Strange and Unfair Practices and Traditions That Women Have Been Subjected to

[Anonymous]

I've written about things like math, geo-politics, food, Art and Sexual Health. March 8th is coming, so I shall write something about the opposite sex for International Women's Day.

The society has been historically unfair and harsh to women. Illogical convictions, unfair treatment........things like that.

So here are a few historical and outrageous ones.

1. Unequal Rights

Before 1920, women were not allowed to vote because it was thought that women were not concerned with politics; and, they were already represented by their husbands. Women's were constrained as wives and mothers, not as citizens who engaged in politics.

2. Hysterical Society

Angry mobs with torches is a sight that will surely make you grab a machine gun.

Blaming 'witches' for misfortune and subjecting women to brutality was a very common sight in Europe and North America. The classical period of witchhunts in Early Europe and North America falls into the time period of 1500-1800 with cases of witch-hunt taking places in north america, even after 1900.

Over 200K women were labelled witches and burned, drowned, tortured and raped. And all that was because of fear and mass hysteria.

Not even young girls were spared.

3. Religious Oppression

4. Barbaric Traditions

Female genital mutilation is practised in 30 countries in western, eastern, and north-eastern Africa, in parts of the Middle East and Asia, and within some immigrant communities in Europe, North America and Australia.

No sharp object should ever touch one's genitals.

And this

Sati, was an Indian custom, calling the widow to incinerate herself with the funeral pyre of the husband.

Sati is a made up custom.

The vedic religion does not advocate Sati.

Practicing Sati, is illegal and is punishable by life imprisonment or death penalty by the law.

5. Gender pay gap

Ceiling effect against women is quite large in magnitude. Not just in America, but worldwide.

The World Economic Forum provides recent data from 2015 that evaluates the gender pay gap in 145 countries. Their evaluations take into account economic participation and opportunity, educational attainment, health and survival, and political empowerment.

This gap is the gap that is left when all other factors are adjusted for. For example, it is expected that someone who takes time off (eg. maternity leave) will not make as much as someone who did not take time off from work.

6. Human Trafficking

Vicious, inhuman and what not.

According to a UN report from 2012, there are 2.4 million people throughout the world who are victims of human trafficking at any given moment. In this annual US$32 billion industry, 80 percent of victims are being exploited as sexual slaves.

That's it folks! You've (probably) given a lot of time to this take.

Hope you liked it!

Note: Don't start calling me a feminist.

Also, I for some reason, the topic seems to be stuck at sexual behaviour.

[I-am-a-nobody]

Concerning #3
Religious Oppression
Jesus (in Christianity) teaches the ideal of one man and one woman marrying.
See Mark 10:7
Polygamous men could not serve as elders or deacons.
See I Timothy 3:2
Of course, there was polygamy in the first century AD and in times previous.
According to the Law of Moses
A widow would marry her husband's brother in order to survive.
Yes, believe it or not in 1500 BC, it was a hard life and women had a hard time living by their own means. Their only means of survival was often marriage or prostitution or the kindness of strangers (see Ruth).
Both parties in adultery were to be stoned, not just the woman. Thus an unjust situation in John 9.

Women did vote previous to 1920. I believe women had the right to vote in Wyoming first 1869. Others in US history have been restricted from voting.

Shocked at female genital cutting in US in 2011!
I'm sure there is slavery too in small (Muslim) enclaves.

The pay gap is phony, at least in the US.
I've been discriminated against as a man more than once.

Trafficking is detestable and happens with both sexes.

[Anonymous]

In the grand scheme of things, it really boils down to worldview. And worldview leads people to have values, and values produce beliefs and practices.

When worldviews clash, values clash. When values clash, beliefs and practices clash. It's culture shock. It's culture war. People are shocked and opposed to cultural practices different from their own and assume that their own culture is superior by X.

FYI: GirlsAskGuys will classify anything with "sex" in it as "Sexual Behavior". But don't worry. Someone manually fixes it, I think.

[Cccgala]

All points do make sense except Number 5. I don't believe in the gender pay gap at all and I think women should not feel belittled about it. If everyone's contributions really does matter in today's society, then I think this shouldn't be a problem.

I don't see it as a "wage" gap but rather an "earnings" gap. No, the two terms are NOT mutually intelligible because wages come from employment alone while earnings can root from both employment and other sources of income like a small business.

Saying that someone should earn equally for doing the same job is instant gratification at its finest. It's like a student demanding for high grades because he/she attends school everyday. As far as I know, how much one earns is dependent on his/her performance.

[myTake Owner]

Off course, performance = cash. But that's not what happens, at least not where I am from.
Here, a female highschool teacher earns significantly less than a male teacher. I can say that, because my mom is a teacher.
But that's just one case. This happens even in IT firms and business enterprises.

[Cccgala]

I see. If it's really true, then that's theoretically unfair. :(

[EndlessColor]

What teaching job does she have tho? Teacher's pay is dependent on what subject they are teaching, for example a math teacher would make more money than a P. E teacher. Or a Science teacher would make more than a History teacher.

[myTake Owner]

@EndlessColor Physics teacher at a Higher Secondary.

[Analinda1999]

#snap

;)

[Cccgala]

@Analinda1999 What is that supposed to mean?

[Analinda1999]

oh it was directed between endless and OP. :)

@What teaching job does she have tho? Teacher's pay is dependent on what subject they are teaching, for example a math teacher would make more money than a P. E teacher. Or a Science teacher would make more than a History teacher.

@EndlessColor Physics teacher at a Higher Secondary.

[hellionthesagereborn]

So this is completely inaccurate. Its basically saying that since women had to do things they where mistreated but then completely ingnoring all the insanely messed up things that where expected of men. I mean for instance voting, you completely ignored the fact that men couldn't vote for almost all of history. Isn't that a little bias? Men got the vote a whole 67 years before women did. Was that sexist? If so then was it sexist that men where for all of history forcibly conscripted into posses and search and rescues for the police, rescue teams and bucket brigades for fire and as soldiers for military? Because this is what men where expected to do, you did not have a say and in fact you would be punished if you did not go along with these things that would very likely result in you dying. Women never had to do that. Its also the only reason why men got the right to vote before women, they stated that they where contributing to the functioning of the government with their lives. Prior that only the rich could vote (in some states this did in fact include women). So isn't that sexist? I mean even more so then women not being able to vote since men couldn't vote but also had substantial more responsibilities then women did, ones that would cost them there lives. As for witchcraft, its true more women then men where accused but men where as well. The reason was that women tended to be at home more and thus where more able to do things without supervision unlike men who worked in groups out in the fields. Yes its pretty horrific but witchcraft trials where not common, it was not an every day occurrence, meanwhile how many women where hanged (they after passing out would be cut down to prolong the torture hence the legal judgment "hanged until dead" because death was not a necessary part of hanging) then dragged through the streets castrated (removal of testicals) and emasculated (removal of the penis) publically then where drawn (eviscerated, cutting of the abdomen and having there entrails pulled out) then quartered ( having each limb tied to a horse and then having the horses run in different directions ripping the person into four parts)? Next to none. How many women suffered one of those things? Again, very few. Times where brutal and hard but that doesn't mean women suffered more then men, in fact men still to this day suffer the brunt of that suffering as all statistics show.

[hellionthesagereborn]

As for circumcision, this is out right laughable. First a map of male circumcision just for comparison:
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As you may have noticed, while your map which goes as high as half the female population being circumcised you will notice the male one goes higher then 80%. You will also notice in every nation where female circumcision takes place male circumcision takes place and at higher numbers for the most part. You will also notice that its almost unheard of outside of Africa and parts of the middle east meanwhile there is not a single continent that does not have some degree of male circumcision and many that have significantly higher numbers (in the US where its illegal to circumcise women over 70% of men are circumcised (without anesthetic up until the past ten years and always on an infant who cannot consent unlike female circumcision which is usually a coming of age ritual and thus are able to consent (to some degree)).

[hellionthesagereborn]

Again where is the outrage at the significantly greater suffering that men face under these circumstances? No where to be found but the few women that are suffering we cannot seem to stop talking about. Also context is important, why was sati started (it was never a law by the way it was all voluntary)? Well after decades of married men dying due to poisoning the priest class suggested that since these wives who where clearly oh so upset about there husbands deaths, so upset that the moment they died from mysterious poisens they would run off and marry a lover almost immediately, that since they cared so much then the right thing for them to do would be to throw themselves on there husbands funeral pyre (it came from one of there myths I cannot remember which one). Suddenly after they said this married men stopped dying from these mysterious poisons. Context is very important here. Same goes for the gender pay gap (which is a myth).

[hellionthesagereborn]

When you adjust for personal choices made it disappears. I mean its funny we still talk about it even though women graduate college more frequently then men do and have lower drop out rates (due to the feminization of educational systems) and are actually beginning to earn more then men. Its also ironic since the only true pay gaps that we can find are in female dominated fields, like social work where women make a dollar more then men even though men are statistically more likely to travel further for higher paying work, more likely to work longer hours, work holidays and take fewer sick days, all of which should mean he would make more then a woman yet here in a female dominated field he makes less. There is of course modelling where women make 10 to 100x more money then men and stem fields where starting pay for women tends to be higher as highering quotas force companies to fight over the few women who enter these fields

[hellionthesagereborn]

which is ironic that we talk about women being the ones mistreated as we have no male highering quotas in female dominated fields like teaching even though we know that male students respond better to male teachers (and of course the sudden epidemic of learning disabilities seems to only apply to boys who make up 90% of all those with learning disabilities even though they where perfectly fine before. The drugging of boys is the norm but still we talk about how women have it worse). Boys are also in human trafficking, in fact many of the child prostetitus in the middle east like Afghanistan are boys (this is manly because of the sexist laws that demand that the eldest male provide for the family so the only way a nine year old can get a job and provide income is through sexs, all so he can support his perfectly capable mothers and sisters). Same goes for child soldiers, you don't see girls being forced into that.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Basically, we can keep saying that women are suffering and always suffered only as long as we continue to ignore the significantly greater suffering of men. Of course biologically we are wired to be less empathetic to men (as I think I was able to prove) and thus we will continue to baby and pamper women as men continue to suffer (men make up 75% of all suicides, 80% of the homeless, the vast majority of substance abusers, 98% of combat deaths, 97% of workplace accidents and deaths, they have no reproductive rights to speak of and very few paternity rights.).

[myTake Owner]

Next take will be about the struggles of men.

[hellionthesagereborn]

I also forgot to mention the "religious oppression", the reason why adultery was not applied to men as frequently to women is because marriage is a contract, the woman provides reproduction the man however does not, he provides resources. That's why it was tolerated in men (but not particularly liked) but not women. She was giving away the one thing she gave in the relationship, this is also why men suffered far more severly for abandoning there families then women did, because he was shirking his responsibility of providing and protecting. Its also why men who did not fight and die for women where shunned by the rest of society while women who abandoned there families and children to avoid harm where not really shunned, because it wasn't her responsibility to protect them it was his. Frankly I don't know why you would make this take because its so one sided and is something repeated so often yet the things men went through are completely ignored.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the feminist kool-aid
But these things are either not gender specific or they are simply untrue.

1. Before 1920, women were allowed to vote since 1869. They could also own land, and work. While some white men were unable to vote or own land, as well as race minorities. It was more about social stature than gender.

2. Although many of the witch hunts were majority female, there were males also killed and the hunts were different depending on the area they happened in. These hunts were not about hating on women, it was religiously geared ignorance that fueled fear.

3. Religious oppression does generally have suppression of women, generally because it's bronzed aged ignorance. Although religion suppresses many groups and things. Homosexuals, races, other religions. etc.

4. Genital mutilation is not gendered, it occurs with males more than it happens to women. It happens in tribes and 3rd world countries where the female mutilation is common, but it also happens to males in "civilized" societies, where it does NOT happen to girls.

5. Gender pay gap is simply nonsense, it has been shown as nonsense for decades. There is no validity to its claims outside feminist nonsense and when all factors are considered the "gap" they claim by comparing all male jobs vs all female jobs, goes away completely.

6. Human trafficking is not gendered. Males are trafficked just as often as females. The UN is not a valid source of unbiased information since it has shown it's gynocentric feminist colors quite clearly. When you ignore ALL male issues, it's easy to claim they are female only.

I won't call you a feminist, but I will conclude that you have to be indoctrinated by nonsense feminist rhetoric, most likely by the schools or some twat who has poisoned you with misinformation.

[myTake Owner]

Ahem... Travel to a 'third world country' someday.
I'm not ignoring male issues, but this take is about female issues. Maybe you should take trouble to post about the shit males see everyday.
I've written about one of the major male issues as well. www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a35278-the-pros-cons-some-notable-facts-about-male-circumcision
Call me ignorant or poisoned. But you will never know the conditions around the world unless you want to.

[Opinion Owner]

Don't use a 3rd world country as your scapegoat. Everyone knows that 3rd world countries are full of fucked up ideologies and traditions. NO ONE who uses this shit as a scapegoat ever actually goes there to do anything about it. They simply use it to push bullshit victimhood here in the western world. The truth is that western women are the most privileged and entitled group of humans to ever exist in human existence and we live in a gynocentric society. So regardless of the desperate need for pink downvoters to claim victimhood... unless they are posting from the Arab empire, they are NOT under privileged.

I have posted about shit males deal with every day, It's a much longer list than 6 items.
Our entire society has evolved around treating men like disposable units.
The concept of "women and children first" while men stick around to die has been around for eons. Men do the shit work women don't want to do. They do the deadly work women are afraid to do...

[Opinion Owner]

... Men are the ones who have built the society we live in.
But society doesn't give a shit about the men who keep civilization from falling apart.
This is why most homeless are men.
Men have no parental rights.
There are no shelters for male victims of women.
Male victims of female abuse and assault are generally ignored.
The school system is biased against men.
The legal system is biased against men.
There is much less funding for male health issues even if those issues kill more men than female health issue kill women.
Society and the media (generally feminist geared) target boys from an early age teaching them that they evil simply for being male.
All these items are why Men are the majority of suicides.

[vishna]

It's sad you took the time, intentional or not, to add a sort of disclaimer on why you chose to create a MyTake focusing on women's issues. Regardless, great MyTake. You have the guts to post on a site where a lot of boorish people will attack you, not your arguments.

[myTake Owner]

Thanks! I can notice many blue thumbs down on the simple, decent comments.

[Anpu23]

Stop with the propaganda. To look at only one gender is to get an uneven picture. Suffrage was a right that was denied to both women AND men, in England when the women got the vote 8 million men also got it, in America the vote came with selective service for WWI
The war on witches is also gender neutral in fact the word witch is specifically non gendered (wicce and Witta are the gendered pronouns) 9 million people were executed in Europe over witchcraft and many of them were men.
Ownership and chattel laws are also not one sided, the fact that you are not aware of how those laws worked shows
Male genital mutilation is not only practiced in every place that you mentioned it is also practiced in places that the other is not
Pay gap, this is such a misunderstood thing that I could write for days on it.
And boys are also sold on the black market...

[Tanuron]

Thank you for having some common sense, nice to see :).

[Anpu23]

@Tanuron thank you.

[1Anon]

I agree entirely!

[Chief16]

And yet today, women enjoy all the privileges and more that the very same men they diss on have strived to build. Have women struggled? Yes, it is the true, anyone who says otherwise is blindsided or a complete idiot.
But then so have men, but why don't we have a men's history month? We don't need one but, In the name of equality and all that bullshit?

[myTake Owner]

Yes, they enjoy privileges. It's really annoying. But I'm talking about the past not the fucked up present.

[TheDevilInside]

Some of these things are still going on dude... Maybe not in your part of the universe, but it still goes on.

[FallOutBoy2001]

Men's History month is every other month.

[Chief16]

@FallOutBoy2001 lol, of course it is.

[RandomBritishGuy94]

Not only can I not believe you put the "gender pay gap" in a list with human trafficking but that you're claiming women are the ones that suffer here? That's not an evil that cares about gender. It's like as you got to the end you ran out of things to say.

In 1918, in the UK, when women first got the vote so did 3 millions working class men. Those men were mostly the ones fighting on the front line in ww1. When they opened it up to allow the working class a vote it allowed the women's movement a much better chance at reform (and of course what they had been doing at home for the war effort pushed this foreword).

Sadly people don't learn about history this way and only see it through the women's prospective. History us rarely so straight foreword.

[myTake Owner]

You're talking about specific cases. Many countries pay women as low as 50% of men's pay. UAS was not enforced everywhere after 1920.

[RandomBritishGuy94]

It's not everywhere now but then neither is the male right to vote. So by your logic your own arguments fall apart as well unless you're going to give a specific case (e. g. America, uk etc). Worldwide true democracy is a minority government type.

[lumos]

Strange how mad men get when they're not included, yet feel no obligations to include women in similar takes or questions about men.
Y'all gotta learn that we should be able to talk about the problems women and men face and have faced, separately. This silly pissing contest of "oh YEAH? LOOK AT WHAT MY GENDER HAS GONE THROUGH!!!" is childish.

[TheDevilInside]

guys on gag are scum. Blue downvoters: wtf are you even doing on this take? Everything that is written on this take is true and if you have no vagina and not willing to empathize with those who do have vaginas, get the fuck out of this take instead of leaving your toxic downvote!!!

[lumos]

@TheDevilInside right? The downvoters just prove how pathetic, petty and childish they are.

[myTake Owner]

@TheDevilInside 'Guys on GaG are scum'?
I can assure you that on a take for men on men's day, there will be many pink thumbs down.
Both sides should be taken into consideration but this site is filled with genderists.

[TheDevilInside]

definitely more misogynists than misandrists though. I also block the feminazis by the way.

[Anonymous]

"This gap is the gap that is left when all other factors are adjusted for."

This ^^ is complete hogwash. Studies that ACTUALLY control for all the relevant factors find that women in the US earn within 1% - 3% of what men earn on average, in fact some studies have found women actually earn more. The "studies" that suggest women earn less than men don't even come close to factoring in all the relevant factors.

Stop perpetuating feminist lies.

www.cbsnews.com/.../

[TheDevilInside]

7. The expectation for women to be stay at home moms and give up all pursuit of an intellectual growth

[TheDevilInside]

fuck you blue downvoters. You're not a woman. You got no clue.

[TheDevilInside]

seeing how many of the blue commenters on this page are already on my blocked list, shows that many of the blue commenters butting in on an issue that is none of their business, are lowlife misogynists (I block mostly misogynists so I don't have to interact with them in the future), many of them like to cowardly hide behind the anonymous function. And possibly in their parent's basement too, with one hand down their pants gawking at starving russian models they could never lay their hands on.

[myTake Owner]

Well, almost everyone here seems self absorbed.
Many guys here have called me white knight feminist
but they have never seen what happens outside their country.
I've written about common male issues as well but I'm not allowed to analyze the issues of the other side.

[lumos]

@Oldchemical yeah, don't listen to them. They just wanna butt in and throw hissy fits for the sake of it, and not because there's an actual point behind all their bullshit.

[TheDevilInside]

@lumos They're forever alone misgynists. The kind that I always block even without having interacted with them. They will forever hate women. No matter what you say they won't change. Block them. Gotta block them all! To avoid something like what take owner experiences.

[lumos]

So sad that they just CAN'T see a take dedicated to women without being infuriated because men weren't included. Boo fucking hooo. So self-entitled.

[Kirah]

@TheDevilInside if you block everyone who disagrees with you, you're just creating a safe space. Not everyone who disagrees with you is automatically a misogynist.

[TheDevilInside]

@Kirah of course not. But I know a misogynist when I see one.

[Tanuron]

Sadly I feel like this will just reinforce the already one sided illusions. Like with Nr 4 for example "barbaric tradition" , ignoring how rampant it is for the opposite gender. Even in their own country like America.

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[myTake Owner]

www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a35278-the-pros-cons-some-notable-facts-about-male-circumcision

[Tanuron]

wow, you actually written a piece on it and yet dont realise how messed up it is?, like with your ending conclusion, "left up to the parents" basically they can choose if they want to mutilate their kid or not, like its supposed to be okay if they choose to do it. Like sure, if a consenting adult choose to do it, sure, you are a grown as man to make that decision for yourself, but to have the choice removed, to do it on a innocent baby even, man just sickening.

[myTake Owner]

*Sigh* You didn't even give the take a proper look.
There can be 1-40% chance of complications, varying by patients.
The chances of complications are the highest when the penis is fully developed. That's why males are mostly circumcised within a month after birth.
While anesthesia can be administered during the procedure, the pain after the surgery is still a lot.
The problem is, that we don't have any safe, less painful and quicker method, so that hasty decision by parents can be avoided.

[Tanuron]

Oh yes, I read the whole thing. I did notice you tried to take both sides into consideration, but certainly dont agree with that conclusion, other than yes, there is no good reason to do Circumcision. Which also, one of these complications is also death, babies die from the procedure too every year. But dosent sound like you get it really. Like above, you easily use words like "barbaric tradition" yet this is too a barbaric tradition when both are indeed genital mutilation, neither should really be accepted.

[datgirl]

Great take! Not a lot of men are willing to acknowledge the struggles women have gone through or are going through. So, this is quite refreshing I gotta say.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Fewer women are willing to acknowledge the struggles men have and continue to go through. All of this take awas BS which took everything out of context. Not one bit of it was actually valid.

[datgirl]

See what I mean? ^^ smh.

[hellionthesagereborn]

yeah that wasn't actually a rebuttel. Saying I'm right and any one who disagrees is wrong isn't actually an argument. In my post I point out everything wrong with each point. Historically its inaccurate, claiming women couldn't vote but then ignoring the fact that men couldn't either for instance, why don't we talk about that? Especially since to this day the only way men get the right to vote is if they sign up for selective services (its also the only way they can get a license state/federal loans and government work) meanwhile women get the right to vote for free, so again why won't we acknowledge the struggles men go through? Circumcision is rare for women and common with men as I actually linked to a map showing that in every nation that female circumcision exist male circumcision is more common yet in countries that have barred female circumcision male circumcision is legal. So why are we not addressing that?
How is that not sexism?

[datgirl]

@hellionthesagereborn dude, go cry somewhere else. I'm personally not interested in reading what you have to say. This is a post about women. If you wanna cry about yourself and gender than make your own post and stop making it about yourself. You and men like you gotta quit this shit, seriously. You're 32.. for crying out loud.

[applesandoranges22]

WOW! when someone actually talks about how inaccurate this post is all you have to say is ''go cry somewhere else'' him and other men are not the real problem here. its people like you who are presented facts, and it goes out the other ear. You are 21, with the thought process of a 15 year old.

[applesandoranges22]

And people are not willing to acknowledge it because its false, not because we are men. But again, thanks for just confirming how primitive your thought process is.

[datgirl]

@applesandoranges22 blocked :) I'm sorry I just don't have the interest in hearing you "men" wail. Go lick your wounds elsewhere.

[blutwolfe]

responding to your comment its based at sexual behavior, is because it pretty much is because it was more common for guys to have power over sex, afaik

the thing that got me though was that practice 'sati', very similar to the norse tradition tho, basically wife jumps on the pyre, is punishable by death? She's already dead tho maybe i misread it

[myTake Owner]

I think the words got mixed up.
The punishment of for the family members.

[pooper89]

Women were considered second class citizens for centuries and had no authority/rights on anything. In some counties they're still treated that way.
The guys on this site are such whiny bitches.

[Kirah]

Two wrongs don't make a right. Sexism is not justifiable, and "b-but muh oppresshun!!" is not a good reason to treat men badly.

[Anonymous]

Yes women are the victims. They can do no wrong. Nor have they ever done wrong. They are saints. And angels. And goddesses. Men are devils and demons. Their useless. And always have been useless. Totally unfair barbaric monsters. They deserve to be burned / destroyed and eliminated. As a matter of fact the next man I see is outta here. So mirrors.

[myTake Owner]

I beg your forgiveness.

[Opinion Owner]

For what? I mean either you're a troll of need some dildos tossed up your ass. You're obviously trapped in a male body so it's no big deal. Forgiveness is not necessary.

[myTake Owner]

If I could, I'd send a drone and blow you to a thousand pieces.

[Opinion Owner]

I'm sure.

[Anonymous]

You forgot the best one -- Footbinding in East Asia. That's how women deserve to be treated!!

Sati is an Indo-European practice recorded in Germanic and Celtic peoples as well. It is mentioned in the Vedas in a verse called the SATI HYMN which is to be recited during the practice itself. The practice is also sanctioned by a large number of other Hindu texts.

[myTake Owner]

Which Ved? Which text sanctions this practice?
Deanon yourself and explain.

[Opinion Owner]

Your religion is not Hinduism... it is FEMINISM... you are a feminist first, then a Hindu or whatever. A traitor.

Women's liberation has led to the oppression of men and 2nd class status. Almost all religions/cultures/philosophies around the world are right about these cunts.

[myTake Owner]

Request google to satellite search your brain. You must have dropped it somewhere. Go troll someone else.

[Imhotep99]

Good take. I'm expecting another take from you which is about problems men face.

[myTake Owner]

I've written one about circumcision. Maybe I'll write something soon.

[myTake Owner]

www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a35278-the-pros-cons-some-notable-facts-about-male-circumcision
You might disagree with the conclusion.

[Imhotep99]

And why did I get two little pink downvotes? Oh, it's the feminazis. They always have problems.
I agree with the conclusion. It's necessary only if it's a medical issue.

[lumos]

"They always have problems"
... said the guy who came to a take about women to whine about the fact that there should be a take about men? Can you be more of a hypocrite?

[Imhotep99]

@lumos And does that mean I'm not allowed to talk about men's issues on a take which addresses women's issues? I didn't bash women for anything. Can you be any more triggered?

[lumos]

But why feel the need to bring up men's issues on a take that has nothing to do with men's issues? That's like saying you can't write about lions without mentioning tigers or some shit because they're both big cats. People are allowed to write a take on whatever the fuck they want, without having people come and complain about the fact that they didn't pic another topic. Write your own take about men's issues if it's so important to you. Otherwise you're whining for no reason.

[Imhotep99]

@lumos "People are allowed to write a take on whatever the fuck they want, without having people come and complain about the fact that they didn't pic another topic."
And I'm allowed to comment whatever the fuck I want without having triggered people come and bash me for no reason. My comment isn't anti-women/misogynistic in any way.

[lumos]

No. But it's veeeery typical of men to always come and whine about takes that are about women specifically. It's like so many men have an OCD and you just can't let it be when something is written or dedicated to women. Everything has to be about men too. And it's reaaally tiring :)

[lumos]

written about*

[myTake Owner]

@lumos Easy there! @Imhotep99 is not complaining or whining. Its just about considered both sides.
There will be takes about men's issues on men's day and I'm sure some crazy ladies will write 2500 letter rebuttals on reasonable points.

[lumos]

I seriously doubt women will care about writing rebuttals unless what you write is completely ridiculous. Which I doubt since this take was very level-headed.
Demanding a take about men's rights on a take that has nothing to do with them is very whiny.

[Imhotep99]

@lumos Oldchemical mentioned somewhere that he might write a take on men's issues. So I said I'm "expecting it". I won't expect it from him if he doesn't want to.

[Kirah]

The pay gap isn't real. At least, not in Western countries.

I agree that women were under-privileged back in the day. But today, men and women are mostly equal.

[MlleCake]

The U. S. Department of Labor official recognizes the gender pay gap and has done so under Republican and Democratic administrations alike. For about the past 60 years.

blog.dol.gov/2012/06/07/myth-busting-the-pay-gap
https://fortune.com/2016/04/12/equal-pay-day-facts/

[Kirah]

@MlleCake both of your sources fail to account for various factors (they're both sensationalist articles). Namely, the amount of hours worked, career choices, maternity leave, and part-time vs. full-time. None of those are accounted for, apart from hours worked sometimes.

If women were consistently paid less, then why are childless women aged 25-29 earning more than their male counterparts?

Don't downvote opinions just because you disagree with them.

[MlleCake]

Forgive me if I choose to believe the Department of Labor's statistics over right-wing propaganda. Did you bother to read anything else the DOL has put out on the pay gap? They have done quite exhaustive research and explain it fairly well. Your assertion that they haven't taken other things into consideration is fatuous.

[MlleCake]

freakonomics.com/.../
www.theatlantic.com/.../
web.stanford.edu/.../gender_research.pdf

Here's economists, respected journalists and a university's take.

I can cite appropriate sources all day long. Your denial doesn't change the facts.

[kickme]

@MlleCake there is no pay gap, fact is, less women are less economically motivated or under as much pressure to earn. Most of the female the engineers where I work are "working toward" the day when thier husbands get a promotion and they can switch to part time

[MlleCake]

@kickme yes, keep reciting more right-wing nonsense at me.

[kickme]

@MlleCake more women choose family over career. Single women with no kids are higher paid than married men. check it out

[MlleCake]

@kickme The gender pay gap has been researched by 1000s of economists. It's not a fiction. I have done my research. You have listened to biased sources who see treating women fairly as a threat to their status. You don't seem to have any notion that you don't have a leg to stand on.

[Kirah]

@MlleCake not everything that you disagree with is "right-wing propaganda". None of those studies you linked properly account for all the factors.

There is no pay gap, and you are stupid if you think otherwise.

[kickme]

researched by thousands of 1000's of economists who can gain fame by sensationalizing a fake pay gap. No one prevented you from becoming a leading heart surgeon. if you are a cutting edge heart surgeon who successfully advances the field, your gender does not effect your pay. Same if you are an engineer, lawyer, etc.

If male lawyers make more it is because they are doing a better job. No one can cause male lawyers to win more trials.

[kickme]

enough already. I'm exhausted from this bullshit. Sexism and racism are only alive today because of the non stop whining about it. Everyone would be treated based on their ability if women and black s quit whining how they need special treatment

[Iraqveteran666]

All except the Gender pay gap which has been debunked.

[myTake Owner]

reports.weforum.org/global-gender-gap-report-2015/

[Iraqveteran666]

https://youtu.be/uPaIqXAYk1M

[myTake Owner]

Travel outside the UK someday.

[Iraqveteran666]

I'm in America.

[Kirah]

@Oldchemical there is no gender pay gap in Western civilization. If it's such a problem in other countries, maybe feminists should go campaign THERE. But that would force them to leave their safe space.

[myTake Owner]

@Kirah There is significant gap in Asia, SA and Africa. And there is no need for the feminist to come running, the govt of the countries must review the salaries.

[Iraqveteran666]

@Kirah they do love their safe spaces lol