How Men's Rights and the Men's Rights Movement Are A Lie (Page 2)

[hahahmm]

You make it sound like every guy who supports men’s rights portrays himself as a victim but that’s not true. It’s known - as you mention - that men are the ones enforcing unfair law/rules on other guys but who has ever claimed that was not the case? You can find tons of videos talking about those kinds of guys

[ManOnFire]

Right. But the majority of people who are aiming at women as the problem are men.

[Janncis]

@ManOnFire Woman tend to be part of said problems. For example when woman screams rape , man must prove hi didn't do it. Woman at most of times are treated as victims even if she was agressor, and men as agresors even when they did nothing and endured female abuse. That said there are mens problems like prostata cancer, high suicide rate, work related deaths where woman aren't responsible for. MRA is great thing as long as it dont turns into feminist bulshit...

[MaverickAngel]

I agree to a point. Yes the power is given away by men. Yes - it's not ok to play the victim (even if you have been one). Everyone has a voice though.. and people voicing their concerns might stop the pendulum swinging the total other way...

[morrowlow]

this is a very complicated issue. i just wish GaG could detect irrational men and women and keep them from joining the conversation then we could have discussed it peacefully.

[ManOnFire]

I definitely agree with that 100%.

[smg99]

There are secret legal corridors within the United States with strict male prominence and of pro men’s rights. Please don’t say women wield all power, just compare the scandals of Hilary Clinton to that of Trump. Who had dire repercussions that should answer itself.

[ManOnFire]

I never said women wield all the power.

[smg99]

It’s actually no one wields the power except for a show, ultimately its upto the silent power houses and influential people who run America and have roots far extended worldwide.

They gaslight public to make rifts and protests all the while knowing that everything is a chess game with pawns of their choosing.

Might sound paranoid but I hope I’m wrong too.

[SentientBrick]

You look like that hue-mongus lady and you talk like you wear the same tin foil hat too!

[smg99]

@SentinentBrick; I see no such person in the pictures above. Are you sure you aren’t a druggie?

[mateynine]

I mean... in some ways the left and the right are the same. For example neither of them want to get rid of social security. Neither of them want to stop fighting pointless wars for Israel.

[smg99]

Yes absolutely

[smg99]

Nobody likes or is that prepared for radical changes. Nor do they happen unless it benefits all concerned.

[Kas19]

You: "Men's rights and Women's rights movements are just crybabies"
Also you: *proceeds to cry about men's rights and women's rights movements*

[MzAsh]

Exactly. Men feel threatened that they might end up in the same social and economic situations that women were once in. They are acting out due to realize their loss of control. The total control was never meant to be theirs to begin with. And as a result of the destruction of trust and healthy relationship between men and women, feminism happened. There’s no way it was ever not going to happen. In fact, I think we’re lucky that feminism hasn’t been more aggressive. Because I know I might be provoked to do wicked things if a man ever so much as thought he could own me like property.

[ManOnFire]

@Kas19 Your statement sounds more like you're just trying to be cheeky than making any sense.

Men's rights and women's rights can both be valid arguments. It's about how these groups direct their arguments that's bullshit. And what I'm talking about in this Take is how many men are ignoring the fact that Men in control are their enemy. Not women.

[Kas19]

Hmm yeah you do have a point

[EnglishArtsteacher]

@MzAsh " Men feel threatened that they might end up in the same social and economic situations that women were once in. "

We're already to this point, at least here in the United States of America.

[MzAsh]

No way.

[Kas19]

Uh, they aren't. There is a certain degree of male oppression, but it has never been as bad as womens. Not that their oppression is invalid, but it's not the same.

[LogicBomber]

Spit out the kool-aid bub. It's poison and it won't get you laid.

Western women are the most privileged group of humans to ever exist.
If ANY of the shit you said was valid, we wouldn't be the group with the endless list of actual issues.

[ManOnFire]

But you have to ask yourself: WHY are Western women the most priveleged? Because men have allowed it.

[HereIbe]

Western women are only "privileged" like a housecat is "privileged". They're pets.

[Heartache0405]

So men are hating on men...
Women are also hating on men...
Yet women are still the most oppressed gender in America? And the feminists think the best way to help men and women alike is to do away with "the patriarchy." And replace it with what? A matriarchy? A country led mostly if not only by women? I honestly can't understand why anyone would actually think that would be better... The idea honestly makes me ill

[ManOnFire]

I don't think it would be. Men still need to be the leaders but men also need to stop giving in to women as well.

[Heartache0405]

Agreed

[Anonymous]

Firstly you can’t deny women have suffered more repression than men ever have throughout history! Secondly there are feminists who are taking it too far now! Thirdly in reality this isn’t that much of a problem, males and females still get one well together in my experience, I’ve never come across any case of false accusation, I’m sure there are but I’m positive they’re a low minority, this only seems to be a big topic in Internet forums etc.

[Naydyonov]

Repression yes. Women also always survived at greater rates.
Example: 20.5 million Soviet men dead during the war and 6.5 million women. If men who fought as soldiers are removed, this leaves 5.9 million civilian men. Meaning that despite there already being an inherent imbalance in the population, due to the Great War, Civil War, and political repression — all of which left millions more women than men in the country. Even something like the Soviet-Finnish war left roughly 200 000 men dead, many from Ukraine. Meaning, that when the Axis forces occupied the western portion of the USSR, there were already a great many less men there: 1 — the natural population imbalance, 2 —millions of men originating from the future occupied territories were in the army; 1 — meaning many became prisoners of war and died or died in battle, 2 —many retreated with the army into Russia proper.
Thus, in territories where the ratio of men to women was perhaps 0.73 to 1, the death ratio was 0.91 man to 1 woman.

Women may have been repressed, along with "just" 95% of all men, but men have always been the first to die. And they died in order to receive pay to stay alive (mercenaries.) —Quite idiotic: risking your life to stay alive. Or they died in order to defend their land from foreign invasion, which will always have normal civilians suffer at the hands of the occupying force.

In essence: for most of human existence both sexes have lived like shit.

[mateynine]

@Naydyonov You're forgetting that women are the primary victim of war!
They lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat.
-Hillary Clinton

[Naydyonov]

Oh yeah — the real fucking equivalent.
😐🙄
God damn

[Anonymous]

Nice take. I'd add that the broader issue is that identity politics is pure bullshit. Doesn't matter what the "group" is: women, men, racial group A, racial group B, sex preference group C or D, or whatever. It's. All. BULLSHIT. What matters is the individual.

[ObscuredBeyond]

Congratulations on making yourself part of the problem. Evil women do exist. Tide Munchers like you, and corrupt judges, are the reason these women seem all-powerful.

Worse than the slave owners, were those in denial that anything was wrong with the slave trade.

You are on the wrong side of eternity, if you don't learn some empathy.

[Anonymous]

Once upon a time I thought about joining a MRA. But I also hate the crybaby campaigning. Victimhood will get you sympathy but never respect.

However I will never hesitate to call out modern feminism.

[ManOnFire]

I absolutely agree with that.

[Opinion Owner]

I will say that MRAs have absolutely nowhere near the political power and cultural advantage as feminism. Some of their grievances are just and very real (particularly legal bias in family and criminal law). Being made up of men and honey badgers (sympathetic women) they also fight more rationally than feminists do.

But again I don’t like fighting radicalism with radicalism. But how do we fight modern feminism?

[ManOnFire]

The only way feminism can die is if women kill it. They're going to mostly be the solution to that problem. Millions of women have to rise up and acknowledge the racist roots of the movement, it's own political ugliness, and how it has caused division, and then these millions of women need to openly denounce it. But I don't foresee that happening any time soon.

[UncleJessieRabbit]

I believe that sometimes when you can't reason with a radical bully, the only solution is to match their level of radicalism anyway.

[Opinion Owner]

Exactly. Some women are wising up to this crap but too many are so impressionable it’s disgusting. The worst are college girls who are being brainwashed. There are plenty of them on GaG. Some of them are just young and dumb. When they get older and have more experience they tend to understand that being a man is not exactly a fairytale kingdom. But others get even dumber with age.

All I know is my fathers generation was very dismissive and naive about feminism. They underestimated how destructive it would be become.

[Opinion Owner]

@UncleJessieRabbit speaking of radicalism I regret not punching a disruptive radical political activist in the face when he disrupted me and other people just getting food at subway. He didn’t get physical but I wish he did. I would I have beat the living shut out of him.

[UncleJessieRabbit]

We could find some way to kill it like a massive solar flare would fry all communications and infrastructure which props of the stronger cultural power these movements have.

[UncleJessieRabbit]

*props up

[Anonymous]

There's no law on men's rights but there are laws on citizens rights and human rights.
Why should men have a law giving them other (more) rights than citizens and humans?

[ManOnFire]

Also a good point.

[ROCKS128]

I totally agree with no doubts.
Men created rights.
Men are giving too much to women.

Men dont realise their true form of value.
Man can be beyond anything!

[the-mad-german]

Victims are loser.

Im not a loser! Feminist are...

[ManOnFire]

Nice!👍

[Browneye57]

Reasonable.
Third wave feminism is about hating men. That is all.

[Lord_Thy_Gawd]

Lost me when you said men are mostly in control. Just because men are in some ways biased against other men, doesn't mean it isn't an issue worth addressing.

[Rudrid]

Then what is the purpose of democracy where men with bias can rule with authority greater than a king?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Just like feminism it's a lie. They're all about double standards. Downvoting this comment will just prove the double standards I'm talking about and I can already see it.

[John_Doesnt]

Most are paid by the right wing to distract people from all the horrible shit that Republicans are doing.

[Pulimuli]

Growing up and even until i was 30 i had never heard of mens right movements or that women had it better in todays society.

Only when i started looking it up on Youtube did i learn about it.

My life experience has mostly been very please t despite the 'gynocentric' society they say that we live in

[ryanq214]

I think you should watch the movie the red pill, that is an eye opener on some REAL problems that the men's rights movement want to deal with.

Such as men's sucidie's rate being MUCH higher than women's and the power women have when it comes to divorce and child custody.

That movie really blew my mind on some things

[ManOnFire]

It was actually on TV about a week ago in my area and I came in on the last 10 or 15 minutes.