Hating Our Femininity (Page 2)

[lilaqua]

You wrote the MyTake I wanted to write and did it so well. Apart from certain aspects (eg. women as being non-authoritarian and non-sexually driven which I disagree with) I agree with you. I actually think you'd really like "the Second Sex" by Simone de Beauvoir which really goes into this theory. She also talks about how by creating a binary of traits, male and female, we can systemically degrade one side by considering it as the absence of the other, eg. strong vs weak.

[cherryphi82]

The Second Sex heavily criticizes traditional femininity...

[lilaqua]

@cherryphi82 From what I can gather it's got more to do that the large majority of femininity was a constructed form that purposely aimed to separate men and women, making women's traits inherently inferior. She talked about how a lot of these things had no basis in biology but just a means to keep women slaves. That aspect of making femininity and anything "female" inferior to the male, which I think rings true with the MyTake's message.

[cherryphi82]

Hmm... I guess I must have read it very differently. The one phrase I remember best from this book is that homemakers are "parasytes to society". Unless she meant this in the sense that men used to look down on women for not being able to hold jobs I would have to conclude that she criticized the whole profession as such.

Not very scholarly, but here is a wiki excerpt that summarizes the point I'm trying to make:

"According to Beauvoir, two factors explain the evolution of women's condition: participation in production and freedom from reproductive slavery.[11] Beauvoir writes that motherhood left woman "riveted to her body" like an animal and made it possible for men to dominate her and Nature"

I disagree with this heavily. Women are by nature "riveted to our bodies" unless you want to simply refuse to acknowledge our reproductive process. The lie there is that we cannot inherently because of that participate in production, but the participation in production does not make us

[cherryphi82]

... better or more productive members of society. In that point, de Beauvoir contradicts herself because she plays right into the notion that only if a woman is led away from herself and participative in the process of what is associated as "manly activity" does she become a useful member of society. Our biology is part of this femininity or more accurately, our femininity is part of our biology, you cannot separate the two. And that's what I thought this take's author was saying.

[myTake Owner]

Ooh I will def read this.

Authority / dominance is a tricky sea to sail, because it has nothing to do with one having more power or control.

Like king and queen. If the king steps out of line, the queen can arrange his execution, likewise the king to the queen.

Both have equal power and control, but understanding the presence of male dominant and female submission in nature has always been mysterious to me.

Male animals do not enslave females or control them, but take up "authority" somehow.

My dad explained it to me as men feeling compelled to be the "wall" around the woman, to take the fire and hits before she had to, or to stop her from taking them entirely.

I get it, but its still mysterious lol does the book talk about that?

[You_Cant_See_Me]

The first part is wrong. The reason women don’t post videos of themselves lifting heavy weight is not because they’re not allowed to do it, it’s simply because they can’t. On average, women ARE weaker, smaller and slower. You’re not up against a society that is holding you down and not allowing you to be those things, you’re up against your own biology. Now, I’m sure there's a woman out there who can outlift a man, but that’s an exception, not a rule

[You_Cant_See_Me]

Did you really dislike my comment? What did I say that was inaccurate?

[myTake Owner]

There are videos of women lifting heavy, especially dead lifting. Those videos pop up a lot on feminist forums.

And yeah, women aren't biologically built for superb strength lol

Calm down, people will downvote yoy for literally no logical reason

[You_Cant_See_Me]

I know some women lift like that but an exception isn’t a rule

[Anonymous]

Dude, I have no idea why are you pretending to be a girl, it's very clear that you're actually a guy, and a patriarchal chauvinist who is pretending to support so called "femininity" (which is in fact a social construct).
Real woman would know the difference between feminism and femi-nazism.
There are no "waves of feminism", femi-nazis are not real feminists.
True feminist is for gender equality, feminazis are for female supremacy.
The "femininity" and "masculinity" are both just social constructs imposed by male chauvinists & religious organisations.
In modern world, a woman or a man have right to choose their roles, no f*cking right-wing political party or a church can impose gender roles on us... your medieval times are over!
;)

[englisc]

Yeah, because no woman anywhere is anti-feminist.

[Femdomina]

@englisc No woman of course, only fake profiles of male chauvinists like you ;)

[Opinion Owner]

@Femdomina Exactly sis, thanks for the support 👍

[myTake Owner]

www.girlsaskguys.com/user/dancing_in_nebulas/edit

1.) This is me. I use my phone to write these lol the anon option is squished by submit so 9/10 i get anoned. For some odd reason, mytakes won't let you switch it off.

2.) Its clearly distinguished in the article about what group is perpetuating toxic ideas - the femi nazis.

3.) You mentioned that point yourself, so why are you being illogical?

"Dude, its like the feminazis who think this, but you're a man because you acknowledge exactlt what I realized about this topic."

*facepalm

[myTake Owner]

Feminism is a social construct as well.

Where did I mention about gender roles?

You assumed because you are brainwashed by the feminism social construct.

If you werent so up on your high horse, youd be aware that this article is about pushing equality by not demeaning aspects of femininity.

But okay. I hope you at least shave and wash your cooch

[Opinion Owner]

No, I'm not "being illogical", you are obviously some quasi-intellectual pseudo philosopher I already met here on the GaG.
Feminism is not a "social construct", it's a movement based on the ideals of advocating of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.
Femininity is a gender role, just like masculinity, so it's obviously a social construct.
Oh really? "I hope you at least shave and wash your cooch" - That primitive comment just proves that you are actually a male and a chauvinist brainwashed by religious/patriarchal propaganda. The girl in the picture probably doesn't even know that you stole her photo from facebook, you're really lame dude 😂

[myTake Owner]

Look at how crazy you sound:

"Feminism is not a "social construct", it's a movement based on the ideals of advocating of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men."

Feminism was never about equality: white feminists stopped black women from getting their rights lol

It was a social construct, used to force radicalized feminine hierarchy ideology, hence the notion that feminism carries in females being dominant over men.

You are insane if you dont see how its being used that way.

Are all feminists like that, no lol, we cleared that up, but disregarding the faults of your "sisters," only because their women, shows that you would compromise equality on a sexists basis.

I support this type of misogynistic aspect of feminism only because its women.

Sexist.

And for a pseudo-philosopher I sure have more of a voice and not hiding behind an anon like you.

But you are so strong and independent right?

can't even be real.

lol

[myTake Owner]

And I hope you do shave and wash your cooch at least lol

What color did you dye your armpit hair?

Paint any pictured with your tampon lol?

Lol feminism is a joke.

[Opinion Owner]

Feminism is a movement for equality, and you are obviously a guy, the same pseudo-philosopher I've known for a couple of years here on the GaG, he is famous for all the stupid things he said (as a guy), and now you are repeating the same nonsense as a "woman", enough said ;)

[ScaryCool]

I am completely for women having the same rights as men.
If you're in a relationship and you want to stay at home because you and your partner think that's best, then go for it, no one should put you down for it. If you wish to go to work, more power to you. Pay those bills off haha

Only thing I just DON'T agree with is the label. I don't need any labels to fight for something. I never heard of the term feminism until I was about 16-17. I was for women's rights way before then. I just feel it separates people, like a lot of labels do.

[FakeName123]

"This misogyny happens largely due to the fact that we attach positive traits only to men."

Ironically that's exactly what feminists do. 24/7 comparing women to men, disrupting masculinity in men while trying to make women more like men.

[myTake Owner]

Its insanity. We are two different genders, its like comparing apples to oranges, but painting oranges red and telling them to be apples lol

[FakeName123]

I like my apples green you applephobe.

[myTake Owner]

Lol with caramel I hope

[Anonymous]

I agree with you, the third wave feminism is highly toxic for all of society but also really bad for women as it constantly paints women as victims who have no control over themselves, by encouraging women to blame someone else for their own bad decisions, mostly men.

> What I am ashamed of, is being told that my credibility is based on how comparable I am to a man.

When some women claim they are just like a man, and can do anything a man can, they will be measured against men. That's what happens. That's the result of feminism.

Discussing differences between men and women is not intended at all to shame anyone. But if women choose to make themselves victims, don't blame men.

Women are victimized by pretty women on billboards, in magazine ads, on TV. When will women stop painting themselves as victims? When are women actually going to be strong instead of just talking about it?

[FatherJack]

Women & men are SUPPOSED to be complementary , not conflicting. The REAL " powers that be " have deliberately funded and created this toxic social engineering that is designed to cause division , distrust , resentment and unhappiness , it is much easier to control populations this way , classic " Divide and Rule " . Feminine and masculine are the 2 polarities to create attraction , what we have now are " neuters " ie masculine , aggressive womyn ( often misandrist ) and girly boys , neuter + neuter = 0 attraction. Feminists are far more misandrist , than misogynist. Excellent take !!

[Logorithim]

I've never understood why a woman would feel inferior to a man. We complement each other.

[myTake Owner]

Exactly!!! Its so weird.

there's a poster on here from Egypt who says non western women laugh at westernized women, because this thinking makes absolutely no sense.

Then again, they also value the home, education and child development much more than western culture. I grew up with an East Asian family, and though some women did not work, it was never mocked of them or they were made to feel less than or bad.

[Logorithim]

Excellent point. Taking care of kids and a home is not inferior work, nor is it easy. And what about being pregnant giving birth? Very difficult physically and mentally.

[SirenDep]

Thanks for the take! I am writing an article about modern feminism and consumerism. I'd like to know more about modern feminism's ideals. Do you know of any good articles on it, that can be cited?

[myTake Owner]

https://spacefem.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=28

Usually good articles or very debatable ones are put in these forums.

Also can chat with practicing feminism to get a 3D scope of it.

My preferred for articles is google scholar, since a lot of fem articles tend to be bias or lack references

scholar.google.com/scholar

there's thousands of articles that will definitely get you quality information about modern feminism

[SirenDep]

I found 2 articles on scholar, but with difficulty. Interestingly, it 's not a subject that's been explored too much.

[AlwaysBelieving]

Interesting take.

For the pic of the female bodybuilder (I'm still rinsing out my eyes):

https://i.imgur.com/Lw3eWR3.jpg

[myTake Owner]

Lol I forgot her name, but she is female - has a husband and a daughter

[AlwaysBelieving]

That's cool that she does. Just not for me though. Yes, I realize has their own preferences.

[HikerDude]

Women have this amazing power of child birth, the power to create children and family, yet so many women scoff at that and try to become more like men. A strong female energy keeps society balanced. Too much female energy and you end up like Sweden, too much male energy and you end up like Russia.

[Prankster13]

Yes! Exactly! Thank you!
Feminity is what makes ladies so wonderful! Saying that they need to be masculine to be worth something is complete BS. They are feminine. They are perfect just how they are.
We need ladies to be ladies. And men to be men. That's how everything fits together. We can't lose feminity. That would take a huge toll on both genders.
You nailed this on the head. Perfectly. Thank you. Great take. I could not agree more.

[ooAngieoo]

i. loved. this. so. much. you pinned it down beautifully. you shouldn't have gone anonymous, wish i knew who wrote this..

[myTake Owner]

Thank you, Im sorry I wrote it on my phone and the anon option is squished by the submit so it anons me 9/10 even on opinions lol

www.girlsaskguys.com/user/dancing_in_nebulas/edit

[ooAngieoo]

lol thank you!

[myTake Owner]

lol no ty!!

[Zoraxpra]

“Mothers die fighting, protecting, risk lives running through fire, work several jobs, barely sleep, endure various traumas, provide for their families, and love very self sacrificially.”

Uhm, replace “mothers” by “fathers” and then it would make way more sense and will reflect reality. Fathers are stronger than mothers because fathers are men. And mothers are women. Father protects and provides families and tribes. Not mothers.

The reason you made this post is because you are upset you are not a man, the primary gender. Just like all the other feminists here writing sensational BS cope posts like this one.

[Truthandlove2584]

As a woman, I find feminists annoying. Why is success intertwined with masculinity! the more masculine a woman is.. the more she gets the "you go girl" approval?
there was a feminazi who said a prostitute is better than a housewife because a prostitute at least earns her own money! this is how sad they are.
I am proud of my femininty! being treated like a lady!

[FinalVow]

What an amazing post. well written non biased includes visuals and facts to back up what you are saying. The intelligence from this post is oh so nice. there are a few generalizations but they are certainly deserved and this was one of the best things I have read in the last 5 years. If my brain could express physical things it would be smiling right now lol.

[Femdomina]

Women are not necessarily weaker or slower, stop degrading yourself. The main problem is "girly girl" mentality implanted by patriarchal society. Feminists are not misogynists, that is the dumbest thing I ever heard, you obviously confuse feminists with mgtow and femi-nazis (two of the most pathetic groups in human society).
Women can be strong and powerful, don't act like a wimp, you're only pleasing chauvinists.

[cherryphi82]

I agree with you that she is pandering to chauvinists, but to say that girly girl mentality is implanted by the patriarchy is far off the mark. There are woman who are naturally more like that. There was a time when all women were expected to be girly and demure, but this is no longer the case. I think you are playing right into her argument that women today hate on women who cultivate a more traditional femininity, which is nothing but internalized misogyny. There is nothing wrong with being a girly girl. Your argument makes it sounds like we're all tomboys if we just let ourselves, which is blatantly untrue.

[myTake Owner]

Oh stop, women are smaller slower and weaker compared to men of their same size and stature.

Why do you get so pissy at science? Do you think our biology makes us weaker?

Are you ashamed that we are smaller?

What, should we be just as masculine as men?

You are delusional, and you are not a feminists.

Other true feminists on here literally laughed at shit like this.

You are a misogynists who wants women to deny our feminine aspects and be defined by masculine ones.

[myTake Owner]

And what makes a girlier woman a wimp?

Because she can't hit as hard as a man?

You are crazy.

[Femdomina]

@cherryphi82 I never said that we are all tomboys, I'm just saying that if it weren't for patriarchal society and religions, there would be less girly girls today, because their creation was influenced by imposing such roles on them by males.

[Femdomina]

@myTake Owner Not all the women are smaller and weaker, but "girly girls" like you are.
No, I'm not a "misogynists" because femininity and masculinity are just a social construct.
You don't know any of the real feminists, because you are most likely a male, probably some mgtow freak pretending to be a woman in order to impose this gender role (just like your priest taught you).
There are women who can hit as hard as men (e. g Laila Ali), but unlike you, she is not a wimp nor a wuss ;)

[TopCA]

You are talking about how MGTOW is bad and extreme but then you fail to see your own delusion. Feminism is suppose to support women’s choices whether that be masculine or feminine behavior. You are shaming women who identify with the femeine and yet glorify women who embrace the masculine that you seem to “hate” so much. You make fun of her suggesting she is a religious person even though she never claimed to be. You deny the science of biology by denying he fact that women are physically weaker and smaller that’s not up for discussion that’s a biological fact. So stop ridiculing her for stating a scientific fact, seems to me you are more likely to believe in false information. By the way you are not a “feminist” you are what they call a femi-nazi.

[TopCA]

Also women are men are biologically different our brains function differently and this affect much of our behavior. If hate what am saying take it up with science and facts unless they are part of the patriarchy as well.

[Femdomina]

@TopCA I'm not talking about biological differences, I'm talking about gender roles, which are a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT!
I'm not shaming or hating anybody, I'm just saying that "femininity" is made up, just like "masculinity".
No, I'm not a femi-nazi, I'm not for female supremacy, therefore, I'm a true feminists.
The only people I won't tolerate are those who spam on my opinion, now good bye ;)

[myTake Owner]

But feminism is a social construct lol

[Femdomina]

Feminism is movement based on advocating of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

[Anonymous]

There is beautiful harmony between masculinity and femininity. Of course either side can over do it. But I don't think the pitch that women needs to be masculine and men need to stop being masculine because it's toxic is healthy. Feminism pushes the idea that "be like a man" is bad, but yet so many images of women being masculine are portrayed. What? lol

[OldS0ul]

You couldn't have worded it better.

[bubble_tea]

Not all mothers are nurturing. Back then women didn't have a choice. Many get pressured into having children and resent the path they needed to take to be accepted in society.

[myTake Owner]

Thats a common misconception that women could only survive as mothers. Women were agriculturalist, business owners of various crafted goods, barren so they had no children but fine in society, and expected to have a supporting trade. Women were soldiers, which is why the women being in marines today is hotly debated, in politics, finances etc.

Our society distorts history as if men just dragged us by our hair and kept us pregnant.

[bubble_tea]

Are we talking exceptions here or the fate of the majority of women?

[DJZest]

That picture of a woman in a tight, red, leather skirt is powerful.

Beatiful MyTake. Thank you.

[myTake Owner]

Thanks