My Harsh Words For Trump’s New Law -and those that agree with it

[Anonymous]

I am a nurse assistant in a tough unit of a large hospital. I love my job. I can't see myself doing anything other than working in the medical field because this is what I was born for. I am not going to sugar coat it. Like I said, it’s tough. I have previous experience working in a nursing home but this unit is a whole different ball game. I love my coworkers and sometimes, eating In n Out with them in the break room at 2 am, is the only thing getting me through my shift. Or getting breakfast after our shift. I am not against putting vodka in my orange juice at 10 am.

I have cared for homeless people, transgender people, a man who groped me, religious radicals, dying men and women, gay men and women, mentally ill people, a woman who almost stuck me with a dirty needle, bisexual men and women, rapists, pedophiles, murderers, people who attempted to physically assault me or my coworkers, gang members, prostitutes, racists, etc. I think you get it now. Point is I care for all people from all walks of life. My job is not to judge my patients actions, lifestyle, or feelings. My job is to lift the sick and heal the broken.

So I think you can imagine I was horrified when I saw the new law Trump quietly signed. This law allows medical workers to refuse care to patients on the grounds of “religious liberty” or whatever the fuck religious people will use to validate this.

If you call yourself a Christian and you honestly think it's okay for a healthcare professional to not care or treat a patient simply because of their sexuality or gender identity, then I highly doubt there is a place in heaven for you. The fact that Trump signed this into law, means he is okay with it. And well I already said what I needed to say about those are okay with this.

And as for healthcare workers who refuse patients on any grounds, get the fuck out of this field. If I can care for a man who tried to kill me, you can care for someone who calls themselves female when they have a penis.

It’s too bad the law is above the Hippocratic Oath. However, I can assure you all right now, that this CNA will not turn anyone away. Ever. Of course because of the Hippocratic Oath, they can lose their jobs. Because of Trump, it won't beyond that and they will get away with murder.

How would religious people feel if we turned the tables and didn't do CPR on a dying person? See if your God saves you then.

Or to put in a way Trump supports should understand, I think I’m gonna sign up as a police officer. Oh but my religion forbids me from arresting people. But still I’m gonna patrol the roads and check out for criminals. Trump will surely protect my religious rights too. Right?

Right?

Hello?

This isn't as simple as wedding cakes and gay weddings anymore. Now the LGBT community’s health is at risk. Way back when, and by that I mean 50 years ago, if you were black or a person of color, a white hospital could refuse them because they’re racist. Well, it appears those days are back. I hope all of you who voted for Trump are fucking happy as you sit in your hatred and ignorance.

[ladsin]

Haha you seem very passionate and I get it, I got really upset when I first saw it as well, but after looking more into it I'm not so worried about this current piece of legislation, but how it's going to be interpreted and the slippery slope that I think is justifiably worrying. I said much the same thing when I first saw it, but was later clarified and read the legislation.

That said thanks for doing what you do! My ex is a nurse, and I worked at the hospital's psychiatric facility and agree that no healthcare professional worth their salt could refuse to care for someone on most any basis.

[myTake Owner]

Thats the main focus in this my take but another reason I am so passionate is because I have been denied a sterilization surgery, so I never become pregnant. Too many doctors think I will change my mind. Of course, the doctor couldve easily said, “no” but every doctor I talked to, always had a smug smile and insisted I would change my mind. I figured the healthcare aspect would be easier to defend. Another reason is that I refuse to put that I am atheist on paperwork when I am at the doctors office. Doctors are supposed to be professional, but if they're not they probably won't be fired because they're a specialist in what they do.

[ladsin]

Was that before or after this recent legislation?

[myTake Owner]

Before. And I know many, many people who have also been refused,

[ladsin]

Yeah, so this legislation won't change that. This just seems to give more power, or raise the possibility that people can be denied on the basis of...

[vishna]

I don't understand how someone could succeed or have any respect in their field if they refused a patient based based on 'religious reasons'.

[madhatters4]

hail hail the mother of dragons, breaker of chains

[TadCurious]

I appreciate your passion as a health care professional for caring for your patients. That is to be celebrated. But I have to take issue with many inaccuracies in your myTake.
President Trump hasn't signed any new law. What the Secretary of Health and Human Services has done is propose a new agency regulation that will be submitted for public comment. That proposed new regulation is based on the authority granted to the Department of Health and Human Services to enforce ALREADY EXISTING LAWS passed by previous Congresses (on a bi-partisan basis) and signed into law by presidents of both parties. Those laws provide conscience protections to health care providers who are paid in part with taxpayer funds or who work at federal health care facilities. Doctors and nurses who as a matter of conscience object to performing abortions are protected by these laws. Similarly, doctors who are ethically and morally opposed to performing mutilating "sex reassignment surgery" are protected by these laws from being forced to do so. There are good reasons for that. Many doctors of conscience view giving so-called "transgender" people the hormones of the opposite sex as unethical. Similarly, many doctors of conscience view mutilating the otherwise healthy bodies of these people to be just that: mutilation. And they are also cognizant of the fact that suicide rates are higher for these individuals who have undergone so-called "sex reassignment surgery." So no, President Trump has not signed any new law. His administration is simply taking measures to enforce laws protecting conscience that are already on the books, and which the Obama administration chose not to abide by.

[love_conquers_lust]

If you love your job, what are you doing drinking on it? Which is a terminable offense.

I think you're pissed off that you're forced to care for people you'd personally refuse if it weren't for your hospital's code of ethics. I bet Whites are on that list.

"However, I can assure you all right now, that this CNA will not turn anyone away. Ever." That's good to hear. And you will continue to do so. Lucky for you the burden of ethical admitting in your hospital rests on someone else's shoulders (who's had far more experience and education) so you don't have to worry about it. You don't like it, resign just like the Gynecologist example you threw around. CNA training is maybe a month. It takes over a decade to become a doctor. You need perspective.

[myTake Owner]

My coworkers and I go for drinks after work. Holy fuck that's a new level of stupid.

[myTake Owner]

Never said I don't like it I just wasn't sugar coating it. Working in healthcare is not like running through a fuckin meadow. I have held the hands of dying men whose family never bothered to come say goodbye. I took a semester long course to be a CNA and then took my board exams. I can refuse any patient I want, I just choose not to because they're my patient. You need that stick up your ass surgically removed. Do you want me to get you in touch with a surgeon? I know a few.

[love_conquers_lust]

"My coworkers and I go for drinks after work. Holy fuck that's a new level of stupid." Is that what you meant when you talked about spiking your orange juice at 10am? Most nursing schedules I know run 6-6 unless you're doing 8 hours but even then the shifts don't get off around 10 am. Going into work intoxicated is terminable too.

You're not demonstrating a caring attitude here. You are judged by how well you treat those you don't have to. And judging by how you are ripping through these comment sections insulting people, I'd say the results are pretty clear.

www.allnursingschools.com/.../ 4-12 weeks.

You mistake me. I've worked in an urban hospital even lower than you as a transporter. I know about what goes on. And I've shadowed multiple specialties.

[love_conquers_lust]

" I can refuse any patient I want, I just choose not to because they're my patient" Oh yeah? On what grounds? If it's not a matter of capability or an IDLH, I wager you don't have near as much latitude as you advertise. The charge nurse assigns, not you.

"I have held the hands of dying men whose family never bothered to come say goodbye." I get it. It sucks. It's dehumanizing. Take solace in the fact that you eased that man's passing by extending him that act of kindness. I didn't like pushing around deceased patients to the morgue, but the reward of knowing that I was doing my part along with the upbeat attitude of my coworkers helped me deal with everything undaunted. Take it in stride, hope for the best.

Trump's legislation is primarily about abortion. You didn't like attending that dying man just like physicians don't like killing the unborn. Those people carry an unbelievable burden that supporting staff members just don't.

[myTake Owner]

Chill dude. The whole vodka in orange juice was a joke. "Most schedules?" Who gives a shit about schedules only you have heard of. I get off at 7 am and only go for drinks after if it's my Friday. If it's not, then I head home to get sleep for my next shift. I have a different persona on the internet because people on the internet are jackasses and you need to stand up for yourself because no one will do it for you. How long have you been transporter? Don't answer because I don't give a shit. Point is you've stayed a transporter and never advanced? Kind of, sort of, absolutely pathetic. I've shadowed people too. I shadowed a surgeon.

[myTake Owner]

Now I can go talk to my charge and the charge will reassign. I have it before because I wanted a section I was more comfortable on. Fetus is not the same as a baby. But let's stay on topic. It astounds me how ignorant people are about abortion. Tons of women take the abortion pill. They just go home swallow the pill, and bleed out the fetus. Now you want to play nice? Buzz off.

[love_conquers_lust]

"I have it before because I wanted a section I was more comfortable on. " And just what made you uncomfortable?

Yeah, women take a pill which induces miscarriage. If it's so convenient, why are you in such an uproar about doctors/hospitals refusing procedures? Some people don't like sucking a tiny moving person the size of a pea that has a heartbeat through a tube. Some people don't like throwing off someone's hormones rendering it lifeless. I think it's naive to deny women a choice, you can't stop them. But I don't think governments should subsidize it nor should insurance companies pro-rate the cost across their pool. Pay for it yourself. And I think there should be mutual consent pending a paternity test with the father, rape warrants exemption of power of attorney. AND hospitals should still be allowed to deny it. If they want to lose business, that is THEIR business. You're talking about $300+ per procedure. Millions are performed every year.

[love_conquers_lust]

You want to impose ethical standards? Open up your own practice. Just because as a customer you demand something doesn't mean anyone's under obligation to supply it. Killing the unborn violates the Hippocratic oath and goes against doctrine in certain religions.

[love_conquers_lust]

"Paying for a $500 abortion is a hell of a lot better than the kid being a burden on taxpayer money for 18 years because the mom can't afford it." Oh I'm much worse to you than a dipshit. I don't think the welfare should be funded either. You know what's cheaper, healthier, and 100% effective, closing your legs or doing what women have been charged with doing for thousands of years in selecting a mate.

But what do you mean they can't afford it? I thought women were equal and needed no man. Surely you can survive on your own without cozying up to big daddy Uncle Sam.

Good science describes it as it is. It takes no sides in the ethics of it. We're not talking about gametes, we're talking about a zygote which technically is NOT of the mother's body nor her DNA, it is it's own living organism merely residing in her. That excuse doesn't fly with me.

[love_conquers_lust]

As far as your doctor comments, I refer you to my previous comments. It would asinine to terminate doctors in todays market on your reasoning.

[love_conquers_lust]

"Its extremely unprofessional to force personal views on patients." There's no personal view being forced on patients. That's a lie. What IS being forced is doctors required by law to perform something they don't believe in. THAT'S forcing a personal view of patients on doctors. Unethical.

[myTake Owner]

Thats nice dear. We are so off topic because you keep veering off subject and just blatantly ignoring what I literally just said because you realized you jumped to conclusions. Like what? Working in healthcare is not like running through a meadow! Crazy talk. Or what I only drink on weekends and never when before or during a shift? More crazy talk. You just decided to jump to conclusions. This has been fun but I think you should go find someone else to put on your hook. I also love that you use all caps. I can almost taste your immaturity.

[myTake Owner]

Seriously that was fun. Even when I tell people that I have a different persona online, they still fall for it. Hook, line, sinker.

[love_conquers_lust]

You're being tyrannical. And not just to me. You complain about doctors reserving the right to refuse service and then boast how you have the same right yourself. That's the issue and topic here. Selfish. What makes you so special that you get the right and they don't? Be consistent. I trust a doctor to make that decision over a CNA.

Sexuality is not a protected class and transgenders are crying about gender identity. Some doctors don't want to waste time on elective procedures like abortions or gender reassignment surgery. We... have... a... shortage. There are people with genuinely life-threatening and debilitating conditions that needs to be focused on.

I've moved on from your "joke" about drinking, that's why I asked for clarification. Hence the questions. Questions aren't conclusions. But you don't want to allow it and instead hide behind a "persona".

As far as maturity. Read your own replies with their insults, condescensions, and self-victimizations.

[love_conquers_lust]

I tried empathizing, you rejected it and threw it in my face. You don't want discussion, you want other people to feel bad and sorry for you.

I don't believe you when you say you love your job and then not sugar coat it with your description like you're some martyr for doing what you were paid to do. Like other people have told you, no one asked for your life story.

[Waffles731]

"that what you meant when you talked about spiking your orange juice at 10am? Most nursing schedules I know run 6-6 unless you're doing 8 hours but even then the shifts don't get off around 10 am. Going into work intoxicated is terminable too."
Literally all the nurses I know work weird ass hours.
That will happen when a hospital needs to have enough to staff the hospital at all hours of a day

[myTake Owner]

@Waffles731 right? That was the weirdest point. I work night shift and I am very much off by 6 am. And even more so by 10 am.

[myTake Owner]

You were never empathetic. Try rereading "You need perspective " coming from you. Doing what I am paid to do is literally the definition of a job. Don't like it, don't read it. Simple.

[myTake Owner]

I just re-read your comments when were you ever empathetic?

[love_conquers_lust]

You don't know what empathy is, do you. Do not mistake empathy for appeasement, which is what "literal" @Waffles731 is doing. You do need perspective. You are a CNA, you don't bark orders at doctors or your employers. I know you don't do it, it's the opposite all shift long for you.

I think what you can't grasp is people can have similar experiences to yours and cope with it differently. I did not drink when I would swing shifts, that makes things worse for your body.

"Don't like it, don't read it. Simple." I bet it's anything but simple. You're looking to vent and fight anyone who disagree with you. A lot of people do it here.

I'll stress, I'm glad you don't drink on the job. At first, I was under the impression you did with the way you were complaining. I've seen it happen with some coworkers, particularly the ones who are stressed out which clearly, you are.

[love_conquers_lust]

Here's an interesting question, do you know why there is a doctor shortage? It's a answer that doesn't reflect well on immigrants, women, minorities, and elder generations.

[kespethdude]

I full-hearted agree. The Hippocratic Oath is more important than religious beliefs. What Would Jesus Do? He would help the ones in need regardless of their beliefs. IF someone wants to refuse service, they might as well be a restaurant owner in the south or mid-west, and GTFO of the hospitals. DISCLAIMER: I am perfectly aware of the stereotype of the south and mid-west that I just put in there, but I'd rather be denied service at a restaurant than at a hospital.

[chintu2]

Haha, my religion doesn't oppose homosexuality, transgender or bisexual.
There are many dieties similar to homosexuals, bisexual, transgender, etc
So everyone is treated equally in my religion.
My religion is a link between monotheism and polythesism and promotes tolerance so it would not change anything about me or anyone who follows the religion.
People need to understand that bise lgbt is natural.
Religion is the greatest hurdle in the path of people towards accepting this truth

tBh, I don't like this law.

We need to understand that go is one and the same. There's no Christian God, Muslim God or hindu god
god is for everyone.
It is not a private property of christians or Muslims or heterosexual christians or Muslims.
Well,. I don't like Trump's law.
People are demanding excessive freedom which would make them behave irresponsibly​.

[jacquesvol]

The Bible and the Quran disapprove strongly of homosexuality. So does the Tenakhe. Thus any believer of one of these should avoid helping homosexuals. Be it by baking cakes for them or by anything medical. They have to be shunned.
THAT is the mindset of religious people asking for this kind of laws.

[jacquesvol]

https://i.imgur.com/gUrk5An.jpg

[Mi2mi2a]

I'm a muslim medical student, I'm not for homosexuality but I'm not going to basically kill someone because they are gay. that is not the mindset of religious people that is the mindset of Trump

[Espolare2000]

I'm for religious freedom and don't think a person should be forced to do something against their religion or to do something they think is unethical.
I don't see how any lgbt member will be refused treatment at all by a professional doctor or nurse.

[myTake Owner]

Again this is addressed people just dont read. They refuse them treatment on the grounds that they disagree with their lifestyle and that their lifestyle violates their religion. Why do you think it was such a pain to legalize gay marriage, even though if religious people don't like gay relationships they could simply not get in a gay relationship? Now I will show my own way out because I haven't slept in the last 36 hours and every little thing is pissing me off.

[Espolare2000]

Maybe I dont understand as the leader of my country is gay and we had no problem with gay marraige while still maintaining religious freedom.

[myTake Owner]

In America, people take religion very seriously. Sometimes you lose friendship over religion. It was a huge pain to just legalize gay marriage.

[Espolare2000]

I think maybe Americans like to make a big deal about everything. Like last year Hillary ran her campaign on having female genitalia rather than the issues.

[myTake Owner]

Yep thats why I ditched both parties. When elections roll around, I make my decision on important issues and the candidate’s opinions and plans on what to do about them.

[Espolare2000]

Id be of the same mind when I start voting

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

What a bunch of carp are you talking?

I don't follow politics so I really don't no much about what is going on, but I highly doubt if a gay or transgender patients needs care of any emergency that a religious doctor or nurse will refuse to help them because of their lifestyle choice.

I think the law Trump pass was mainly do to abortions which can't force doctors or nurses to perform such procedures because it violates their religious beliefs to murder.

So get your facts straight before ranting like a fool.

[jennifer_bloom]

A lot of people on this website lie and I don't have any proof that you are a real nurse. Today an unemployed bum claimed to be a humanitarian on a different website I use cause he wanted to discredit my claim that people are happier when they work meaningful humanitarian service hours rather than other forms of unemployment. While pretending to be a humanitarian online - he spends 12 hours a day arguing with strangers he's never met before.

[myTake Owner]

Never said I was a nurse. Literally the first sentence says nurse assistant.

[WalterRadio]

"This law allows medical workers to refuse care to patients on the grounds of “religious liberty”"
So you are saying that if an infant girl is brought to you and you were asked to perform a female circumcision (cut off her clitoris and labia minora) that you would do it?

You are an awful woman.

[WalterRadio]

" it's okay for a healthcare professional to not care or treat a patient simply because of their sexuality or gender identity"
You are pretty ignorant too, aren't you?

[Max_winner1]

look 1truekhaleesi you need to take a pill and really look at the big picture. Now take this and go to some Sharia Islamic country and see how many lashes you get or maybe thrown in jail. There is a reason why men and women went to fight in WW2 for free dome.

Liberal hard core feminist snow flake once again.

[myTake Owner]

Haha “free dome”

Just because someone has bigger problems doesn't make ours any less. When I was 12, I shattered entire left foot and had to crawl to get help because I was outside. My mother then had to drive 30 minutes to the nearest ER. That hurt like a bitch. And yet, whenever I burn my tongue on my coffee that hurts too. No, this is something far different. Now people could fucking die because Trump is a jackass. I mean, fuck, who the hell said it had to be one or the other? I will stand for people in the US who get assaulted and for women in the Middle East too. I like to think thats such a wild concept for people to handle because their brains can't handle both. Have a terrific day! 👍

[SensibleLunatic]

The law doesn't allow you to refuse to treat someone because of their gender identity, it's about making sure you can't force religious doctors or medical workers to perform abortions or sex change surgeries which goes against their faith. For you to pretend that it would be legal for them to refuse to save their life in an accident or something is ridiculous.

[myTake Owner]

Where in the binle does it say anything about abortion or sex change surgery? there's doctors specifically for both of those things. If you dont want to do an abortion on someone, dont become an OBGYN. If you become an OBGYN and a patient wants an abortion, thats the MDs problem not mine. Thats like going into the military when you vehemently oppose war and then becoming surprised when you get shipped to Odin only knows where. Or better yet, dont go into medicine at all. A lot of religions are also against euthanasia. I have DNR patients every day. I dont intervene and do chest compressions on them when they stop breathing because my job permits thats. I once had an older woman who was a DNR. Her brain and organs werent getting enough oxygen and I never put a nasal cannula on her. That combined with the nurse giving her pain meds killed her. Many people feel this is murder. What does the bible say about murder?

[SensibleLunatic]

I'm not religious myself but I can understand how abortion could be considered taking a human life and that's definitely in the bible. And do you not know anything of the bible? Of course it is against sex change surgery.

And this isn't just about doctors, it's about not forcing a religious medical worker to do something his religion is against. Comparable to forcing a muslim to eat pork for example. You wrote this post without even bothering to do any research on the subject.

This has nothing to do with your personal beliefs, this has to do with not forcing people to do things their religion is against. You will still be completely free to perform and assist in any one of the aforementioned procedures.

[myTake Owner]

Citation on that please.
Again, that was pretty obvious. Like, no shit sherlock.
Obviously. I am atheist as fuck. Again, what does the bible say about murder? My job permits me from resuscitating DNR patients. Medical professionals deal with DNRs everyday if they repeatedly intervene or resuscitate a DNR, I guarantee they will lose their job. But the bible is against murder. We are in a bit of a conundrum here.

[SensibleLunatic]

Citation on what?

Weird how you completely ignore the fact that you had no idea what this law was actually for and what it would mean even though you wrote a whole post about it.

Either way abortion could be considered direct murder without the consent of the life being taken. Where as your example could not.

[myTake Owner]

Citation on sex change. Obviously.

You're missing the point I am making. But whatever.

Consent? In the bible? The bible has a shit ton of rape. Their savior impregnated a 14 year old. We dont always have consent from their family. We have a DNR patient who was made DNR by his shitty family who doesn't give two shits about him, even though he has said he wants to live. And no, there's nothing we can do.

[SensibleLunatic]

"Because of Trump, it won't beyond that and they will get away with murder."

You clearly thought this law was also about refusing to give other kind of treatment to patients. You even compared it to refusing to treat someone based on their skincolor when it's not about refusing to treat anyone, it's about refusing to participate in certain procedures no matter who the patient is.

And again I'm literally not religious, but if you can't understand the difference between someone drowning and asking you to not come save him, and someone asking you to push them from a bridge yourself then I don't know what to tell you. Obviously it is fucked up that his family can decide to do that, I never said I agreed with that law.

And many Christians believe that mankind was created in the image of god and that trying to go against that and change the sex "god gave you" is blasphemy.

The point I'm making is that you were completely uneducated about this law, even though made a post about it.

[myTake Owner]

You're not answering my question. And? Thats just you and you have repeatedly said you are not religious. A lot of religious people say not saving someone is murder. Well maybe they should go by the teachings of the bible, not what they think Jesus mightve, couldve said. Jesus once told me he loved pancakes and hates homophobes. You can't prove I am lying. Plus, religious people have refused to help others in the name of God.

[SensibleLunatic]

Question about consent? If someone says they want to die clearly letting them die is completely different from ending a life that can't even speak for itself. It's literally comparable to the situation where a patient says himself that he wants do die as opposed to a situation where the family decides that without knowing what the patient himself wants.

I'm getting quite tired of this conversation because it's clear you just want to complain and rant about the subjects that piss you off while completely ignoring everything else. It's incredibly childish.

[myTake Owner]

there's a lot of religious people who would disagree with that. Why do you think euthanasia is such a hot topic? You're not tired enough because you are responding. Similarly to this, I would like to get sterilized because I dont ever want kids and I can't find a doctor to do the procedure for this reason. Every doctor feels they know me better than I know myself and keeps forcing their personal views on me. I am serious about never having kids. If I get pregnant, I will just get an abortion. So I had better find an MD soon. And plus, medical professionals are refusing people on the grounds that they dont agree with their lifestyle. Like, they had an abortion in the past, are gay, are transgender and already had the sex change, etc.

[SensibleLunatic]

I am tired enough of you ranting, I'm just polite enough to at least give you a response.

I didn't ask you any of these details about your personal life, I'm not interested. Bye.

[myTake Owner]

Sure you are. Just giving you an example of how this relates to something nonreligious and not in the bible. And you are completely ignoring the last part which you just complained of me doing.

[FakeName123]

Instead of being overly angry - how about initiating the ethical debate about medical care being a "human right" (by definition it isn't in the US), about equal medical treatment, about religious freedom, about the economic expenses of it, etc.

There are a whole lot factors coming together and you are making it way too easy for yourself.

[TotallyAlmost]

Would you support a law that requires employers to afford prayer rooms and prayer breaks for Muslims?

[myTake Owner]

If they do those accommodations for Christians or those of another religion, then yes. Hospital I work at just remodeled its chapel and it is for all faiths.

[Waffles731]

@1truekhaleesi what you said about the chapel reminds me of the legal battl3 that ensued after an American soldier who was a practicing Wiccan was KIA in Afghanistan, his widow insisted on a pentacle being on his grave stone and she had to take the department of veterans affairs to court to have it recognized as a symbol of faith in a military cemetery, she did win

[Waffles731]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Stewart_(soldier)

[myTake Owner]

@Waffles731 thats really sad she had to go through that. Its like if someone has a religion other than Christianity, people think its weird.

[name_is_christian]

A patient should feel confident with their doctor, not discriminated against.

[smahala1991]

I agree healthcare is a basic human right no matter who you are or your background.

[Harry8814]

We need a white homeland, and once we have it, we will easily establish an efficient health care system.

[just_tired]

Fantastic take! These need to be taken to light!

[Nice222]

Great take. This is why the Federal Government should stay out of our medical decisions.

[legalboxers]

This is what our world has become. Its sad.