful noticing there's a problem is when there husband gets destroyed by his ex-wife, or their brother does. And they always seem stunned.

I don't foresee any change in the next 15-20 years. We're so far away from broad awareness that this is maybe even an issue. Meanwhile, government and legal bureaucracies are still shifting towards being more and more pro-women over men, as key -second wave- feminists are still taking over gears of power, or their followers are, and their doctrines are becoming mainstream.

To get an idea to the level of resistance, take a look at what's happened with organizations who have tried to deal with male rape victims in warzones. They're often told their funding will be cut off if they don't make sure 90% of their money is being spent on women, or something like that, regardless of what the proportions of women are. And that's our nice liberal western countries shoving that down in other places.

There's been masses of data that unquestionably shows that domestic violence is pretty much 50-50 in terms of who initiates it and in terms of couples where its only the woman, or only the man. We've known this empirically from the time they first started talking to women in the first women's shelters. Yet these well known facts have been ignored and pushed away for -decades- and there's been absolutely no motion to change.

There is one way at looking at the fundamental paradigm of how genders were treated, which is that historically men were expected to control their situation and were held responsible for it, while women were assumed to be victims of circumstance (positive or negative). Men get praise, men get punished, women are just treated like objects.

To a large extent, NONE of that paradigm was attacked by most feminist schools, they simply redefined on a day-to-day basis what role the woman-objects would play. There's been very very little shift to treating women as more accountable (and accepting men as being equal victims). Not surprisingly, people then don't give credit as much for good things they do. That IS noticed by feminists and infuriates them, but they seem to completely miss why its happening.

[myTake Owner]

This still brings me back to the main point. Nothing is going to change with the shrug of a shoulder and walking away saying feminists this, women that, the world that, the laws this, the policy makers... on and on. Just as you are making the problems known here, are you also pushing for new laws, forming groups and coalitions, talking to other men online, getting support? We live in a world where everyone wants something right now. People think, I want change and it SHOULD happen tomorrow, but changes in major laws like civil rights or gay rights took decades and centuries to come to even a basic point where they are now, so why do some think men's rights are just going to materialize? These are long hard wars fought over time because you're fighting to literally change the minds of many people who are set in their ways and views... but clearly change can happen---ask the groups who have gotten it.. including the very women that you rally against---ask them how long that took.

[Opinion Owner]

I don't think they'll just materialize. I also don't have time to change the world. I'm busy enough earning all the money for my family while still trying to do a significant amount of cooking etc and spending time with my kids.

[myTake Owner]

It has to start with you and everyone else who wants it bad enough. There are allies, as I mentioned, to be found all over. You cannot just assume because someone is a woman or claims to be a feminist or has been divorced that they will just automatically not listen to or side with a men's rights activist. I've seen my male friends go through some pretty ugly issues with custody and divorce and I'm very much of the frame of mind that rights belong to us all, but we still need to fight to change the minds of those that can't see it... right now. It's simply not enough to say, it can't be done or nothing will happen, because then you're right, nothing will.

[myTake Owner]

We all have time to change the world if it is truly important to us. I mean if you were so ridiculously busy with the kids and such, you wouldn't have time for GaG, but the time you spend here writing this out or watching tv, could be spent penning a letter to a law maker or joining what few groups are in existence for men's rights. You can't complain about the never ending problems if part of the problem is you do nothing.

[Opinion Owner]

I don't sit around complaining. I'm resigned to it and try to improve my own life and my kids. I gave the opinion because you asked. I treat it like the weather, something to except and not get upset about

[myTake Owner]

You've very much lodged a few complaints in your own words about the system and the problems with it, but if you're resigned to letting it happen, then so be it.

[Lynx122]

There are men's rights organisations and people who fight for it. Karen Straughan on youtube you can check her out she's Canadian. Most of her good videos are old but I found her by coincidence and she made good points and a lot of scientific stuff to which I find interesting.

Most men's rights movements get dismissed, ridiculed and slandered so that's why there's quite a few women who are spokespeople for it because people listen to them more. They don't get automatically laughed at and booed out of a room.

There's a few issues that I think she makes good points about like education (neglecting boys) justice system there was one study that concluded if men were treated the same as women by the justice system in the UK 5/6 of men in prison would be free. And there's a bunch more but I have to focus on my own life lol.

I have enough problems and think most of your life can be improved if you focus on improving yourself and not on society. You have to realise what's holding you back, if it's laziness/procrastination or beeing afraid of failure etc. And then you have to overcome those things and go after what you want to achive. If you have a mentality that you're the victim of society and that all your failures are someone elses fault then you always have an excuse and you'll never achieve anything.

I'm not saying that there's no injustices in the world there's many but if yo want to achive something you need the right mindset and that's to improve yourself and work hard until you get where you want to be. Take every failure as a lesson and not as a reason to give up. I'm not very good at this myself I'm lazy but I'm trying to improve myself. I've already made a lot of progress but I have a long way to go. ^^

[myTake Owner]

I definitely support the idea of being responsible for your life and where it's going, but most of the issues I brought up in this instance would not improve just by improving oneself. If you're a great father, but the marriage didn't work out, you shouldn't be punished by having your kids taken away just because you're a man. That, in this case, would not improve just by working on the self. I wouldn't categorize a situation like this as simply not taking responsibility for ones actions. As with anything one complains about in life, including ones own problems, if you feel they are actually important enough to stand up and fight for or improve, you'll do it. If not either you or the bigger picture will stay exactly the same.

[Lynx122]

I agree with you, I wasn't saying that it would be the man's fault I was just saying that I think some people get caught up in the injustices and it takes over their lives. I definitely think there's a lot of valid complaints that can be made but I just need to get my own shit together atm I can't focus on anything else ^^

I have adhd and I was only recently diagnosed and I struggled with disorganisation and procrastination etc. I did well in highschool because I had structure and I learned most of the material just from class and didn't have to study much or be organised but at university I hit a wall very hard. I passed some tests with some last minute studying but for the big ones that was not possible and I failed and wasted a lot of time. I didn't know what the problem was and I didn't ask for help because of a bunch of reasons I won't get into. But I was lost and wasted years because I still wanted to study even though it wasn't working.

[Lynx122]

I've made quite a bit of progress and I have a place to stay now after 19 months of temporary rooms and hostels. But I still have a lot to work on and a long way tgo go so that's my focus. But I don't want to minimise these issues t all I'm just saying I have other priorities atm :) .

Are you involved in this movement, or do you want to be a part of it? It seems to be important to you did a personal experience motivate you to take up this cause?
Just some curiosity ^^

[cth96190]

Is there a fight for men's rights?
Yes. . . and no.
The fight is in the early stages.
The most common male reaction to being discriminated against in education, employment and family law is to simply walk away and refuse to participate.
To quote a line from a movie called War Games: "The only way to win is to not play the game."
It is from this that the Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) movement comes.
A significant and increasing number of men are learning how the deck has been stacked against them, so they are refusing to play the game.
Invest in cat food and cat toys, because there are going to be a hell of a lot of lonely cat women in the future.

[myTake Owner]

MGTOW in theory is a protest that works... IF not for the religious set and those that firmly believe in pro-life and procreation as destiny that far out number MGTOW members. Like a lot of groups, there is derision and confusion in the cause that dismantles this groups ability to become widespread and far reaching. Like feminism, the group cannot decide what the real message is or the real steps are to achieving what they want. I've seen the levels that this group is supposed to achieve and very few are willing to commit to that and soon drop out.

[cth96190]

Unlike Feminism, MGTOW does not have a codified ideology, or leaders. It is an organic movement that is somewhat anarchistic in nature.
If you want to know where MGTOW is going, look at Japan, where the sōshoku-kei danshi (grass-eating men) are having a huge impact on Japanese society
These men are at MGTOW monk level. They have zero interest in having any form of interaction with women, least of all sexual contact.
To quote from the linked article:
"Among male respondents, 17.9 per cent reported little or no interest in having sex — or even an extreme dislike of it," the Japan Times reports. "The proportion came to 20.3 per cent for men between 25 and 29, up 2.5-fold from the level in 2008."
www.businessinsider.com/.../?r=AU&IR=T
The Marxist lesbian Feminists are pushing Western men in this direction, through active discrimination in education, employment, family law and incessant an screaming of abuse.

[cth96190]

continued. . .
In Nottinghamshire, England, Feminists are beta testing a law that criminalises asking a woman on a date.
www.theguardian.com/.../nottinghamshire-police-count-wolf-whistling-hate-crime

[myTake Owner]

Asian countries in particular, are a poor example of MGTOW success because their own culture has created their own disastrous problem. By prizing men, the male birth over that of women who in many Asian and African countries are considered useless outside of bride price or for having children, many couples choose to abort or give away female children creating a deficit in the female population. Then you get into a situation where males outnumber females 2:1, 3:1, and so on. So then what happens... women ironically become the prize. Just like limited commodities, when there is high demand and high competition for what is there, women can afford to be picky and choosy or demand more because they hold the key to marriage, sex, and children for which those men have no choice but to adhere to their wishes or die sexless, marriage less, and childless.

[myTake Owner]

So frustrated and angry, as one would be at this intense competition for limited resources, they turn to prostitution as MGTOW highlights across borders as a solution, but prostitution does not increase the male or female ratio. They are in fact continuing to further their own problems which they created. They are effectively killing off future generations. So how does that benefit anyone but themselves in the short term? It also doesn't do much when the men who do desperately want relationships will continue to do what they need to in order to obtain families and partners.

[RomansToPhilemon]

If you really want to understand the issue. The Satanists of the world. The global elite - has long had a plan in place to androgynize people. Emasculate men. And put women over men. They want to break down the family and delete God from all thought. I mean it's no secret the CIA started feminism. And they do it through psychological subversion and warfare. Propaganda and Nazi technology brought over after WW2.

Read the declassified documents from the CIA on Operation Paperclip. It's all there. But the public is numb. Watch the CIA trials in the 70's over Operation Mockingbird and project Monarch. All real stuff. And this is just the admitted stuff they openly tell us about. No telling what they keep secret.

[UnknownXYZ]

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I think the current narrative is that women are the less gender than men so the empowerment of women takes more importance than whatever problems men have. Putting men's problems forward is seen as undermining what women's problems are.

That's the problem.

It should be whatever problem there is in society, we take it seriously. Too much agenda pushing and who screams loudest is what is most important. Ridiculous.

[cipher42]

I don't actually know that this is true. In part, yes, the current social movements are focusing on the more disadvantaged groups and not the less disadvantaged ones- so women's rights rather than men's rights. But even then, a lot of feminist discourse does actually address men's issues- like toxic masculinity in particular, and men not being perceived as good homemakers/child-rearers. But I think one of the reasons that discourse isn't a more major part of the conversation is because men don't seem to want to make it one. Like, most of the time, people who call themselves Men's Rights Activists focus more on how terrible feminism is than on actual issues concerning men's rights. Basically, a common occurrence is MRAs trying to coopt conversations about women's rights and make them about "men too", rather than actually having their own conversations about their own issues.

[UnknownXYZ]

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@cipher42 I would then argue that the men problems they bring are more in the interest of their own problems. I believe this because the subjects you brought up are related to women as well. I rarely hear men's issues brought up in isolation. It is somehow always related back to the strides in women's rights.

[cipher42]

The issues are related, but not the same. If there is a conversation about something like pollution in the US, for instance, it would be off topic to say "but India has pollution too!" now, men's and women's issues are slightly more connected than that, but even so it should be possible to have conversations about both sides on their own. The thing is that most of the time, when I see men's rights issues being brought up, it's in relation to women's rights issues. That gives the impression that men aren't actually concerned with their own inequality but rather upset that women are focusing on their own.

[UnknownXYZ]

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@cipher42 !!!

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Beautifully said.

[AleDeEurope]

Women fighting for women's rights are seen as empowered and fighting for equality.
Men fighting for men's rights are seen as misogynists. That puts many men off and drives them away from the movement in fear of being labeled as sexist, which may affect their job, as they may get fired for it. If we didn't treat men who fight for men's rights as sexist pigs, more men will join the movement. But I doubt this will change anytime soon given how society believes men are the root of all evil, especially since they started listening to feminists.

[RhythmBlack]

Gender stereotypes fucked both genders royally.
Today's feminists are fighting (trying) for equality for both men and women. All those points you brought up about the men's right they're fighting for. Plus equality for women and the dismantling of century old gender constructs.
But the movement is mired by those who preach female superiority and misandrists.
Talk to an actual feminist and they'll tell you this. Don't listen to the crazies, and they're the ones who got all the media attention (because who wants to read about something peaceful. People want drama, and that's what the media does) I know feminists and that's what they really do, not man hating/female superiority.

[IceCubedude]

men are not pussies, if they lack money the work harded, if they dont get hired they try somewhere else, if they can't find a date they look more, women when faced with such challenged curl up and cry for attention, men can't afford to do that men control the society we live in the moment they go down the entire civilization goes down with themm, thats why women protest and want men to give them everything they have, they know men are superior in many fields and if they play fair and square they can never compare to them.

[cipher42]

Men are trained not the display emotion. They're taught that admitting that they need help is a sign of weakness, which men aren't supposed to have. Like, sorry y'all don't know how to stand up for yourselves, but that's a fault of yours (even if it isn't your fault you have that fault) not of ours. Taking action when faced with inequality and injustice is what people should do, and it's what women's rights movements are doing.

[IceCubedude]

@cipher42 Men dont stand up for themselves? against whom? other men? there is no one to stand up against, men have been taught since day one to work hard and get what they want, women have been taught that men should give them things, when was the last time you heard a man complaining the guy who got hired at the same time is getting paid more? men simply rarely complain about such things they either quit and find a better job or they work harder , women want to get paid for doing less work, they want to get stuff for being women, if i get a penny for every woman on this site who expressed discomfort, and anger cause the guy offered to split the bill and didn't pay i would be a millionare.

not all women are like that, but the one that are complaining? they're a bunch of pussies, most of my professors at college are women including the head of my major, and they aren't complaining.

[cipher42]

You're the one who was making that claim. Fighting for equal rights and pointing out injustice is standing up for oneself. If men aren't "complaining" about their inequality, to me that means that they aren't standing up for themselves because they see it as weakness to admit disadvantage.

[IceCubedude]

@cipher42 or... they know they have the tools but they aren't using them which puts them at a disadvantage and they should work harder and improve.

women keep saying men are privilged and they have everything going their way yet when we compare young men to young women the percent of women getting an education far surpasses that of men, women are a majority at most colleges while men usually go for manula labor kind of jobs.

we can argue that men are taught they are good for nothing but work and they are a disadvantage and they dont have this and that but at the same time women claim men are encouraged to study and get high paying jobs, and these two things contradict.

but the answer is reather simple, some men chose not to study while some chose to study which puts them at a disadvantege, the way to fix it? get an education or find a better job, how do women fix it? they protest.

[ADFSDF1996]

There is a fight for men's rights, it's just more subtle. The reason why women's rights groups are heard of more often, is because the masses support them. However if men's rights groups were to do similar marches, then they would get a negative reaction.

[myTake Owner]

Please take a long hard look at the history of the first women's rights marches, especially those for the rights to vote. People, especially men who's wives were considered an embarrassment to them for doing so, didn't just welcome them with open arms as they protested. The vast majority of groups who have ever protested in this country from civil rights, gay rights, women's rights, etc. on down never got a welcome mat laid out for them. I think so many forget because you see groups today and you think, that's easy. That is decades if not centuries of protesting to even get that level of recognition, and even today people went nuts questioning the purpose of these and other marches. It's not enough to just say, well, I'm scared of what others will think. Others will always think whatever they want to, but if you want to make change, you've got to get out there and do it.

[ADFSDF1996]

That's what I said, there are men's rights marches from the MRAs but since there is bias against them especially from the SJWs/feminists, they aren't given the same public attention as those feminists. It will take a while before the Men's rights movement gets the publicity. The good news is that the men's rights movement is growing in numbers and will eventually get the same publicity as the feminists.

[Anonymous]

Caring about this topic is generally very disapproved of by both men and women. Oh fine, there are always those who wants to tell people they're wrong. I'm sure some people care.
Personally if I saw a man whining about his lack of rights and privileges compared to other people I'd ask him to kindly zip it and do something about his situation instead.

When he does, he will do it for him. Not for men in general.
Lets be honest here. If anyone wrote a mytake about the disadvantages men face it'd mostly be overpowered by people screaming "NUHU! You're not!". Until its some major life threatening injustice it won't be cool to care about it.

But hey, maybe we'll all jump on board with the egalitarianism. Caring about everyone's rights is pretty cool

[Jager66]

The Men's Rights Movement is over 100 years old, there are a few reasons it's ignored.

1. Feminists actively work to silence Men's rights issues because their issues contradict the Feminist ideological narrative.
2. The MRM hasn't resorted to violence like every other humans rights movement in history has done, it is a peaceful movement.
3. Male disposability is real! Until this is a commonly known fact it will be almost impossible to address Men's rights issues.

[jacquesvol]

Men's rights were all over the internet as long as the GOP had to beat a female DEM.
Trump s elected and I guess the subject will die a slow and silent death.

The presidential election was a referendum on gender and women lost: Europe.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-presidential-election-voter-gender-gap-520579

Draw your conclusions.

[Walrus_au]

May I never mistake the loss of privilidge for oppression.

And watch me play the world's smallest violin for all those 'guys' who whine about 'loss of rights' when all that is happening is others are getting the same rights as them.

[BronzedAdonis]

this!

[Walrus_au]

@BronzedAdonis imagine these pampered jackasses if they ever faced REAL oppression. They'd crumple like soaked tissue-paper.

[BronzedAdonis]

well said. I can't get over the incessant whining on this site, mostly white guys from western 1st world countries who thinks the universe is against them.

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[GnarCute]

naa whenever there are people defending males feminist fuckwads go wild an attack people legit i wish the times went back to the fucking 40s and women nowadays got a true taste of How unfair it used to be to now when its not unfair to us at all

[SovereignessofVamps]

I think there is online mostly. But I think it;'s other guys, who usually victimize guys. So it's kind of hard to work with that. Except in divorce or child support! In that case, the horror stories form guys should be all over the news.

[Jamesol1]

Men would get shamed and risk losing a job (or losing credibility in that job) if they started talking about it.

[Anonymous]

The legal system is against men, the media is against men, TV show writers constantly portray men as dumb and unnecessary, and feminists are against men.
There is like more than half of the people in the USA against men and actively try to diminish their needs. Most people just don't care about men.
Trump cares about working class men, and that is why many people dislike him. Anyone that tries to help men gets tons of hate.

[Coconutty]

Most men I know are very quick to complain if they feel they didn't get something they deserved. They're not afraid to stand up for themselves. I sometimes envy their clarity and conviction.

[Anonymous]

When you're a man It's not about fighting for rights. It's about being smart (wise). As a man you don't have a choice but to be smart. There's more to reality than meets the eye. But most men are dumb. Some people label these men as manginas. There's no need to degrade these men so I just call them dumb - Because they are... It's just that simple. Everyone plays their part in this reality.

[Greek_God]

Of course not. Men are discrimated way more than women nowadays. And nobody gives a fuck. And instead of a movement supporting male rights, what do we get? Mgtow. A group of whiny degenerate retards, who make men look even worse

[myTake Owner]

But isn't that the reason, in your view, more sane men should be the sign bearers for these causes? If you really feel like you as a man experience far more discrimination, what are you doing about it?

[Greek_God]

I personally don't, since I live in a more old fashioned environment. There are some bullshit trends, but still the majority of people are normal. Men are men, women are women. Not the other way around. However as a guy who is planning to move to a different country, I am annoyed by this since one day I actually could experience discrimination myself.