Why the Betsy Ross Flag Matters

[RationalMale]

This will be a very short and sweet take for anyone who doesn't understand the Betsy Ross nike furor.

The left is almost united in their stance now against the flag of the early United States, because the goal is to attack the foundation of the United States. If you can attack the foundation of a nation, you are attacking everything that came from it--destabilize the foundation of a building and the entire structure is weakened. Destroy the morale of a people, convince them their country is illegitimate, their heritage is horror, and you can persuade them to accept the rule of foreigners and bow to their new betters.

Was the United States ever perfect? No. No nation has ever been perfect. And there has never been a nation that achieved power and greatness that did not have rivers of blood and brutality in the foundation, nor do most nations apologize for it. Look into the history of South America, or African nations, or Asia. The only difference is they don't apologize as they do far worse than we have done. (or in the case of Africa, they claim it was Europeans fault after Africans failed to conquer it. And yes, they held Spain for hundreds of years, depopulated coastal cities for their slave trade, and the Turks alone reached the gates of Vienna trying to conquer Europe)

My fellow Americans... true Americans, not paperwork Americans---we are part of the heritage of the single greatest nation the world as ever seen. And now people who hail from far more brutal, far less civilized nations, want to slander it, demolish it, and remake it into the barbaric lands they escaped from.

Are we seriously going to let this happen?

[Anonymous]

One thing that is wrong with America is that the settlers (who were immigrants) did horrible things to Native Americans and displaced them from their land. And now, modern Americans who are all descended from immigrants attack immigrants and want to deport them. Where is the justice in that? Many of them have ancestors that did far worse things to the Native population than current immigrants do. You are saying that people who hail from far more brutal nations want to slander America a remake it into barbaric lands. This is exactly how Native Americans must have felt when the settlers came. America is built on great crimes towards the Native population. And many countries in the world weren't as warlike or brutal as America was (even now, America is one of the most violent countries in the Western world, with cities in the top 20 most violent cities in the world).

[Anonymous]

I just can't believe their calling Betsy Ross a racist. They should be celebrating her for being the woman that created this flag that united the 13 colonies under one banner that represented them all equally. This flag never represented slavery. But to the left, that doesn't matter. As you correctly stated, they're attacking the foundations of this nation. That's why they tear down historical monuments, remove paintings, edit history books, and continue to attack and slander early American leaders as well. I hope we as Americans remember these attacks when it's time to vote and vote against those that are trying to destroy the history that our ancestors, regardless of skin color, have fought and died to defend.

[themomo84]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I don't understand the issue with the Betsy Ross flag on the Nike shoes but that's just me.

[CoffeeWC]

To some it is offensive because it was flown during a time of slavery.

[Rissyanne]

Well people drank water during a time of slavery... does that mean water is offensive?

[CoffeeWC]

I know, I never found it to be offensive. To me it represents the earlier days of the USA. But some people are just too ridiculous to understand that.

[JackSmy]

GREAT POST!!
I completely respect, and HONOR, the Betsy Ross Flag, but should it be on shoes, that get muddy, and messed up? I think no!!
I think Nike, is a clueless, messed up company, that can't sort their shit!! Kappernick, and now this flag thing, on shoes? Who is piloting the ship? The captain of the Exxon-Valdez? Running it aground, and fkcing up everything around?
Not buying anything Nike, ever!!

[kestrelkil]

How about this, the people on the right who wear the flag on their clothes R disrespecting the flag more. It gets in the mud and dirty and sweat. That's worse.
" I love the flag so much I'm gonna use it as underwear and let my junk touch it."
... that annoys me more

[lacaras]

Agreed, like, I'm sorry we were too busy laying the groundwork and setting up a government for a country that was the first of it's kind and didn't have time to also abolish an institution that had been around for millennia until several decades later. It's like people have no understanding of historical context.

[Curmudgeon]

I don't just call them Demunist Commiecrats for rhetorical pizzazz or flair. The Party has been taken over by treasonous, anti-American, and leftover communist influences.

[madgoat]

You seem to be implying that it's foreigners that are undermining American values yet, from the outside, it seems you are doing a great job of tying yourself up in knots.

[Romeo0071234]

I agree with this. Well said. 👍🏼

[Rissyanne]

To @Xlink who blocked me. Obama’s father was black and black people considered him the first black president

[Romeo0071234]

I really don't see how former president Obama come into play in this post..

[Rissyanne]

@Romeo0071234 because Obama had the Betsy Ross flag hanging at his second inauguration. But liberals say it’s racist. They are hypocrites

[Romeo0071234]

Ahh.. ok I see. Didn't know.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

This is a complete strawman argument. The left isn't claiming it's racist; they are claiming that it's been appropriated by far-right white supremacists. In other words it wasn't the left who said it's a racist symbol, it's the right.

[Rissyanne]

There you are with your “strawman”.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Rissyanne Because it is and calling it a "buzzword" doesn't change that.

[Rissyanne]

It’s retarded.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Rissyanne it's stupid to use a strawman argument because it's a logical fallacy.

[Rissyanne]

You know it’s liberals like you that will keep Trump in the White House lol

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Rissyanne You know it's Trump who's turned the country more liberal than it's ever been LMAO.

[Rissyanne]

Are you kidding people are sick of all the crazy liberal bull shit. AOC and company will keep Trump in the White House. Lol

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Rissyanne People are sick of having to go bankrupt over a medical expense, people are sick of the rich living a life of affluence while the average American can't handle a $400 emergency, people are sick of roasting heatwaves and violent storms damaging the infrastructure and you honestly believe this kind of rhetoric over a flag is going to make the US people turn to Trump? Talk about delusional
nymag.com/.../...w-most-liberal-ever-recorded.html

[Rissyanne]

People are sick of your liberal bull shit. Case closed. You liberals prioritize illegals over the American people. What kind of bull shit is that? I hope the ice successful in getting these criminals out of the country

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Rissyanne You and your associates might but don't pretend to speak for the American people as a whole. As for illegals, whatever you want to call them they make up 5% of the workforce (most occupying jobs employers can't get native born citizens to fill) and the cascading impact of suddenly getting rid of them will wreck the economy [https://www. cbsnews. com/news/illegal-immigrants-us-jobs-economy-farm-workers-taxes/]. So it's not that we're prioritizing illegals over citizens, it's that you're prioritizing your xenophobia over the well being of the country.

[Rissyanne]

Trump is getting rid of illegals who went before a judge and was told to leave the country. They need to go. Stop protecting criminals

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Rissyanne So you would rather see the country suffer from economic ruin than let people get away with a civil offense?

[Rissyanne]

That’s only in you liberals mind. It’s funny you are your own worse enemy

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Rissyanne Well given that everything I said is on record, it seems what's in our mind is just fact. We didn't turn the whole country more conservative than it's ever been, but Trump did the reverse of that.

[Rissyanne]

Lol it’s you liberals that are going to keep Trump in the White House lol

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Rissyanne It's the Trump administration that made the country more liberal than it's ever been, and that's what has happened, not speculation about what will.

[Rissyanne]

Lol you have no viable candidate. You’re going to lose

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Rissyanne We have quite a few more popular than Trump.

[Rissyanne]

Like who? Biden? He’s to busy fighting other democrats and sniffing women’s hair. Now they want him to apologize for all the illegals he and Obama deported.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Rissyanne Better to sniff women's hair then brag about unsolicited groping and keeping immigrants in cages with conditions so bad the UN's complaining about it.

[Rissyanne]

You liberals are about as stupid as they come. You didn’t mind it all when Bill Clinton assaulted women. You defended him. And it is illegals who are choosing to put their kids in cages.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Rissyanne You can't even take 15 seconds to google your conjectures to see if there's contradictory data LMAO. And that's like saying it's OK to put a child in a shitty orphanage after their parents are sent to prison because their parents chose to commit the crime. That doesn't make it OK to punish the child. Again, way to show everyone the right's true face.

[Rissyanne]

These illegals must think it’s ok or they wouldn’t be bringing them here. They need to stay in their own country

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Rissyanne So I guess people must think it's OK to commit crimes because they know that if they become incarcerated for a prolonged sentence their children will grow up without their mother and father so it's perfectly fine to let that child grow up in a crappy orphanage.

[Rissyanne]

You are the one saying it. Stop prioritizes illegals over the American citizens

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Rissyanne The rules of economics don't If workers are here legally or not and you're willing to get rid of 50% of the agricultural workforce just to keep people out for not having a piece of paper then you're prioritizing illegals over US citizens except instead of putting their interests ahead of ours, you're willing to hurt the nation's economy just so you can punish people for a civil offense.

[Rissyanne]

Democrats will never take back the White House. You just can’t help yourselves

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Rissyanne Uh huh is that why the candidates are so much more popular than Trump. I mean usually when people are in the primaries being set to go up against a current president it's rare that they're even half as popular as the current one but to have multiple candidates more popular than the current president is virtually unheard of.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

As for the immigration issue, >70% of Americans agree that undocumented migrants have a net positive impact on this country.

[Rissyanne]

Sorry I don’t believe that. So you are ok with them stealing identities?

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Rissyanne I'm not, but most don't do that and they're far from the only ones who do. Are you OK with losing over half the people who operate the countries' food production?

[Rissyanne]

So that is what you want them here for? To provide you with food? Maybe wash your car and cut your grass?

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Rissyanne Nope, wash my own car and cut my own grass. But tell you what, if you want them gone why don't you go work on a farm for free and grow your own food?

[Rissyanne]

You idiot I have actually done that.

[Rissyanne]

You think that is all they are capable off...

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Rissyanne No, if you red that link you'd know they fill a lot more jobs than just agriculture even though you think that they just steal identities.

[Rissyanne]

Well maybe you can keep your slave labor

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Rissyanne No, I just don't want to keep children in cages.

[Rissyanne]

You mean like Obama did

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Rissyanne No, I mean detaining them for extended periods of time. Do you know why Obama deported more than Trump? because he deported them ASAP instead of keeping them locked up as long as he could.

[Rissyanne]

So he did deport more. And no one said anything

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Rissyanne Because it isn't as simple as the more being here the better or worse. There is going to be an amount of migrant workers in the country that is going to be optimal for the economy and he brought the number to that amount.

[Britantic]

They are trying to do the same with the union jack.

[spartan55]

You don't say why the left is against the Betsy Ross flag, just that they are?

[selfdestruction]

Because it was a flag flown during slavery.

[spartan55]

@selfdestruction
Okay, I see it as slavery was part of our country at that time and was not symbolized by our countries flag. I don't think one has to do with the other tbh.

[selfdestruction]

Agreed

[Liam_Hayden]

The funniest, or rather dumbest, part of the "protest" is that Betsy Ross was a Quaker who lived in Philadelphia. Quakers were abolitionists and slavery was illegal in Philadelphia.

[Nadim171]

I'm not American. But no nation EVER even the Vatican doesn't have war crimes. Yes, America was built on genocide of native Americans but so were all other nations

[Hagijoe]

There were 2 Betsy Ross flags at Obama’s 2nd inauguration and no liberals cried then

[Xlink]

Why not keep that in a museum

[Rissyanne]

Actually Obama had it at his 2nd inauguration

[Xlink]

Obama was white

[WintersDaughter]

Obama was black.

[Xlink]

In what world does a black guy looks like that?

[Xlink]

He a BI-RACIAL sent by the white community to put African Americans to sleep. AND BEING BI-RACIAL WHITES DONT WANNA CLAIM HIM.

[Xlink]

The fact that the lady above in my comments thought I would care about OBAMA being "black" is proof of that. Only dumb Black people like Obama. HE HELPED WHITE PEOPLE AND IMMIGRANTS AND GAYS MORE THAN BLACKS.

But she gotta pretend she dont know that or it throw away the trojan horse persona that Obama put on.

[WintersDaughter]

I can agree that Obama was dumb. Most, if not all democrats/liberals are stupid and can't think. Liberals want to help illegal immigrants, not their country. Which is why Trump will win. He cares about the American people

[Xlink]

He don't care about none of you lol. He care about rich people and him self. Immigrants are safety issue for white people aka yout life and existence.
For blacks we gotta compete with them.

Those poor white people lol are gonna need to cheap health care when in 5 year your jobs get taken away.

I don't encourage black person to vote for either party unless they specifically got something for them that's mandatory.

If trump wins it's not gonna affect black people unless it gets rid of healthcare. he's going after the browns be it middle eastern or Mexican.

We can survive another 4 years.

[PinkMichae]

Great myTake.

[legion6969]

Never heard of it.