I don't consider myself a male feminist, primarily for one reason. Famous male feminists tend to be creeps. I don't mean like a wolf whistle or a catcall or looking too long. I'm talking molesting women, harassment, locking a woman in a room and faping in front of her. That last part really bothers me. Why are you doing that? What's the point, don't you have an internet connection?
Anyway, by your definition, MRA's are feminists. Just about everyone who gets involved in gender activism, with a few exceptions, like TERFS, and radical incels, want equality between the sexes, the question is, more like Keynes vs Hayek, we want the same thing, we just dissagre on how we do it
If every man were a feminist, and every woman an Men's Rights Activist, we would never have sexism of any kind to begin with. Sadly, that kind of mass altruism may never be possible in the human race.
When I see claims about feminism like: "It isn't the belief that are women better than men. It isn't the belief that all men should be humiliated. It isn't the belief that men should be belittled in society."
I am reminded of people who wave the Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia (the so-called "Confederate flag") and chant "Heritage not hate!"
In the USA women have more rights than men and want preferential treatment, so here feminism is just a man hating privilege group that doesn't want equality. They never try to do anything for men's rights.
You are from a different country, so that is probably why you have different experiences and views on it.
Basically, your points are valid. However - if it is about equality, then why is it called ''feminism''? If I called myself a ''male-ist'' there would be a shit-storm upon me before I can even explain what I mean to say with it. My conclusion is, that it might be better to disband/forget the whole thing as it is now; and install an updated version. As you mentioned: 100 years ago... does not really touch us any longer.
Feminists want to change society but only if it benefits women and only women and double standards is one of the main things that is wrong with modern feminism.
No, we don't need more soyboys. Feminism isn't about equality, it's about women's right, and it's a huge difference. You currently have equal rights, feminists only want more and more power. I'm all for equity, but I'm not naive enough to be a feminist.
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Indeed, you're 100% right. However, stupid people will always outnumber smart people, that's why democracy never works. Stupid people should learn that feminazis are not feminist. Stupid people who think they are smart should learn that egalitarianism includes feminism (but not feminazism).
Why are you so obsessed with the feminist label? Most people believe in gender equality anyways. They just don't want to wear the label of feminism, which associates them with hateful people like Jessica Valenti and Julie Bindel, and hateful organizations like NOW. If you are a feminist, you should be more concerned about hateful feminist bigots in the media, academia and politics who are ruining the reputation of feminism.
This isn't the 1940's where feminism is in demand. We don't need one more feminist. They're misandrists now a days. You have all the rights and you seriously want more? Name one right men can have women can't have. If you don't hate men then don't call yourself a feminist.
I like how people are pretending feminism was ever about equal rights even in its early days.
People need to look up Emmeline Pankhurst who is probably the most well-known feminist during the first wave and her leadership of the white feather movement.
I prefer to be egalitarian. Too many women have already given feminism a bad name because of misandry. And also, there are other problems than gender inequalities in this world.
Gonna ask what I always ask when its about "equal rights". What rights do men have that women don't have in western nations?
And the second question. "It's the belief that". A belief doesn't imply truth. What if said belief potentially is incorrect? Where is the prove that equality between the sexes is a good or a bad thing?
Oh please, you have more than enough beta males white knighting for you. What you really want is the more attractive alphas fighting for your side, but if they did they wouldn't be alphas anymore. They'd be betas. We need more masculine men. The feminization of men must end. Kill it with fire.
Posting something like this on GaG is like walking into a McDonald's and telling people why they should eat less meat. GaG is dominated by anti-feminists. They will eat you alive.
Wonder why? Anyway, here are some (tame) quotes...
I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it. - Barbara Jordan, former Congresswoman
Do not put such unlimited power into the hands of the Husbands. Remember all Men would be tyrants if they could. - Abigail Adams
I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them. - Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor
I do want to be able to explain to a 9-year-old boy in terms he will understand why I think it’s OK for girls to wear shirts that revel in their superiority over boys. - Treena Shapiro
Politically, I call it rape whenever a woman has sex and feels violated. - Catherine MacKinnon
Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience. - Catherine Comins
Feminism is cancer. We need to get rid of everything it has done before it does what it did to Rome. Any feminist male is a homosexual so why don’t you date a gay male instead of trying to cuck and gayify straight alpha godly males? Oh yea I forget feminists hate men and have penis envy that’s why
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I think there are tons of guys interested in equality, but thanks to misandrists, "feminist" has become a pejorative term.
I don't consider myself a male feminist, primarily for one reason. Famous male feminists tend to be creeps. I don't mean like a wolf whistle or a catcall or looking too long. I'm talking molesting women, harassment, locking a woman in a room and faping in front of her. That last part really bothers me. Why are you doing that? What's the point, don't you have an internet connection?
Anyway, by your definition, MRA's are feminists. Just about everyone who gets involved in gender activism, with a few exceptions, like TERFS, and radical incels, want equality between the sexes, the question is, more like Keynes vs Hayek, we want the same thing, we just dissagre on how we do it
If every man were a feminist, and every woman an Men's Rights Activist, we would never have sexism of any kind to begin with. Sadly, that kind of mass altruism may never be possible in the human race.
When I see claims about feminism like:
"It isn't the belief that are women better than men.
It isn't the belief that all men should be humiliated.
It isn't the belief that men should be belittled in society."
I am reminded of people who wave the Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia (the so-called "Confederate flag") and chant "Heritage not hate!"
There are just SOOOOOO many similarities.
In the USA women have more rights than men and want preferential treatment, so here feminism is just a man hating privilege group that doesn't want equality. They never try to do anything for men's rights.
You are from a different country, so that is probably why you have different experiences and views on it.
Basically, your points are valid. However - if it is about equality, then why is it called ''feminism''? If I called myself a ''male-ist'' there would be a shit-storm upon me before I can even explain what I mean to say with it. My conclusion is, that it might be better to disband/forget the whole thing as it is now; and install an updated version. As you mentioned: 100 years ago... does not really touch us any longer.
Feminists want to change society but only if it benefits women and only women and double standards is one of the main things that is wrong with modern feminism.
If we are going to set it up so females and males have the same rights, we would also have to change the way social structure works.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvFi3A1GIJ8Men and women are not created equally. Only men can be fathers and only women can be mothers. Men and women are not interchangeable.
We need to make men masculine again.
"Once made equal to men, women will become his superior" -Socrates
No, we don't need more soyboys. Feminism isn't about equality, it's about women's right, and it's a huge difference. You currently have equal rights, feminists only want more and more power. I'm all for equity, but I'm not naive enough to be a feminist.
Indeed, you're 100% right.
However, stupid people will always outnumber smart people, that's why democracy never works.
Stupid people should learn that feminazis are not feminist.
Stupid people who think they are smart should learn that egalitarianism includes feminism (but not feminazism).
There aren't anymore because men aren't stupid enough to subscribe to the false claim that it's about equal rights.
If you get a true hardcore feminist, it's about women being number 1 even if and especially if it is at the expense of men.
Those are the women running the show when it comes to feminism.
So no. I am not and never will be a feminist. I am an advocate of equality and equality is not called feminism. It's called equality.
Why are you so obsessed with the feminist label?
Most people believe in gender equality anyways. They just don't want to wear the label of feminism, which associates them with hateful people like Jessica Valenti and Julie Bindel, and hateful organizations like NOW.
If you are a feminist, you should be more concerned about hateful feminist bigots in the media, academia and politics who are ruining the reputation of feminism.
This isn't the 1940's where feminism is in demand. We don't need one more feminist. They're misandrists now a days. You have all the rights and you seriously want more? Name one right men can have women can't have. If you don't hate men then don't call yourself a feminist.
~Dr. Shaym
I have the right term for you. Egalitarian!
I like how people are pretending feminism was ever about equal rights even in its early days.
People need to look up Emmeline Pankhurst who is probably the most well-known feminist during the first wave and her leadership of the white feather movement.
I prefer to be egalitarian. Too many women have already given feminism a bad name because of misandry. And also, there are other problems than gender inequalities in this world.
Gonna ask what I always ask when its about "equal rights". What rights do men have that women don't have in western nations?
And the second question. "It's the belief that". A belief doesn't imply truth. What if said belief potentially is incorrect? Where is the prove that equality between the sexes is a good or a bad thing?
Oh please, you have more than enough beta males white knighting for you. What you really want is the more attractive alphas fighting for your side, but if they did they wouldn't be alphas anymore. They'd be betas. We need more masculine men. The feminization of men must end. Kill it with fire.
*Prays for you because I know you're getting flames just for the title.*
Right?
Posting something like this on GaG is like walking into a McDonald's and telling people why they should eat less meat. GaG is dominated by anti-feminists. They will eat you alive.
Wonder why? Anyway, here are some (tame) quotes...
I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it.
- Barbara Jordan, former Congresswoman
Do not put such unlimited power into the hands of the Husbands. Remember all Men would be tyrants if they could.
- Abigail Adams
I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.
- Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor
I do want to be able to explain to a 9-year-old boy in terms he will understand why I think it’s OK for girls to wear shirts that revel in their superiority over boys.
- Treena Shapiro
Politically, I call it rape whenever a woman has sex and feels violated.
- Catherine MacKinnon
Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.
- Catherine Comins
@AmerRestInit Neither was I wondering why nor do I care what people like you think.
Feminism is cancer. We need to get rid of everything it has done before it does what it did to Rome. Any feminist male is a homosexual so why don’t you date a gay male instead of trying to cuck and gayify straight alpha godly males? Oh yea I forget feminists hate men and have penis envy that’s why