We Need More Male Feminists.

[SpiderManFan2002]

Feminism. The belief that both men and women should have equal rights.

It isn't the belief that are women better than men.

It isn't the belief that all men should be humiliated.

It isn't the belief that men should be belittled in society.

It is the belief in equal rights between women and men.

Yet, the word especially on this website, can be highly frowned upon. The word has been twisted.

So many males I have talked to believe that feminism is cancer, and that it was set out so women can take over. That is not the case.

I was born and raised in England and 100 years ago women got the vote. Feminism did that. Before it was highly frowned upon for a man to stay at home and look after the house and children. Because that was not seen as a 'real' job. Of course it is. Anybody who does that, man or women is helping to raise tomorrow's voters, tomorrow's workers, a piece or pieces of tomorrow's society. Feminism is the cause that changed people's viewpoints on stay at home dad's. Feminism made the majority of people realize that staying home and looking after the family isn't just a woman's job, and it doesn't make a man any less of a man to do so.

I've also seen people claim, that modern day society doesn't need feminism. Personally, I believe that is utterly false. How does modern day society not require feminism when there is still so much gender inequality rearing it's horrific head lurking, in so many places? Women still face the gender pay gap. Men still face the struggle to express emotions without being laughed at.

Those are just two immense issues concerning society. There are so many more, in modern day society. Males, you face so many issues within society.

You are also victims of sexual harrasment.

Emotional abuse.

Physical abuse.

Imbalances in certain work-fields and sports.

Stereotypes.

And those are just a few I thought of myself, and as said before I'm sure they are more. Female feminists also want to change this as well as changing inequality against women and males should too. Feminists want to change society for the better.

To all the males who are not feminists, don't you want to change these problems? Let your voices to be heard with ours? The more of us there are the larger chance we have of putting an end to this.

[HughJass]

No, No No No NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!

Stop emasculating men!!! In this age and time, we need MORE MEN not men who have been robbed of their purpose in life and turned into a pussy hat screeching feminist.

"If men are not told to be “gentlemen,” some will be emasculated, but more will become destructive men. If men are not trained by good men, they will be trained by bad men; if they have no good males to follow, they follow bad ones. Feminists always speak about a world run by women and why such a world would create better men. But the most male-free environment in America exists in black communities, where well over half of black children grow up without fathers. This hasn’t made black boys less violent; it’s made them far more prone to criminality than their non-black peers. Many of these boys follow teenage role models, many of whom have lacked fathers themselves, and lack the training to be a gentleman. They live in a world of risk that requires masculine defense but have no one to teach them to distinguish between defense and aggression. "

"The Left’s dichotomous choice between emasculation and toxic masculinity leaves men out in the cold — and leaves them searching for meaning. If they are not the defenders of their families, what are they? If they are not providers, what are they? They become non-entities — or they become societal tumors or at least tacit supporters of “men who are men!”

[Anonymous]

No.. Sorry not going to happen.. the reason most men dont align with feminism is because of the suffering that has happened at the hands of feminism.. Men automatically being assumed the abuser when it comes to Domestic violence (Duluth model, an invention of feminists in Duluth Minnesota). The fact that a simple accusation of sexual assault or harassment can get a man fired lose his job, and get stuck with jail time, no evidence necessary thanks to Title IX (another feminist invention). the fact that in Divorce court women almost always automatically get custody of the children and the man is forced to prove he is worthy to even see his children. and the fact that very large feminist organizations like NOW (National Organization for Women, the biggest feminist lobbying group on the planet) Actually oppose 50/50 shared parenting where child support is eliminated. The fact that the same group stands against expanding the definition of rape to include men. The fact that they believe idiotic things like the wage gap which has been debunked time and again.. No i will never be a feminist. I will be an egalitarian, I will stand for the rights of all, but i will never ever be a feminist.

[Opinion Owner]

Take as a for instance the right to vote.. Here in the US, women won the right to vote some time in the 20's Men have never had the right to vote, We have the right to sign up for selective service (the draft, We literally get to sign up to die) and that gets us the privilege to vote, But women simply by the virtue of their genitals get the right to vote at 18.

Take the VAWA (Violence against women act) Its a special law that makes any violence against women (the most protected class in our country) carry more severe penalties. Men have no such protection. Men commit suicide at a far greater rate than women do, and yet we hear feminists like Big Red say things like "Cry me a river" or "Thats one thing men do better than women and more power to them"

[Opinion Owner]

Or take a new holidy that some feminists want to have happen.. International castration day.. Its a day where boys at age 13 are marched out in to the streets and down to a clinic where they have their testicles removed. Only a select few will be kept as breeding stock.. No thank you.. Untl feminism becomes less toxic to men it will never be an ok thing for men to be faminists.

[Opinion Owner]

Keep the down votes coming cry babies i know the truth hurts.

[Cccgala]

"Women still face the gender pay gap. Men still face the struggle to express emotions without being laughed at."

Both statements seem to be hasty generalizations.

Feminism neither addresses the gender pay gap nor the struggle to express emotions and intercepting ridicule thereafter, for it is primarily particular about the advancement of women's political rights rather than it is particular about personal circumstances of people. In practice, feminist movements harbor a tendency to overlook men and their concerns, despite feminists' claims that they are advocating for 'equality'.

The gender pay gap is a non-existent phenomenon which remains to be a pervasive assertion of people who partake in identity politics. Wage disparities across industries are not ultimately determined by gender; wages are determined by a myriad of factors that are independent from one's gender— performance, attendance and punctuality, feedback, interpersonal skills, negotiation, etc.

Curtailing ridicule in expressing emotions seems vague to be incorporated and enshrined as an advocacy in a political movement, particularly when instances of expressing emotions vary, and when an expression of ridicule is free speech, in a technical sense.

[DJZest]

Ah, wise words spoken by a truth-loving person. Wonderful.

[kellyg83]

No the word has not been twisted at all. The actions of feminists have shown us that they do not care about men at all. They will use and abuse them so long as it suits their needs. Just look at divorce laws, custody arrangements, punishments for the same crime, the way men are constantly degraded. It's disgusting, and solves nothing.

https://youtu.be/u28qQ8hGj-shttps://youtu.be/vp8tToFv-bA

[JimRSmith]

I believe men and women are, and should be, equal but different.

I'm not aligning myself with some bullshit ideology because I believe that.

[hellionthesagereborn]

The world needs less feminist not more. Their is no gender inequality for women (their is quite a bit for men however, if you look at the statistics and data that is (most feminist actively ignore or outright try to hide said data however)). Their is no gender pay gap, that has been debunked so many times the fact that ANY ONE could still believe it is just insane (they debunked it within a month of the claim):
www.cbsnews.com/.../
www.forbes.com/.../#416369c42596
The idea that men are not allowed to express emotions is also a lie, men express emotions all the time and quite honestly its rather sexist that you and other feminist would presume that since men do not express their emotions like women do that some how men are broken and need to be fixed. We are not built to express emotions like women do, this has been well documented even within infants and other primates i. e. its biological not social. For instance males have fewer tear ducts, wider channels (more tears required to fill up the channel and spill over), less of the hormone that causes tear production etc. so we are actually biologically less capable of crying then women are. We are also more likely to be "proactive" that is we tend towards anger/aggression which fuels us to rectify the problem rather then to cry about it or seek out others to socialize our emotional issues. This has been shown in babies, when separated from their parents (I believe they where two years old) then shown them through a window the girls would all sit and cry seeking aid from others, the males would equally cry but they would attack the window trying to get through it to reach their mother. Again, this is biology and the fact that you would effectively demand that men ignore their biology and do things the way you do it because it is the "only" right way of expressing emotion is quite twisted and thus further proves that feminism is horribly toxic to society, to women, and especially to men. As for all the other issues, feminist actively fought AGAINST fathers rights, mens reproductive rights (we don't have any, women have them all), actively cultivated the mindset that domestic violence was perpetrated by men (when in fact statistically 70% of all nonreciprocal violence (one victim and one perpetrator) is perpetrated by women against men making men more likely to be the victim) etc.

[Mr_Smile]

No, we do not. We need less feminism, not more. Yes, 100 years ago it was an amazing movement and one that was esssential to changing the world for the better. But now? Now? Anita Sarkessian, Ashley Judd, Triggly Puff, Big Red, and many more, all whining about "this video game is sexist" and "im fat and lazy and if you don't accept me being lazy you're a biggot" and calling anyone who does not agree with them a misogynistic racist cry baby trump supporter, all the while sitting on their mountains of cash, which the likes of Anita and Ashley were gained through deception, manipulation and "I'm a woman complaining on the internet, give me money" and ignoring the real problems in the world such as countries where women have their genitals mutilated, aren't allowed to drive or go to school and can't even leave the house without their husbands permission. Oh, and the fact that men obviously can't be raped, so it's perfectly ok for a woman to sexually assault a man and get away with it, and yes this has happened, on several occasions in fact I believe, and that it's ok to attack a man but if he fights back and hits a woman it's a gender rights issue, oh and lets not forget about calling people racists because they like to be historically accurate when creating a piece of media.

But despite all that, I do get that there are some actual good feminists out there that do only want good for the world. I myself discovered a channel named "The Factual Femenist" quite some time ago and was pleasantly surprised at how intellectually honest she was and how she wasn't just a foaming at the mouth, mouth breathing man hater. She is a good example of what a feminist should be, but unfortunately, that's not reality. In the real world, people are fucking arseholes, I mean heck, we even argue about what food you should eat because eating some kinds of food hurts peoples feelings, so you know, when it comes to things like femenism, it's quite a problem to deal with.

The reason femenism has the reputation of being the cancer scum of the world is because of all those things I mentioned above which are not hyperbole by the way, those are real things, and it barely scratches the surface. This might have to be a multi parter, by the way, I'm kinda ranting.

I myself don't like labels, but if you had to throw one on me, you could call me an egalatarian. I want equality for everyone. I don't care about FEMinism or MENimism, I want equality for everybody.

[Mr_Smile]

I had a whole bit here but it got lost when I was looking for links and I have no idea how. Basically I was saying I have a ton of respect for the suffragettes and the people involved in the civil rights movements because they fought for the world we have today and were killed because they wanted to be treated as equals, and what do modern femenists do after all the suffering that old age femenists went through?

www.theguardian.com/.../melbourne-trials-female-figures-on-pedestrian-crossings-to-reduce-unconscious-bias

https://www.youtube.com/user/RoryDeganRepresent

https://www.youtube.com/user/JustinDennisYT

*countless videos of angry virgi- feminists attacking men for no reason other than they are a man*

♫ and many more... ♫

[EpicDweeb]

Around the age the United States was founded a man named "Adam Smith" wrote a book titled "the wealth of nations." The man was an economist and a brilliant one at that. He was the first to write the concept that free trade between two parties results in a growth of wealth for both. He was the first to show that there is not merely one big pie whose pieces are moved around, but an ever growing pie of which all could eat. Anyone who reads the book will see much support for capitalism and free markets... but there is something you will not find anywhere in the book. That is support for capitalists.

Adam smith despised capitalists. He saw them as greedy and... well all the other negative things people STILL consider capitalists to be. He was not opposed to capitalism but to those that were considered capitalists.

I bare a similar perspective on the subject of feminism. I'm for feminism in the sense that you have proclaimed it here. I'm all for the equality of the genders so long as the differences between them are likewise acknowledged and supported.

However... I can never be a supporter of the feminist movement. Call them feminazis or what have you, but those that claim to represent feminism, just as capitalists paint capitalism, display it merely as a promotion of women to power whilst seeking to bring down men all in the name of equality.

I will never support feminism or call myself a feminist because the word no longer means what you say it does. Words have only the meanings we give them, those meanings that we truly recognize. The word "feminism" may have once meant equality of men and women, but it does no longer. Feminism in the ears of many means the promotion of women with no limit. The word itself is derived from the word feminine with the whole notion being to redefine what it is to be feminine. That does not communicate that men should be equal to women, only that women should be seen differently than what they are.

I will always support men and women as equals because I believe they are humans. I believe humans to be equal. We have differences but they do not and cannot make us unequal. I will never support feminism, not because I am against what it once stood for, but because of what it STANDS for in the here and now in the eyes of the world.

[Anonymous]

The definition of feminism is and I quote "The advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes."

The problem most men have with this is that it is only for women's right. There is nothing there about men's rights.

Sure you pointed out ways feminism may help men but those were ways women see it could, not men. Not all men see those things as good things. Such as being a stay at home dad, a lot of men don't want that as their main purpose in life so why would they support an ideal that may wish to force them into it?

The people who should decide what is best for men is men, not women. Same goes for women's rights should be women. So why is it when men try to get together to discuss their issues or try and take action on them they are always faced with opposition from feminists? Feminists in these cases don't want to help them they want to stop them from achieving any sort of support or rights.

On top of this you have all the negativity and misandry that comes from feminism. Such as the term "toxic masculinity". I don't see anything wrong with masculinity, most men don't. It's mostly women. It is a term used to try and belittle men, shame them because of their gender. Even if you are trying to state it as bad characteristics, not all men have them yet you use a term that pretty much says "men are poison". Let me ask you how would you feel if men keep saying something like "toxic femininity"? Probably wouldn't like it. Definitely one of those cases where they are trying to catch flies with vinegar instead of honey.

Lastly a lot of men just don't see the point of advocating for women's rights when it seems like no one is even listening to men's issues. Women get so much attention and help right now, yet as a man it honestly feels like you are seen as less of a person compared to women. You feel as if you are disposal and like no one really cares about you or your male friends. Men have just as many issues right now if not more then what women do, yet it seems like women's issues always get all the attention. Women complain about a wage gap, yet men are at a much more higher rate of suicide or being homeless. I don't know about you but I feel like issues with helping people stay alive and actually having a job is slightly more important then how much someone is paid.

So I honestly don't see why a man would be a feminist. I mean I support women and men being equal. But to men feminism isn't about that. Feminism doesn't care about men.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

I once called myself a feminist before I know anything about it.

"It is the belief in equal rights between women and men."
Is it though? Says who? There's no consensus or official authority to rule on it. So if you're not going to delineate from others who want to fly the banner (without knowing who's team it puts them on) then you're going to be subject to the socially negotiated perception of it that changes constantly and even exists in multiple conflicting forms at once like a phenomenon of quantum mechanics.

If you ask me, the unifying things that make a feminist are adhearance to ideas such as rape culture, patriarchy and toxic masculinity. That's the closest thing to a common denominator there is for feminism and it's those things which I object to which it why even the mainstream feminist who thinks it's "feminazis" that are the problem are still not great. When probed, we find they hold the same theories in regard and that's the problem. So as someone who holds liberal principles in regard I feel the need to object to feminism on those grounds.

"Twisted"
Again, socoially negotiated. How do we know it's natural form from a twisted one?

"Feminism did that."
Feminism had a minor role. It wasn't just women who got the vote. There were women who could already vote, but most *men and women* could not. Suffragists are primarily responsible for getting universal suffrage. Just feminism taking all the credit for things it happened to be in proximity to.

"real job"
Not for men, but it was a real and respected job for women. Lets not treat it like it was nothing at the time.

"Feminism is the cause that changed people's viewpoints on stay at home dad's."
Doubtful. Liberal principles make this theoretically palatable. Feminism, again, just likes to take full credit for whatever it can. Feminism doesn't have a monopoly on equality.

"Women still face the gender pay gap. Men still face the struggle to express emotions without being laughed at."
Pay gap don't real.
Regarding men's emotions, men don't really have a problem expressing them in the truest sense, but I don't think you have a clear picture of the situation at all, so I don't even know where to begin addressing that. Interesting that that's the problem you feel like you had to mention, was there nothing more pertinent worth mentioning?

[AllThatSweetJazz]

"Imbalances in certain work-fields and sports."
What constitutes as an imbalance?
Let's say 99% of people in a particular job are women. There's nothing technically wrong with that and isn't necessarily an imbalance.

"Stereotypes."
You mean like misogynist/racists/Nazis/alt-right? Because that's the stuff we heard all the time.

[Anon-ymous1]

Ehhh... it was mostly women to got themselves the right to vote.

[Anon-ymous1]

*who

[AllThatSweetJazz]

@Anon-ymous1 I didn't say anything about whether or not it was women, I said it wasn't feminists. Besides, it was men and women anyway, not that it really matters.

[Anon-ymous1]

... They were definitely feminists in the modern sense of the word, even if what we now consider to be "third wave" (or whatever) feminism didn't exist yet.

[Anon-ymous1]

Anyway, I think overall your comment is decent-- that part just makes little sense.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

@Anon-ymous1 You're talking about the *suffragettes* and again, they played a minor albeit dramatized role relative to the *Suffragists* who should take the most credit for working for universal suffrage.

[Anon-ymous1]

Um... source.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

@Anon-ymous1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw0IAFIhVfA
This is a nice little taste of it, but there's so much that goes into what kind of characters the suffragettes were. Just google and don't swallow the feminist narrative that they were all stunning and brave.

[Anon-ymous1]

I haven't. I'll see what it has to say.

[Anonymous]

You need more feminists period, since only 18% of Americans identify with feminism; and like 20% of British identify as feminist.

Feminism runs a lot deeper than you seem to believe. You are not quoting feminist *theory*. You're quoting 3rd wave feminism, which is basically feminism for uneducated monkeys.

But, regardless of what feminism means, it is a highly, highly contentious social position whom only a minority of people follow. So do you think you're doing people a favor by ascribing to a contentious label, rather than simply addressing each issue as it comes and throwing away the label?

We can all easily agree that women should not be coated in acid or stoned to death. But when you bring the label "feminist" into it, it doesn't even matter, because you start a fight. It no longer becomes about the issues. It becomes about your fucking label.

But, many of those problems do not even exist. That is the issue with feminism. It creates issues that don't exist, or blows ones that do exist out of proportion.

Single women earn more money than single men, now, for instance. And this "wage gap" is not based on the same job position--it's *overall*. And guess what? Men have a social obligation to support women financially. So what is truly equal? That men have that *and* women get the same amount of money? Is that equal? What about "women and children first"? Is that equal?

You understand literally nothing about what life was like 100 years ago. Do you know why women stayed at home? Because all the career options were limited to coal mining or laying railroads, tarring roofs, etc, etc. And sons did the same jobs as their fathers, often: few opportunities.

Before the Industrial Revolution, life was fucking hard. And dangerous. Women would not find fulfillment in those positions, if they were even physically capable of doing them. So, men did the hard labor and ran society, so women could focus on childrearing. But yeah. Probably really sucked for the 1% of women who could have become barristers.

Feminism did not give women the right to vote. The Industrial Revolution did. Because it created jobs that women were *capable* of doing. It created street lamps, which made the streets safer to walk. It made women more *capable* of becoming members of society. Without that, feminism would have done literally nothing, except get a hell of a lot of women killed.

Women *wanted* to stay at home. Until shit got easier, due to technological advances.

[Anonymous]

Oh ya THINK? Well, plenty of men that would have LOVED to believe me! The issue? The loudest of the feminists and often too the most extreme is what we get exposed to, the fake/hypocritical ones! Men are in this era of doom, where you are stuck either being a "nice guy," especially if you claim to support feminism, and women including feminists, perceive you as fake in order to get in their pants, whether or not that's actually true. On the other hand, if you are deemed meaner and more abusive, often, you DO attract women! They DO often LOVE this! But among feminists, again, they still don't like you cause you are in fact a jerk, trying to get in their pants. So then... what DO you do? Damned if you are mean, damned if your nice! So WHAT then? Women then no longer become worth it! Marriage and dating come into question and believe me, many men are starting to see pros and cons and often see WAY more cons. Once they do though, they then lack ability to talk to women at all anymore. So, they turn to other men. Thus creating an echo chamber of men, and often times, these feelings then become toxic and hateful of women, especially feminists. Ask many guys. Wanna be 1/3 don't agree with most of what I said? Try me. I was at one point inspired by MGTOW, but filtered out a lot of the toxicity. I even became a sort of male feminist myself after dating a feminist... she technically cheated on me. But at least she told me right after. What I found dumb is that she was starting to push for sex, not too hard, but subtly sometimes. Even though I was good with or without it. Actually stung a bit that she didn't get my personal reasons from refraining which is, my mom's dying wish to never get a girl pregnant before I'm ready. The last thing she wrote me! I suspect maybe she had her own issues with sex, so maybe that is why. Could ya blame me for respecting it so much? So I suspect it's part of the reason she cheated. Ironically, she broke up with the guy she cheated on me with after like 3 weeks over politics, but it's questionable why didn't check in the first place... Anyways, we got in a HUGE argument about some feminist ideas and I caught her red handed in deep hypocrisy. She also had this weird level of "understanding her ideas" that although, I was and STILL am, 100% confident I got, but to her, I could never get it. Ever. I was always below her ideas. Still am. No matter what i say or do. And it seems among feminists... this is common...

[Opinion Owner]

I know I shouldn't judge ALL feminists by one person, but I see the pattern between her and what I and many other guys say about other feminists. She left me feeling DEEPLY disappointing and numb. I trusted her and valued what she taught me about feminism and stuff so much. She was so different than anyone I had met. The one person I could trust for a second and even love... but she betrayed me, and REALLY hard. And if that's what feminists are like, sorry but I can see hypocrisy from miles away. We as men feel BEYOND unwelcome in the movement. Like we must have an secret motivation. I actually do want equality. TRUE equality. It'd help men out too anyways, so why not? But if feminists have no respect for nice guys, even TRULY nice guys, if they listen to obviously flawed music, shows, etc and then have the nerve to criticize US for what we like, then fuck it. Plenty of men offered their hand to women drowning in sexism, but they always refused the hand. And still do.

[Opinion Owner]

I know this is long but bare with me, as I must give examples. Specifically, take music. What do feminists listen to? Pop? Mainstream? And scrunch their noses at the "nice guys" who like rock, metal, and hard rap right? Well, let's see, WHICH music seems to support equality more? Compare the lyrics. See for yourself! Now think, WHAT do more women go towards, including feminists? What is lyric/videos are sex/Misogyny? What is about morals? WHO listens to what? Girls and guys?

Compare:
genius.com/Hopsin-ill-mind-of-hopsin-5-lyrics
VS
https://genius.com/Ed-sheeran-shape-of-you-lyrics

https://genius.com/Slayer-disciple-lyrics
VS
https://genius.com/Lady-gaga-lovegame-lyrics

www.songtexte.com/.../...-the-others-53bea731.html
VS
https://genius.com/Sugarland-babe-lyrics

https://genius.com/Rihanna-work-lyrics (this was on Huff Post's "women's march" playlist... yah talk about embarrassing much?
VS
genius.com/Hopsin-ill-mind-of-hopsin-7-lyrics

[Opinion Owner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL1UzIK-flA So, is this "feminist"? IS IT?
So what's that make this? Trash? Rock, aka, misogynistic trash?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lZGhh41W9k

I went WAY over what I needed to say to make a point, but as you see it's something I feel strongly about. I'll leave you with a scene from my favorite animes. It's edgy, but THIS is also how guys feel. Want to understand WHY guys aren't often feminists? Get into OUR stuff and actually GET us! Watch this anime, Kill La Kill, etc. Compare it to something like Full House. What's deeper? What's shallow? Think about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi9CMrm8R0Q

[Opinion Owner]

And no, that scene is NOT misogynistic. NOPE. Because notice, he draws CLEAR distinction between REAL life women, and ones that do not exist. There's nothing that suggests he'd start abusing actual women. He KNOWS it's not reality. He likely chooses instead to avoid women, but not specifically mistreat. Compare that to what women have done to him. Compare that to how the mean guys women seem to want treat them. Are nice guys that bad? Do we deserve the hate we have? Is that so much worse than the opposite, the guy that literally says, "hey, you look fun to rape"? Wouldn't it be better to take a chance with us and see who is actually nice and go with them? Or no, not enough of us are hot enough?

[fashionguy17]

LOL. Feminism is what's destroying society. The way I see it, women already have more rights than men when it comes to the law, for example:

-Child support - more men have to pay child support than women.

-Domestic Disputes/Crime - Men get into more trouble/more time than women for domestic violence and other crimes. For example, if a man has a sexual relationship with an underage teenager, he may get life in prison. If a female does it, she may get 5-10 years plus probation.

-Divorce benefits women more than men. I know men who have to pay alimony for life to their ex-wives.

Then, women also benefit from the unwritten societal laws:

-If a man doesn't pay for a first date, he is a bad guy/not worth dating, even if you are more than likely going to ghost him after he pays.

-Women get into bars/clubs/lounges for free just for being a woman while men have to pay.

-Women get way more attention than men on social media and have way more earning potential than men by utilizing social media.

-Women can form a #metoo movement and talk about abuse they faced, but if a man talks about his abuse, he is called a pussy and told to suck it up.

Those are just a few examples I have. So why do we need more men supporting feminism?

[worldscolide]

Spot on my friend. Absolutely right.

[kellyg83]

Well said!

[AlienParasite]

The thing is that feminism isn't that simple now. Feminism have grown up and gave birth to new different kinds of feminism. Now there are many feminist currents each one based in different philosophical and political thoughts.

There's marxist feminism, cultural feminism, individual feminism, radical feminism, ecofeminism, transfeminism and many more if we keep going.

Many girls and guys are not aware of this complexity. Many don't even really know what feminism means. Feminism doesn't mean "woman and men are equal" that's is a statement of individual feminism which makes legit the fight. Feminism it's a movement which based in individual equality fights for women to have same rights as men. But it has always been women's fight. Feminism has never fought for men. I mean, women could have fought for men like no do obligatory military service, or for both men and women to have same responsibility and go both to military service. Did feminism ever fight for men? No. It only fights one side. That why is called feminism, "fem", for "femmes", for women.

I could say many more things about how complex is feminism nowadays or about how developed. Just let's end saying that currents like radical feminism or cultural feminism are getting popular and are not as male friendly as in the begging of feminism with individual feminism. Those not male friendly feminisms are making men feel insecure, hated and therefore they put themselves against to any feminist current (cause they don't understand there's more than one feminism).

[ksoma]

I'm tempted to fill in all 2500 characters worth of reply space with links to:
a) articles and tweets which highlight sexual abuse, assaults, and rapes done by "male feminists"
and
b) blog posts, tweets, and articles, from women who are feminists, who write long winded, and very angry, explanations for why they never have, never will, or never will again, date or even befriend men who call themselves feminists.

Simple facts?
A man who calls himself a feminist is more likely to, know or some point in the past, been a sexual violator of women, than a man who hasn't.
And women, even those who are ardent feminists, are more likely to despise a man, either because she thinks he's a beta pussy loser, or because she is suspect of his motives, if he is a feminist.

I mean, I could discuss your take on feminism. Explain some things. Totally debunk others. But why bother, when I can point out that the least desired, least trusted, most despised and reviled type of man, even according to feminists, are male feminists?

[AlphaGhost]

That's the problem here "NObody in the fucking world accept the simple truth" its doing more harm than good right now. The very of FEMINIZING THE MAN is funny cuz you want to force change him but yet want to built Muscles and work Jobs like males.
I would say always remember the truth and I support rights for woman but change the word with "Egalitarianism" for both Genders BUT IN REALITY ITS RIGHTS FOR WOMAN BY DEGRADING THE MALE ONES"
Its working in opposite way too cuz I mean look at the tech gap covered up Asia and our population decline, We are society that used to have tech advantage but now its gone and Asia is beating us on every turn.
The have huge population and glorious past and they have civilizations that survived for thousand and thousand of years and in the end. We are just 700 Million strong against the world (on decline divided in to countries size of their cities) that we have killed with out reason (Iraq and Syria) they will try to revenge and they are known to extinct the entire races.
Last thing we need is this idiocy !

[Knighted2170]

I see what you're saying. But, the entire movement has been taken over and twisted.
But, there are subtle nuances that the movement never wants to take into account. One is the equal pay. Most females are paid equally (key word most). However, when or if they decide to raise a family they take time off from their work. The calculated time off shows a pay imbalance. It is not that they are not paid equally. They just take more time off.
Women are moving into more and more job roles that were traditionally all male. In England the British Royal Marines do not have a ban on women joining. They just don't have any females applying. Just like the NFL in the U. S. There isn't a ban, just no women try out.

A problem with the feminist movement is the degredation of child rearing. Since the movement took hold in the late 70's, strengthened in the 80's, became organized in the 90's, and made headway in the 00's. Kids have lost their value systems. They get their values from songs, TV, and movies. Somehow the schools are supposed to teach it now. Kids born in the 70's and raising families in 90's believed in a hands off approach with the failed "time out." Kids in the 80's raising kids in the 00's believed more in being friends than raising. This induced a entitlement mentality that prevails today.
Why? The extremest feminist movement that doesn't believe in traditional gender roles that has worked for a millennia. No one is accepting being accountable for raising kids.

Men and women are equal. At the same time, men and women are different. That is what feminism fails to realize.

That's my two cents on the topic. Disagree if you want, but I can show the historical facts if required.

[JustMyTake]

Why... why does it matter what I call myself. I honestly don't understand. I'm giving feminism a bad name if I don't use the term- I don't care. I want to address the problems men and women face, I don't care what the movement is called. If feminism said "here's the problem, here's the solution" I could be on board. I would be on board with solving the issue feminism is also trying to solve- I still wouldn't call myself a feminist. Depending on the issue of course.

Name an issue and a solution and if it doesn't hurt one gender and helps the other, I'm all for it and I will join in the fight with you. I don't join movements and I do not like labels on the whole. I hate radical feminists, they make my blood boil. I hate radicals in general. But I have no problem with fighting for something feminism is also fighting for. Just tell me what I can do to be of service, what the issue we're trying to solve is, and how it will benefit one gender without being detrimental to the other gender.

I don't need to agree with you on the science or data, I will stand alongside and fight for equality.

[Anpu23]

Hi there, Anpu, anti-feminist and Men's Rights activist here. I think that you miss the point, feminism in my eyes is not now, nor has it ever been about equality. To me it is a movement designed around two things:
First judging a society by how it treats it's women. (This is by judging a society by how it treats it's women, to the exclusion of how it treats it's other members)
Second by Patriarchy Theory as put forth by such works as "The Second Sex" that society has been ruled by men for the betterment of men at the expense of women. Which is demonstrably false.

Take as an example your women getting the vote, when women got that right in your country many men did at the same time, but feminism sees that action as exclusively effecting women.

For feminism to be palatable for men it would have to take quite a few steps
One recognize the harm to men and boys that it has caused
Second to understand that rights must be ballanced between the sexes that if a right of one sex impeads the rights of another that any legislation must ballance the two.
And lastly to stop dismissing male issues as secondary to female ones, to understand that if group. A is suffering that it does not excuse the fact that group B is also suffering. That suffering is not a zero sum game and neither gender has the right to dismiss problems of the other with the excuse that "we have it worse." (Whoch is neither provable nor relevant)

[TheSoundOfSilas]

The name itself carries a connotation that likely adds to its dubiously perceived nature.
It's called feminism, which contains 'feminine' as a prefix, so naturally people tend to assume that it's all about women.

We already have egalitarianism which covers not only the sexes, but races, religions, and social classes (to name a few) as well. As it stands for the equality of the sexes, egalitarianism does often overlap with and compliment feminism.

Then there exists individualism, where all are assumed to have equal rights and opportunities, but are solely responsible for their own actions.

I personally agree with feminist and egalitarian tenets, but I'm probably not *a* feminist or even an egalitarian due to the extra baggage that comes with full devotion.
I will always be aligned most with individualism and Social Darwinism.
All of humanity should have equality under the law and in opportunity. But once a person, be they female or male, proves themselves better than another, equality is replaced by superiority in all fields outside of the law.

[AmerRestInit]

FEMINISM ON MEN
I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it.
- Barbara Jordan, former Congresswoman

Do not put such unlimited power into the hands of the Husbands. Remember all Men would be tyrants if they could.
- Abigail Adams

I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.
- Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor

I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.
- Andrea Dworkin

The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men.
- Sharon Stone

Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release.
- Germaine Greer

If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males.
- Mary Daly

The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.
- Sally Miller Gearhart, in The Future – If There Is One – Is Female

FEMINISM ON CHILDREN
I do want to be able to explain to a 9-year-old boy in terms he will understand why I think it’s OK for girls to wear shirts that revel in their superiority over boys.
- Treena Shapiro

You know fetuses can’t scream, right? I transect the cord 1st so there’s really no opportunity, if they’re even far enough along to have a larynx.
- Leah Torres, MD

[AmerRestInit]

Need I go on?

[Aeon_Pirate]

You give the dictionary definition of feminism and totally ignore the practical application of feminism in today's society.

You talk about men being able to stay at home and raise the children if that is their choice. That all good and well, how many of us do you think want to stay home and raise the children and let our women support us. That's not how we think, well that's not how 98% of us think anyway.

You talk about "gender inequality" and mention the pay gap as an example. If you understood the data you would realize there is no PAY gap it's an EARNINGS gap that largely comes down to the different choices men and women make when choosing jobs/careers.

Lastly if you can name one RIGHT that a man has in this country that a women doesn't have, I will buy a "this is what a feminist looks like" shirt and where it in public because not only do women have the exact same rights they are afforded privileges that men never will be in this country. Such as NOT being required to register for the draft, having the family court system default being the kids go to the mother, and the Duluth model for domestic abuse being used basically everywhere now.

[ChronicThinker]

See, I get what you're saying, but feminism is never going to be about men. It's always going to be about women; which is FINE. Groups need a core-focus to be effective, but we have to stop making feminism out like it's all about men and women. It's about women being equal to men, no matter how they try to paint it. You won't see a woman at a feminist rally talking about how false rape claims against men destroy their lives. You won't typically see feminists having fundraising to get more all-male abuse shelters erected to protect men against physically/mentally violent wives. They won't ever talk about the unfairness in divorce.

Feminism will always focus on women's issues, which is why a lot of people don't assign themselves to it. Not because it's all inherently bad, but because the movement simply cannot represent everyone.

[Kauto_Star]

"but feminism is never going to be about men."
Feminism CANNOT be about men's issues BECAUSE IT BEGINS WITH FEM-

"It's always going to be about women"
Again it begins with fem. That's how it got its name.

" You won't see a woman at a feminist rally talking about how false rape claims against men destroy their lives. You won't typically see feminists having fundraising to get more all-male abuse shelters erected to protect men against physically/mentally violent wives. They won't ever talk about the unfairness in divorce."
Note such events are called [The] Women's march/strike/day of action/protest/ petition. No reference to men. Any feminist who says they care for men are BAREFACED LIARS.

"but because the movement simply cannot represent everyone. "
Feminism is not representative of all women. That's why there's many different factions of feminism.

[AmerRestInit]

Feminism isn't just about women, it's about this...

I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it.
- Barbara Jordan, former Congresswoman

Do not put such unlimited power into the hands of the Husbands. Remember all Men would be tyrants if they could.
- Abigail Adams

I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.
- Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor

I do want to be able to explain to a 9-year-old boy in terms he will understand why I think it’s OK for girls to wear shirts that revel in their superiority over boys.
- Treena Shapiro

Politically, I call it rape whenever a woman has sex and feels violated.
- Catherine MacKinnon

Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.
- Catherine Comins

[Anonymous]

There is a reason 99.9% of men do not support feminism, and that reason is feminism itself. Your characterization of the feminist movement flies in the face of the reality men experience from feminism in the real world.

Feminism does not help males; it harms males.

Feminism does not acknowledge and fight against the REAL issues males face in society today; it denies those issues and in fact actively opposes the acknowledge and resolution of those issues.

You need to open your eyes to the realities of feminism.

[Opinion Owner]

*acknowledgment

[Opinion Owner]

Hello SpiderManFan. I'm just curious whether you still support feminism or if perhaps your views have evolved any since you wrote this take a while back.

Cheers

[SpiderManFan2002]

I support my narrative of feminism which was the same as it was back then.

"the belief in equality for both females and males"

[Opinion Owner]

I support equality for both females and males too, which is why I do not support feminism. Feminism has nothing to do with equality. I applaud you for supporting equality but I urge you to do it without supporting the sexism and divisiveness of feminism.