How Men's Rights and the Men's Rights Movement Are A Lie

[ManOnFire]

When I was growing up in my teen years I was like many young guys who felt slighted and unhappy by society for the way it seemed to esteem women and feminism, and I started going on a mission of my own to hate, blame, and attack feminism and any kind of rights or advantage for women. I was even writing my own book that was supposed to be about the evil of feminism and the plot against men, which would’ve been no different than all the other in-the-minority books other men wrote that nobody cared about either back then.

I got caught up in the modern day lie that men were being badly beaten by society, covertly being worked against, and were in desperate need of rights. Is it true that society and the system have failed men and is unfair to them in some ways? Definitely. But eventually I had to see what was really going on, and you’ll see too.

Campaigning as a victim gets you sympathy…

Don’t get me wrong - although I’m not a follower of Men's Rights I certainly am not an advocate or believer in feminism either. Feminism has a shameful history of racism and is notorious for using the focus of rape as terrorism in universities and society and whining about how women still have a long way to go.

So having said that, men who favor or are active in the Men’s Rights movement know that portraying yourself as a victim, casualty, or affected individual can get you some kind of sympathy. They saw how feminists have done this for years and have been successful at it, so they decided they would start trying it: magnify the issue of male anorexia (in the very early 2000s this was a short-lived cry for attention) because “even boys are negatively influenced by images in the media,” highlight male rape victims as an enormous issue that gets ignored, cry about the difficulties of being a man so people can take it more seriously, dot dot dot. Unfortunately, trying to make males look like a victimized or affected demographic has not been very successful for MRAs.

Once I started seeing what the Men’s Rights movement was doing with the victim/injured party thing, I took a step back and had to ask myself: is this how men are supposed to be taken seriously? By making ourselves look helpless and in need?

Men are still in control…

As much as many men - and also some women - want to blame feminism or women’s advances for how masculinity has been short-changed, the ultimate truth is that men are still largely the ones causing this. Men are giving women and women’s terrorist groups too much credit. They achieve nothing without a power structure deciding to take them seriously. Are there moments and areas of life where women really are the bad guys with some kind of control and screw men over? Most definitely, but on the larger scale of things, men are allowing unfairness to hurt their own gender.

Government, the justice system, the employment world, the media, even the medical system, and everything else, is still largely run, decided, and controlled by men. It all basically is an IlluMANati. Men who run the courts are the ones who give favor to women in divorce and custody cases. They give female pedophiles and teachers lighter sentences for rape because deep down those men are aroused by women being sexual with young boys. They give female murderers less years in prison. Male police officers have also taken sex from women who wanted to avoid a speeding ticket or write up. Employers give women the job over a man who was more qualified because they feel that women are a better image, or because she gave sex for the position, or because the boss thought she was attractive.

Men are the ones who hurt other men with their decisions and rules. Women and feminists have the right to cry all they want about what they feel is wrong towards their gender and what they think should change or be given to them, or how they feel about men, but ultimately men are the ones who have the most power to decide. And what they decide is to favor or esteem women where they don’t care about men being put down.

To be sure, women are not blameless and are without a doubt dirty crooks of their own doing and they do exploit men and exploit men’s disadvantages, but men in control still aren’t in a hurry to stop that either.

Men are giving women too much credit…

As I said before, men accredit women with too much power. They complain about women having some kind of might or influence a lot more than they really do. The problem is that men choose to give in to what women are doing. And by complaining, men actually satisfy women. Whether they say it or think it or not, women like that men are believing females to be powerful, influential, persuasive, etc. And they like that men are frustrated by it.

In these times I find it sad to hear guys being jealous of women’s orgasms, women getting sex, getting dates, or accrediting women with some higher power that they perceive them as having in an envious way. These guys think they are somehow guilting women or insulting them with a sideways tactic, when the truth is that women actually like it that those things bother guys, and that’s how women get power. And they eat it up. Guys make masculinity seem more powerless and inferior than they really are, not realizing that it satisfies the female ego.

Men created the rights…

So they can give them. I’m not saying that men do have all the rights or have everything perfectly, there are certainly things that men should be given or should have to deal with less, but my point is at the end of the day the power structure is still mostly male and they can decide.

But have you also noticed that the only things men have started to get a break with are matters of effeminate similarities? If men talk about it alone no one cares, but if it gets the approval of feminists who will also cry about it then people will start to listen, like with men being stay at home dads or being transgender. Even domestic violence against men and male sexual assault victimization has been taken more seriously - which I do think is good - but only because there have been women who also cried about it, and because it’s an area where a man is the helpless one.

In situations where men are more commonly being wronged and overlooked and women really are the crooks or unfairly favored ones, are still not the areas that our male dominated power structure is in a hurry to fix.

#MensRightsBologna

[swabby]

Ok but you clearly still sympathize with the cause of MRA's, you're just critiquing the tactics.

Modern Western culture is a spiritual hellhole. It makes everybody miserable, even its most empowered and privileged: straight cis white men. It isolates people and makes them fear and resent each other. Even the billionaires are miserable.

Now look at in-tact indigenous cultures all over the world. (I have to specify "in-tact", because your culture has decimated and corrupted almost all of ours.) Everyone knows their role, and has a spiritual connection with eachnither, the earth, and their ancestors. Men and women aren't fighting each other. There is no class structure, no drug abuse, no prostitution, and very little violence and crime compared to these moder urban wastelands you call civilization.

[ManOnFire]

Very true points.

[Binibini]

Just curious. What are examples of "in-tact indigenous cultures all over the world" where "Everyone knows their role, and has a spiritual connection with each other, the earth, and their ancestors. Men and women aren't fighting each other. There is no class structure, no drug abuse, no prostitution, and very little violence and crime compared to these modern urban wastelands you call civilization."? Not up for debate, just genuinely curious. I would like to find a place like that.

[oddwaffle]

Have you ever wonder why old white men are still in charge mostly even though half the votes would come from women?

Is it because the women vote for the men instead of women? Or maybe women didn't make good popular politicians? Or maybe people have this image that men should be and decided that men fitting into this mold would be okay?

Just ask yourself: is there something a man shouldn't do but you don't feel as much negativity when a woman do it?

If a wife beats her husband then it's funny. If a husband beats a wife then it's domestic violence. Shouldn't they both be illegal and get treat with the same disgust?

If a guy wears a pink dress then he is a freak but a woman wear men's clothing then she's curious or dyke.

Where is the equality?

[ManOnFire]

These are also good points.

[Anonymous]

The biggest issue is that it's basically impossible to get men to care about issues that negatively effect men. They just don't care, not most of them anyway. They don't care enough to get passionate about it, like women do. Maybe their pride gets in the way of admitting that something is wrong? They want to protect women, and they see the issues of need in men as a sign of weakness. "Suck it up and deal with it" is the attitude of many men, including those in power. Only a minority of men really care, and as long as it remains a minority, they will not be taken seriously.

[ManOnFire]

This is also true.

[Janncis]

Third wave feminism is also minority, but somehow its taken seriously. Yes there is a lot of suck it up idea floating around, but i think men just now start to realize problems they are having. Like, we dont want to cry about everything, but also we dont want to be abused by law. So its slovly moving fowards

[Opinion Owner]

@Janncis There are more self-identified feminists than MRAs. Feminism is a cross generational effort that has been going on for many years, they know how to effect change. They use boycott, social outrage, and lobbying to further their agendas. MRAs are a smaller group, less cohesive, less effective, and have less connections to the powers that be.

[Full_Metal_Jacket]

I think sex is the issue, not fragile masculinity. Feminism has caused all the oppression men have today.

[ChrisHumble_]

Men simply like the concept of survival of the fittest and nobody, feminism neither, is probably going to change our nature as a whole anytime soon.

[Asad1ONE1]

Most women don't care about women's issues so your point is irrelevant.

[ManOnFire]

@Asad1ONE1 Eyyy, that's kind of a true point.

[Thotkiana]

But u could say the same thing for the women’s movement. that most slut-shaming, fat shaming and whatnot are mainly done by other females

[ManOnFire]

Yes you could.

[AdmiralBailey]

good job, sweety

[Thotkiana]

Thanks dad ❤️

[MzAsh]

These men understand how weak they are to the power of female sexuality. When we say jump they ask how high. That’s a part of nature. Men serve to pursue and take care of women.

Men’s rights are just angry that this has progressed to benefit women more than men.

[AlphaGhost]

It used to happen back in 19's now the guys have evolved in to pussy hungry shit... and they will do anything to have it. When they got bored of your taste they will simply just leave you but Woman are traumatized by this experience, She believes how can a man turn from personal slave to the absolute hater,
Well Darling he was hungry for V and now he is attracted to another one... You are 30+ so I think you have pretty good idea about these experiences.

[ManOnFire]

@MzAsh Like I said, women do exploit men.

[MzAsh]

Ideally men would like to hop from one girl to the next, but in reality most men don’t have those kind of options. The smart ones stay in their lane.

[ManOnFire]

@MzAsh No I still think a lot of guys are getting it pretty easy cuz women are having more casual sex. Hookup culture wouldn't be much of a thing if guys weren't moving around that often, STDs would less prevalent too.

[MzAsh]

They are only getting easy sex from low quality women. And if that’s what they are aiming for then they are low quality men. High value men want high value women. And high value women run a tight ship when it comes to giving it up.

[EuropeanChick]

Sexist

[MzAsh]

Me? Lol

[ManOnFire]

@MzAsh Levels of value don't really matter cuz each level is different to every person. The fact of the matter is that there are enough men getting it without much of a fight from women. The bar and club scene is sexually heavy and tense for a reason.

[MzAsh]

Man or woman, if you’re looking to the club or bar to get laid, you are indeed low value.

[MzAsh]

It’s not hard to scrape the bottom of the barrel. That’s pretty common knowledge in both men and women.

[crazy8000]

Everything is relative, it's made up standards, only a narrow minded fool argues the opposite.
What you concider high quality do the next concider bottom scrapings. even you MzAsh.

[MzAsh]

The an extent but there’s definitely an objective standard. A lazy, selfish, bum looking for an easy lay isn’t striking gold to anyone, except maybe an idiot.

[ManOnFire]

@crazy8000 Right. Exactly the point I was making.

[SentientBrick]

Id rather fuck a cactus lubed up with fiber glass than ever have to be within 10ft of you.

God is dead,
- Mr. Brick

[MzAsh]

Glad you feel that way.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

If you have been around many males that when you say jump they ask how high then you haven't been around many men, just males. I mean no offense to you, there are a lot of desperate guys out there. They are not representative of us in any way.

[crazy8000]

@MzAsh
There we go.
Now do you express a made up standard, a mental construct how things should be. also a try to make something to something just to be right, come out on the top or get the last word (stereotypical behavior for certain types of females). hope you realize that.

[ROCKS128]

I downvoted you.😂

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@ROCKS128 For her that is actually ego boost. She is getting the angry reactions she wanted

[ROCKS128]

So shall i have fun without even putting those words into my head!

[MzAsh]

ThisIsMyOpinion, you’re right. There are a lot of desperate men out there.

[AlphaGhost]

I don't expect that... but let me give you the example of the High standard woman and their control over shit
I am not pretending to be very rich guy but I inherited more than enough and my Family is paying for Medical college expenses (Doc/MD-4th year). I don't know your standards but cash and good degree speaks for your worth in the dating field and I have seen plenty of rich woman in class and society.
Their story is almost near to whore like and they will get drunk and usually have the sex on the first date and WE DON'T beg them for dating us or anything like it. Your comment about the Jumping make it perfectly clear "You have been around some Males/Pussy hungry shit" but you are still unable to find the real man.
Your Quality man comment You can't expect the Doctor or the successful Business man to be hanging around and dating the woman that work low vague Jobs after the high school. They will either date their own kind or even prefer to go above their status cuz higher you go lower are the chances of selection.

[HereIbe]

We only serve to pursue and take care of women if they are taking our chromosomes and pumping out future evolutionary success.

[MzAsh]

AlphaGhost, please proofread your paragraphs before you post.

I’ve been married to a wonderful man for 12 years. His standards for me require me to be educated, ambitious, responsible, and a loyal partner which I am. He doesn’t but into all the men’s rights nonsense. He understands why divorce and custody laws are the way they are. He is pro choice and understands why alimony and child support are needed in our society.

Most importantly, he doesn’t carry a victim mentality and blame women for this or that. That’s what makes him a good man.

Herelbe, that is assuming your genes are worth copying.

[Juxtapose]

So I bet you also believe women are equal to men while simultaneously believing what you just said.

Powerful.

[MzAsh]

Juxtapose, Men and women are different in some ways and similar on other ways. Neither men or women are superior.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I am surprised to hear you say that men and women are equals and neither is superior after this "When we say jump they ask how high. That’s a part of nature. Men serve to pursue and take care of women"

[Juxtapose]

Fair enough, then don't expect for me to pursue and take care of a woman. I'm bisexual and have never heard a man talk about other men the way you talk about men.

I may as well say that women exist to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.

[HereIbe]

@Juxtapose, my GOD! They DO! That's all those female things exist for! MWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! Git me a sammich, girl! Me and the guys are having MAN TALK!

[MzAsh]

I’m not making any character judgements about that. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong. It’s just the truth. Men respond to what women want, for better or worse. Men have an intense passion and desire for women. And they know they need to impress them when they see a woman they like. That’s why men are called “white knights” and women aren’t.

That’s not me trying to say anything about superiority. I’m just describing the reality of what men do and how they react to women.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@HereIbe No they don't! I don't care how much you were hurt or resent women. There are some amazing women that love us in this earth.

[SentientBrick]

Oh good now we got the virulent cancer from the opposite side of the spectrum. The internet dumpster fire smolders brightly!

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@SentientBrick I am not talking about @MzAsh. I don't know her. I do know some that are amazing yes. And to see gown up men like yourselves showing so much hate, acting like victims, it's just pathetic. You sir's are whining! Nothing more. That is not for a man to do.

[Juxtapose]

I can see why you would think that @MzAsh There are a lot of really weak men who act like that, especially in this day and age. They have no pride and are addicted to female validation. A strong person does not seek validation externally but internally.

I should note that blacks got the right to vote before you women did and black people were slaves. The men of the past viewed you women as lesser than people we deemed fit for subjugation, so I think the desire to bend over backwards for women is more of a recent phenomenon.

[Celtero]

Eh, we don't abide by the rules of nature.

[swabby]

You got 20 incel down votes. You win!!! Lmao

[MzAsh]

Yeah it was expected.

[Celtero]

@swabby What's up with all these old men calling everyone incels on this site?

[MysteriousDarkness]

@MzAsh
I agree that there are a lot of guys out there that when they are told to jump they say how high.

@ManOnFire
Yes there are guys who are getting sex easily and the reason is they more than likely do not care who it is from. They go for the ones they know will give it up with the flip of a two headed coin. A high quality person goes for quality over quantity.

@Celtero
A lot of the guys on here are incels.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Women also go out of their way to impress men. Specially today when more and more girls are making the first move. My fiancee did it. I don't think this is bad. Both sides should do this, put a little effort to impress the other gender. Sadly, as we agree on, many guys are desperate and will jump of cliffs to impress a gilr. That is just being stupid

[ManOnFire]

@MzAsh I get some of your sentiments, but overall I don't feel that they really apply to the whole situation. I think women are the ones who aim to please men more than vice versa, and is why so many women have given up sex to get or keep a guy.

I do believe that men have strong passion and desire for women, but in some ways I feel that women's desire for men may be stronger particularly because women are often feigning indifference towards desiring men or desiring sex. As if they're in denial about their own weaknesses. Men don't deny being crazy for women. Women deny it for men. Which to me is a kind of suppression of your own fire.

[MzAsh]

@ManOnFire, I think a lot of foolish women have been tricked into giving up sex easily to keep a man interested. However, this isn’t effective and it’s actually counterproductive. The easier a man gets sex from a woman, the less he respects her and the less he is likely to keep her around in the long term. Sure he might “like” her in the moment, but he doesn’t respect her.

Women who don’t understand their true feminine power don’t realize this until it’s too late and they’ve already bent over backwards for him, had sex, and then he’s disappeared.

Studies have shown that men are the ones who prefer to be the ones mainly in pursuit of women vs being pursued by women. Men love a quest. They live to work hard they be the best and deserve something they’re after, including the attention of a woman. That’s hard wired.

It’s only the low value and lazy men that encourage the gullible women to make things easier for them.

Women do aim to please in their own feminine way, but the smart ones require a man to please her first. Unless she wants to get used and tossed to the side.

[ManOnFire]

@MzAsh But the truth of the matter - even if it is wrong or sad - is that this has worked for a lot of men. Although women don't like to believe it, men are aware of what makes women tick and they've used that to their advantage.

Most women don't think in terms of having any feminine power, and don't necessarily have to either. That's mostly a mindset typical of wealthy Caucasian women who rely on that to help them feel strong.

I do agree that men are more interested in pursuing than being pursued. Definitely true for me. And you learn how to play your cards well when you're the pursuer.

[MzAsh]

Well yeah it works for men in getting what they want in the short term, but these men will get to be 35 and wonder where all the good girls are for marriage and building a family. They’ve used them up.

[ManOnFire]

@MzAsh I think that's more common of a problem for women in that age range, especially single mothers, who often complain about now not finding a "good man" after they spent years of rejecting them so they could have sex with men they viewed as being more manly and tough.

[MzAsh]

That is true as well, and that’s a big part of what inspired me to start writing and speaking to that audience of women.

Men will straighten their act when they know that bad behavior is punished and good behavior is rewarded.

[EuropeanChick]

That's the same for women

[ManOnFire]

@MzAsh Those women should be taught they made wrong or immature decisions in the past and should think about how ridiculous and presumptuous it is to now expect to have the kinds of men they rejected into their lives now.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I will just say that I am a man and I say with all my might... SCREW THE CHACE! If I feel for a second that I am putting more effort in this then her I wave goodbye. Why would I want someone that only want me to please her, but doesn't want to please me?

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

About this:
"Men will straighten their act when they know that bad behavior is punished and good behavior is rewarded".
Again this is just a way to make someone loose interest very very fast. Anyone really men or women. Either that or they have no self respect for themselves

[MzAsh]

@ThisIsMyOpinion, we’re not talking about a woman not wanting to please a man. She does, but not until he does first. He initiates and then she reciprocates. I’ve had much more success with men after applying these mentalities.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

That does surprises me, but everyone has their experiences

[ChrisHumble_]

Lol. Dont be salty for not having a real man by your side.

[MzAsh]

I do have one.

[iOoko]

imagine if i somebody said: "women serve to pursue and take care of men", what your reaction would be

[MzAsh]

I don’t need to imagine. They DO say that.

[iOoko]

yet it's only sexists when they do

[MzAsh]

I don’t let anything they say bother me.

[Anonymous]

This 4K character limit is really working for me... sorry.

"Victim campaigning"
Yeah it doesn't work for men, so that's an issue. But it's essentially a reaction to feminists playing the victim card. MRAs are looking at that and seeing that their measure of the situation is verifiable so they feel like they can play the same game and win, but people just don't *feel* the same about men's problems.

"By making ourselves look helpless and in need"
As opposed to what? "we're all fine here, dont worry about us"? If there's no need for anyone's help then people aren't going feel like there's a real issue. Highlighting victimhood doesn't really work for men, but is anyhting else going to do much better? There are *completely * different angles to come from to help men but eventually the question comes up as to why you're doing these things and then sooner or later you have to cop to the idea that society isn't treating men right. At some point we have to admit to victimhood, but we don't have to be snowflakes about it.

"Men are still in control"
"Men" as a group are not in control. More accurately, the people in charge are largely male. This doesn't mean shit unless you're operating from an identitarian perspective. The reason they talk about feminism being responsible a lot is because society in general and consequently people (many of whom happen to be male) in power respond to that. People in power are mostly just normies trying to please a voter base and have a good public image. We shouldn't treat them as uniquely responsible, feminists can't just shift all blame to "men in power" as if it's a jab against men. These men aren't that special, they have the same bias as the rest of the mainstream and it's these attitudes that work against men that are the problem.

"ultimately men are the ones who have the most power to decide"
No. The people who have the power to decide are male. Not the same thing.

"the power structure is still mostly male"
As if it really makes a difference.
At best it'll stop them from having blanket laws that put all men in camps or anything ridiculous like that, because they are male too. But it's far from a new idea that leadership finds itself exempt from the rules it imposes on it's subjects. The idea that they aren't exempt is historically the new and strange idea.

"male dominated power structure"
Again, it doesn't matter that they're male. It matters who they're beholden to. Let's not get sucked into identitarian bullshit.

[Opinion Owner]

Basically I don't think calling them "a lie" is remotely accurate.

[markh2123]

I support MRA, there was no need for MRA before Feminism.
The premise of Feminism being about "equality" is bullshit. What has been or ever will be equal between men and women? Men are strong, virulent, masculine, and have invented everything ever.
Women are beautiful, feminine, never invented anything. I don't hate women.
But where is equality? Women being masculine? Strong? Stoic? Doing heavy laborious work? Does a delicate, beautiful, submissive man make the juices flow ladies?
There were no problems before feminism. Women and men gladly lived the stereotypical gender role from their birth to death. It wasn't until feminism agitating women into believing they were oppressed.
I am old enough to remember women who were pre-feminist movement. They were extremely pleasant to be around, they were generally happy and fulfilled, had many children (Same father), and grandchildren. They were happy to cook meals, do laundry, clean the house, and knew their husband making decisions would not be a detriment to her... and their husbands were happy to provide an income, a house, transportation, discipline. Very few people were displeased living this way.
The crux of the problem is agitating women into believing they would be better off if they had the same responsibilities as men, the same expectations, the same rights. That women are not equipped physically nor mentally to endure the labor force for an extended period of time, seems to have taken a large toll on women, especially from a psychological depression view. I have read consistently that up to +70% of all women are diagnosed with depression, a lot higher statistically than men who are under 5%.
Women who deny the label of "Feminist", often are the most ardent feminists. Ask an anti-feminist label woman if she believes men and women are "equal", which is the definition of feminism, and she will wholeheartedly believe women are equal to men in every way, and will become militantly angry if you try to disprove her. So all women are feminists, with the possibility a few stray women are not.
Feminism isn't even about "equality" anyway. It has always been about female supremacy over men from the beginning. Women enjoyed special rights and privileges before feminism that men never had. Sure, at one time women couldn't vote, but she didn't get drafted into war and lose her life or limbs. She was esteemed as a mother and wife. She didn't have to labor in coal mines, or factories, or any other physically demanding, dangerous career. Before feminism, men loved their wives, which is more than I can say about the unlovable women of today, who are impossible to tolerate, who will marry a man, have children, and steal his wealth and children, and speak condescendingly towards him forever. Yeah, I live that life now. An ex-wife who left for no reason, stole my kids and the last 13 years at $1200 a month, plus 10s of thousands through "equity".
You can say, all women are not like that, but that is the biggest crock of shit. While all women haven't divorce raped their husbands, the rest dominate their husbands so thoroughly that it leaves him emasculated nonetheless.
I heard a preacher once complain that he was upset because the single members of his congregation were having more sex than the married ones. Let that sink in. Isn't that really proving that women dominating their husbands leads to his emasculation, leaves him unexciting, as he is reduced to beta-man... "yes dear, yes dear"... says the emasculated married man.
The MRA movement , even though I am for men's rights, is like pissing in the wind. So long as women are given privilege in family courts, men put in jail for having an argument with his wife, women are given special privilege in everything, by the elected and non-elected rulers, it is a fruitless battle. Total collapse of the society seems to be the only redemptive course.
Men did not vote to give these privileges to women, that is a fallacy. It was a top-down determination.

[Anonymous]

The key to all of this ID politics garbage happening nowadays is this... Are you a victim? Do you choose to be offended? Or do you rise above all of it and realize how stupid it is, and say "no, I'm not apart of XYZ 'oppressed' group."

We're all better than that... the ones that think they're the victims of oppression are people that probably have nothing happening in their lives and were never held accountable for their actions, or lack thereof. Someone tells them to get off their ass, or gets after them for poor behavior, and they think they're being discriminated against.

Bunch of sad individuals. I'll tell you this, I go to work everyday, with countless people of different backgrounds and nationalities, and we all respect each other, because everyone is an intelligent, respectable adult with different sets of knowledge and skills we all bring to the table. And frankly, we don't have time for politics. It's not an issue if you don't allow it to be an issue. Do you choose to let it hurt you, or do you wake up and realize that it's all a big joke?

Nobody is oppressed in this country. Are there idiot people out there that make life more difficult, sure, but they don't matter. As long as you're a well put-together, respectable person, you're doing great, and you're not at fault for any negativity thrown your way. If not, maybe it's time to look in the mirror and make some changes if you aren't getting the treatment you feel you deserve. You get out of life what you put in.

[Anonymous]

Feminism doesn't mean what it used too, it used to stand as a bridge to lessen the divide in equality. Now when I see it, I see women who obviously have been wronged in their lives and are angry and bitter, they want to make a point and show their 'strengths' but because they've been hurt, they don't see it as 'the one person' it becomes 'men', they want to prove points, they throw stats and half-truths making divides and uncomfortable situations where there weren't any, their damaged heart is damaging everyone... Mens movements are often because they want to stand against what is fired at them, they return fire with similar issues to the women, in the way that they show and basically say, 'we were wronged because' - and then out pours hurt and retaliation for the most part. The movements themselves are the issues. Both. We aren't addressing serious issues together with them, we aren't saying, 'this isn't right, lets change it together'... People are too busy pointing fingers and aiming their voices at the opposite gender... and it solves nothing

[AlphaGhost]

I have always mentioned the Man leading the flock of sheep/protecting it while again the man attacking as predators. While the woman think they are anything but in reality they are just Sheep to blind to see the one giving the orders and the one breaking the rules.
Typical idiotic woman believing they achieved anything and the whole modern system of dating actually favours men too. We always dream of having sex with multiple woman without marriage and any responsibility while the woman are the one serious about relationships.
We somehow make them believe them its freedom and good for them but in reality their CLOCK is ticking very fast towards the 30+ limit and after that, She will lose her beauty and man will stop looking at her for good.
While we got unlimited age to play and I have noticed woman always become serious about marriage stuff at 30's even successful and rich ones but their prime time is gone by Now.

I don't believe the Man's rights movement is a lie they do raise some very serious issues and they have to play the pathetic game to gain attention otherwise. Who is gona believe them? and they are still leagues behind the MeeTOO publicity stunt.

[englisc]

It's not a lie, but it is true that for the most part society as a whole doesn't really give a shit about men, especially the men in power. The idea that the men in charge do, that they do what they can to benefit men over women they way feminists think they do, is a lie.

Because of this it's pointless to complain as a man expecting sympathy and real change. Even the people who pretend they do care about men will mock men for complaining. They'll tell men to be more open about feelings, then they'll be the first to call men whiners, losers, and incels for doing so.

As a man all you can do is see what's going on and behave accordingly. The things mens rights activists complain about can mostly be avoided. Unfair divorce laws? You can't get divorced if you don't get married. Or just don't date feminists, idiots, slutty women, damaged women.

[ManOnFire]

Exactly! Excellent!

[Anonymous]

Men don't care about other men and I hate myself for being born and having to defend this curse called humanity. I have nothing left after trying to believe in friendship and comradiere. I ended up with depression after thinking people would understand my naive ideals of prosperity for all would be welcomed by all with open arms. Everybody hates us men, women everyone or they simply don't care. young boys are just pawns with emotions to men, women, society the sooner they understand this the lesser pain they will have to endure.

Men who are castrated are insulted for not being a man, even baby boys with a micropenis were degraded and humiliated with forced gender assignment simply because they were born with a small penis.

It's fun to mock and laugh at a sexually mutilated man even on TV shows and real life. I only hope that more men commit suicide because I can't bare what will happen in the future, young boys are mostly abused to death in the name of survival. whats the point of living in such a situation where you can't see them live prosperously or help them out in their situation. I am utterly powerless to see them truly happy and fulfilling lives.

We are doomed to chase after women if we want to have a family of our own and I don't think it's worth it in the modern world where men feel so alone and isolated. Being a man has become a lifestyle where death is preferable to life. Thats why it's best to advocate suicide for most men. Exactly what do men and boys have to live for in such a world for. you tell me if you know.

I just want what's best for them even if it's death.

[Ellie-V]

I don’t agree that (most) women love and eat up negative attention and I don’t agree that women (in general) are dirty crooks.

Those are just my opinions. Maybe I’m biased because I’m a woman... but most females aren’t soul sucking vampires out to get men for the sake of privilege and dominance.

But anyways, I support your overall message. I’ve been saying this so many times on here. Men are the ones who are in control, at large. And most of the oppression they face is their own fault for allowing themselves to be doormats. And y’all love to claim how women have no respect but honestly some of you whiners just don’t deserve any.

[N192K001]

True, those in power over many jurisdictions are still majority men and women still do have their issues, but this article does neither addresses nor refutes the issues of concern Men's Rights activists discuss:
• unequal laws on divorce, alimony, child-custody, child-support
• lack of gender-neutral anti-rape legislation
• lack of concern/funding for male-illness medical-research than for women's (ex. funding for breast-cancer vs. prostate-cancer research)
• disturbingly-lower male academic-performance while honor-students are generally female (generally in the West)
• 1-sided mandatory military service directed mostly to only 1 gender
• etc.

And if they try to address these issues, can you imagine who will immediately object and brand the law-makers as woman-hating misogynists?

[ManOnFire]

I did address it, by noting that these issues are in men's hands to fix but they're not really trying to.

"And if they try to address these issues, can you imagine who will immediately object and brand the law-makers as woman-hating misogynists?"
- That is also true.

[mateynine]

You're right. I'm not a victim. I'm in control. That's why I won't be signing a marriage contract that takes away that control. I have seen men both in my family and outside my family who have had their entire lives destroyed by marriage, so I'm opting out.

I mean if a girl truly loved me then she wouldn't need me to sign a one-sided contract in order to be with me. She should care about my future success and well-being.

"The problem is that men choose to give in to what women are doing."
I couldn't agree more. Opt-out.

[Thatsamazing]

There's a lot of good stuff in here; I disagree with some of what you wrote regarding the justice system and lighter sentences, as there are often exteunating circumstances in every case. I also think overuse of the term "pedophile" actually hurts everyone, but hurts males more with its stupidity. But the reasons you mentioned for *why* older females who have sex with teen dudes get lighter sentences is partially true, but you got the why of it wrong-- it's because we as males want sex more, that we see that in a different light. Pretty simple.

[Doodabeat]

I see what you're saying. The Men's Rights movement is trying to equalize marriage so that men don't have to pay women after a divorce, because a divorce defeats the purpose of the financial bind of marriage. I'm unaware of men's freedom being infringed aside from marriage laws.

[HereIbe]

Most of the time, men don't have to pay women after a divorce unless the men are stupid. Stupidity brings its proper rewards.

[SkipStop]

Sorry, but I am still a strong supporter of men's rights and will continue to fight against feminist hatred towards us. As for the men in courts, they need to be fired because they are being controlled by feminist lies and ideologies that have been spreading for years if not decades. We need to replace them with conservative men who don't listen to liberal sh*t. And replacing them with female judges will only make things worst because women will emotionally feel and believe more in what misandrists say and give more pu55y passes. Men are the oppressed ones in society. Women have all the benefits in health, business, jobs, media, etc. That needs to be stopped! We need more men's marches, activists, protests, everything we can. More conservative leaders is a must. A must. President, vice president, judges, CEO's and so on. ♂️
#mensrights #redpill #himtoo #mra

[YHL6965]

Although I agree with a lot of things you say, that does not mean that men's rights movements are lies. The complaints are very legitimate. I agree with the fact that most of this is due to decisions taken by men mostly, most of these men are manipulated in some way to treat women as weaker beings that would need special care, which is contradictory with the "egalitarian" view that feminism is trying to push.

To me, if all these men taking decisions actually had some honor, pride and self-respect, men would not suffer these consequences as much.

[patrickjvv]

TLDR for this post in case someone doesn't bother to read through this.

"We men should blame ourselves for giving women power. What kind of a pussy cares about injustices or societal issues."

For a thirty-year-old man you have the edginess and understanding of a high schooler.

[ManOnFire]

Orrrrrrr maybe it's the men whining and acting like high schoolers about the facts.

[patrickjvv]

What facts would those be? In the United States incarcerated men and college-aged of women face a very real threat of sexual assault. That's not "whining."

[ManOnFire]

The facts that men are oppressing other men in the areas I stated in this Take. And men should blame themselves for letting women exploit them, yes. I care about societal issues, just not MGTOW bullshit or any of that bologna from angry Paul Elam followers.

[fahad3267]

Well no one talks about handout anymore.
It's not men/women being wronged. We need to look at both with the same eye and consider that the other person is a human like us.
I think it will promote more rational thinking and we will be free of gender rights and we'll figure in human rights.

[fahad3267]

*handouts=humans

[UncleJessieRabbit]

I could see where you were going with this in some of the parts, and some parts I didn't agree with at all. In the end I don't think it's fair to say the Men's Rights Movement is a "lie", how can it be a lie when it's true that men still have certain disadvantages in society that should be addressed?

[UncleJessieRabbit]

And I will dispute that men still maintaining control of certain areas isn't really an issue.

[Dargil]

A men's rights support group is like a drug dependency group. Walk away from your addiction to pussy. I don't need a support group. The key is being willing to do without sex unless the package that goes with it is good. There's plenty else to do with your time and a good fap once in a while will slake off the thirst.

[ChrisHumble_]

So what? You aren't going to achieve anything by contemplating about these things online. Achieve prosperity and wealth for yourself and loved ones rather than trying to win society's losing battle.
Its okay to think about yourself first, its okay to be 'selfish' as long as you aren't harming anyone.
Only losers, leechers and other sad people will tell you to think about them first.
Help yourself first and then think about helping others. Make money and then found a private school for example.