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The Importance and Meaning of the Second Amendment (Page 2)
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it's important to protect oneself
Pretty sure we need to remove this amendment from the constitution.
Yea, that will never happen.
In'shallah it will, brother.
Or at least some reasonable gun control laws to make sure things like Sandy Hook don't happen again.
"Reasonable" gun laws? Almost all the proposed gun control laws are just plain stupid. Even some that currently on the books is pointless.
Sounds like we need to follow Australia and... the rest of the 1st world and get rid of a lot of guns, then. I like your style.
I am guessing you want to start a civil war. Because that is what will happen if you pass those types of laws.
All wars are civil wars, because all men are brothers, brother.
You're a fellow earth-child, we don't need war.
You and me, we'll keep protesting and voting until our country adopts gun control laws like we see in the successful countries in the world, like Sweden. I like your style, thisperson98.
Half of the gun owners wouldn't give up their guns without a fight. So it doesn't really care what law you pass, if it takes away people's guns, then there will be a civil war.
Don't let the hatred in, friend. You and me are looking for the same thing, peace on earth and nice, communal living. I'm no law maker and neither are you, why don't we drink some Yerba Matte tea and sing songs around a campfire? You don't want to fight in a war, do ya?
I enjoy the peaceful and pacifist vibes you give off, Thisperson98.
Go ahead and arm yourself to the teeth, you won't be a match for the United States Military, not even close.
You'd have to be incredible to even last against the police once they focus on you. Don't kid yourself, you're not going to revolt and if you do then in all sincerity, you are dead.
Dude, if the people ever overthrow the government, it won't be just one person. It will be millions. And most likely the military would split as well.
Like you're going to get millions of Americans to give up their comfortable, peaceful lives to revolt? Come on man, humans have never had it easier, violence over the globe is at an all time low despite what the media tells you and technology improves people's lives more and more as the years go on.
The government is never going to violate people's rights so much that they'll revolt. The government will do all it can to serve itself, but it'll make sure the average person is comfortable enough to prefer inaction.
But the reason for the second amendment is so if the government does violate our rights, we can overthrow the government. And yes, there are modern governments that are becoming tyrannical. Just look at Turkey.
Dude I've been telling this to people forever. Americans are a bunch of sissies they won't ever revolt. The government walks all over them. They haven't done shit and won't ever do shit about it.
Even if they tried the DOD would squash it in 30 minutes
@Stmarco the DOD wouldn't be able yo squash a couple million people in 30 minutes.
Wouldn't take long. Bunch of rednecks with ARs and 12 gauges. That'll be over in a week
Also as previously mentioned not that many people are going to rebel. Organization will be bad also. Logistics are going to be a problem.
Eh. I am against the usage of guns, but if I lived in U. S., I would probably buy one. The problem is, since the market in your country is so accessible, criminals can access to them as well, meaning that I would need one myself.
it is not a right in the constitution to take up arms against the government under any circumstance.
The dec of independence, federalist papers or what ever other idealist document you want to draw ideas from doesn't matter.
I never said the constitution gives you the right to overthrow the government. I said the second amendment was put in there in case if we ever have to. The founding fathers all believed the people have the right to overthrow their government if it became tyrannical.
But since there is no right to do so... it doesn't matter what they believed or didn't believe.
I'm must say you have a one track mind buddy lol
Do you talk about anything else besides the second amendment lol
I'm both pro guns and pro gun control
I have guns... nobody will take them.
Don't be confusing the antis with facts.
The Founding Fathers never imagined having to (because who could?) manage 300 million people. They were long dead before the United States even hit several million.
Buy you logic your not talking about guns you talking about fighter jets and nuculer missiles so you think Americans should be allowed to buy those to
I don't have a problem if people want guns.
The purpose of it is to protect yourself, NOT to GO ON A KILLING SPREE
And when did I say the purpose wasn't to protect yourself?
I'm just saying, the right to own a gun, doesn't give you a right to go on a shooting spree
Where's that in the 2nd amendment?
@jacquesvol in the 2nd amendment it says the people have a right to have guns.
Notice the first three words:
“A WELL REGULATED”
There is a reason they put that first.
And well-regulated didn't mean government regulations back then. It meant functional, organized, etc...
Well regulated simply means when the time strikes there's a leader and somebody gives the call to arms. The Minutemen and colonial army were not very organized at all, the only thing "regulated" about them was they were all fighting on the same side.
Your current gun owner is much better trained and regulated as an average civilian than they were.
This short video will explain why you are wrong about the meaning of "A well regulated".
www.youtube.com/watch
And now we have mass shootings. Yes!
That has nothing to do with the second amendment.
So did the Soviets. Only, the victims were forbidden to shoot back. Your argument is invalid.
@ObscuredBeyond Props on that one... good job, and excellent point.
Well like it's said in the gun community.
In an armed society there's a pile of bodies.
In a unarmed one there's a literal mountain of them.
Mao alone killed countless millions
Hitler did the same thing he disarmed those who would be a threat to him then he tried to exterminate them.
Stalin murdered millions of his own as well.
I'll take a few hundred of thousand a year, over countless millions.
@Phoenix98 My 12 yr old cousin was shot and killed. I'm over guns. I'm over people dying ijn what are supposed to be safe governments becausr gun laws aren't strict enough.
But people from certain countries can't come here. A wall needs to be built. America is a danger to itself.
*safe enviornments
You can't prevent people who want to commit a crime. That is why more gun laws are useless.
Sorry to hear that but doesn't change my answer, that's life it's dangerous, people will always be hurt and killed, the world is full of bad people.
You have a right to be upset but you don't have a right to dictate my rights.
My ex died from a heroin overdose. Heroin is already illegal. Police take 8 minutes to find an address and come to the rescue. Skilled burglars take 4 seconds to destroy a door. Trying to use your cousin as leverage = complete fail.
"That has nothing to do with the second amendment"
of course it has. by making firearms easily accessible to all the people, you increase the risk that these mass shootings happen and how severe the outcome of these is. People always say "it's the people that kill people, not the guns"... yeah, but those guns are the tools needed to kill and the crazy people exist in other western countries too but we have way fewer problems with it than the US. Strict gun laws might not be the final solution to the problem, but they help for sure. If an attacker has only a a knife or a small handgun at most instead of 20 rifles, shotguns etc, then the damage he can do is way lower. And if he has to get them illegally, then the risk of catching him before is always much higher. More guns and easier access to them causes more deaths. And the second amendment ensures exactly this. So it's hard to understand how anyone can say that there is absolutely no relation between the two.
@Yumix actually handguns are as deadly as rifles in close range. Also without guns, they would just use trucks or bombs. They even have used airplanes in the past. Also, not too long ago Paris had a mass shooting that was much more deadly, with a gun that is banned in the EU.
@Yumix also only way people get caught with illegal guns is if it was by coincidence. Most illegal guns are caught at traffic stops and only then do they really only find them if they search their vechile, which they need probable cause to do.
You're comparing apples with oranges. Yeah they are as deadly on close range... but in many shootings you don't stand next to each other. Las Vegas is a perfect example of that. How many people do you think he could have killed with a small handgun from up there?
And you're comparing a huge terrorist organization with the everyday gun violence you see in the US? Or building bombs which needs a lot of technical knowledge if you don't wanna blow up yourself or make it work? Or hijacking a plane? Sry, but it's ridiculous to justify it like that.
Take away the thing people use to kill = less killings.
@ObscuredBeyond Sorry to hear about ypur ex but she did that to herself. No one forced her to use the heroin. So using that was a fail.
The person who killed my cousin used his constitutional right to a gun to infringe on my cousins natural right to live.
Also, UK murder rate didn't decrease after the ban on guns so, taking away guns in the UK didn't help with the murder rate. Also, the founding fathers thought owning a gun was a natural right.
Wrong. The number of firearm injuries has dropped almost every year since since then, from 96 fatal firearm injuries per year in 2001/2002 to 19 in 2014/2015. Of course there is some fluctuation but it's clearly going down.
Oh someone thought it's their right to wear a weapong hundreds of years ago? Yeah and others thought that black people should be slaves, women shouldn't have any rights and that we should burn people because they might be witches. Why have we only stopped with that?
@Yumix I didn't say the firearm murder rate stayed the same. I said the overall murder rate stayed the same.
@Yumix the founding fathers debated about slavery a lot. Some found slavery to be terrible. But all of the founding fathers believed in the right to own guns.
www.nma.gov.au/.../port_arthur_massacre
@RachelleDraws and how does that have anything to do with the topic?
Gun control worked in Australia.
@RachelleDraws I don't even know the statistics, but where I'd look first is rise in knife or other sorts of violent crime... or for instance no change in the frequency of violent crime at all.
Take the guns out of the equation... wouldn't people still kill people, and the guns didn't do the killing on their own.
Now I have no idea, as I said, if I'm right or wrong about that... but as someone that doesn't know, I'd look at that before I blame guns for the crime.
@D_Bone_Steak : Cain killed Abel with a rock. McVeigh used fertilizer. The Australian government uses bad legislation to commit murder. Dueterte in the Philippines once encouraged civilians to do in druglords "through any possible means, turning them in dead or alive."
Homicidal savagery is part of a curse on the very essence of the human condition. The reason everyone picks on guns, is because cartridges can be controlled. The human heart, however, is often an un-tamable cesspool of venom.
@D_Bone_Steak People would still kill people, but guns make it easier to do this, and statistics show this. Guns also make up a large number of accidental deaths. Guns are a problem not just because they cause suicide and murder, they're a problem because they make it more deadly.
It'd important to protect yourself
That would excuse ALL kind of armed insurrection and even political assassination.
What if Black Panters or BLM reads this?
Not really. The thing the founding fathers said is the people have the right collectively to overthrow the government. But for this to be possible the people must have the individual right to own guns.
en.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots
All justified thus, according to the tea party interpretation
Show me where those attempts had the will of the people backing them.
A part of the people's will, yes.
No, it has to be more than just a extremely small amount of people.
Organize a referendum before a political assassination attempt?
Success.
How does organizing a referendum have anything to do with this?
@Thisperson98
To determine if the *majority* wants the POTUS to be assassinated, of course. Otherwise Black Panters or KKK can decide and do it alone.
Yawn... all right man.