Politics, The Future, and The Divided States of America

[zollo]

It's late at night so I may be rambling but being a younger person in America right now is fucked. I'm so scared as to what will happen to our country, I don't know if it's just because i'm finally old enough to care about politics or if it's because something really is happening but America is deeply divided. Now I am aware that america has basically always been "divided", there's always been Republican's and there's always been Democrats, and both parties have different beliefs. There has also always been Radicals on either sides, it seems like more of them are popping up though.

It feels like both sides have stopped communicating and they're now just chanting one liners at the other party wanting change desperately but the other party is doing the exact same thing back so no ones even listening! It's like when an argument happens and you have to scream louder and louder just to be heard, like were all screaming into a void but the only real way to get noticed now amongst all the noise is to do something big and crazy.

You have your opinions and I have mine but for fucks sake why does that mean we can't get a drink and talk together? You don't have to like me you just have to listen to me! Everyone's scared now of what others would think or would do if they knew what you believe, I'm scared that no ones even listening to reason anymore, i'm scared that were all devolving into scared animals that feel the need to growl at other animals to guard our territory.

I see all these supposed leaders of our country not able to get along, not willing to meet up half way, to mend the divide and make a solution that would align with most people. I thought this was supposed to be civil professional people working to build ALL of America up, no mud slinging low blows and fake misleading news that targets one party.

I just don't know what's gonna happen and I don't know what to do about it but boy do we need a change. If we don't realize that were tearing america apart we will never be able to heal and we will only get farther apart further cementing our place as The Divided States of America.

[MercuryG]

Honestly I'm so tired of this system of indoctrination and blame. I love this country and what it was intended to be. But like most governments through history, great concept, horrible in execution. At least parts are, the parts that involve people arguing who's 'right'.

The whole two dominant party thing had gotten out of hand. And if you try to participate with views that don't solidly land you in one party or another, you're subjected to ridicule, abuse, and worse from BOTH sides. Believe me, I've tried to find a place on both sides of the isle. Their system is meant to indoctrinate you into their whole viewpoint and ESPECIALLY their derision of their opponents.

An opposing political party and it's members are NOT enemies, they're people just like you trying to make ends meet and make sure the future is the best it can be for themselves or their kids. We've all come from different places and experiences, yet more often than not we find things in common with our fellow citizens if we're honestly trying to connect.

I would bet that every person who condemns members of their opposing political party would make fast and true friends of them if they were never made aware of their chosen political affiliations. We're all people, that's what we do.

Now let's see how unpopular my opinion is because people want someone to blame more than they are willing to be accepting of others differences.

[Dude_1820]

Yes! You but the nail right on the head. I completely agree. I'm a Conservative. But I've been able to enjoy a drink with people who are Democrats and either we have an intelligent debate for fun or we agree to disagree and just socialize. It's refreshing too. But there are so many that aren't like that.

Personally, I pride myself on trying to remain neutral. I have my personal political views. I'm not a Rep or a Dem. I will support who I think is the best fit. I will be the first person to call out people on my side too. I consume news from both sides as well to get both sides and make an informed judgement.

Given your remarks, check this out. I think you'll like it

www.ted.com/.../up-next?language=en

[Epbrooks302]

It’s all about the money honey. I’m independent so I see both sides. The republicans are so brainwashed by Trumps lies and bigotry that they see nothing else. On the other hand Dems are easily offended and want to take away our own rights to put their minds at ease like it will solve all problems. The media is not helping matters either. All of the one sided stories are just a diversion to hide something bigger. Although they say they care about our needs and spew all these big promises, all they really care about is the money. The best thing to do is be aware and not let the media influence your decisions. Look independently at both sides from an unbiased source and decide for yourself. You can’t help what others do or think. You’ll worry yourself to death over this if you don’t chill.

[bamesjond0069]

Trumps bigotry? Lmao. Wtf.

[Kaazsz]

Trump isn't a bigot. You’re still drinking the liberal Kool Aid if you still believe that and you’re not really seeing both sides.

[Agape93]

Political polarization and partisanship makes it damn near impossible to get along anymore. It divides us, nothing more. It’s modern day tribalism. As long as your beliefs don’t harm me and mine, I couldn’t care less what you believe in. Believe in a pasta monster god? Cool. Believe in anti choice? Cool. Believe in removing my rights or calling for my harm, that’s when I have a problem with someone.

[NearlyNapping]

Here's my point of view as one of those "radicals".

The divide between liberal and conservative has gotten greater and greater. Why blame the liberals? Because liberals, by definition, are the ones constantly pushing for change. They are the ones "doing". Conservatives are not against change. They just take a much slower and more cautious approach. They are not the ones "doing". If they aren't doing, then they can't be responsible for the divide.

You could break it down to "doing" vs "not doing". So what is a compromise between those two? It always means "doing". Maybe not as much, or as fast, as liberals would like. But it always means "doing".

What this means is that compromise always means liberals get their way. Liberalism used to be a good thing. That's in the past though. It does not justify liberalism in the present or the future. The problem is that liberalism has gone too far, and that's been true for a long time. It's moved to the point where conservatives have drawn a line and said enough is enough.

Compromise always means liberals get their way. But no more. Enough is enough. No more compromise. No more dialog. Compromise and dialog in the past has only led to way too much liberalism. It has to stop.

Conservatives are tired of liberals ALWAYS getting their way. Conservatives are going to get their way for the first time in the life of anyone alive today. That means putting a complete stop to liberalism. And as far as I'm concerned, that needs to be done by any means necessary.

Oh, by the way, I'm not even all that conservative. I'm a moderate. However, due to the reason stated above, I'm very anti-liberal. They are the enemy and must be stopped. Yes, the US is very divided and liberalism is to blame. It's hard to say that conservatives are to blame when the country was less divided when it was more conservatives. It's only liberalism that's done this.

Enough is enough. No more compromise. More liberalism WILL lead to more division. You can only stretch a rubber band so far before it snaps.

[zollo]

I feel like Your anti- Liberalism approach is just as divisive though. To me being Anti any political group just seems ignorant and stubborn, sure you don't have to like them but to say they the group should be completely eradicated is discrediting a large group of people which like I said causes more division.

[NearlyNapping]

But I didn't cause the division. What you are saying is that liberals should continue getting their way, which causes more division. My view does not cause division. My view wants to keep the divide from getting any wider.

[zollo]

No i'm not saying you caused the division but I feel like isolating a whole group of people isn't exactly going to do any good. Saying get rid of this group their bad isn't going to make them change their minds or just back off, if anything it'll just cause more problems because you're trying to get rid of a whole group of people. Does that make since? It's logical that if someone tried to get rid of your group you'd fight back because you believe in your group, thus causing more fighting and division.

[NearlyNapping]

So I should just let liberals have anything they want? Either I let them have anything they want, or I say no. There are no other options.

Your "solution" to division seems to be letting them have whatever they want.

[zollo]

lol Liberals aren't spoiled children there people who have different beliefs like the rest of us. If you want to fight against liberals to get a certain thing you want because you believe in in then go for it, you have every right and I would never stop you. BUT, to outright discredit everything that has to do with liberals, liberalism, and blame a certain party only for the divide in america is divisive.

[Syrian_survivor]

@zollo whatever liberalism currently looks like or what its people believe in and "fight" for, it's still a plague for the country, and it is the only reason why division is spreading on wider severe scales, therefore liberalism, whatever the intentions of its people are, IS the enemy here, it's a negative rebellion that had obviously had disastrous effects on the whole country, and you can't deny that.

It's only logical to fight the enemy back, don't you think?

[zollo]

@Syrian_survivor Yeah but don't you think your statement is a little reminiscent of "All Jews must die", saying that it's the "plague for the country". I just can't get on board with such a rash idea.

[Syrian_survivor]

@zollo I'm not promoting any ideas, I'm just stating facts.

But see what you're doing here? You're compromising, just like @NearlyNapping said, compromising only means you support liberalism and the division it's making.

I don't think there's an in-between in this situation, you either fully support it (like you do) or you fight back against it (like how me and him see it). But about "eradicating" all liberals, it's impossible to eradicate them so that's not what I mean, I don't know if there's a logical way of "cleansing" those people, but whatever I said doesn't mean all of them must die.

In my opinion, liberalism supporters are just brainwashed to not think of this as division, but as a way to encourage "freedom, love, peace, tolerance, and acceptance", it's just sugarcoated and masked as a beautiful thing to trick their followers, because who wouldn't want love and peace, right? (spoilers, this love and peace is a massive lie and will only lead to more destruction and division in the future)
So you can say they're innocent, but stupid, but still none of them deserve to die because of it.

[Syrian_survivor]

There ARE brainwashed conservatives as well, don't get me wrong, and they DO cause some harm and divison, but none of it even compares to the harm and division liberals are causing, it just looks better for them because of the masks they use (love, acceptance, peace, etc), while conservatives just say the cold truth and honestly what they want, which is why they don't get as much support and they're seen as the morally wrong here, that's my opinion.

[zollo]

@Syrian_survivor But that's what you do in life, you compromise! We've been taught that since a young age, to compromise when playing toys or playing games. If billy wants to play hide and seek and Katy wants to ride bikes then lets just do one of those things first or combine them and play hide in seek with bikes! I don't understand how compromising is only supporting liberals unless it means to be a conservative you don't budge on your ideas and it's your way or no way. Both parties have to compromise, the left AND the right.

[Syrian_survivor]

@zollo that's a solid argument, but you still didn't cover the main point here which I'd like to hear about from you, how the hell can liberals and conservatives compromise?

Don't tell me what they have right now is compromise, people are getting arrested in Canada for refusing to call freaks with their desired pronouns, and when Trump goes away and a dumb democrat takes his place, that stuff will crawl its way to America as well, it'll take over everything and conservatives will only get more and more oppressed, that is NOT compromise, that is abuse.

[zollo]

@Syrian_survivor Depending on what their trying to do depends on the compromise, i'll just use the example of Trans gendered people since you brought it up. But first, the statement about Canada locking people up for miss using pronouns is false, here are two links about that and you can always search it up if you want www.foxnews.com/.../not-real-news-no-jail-in-canada-for-misusing-gender-pronoun ... factcheck.afp.com/no-canadians-cannot-be-jailed-or-fined-just-using-wrong-gender-pronoun . Back to the hypothetical compromise, Since the liberals are more for equality for all then they could say "We don't want you do discriminate people based on what they identify with" and conservatives who are more traditional could say "Fine, but I don't have to like them." In that scenario since it's on the topic of equality the liberals got the better chunk of it but in another situation like with guns it may go like, Conservative "You can't take ALL my guns away" Liberal "Fine but at least give me the assault weapons". In that situation the conservatives got to keep almost all of their guns except the ones that should really only be used in war and the liberals got those guns out of most peoples hands.

[Syrian_survivor]

@zollo the fact that a bill to pass such a law was added already shows how radical liberals can be.

But that doesn't even matter! If liberals wanted equality that would be totally okay, hell I wouldn't even mind liking and respecting what they identify with or as in that case, but spreading it on such a huge scale, pushing it down everyone's throats including kids at schools, having an entire "pride month" for no reason at all while the soldiers who sacrificed themselves to protect the country have only one day a year to be celebrated, how is that even fair? They're basically taking new ground on all levels including social and political, it's toxic and it's obviously too much, how are you supposed to "compromise" with that? This isn't about encouraging gay/trans people to come out of the closet anymore, this is about forcing their ideologies on everyone and actively gaining more and more support because of runaway minors who "think" they are gay for example. They're basically "buying" those who are incapable of critical thinking by offering them free stuff, and using that huge memberbase to gain an advantage and gain more ground.

Am I going too far here? Did I say anything exaggerated? I don't think so but I'd like to hear your opinion

[zollo]

@Syrian_survivor I think if everyone was like "okay i'll respect what people think and what they identify as and not discriminate against them" then there wouldn't have to be specific laws for that but some people aren't willing to just let people be people and they will go as far as to do hate crimes like shootings, killings, stalking and harassing. If their isn't any laws protecting Trans people then when something happens to them it's harder to convict someone based on a hate crime. For example, Veterans to my knowledge don't have laws specifically protecting veterans from hate crimes because they don't get harassed for just being a veteran (I'm sure it's happened before but it's not a wide spread problem like with the LGBTQ+ community). If a kid is getting bullied in school because of his race then their needs to be action taken place and they need to talk to the students to inform them that it'snot okay, nobody should want to kill themselves because of what they where born as, same goes for trans gender people.

Regarding Pride month, I don't know why it's a whole month and Vets only get a day. I think it's similar to black history month in the since that a lot of bad things have happened to Black people and LGBTQ+ not under their own volition and to honor and reflect on that history is important. I do think that Vets should have a longer holiday like a week or something, most places already extend veteran day deals that are for vets to a full week or a three day weekend anyway.

[Syrian_survivor]

Black what? That's a thing?

See? I never even heard of that, because it's not widespread on such a severe level by the media and its bullshit
So having a whole month of gay parades and celebration which are most of the times perverted and include children a good way of changing people's minds? No! That's called forcing an ideology in the worst way possible!

There is absolutely no point in pride month existing, it's barely to show LGBTQ pride, it's mostly to brag about a sexuality (what?), spread the trend even more, corrupt little children with perverted sexual things they shouldn't even be exposed to, and giving a completely toxic and unacceptable image of the community itself, it does nothing good for the community at all, it does more harm tbh and it's pointless.

And if they want laws, don't they already have that? Isn't it general hate speech (homophobia, transphobia)?

And celebrating your "gay victory" for one whole twelvth of a year is pretty sketchy, it is NOT celebration, that's what the LGBTQ community is fooled to believe, it's just toxic spreading and forcing which nobody appreciates but have to accept because otherwise they'll be hated and called names, there's no "I don't have to like them" option here, and it's becoming more and more "monstrous" to have that opinion.

Why don't Muslims have a whole national month to celebrate their "existence"? They were oppressed before in the west and only have been newly allowed to be Muslims there, why isn't there a Muslim Pride Month? Because the media doesn't wanna spread that, it's the exact opposite of what they're trying to achieve, while spreading LGBTQ has plenty of advantages for liberal media to grow stronger and more dominant.

[invalid1]

I'm not an American, though intellectually interested in its politics. But relax calm down.
Division is the core of democracy. I drunk coffee once with an American who told me there's gonna be a civil war there. And then I -Being from the middle east- ... I exploded laughing.
Apparently you're very influenced by the media, you don't know how a divided country really looks like. Just turn off the TV. It's Fox News and CNN who are divided. so why are you so emotional about it? the media's job is to make you stressed out, and annoyed. Politics sucks, I know how hatred feels like. We've been there before our cities turned to ashes. I'm not saying it's gonna be the same god forbids. But in the end, young people, don't just swallow what the media tell you, don't be so ideologists.
You're saying this now. What would you say if you lived during the Vietnam war and the blacks slavery. and so on. So as long as democracy is above all. everything is fine. You can have some kind of dictatorship where you can't have this division, and you all be the same opinion, uniformity, America is all that's there. and you be so loving to each other, no arguments and debates (Otherwise you'll have ur bullet in the head) . But believe me it's so damn boring 😂😂😂
Just enjoy this right now.

[zollo]

Very interesting point, I like it. Thank you.

[Sensmind]

I don't know has it always being there but the whole 24/7 nature of TV and social media today has amplified the polarisation - The "Narrative" becomes more important than policy - Politicians obsess over who controls it but that seems a nonsense as most people are breastfed news from sources that mirror their own - Populism especially right wing populism has turned politics on its head, most countries had a fairly even split and whoever won the election was the side who picked up the swing voters but I think populism shows that if you have a fervent base say 98/99% turnout and the other side's turnout is 85%, you will win so this leads to strategies of both sides playing purely to their base and the poor swing voter in the middle going "Hello... Remember me... Is anyone going to try to convince me"
I do somewhat fall into the trap myself but I think it is best to get out of the sandpit when the squabble is on. The future I honestly don't know, short of a mythical type character that maybe could unite both sides into constructive policy, I am like you with a lot of fears about where we are going.

[BCA6010]

"I don't know what to do about it but boy do we need a change."

Well, you just summed up a problem right there- it's easy to complain about something without offering solutions, and that's a huge problem in politics. It's very difficult to get anyone to sit down and talk about something when all they do is recognize (or assume) there's a problem, and b*tch and moan and point fingers without proposing anything resembling a viable plan.

So here's the situation: you are partially correct, although it's mainly the Democrats who are refusing to budge on any issue whatsoever, while the Republicans refuse to give up anything in exchange for nothing. This is an impasse. How are we at this point? Well the Democratic strategy right now is to oppose any and all things President Trump does purely for political reasons, which is nonsensical since he's actually pretty moderate and an easy guy to negotiate with, who has given them every opportunity to do so. In response to what the Dems are doing, the Reps are doing more or less the same thing. If you want to fix it, mobilize voters and get rid of your congressmen if they're part of the problem. Less than a quarter of our voter population pays any attention to congressional and senatorial elections but that's where almost all of the problems are.

[BreakingSound]

Look at you and your conservative apologetics.

[Dargil]

I won't bother elaborating because unlike historic Liberals and Conservatives, there is no middle ground. The Left wants to dismantle America. The Right wants to preserve it. Civil war is approaching. If Trump loses in 2020, there will be Civil War. If he wins, there will be Civil War. The Right possesses the vast majority of privately owned weapons and the skills to use them. The US Military is predominantly Right and will not suppress the Right and will stand back as best they can from the Left and let us settle the matter with the Left.
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In the process, the rule of law and the Constitution will be suspended while the Right cleans up the mess. We will declare Red and Blue America and we will require allegiance to Red America or give you the option of deportation to Blue America. Insurrection within Red America will be suppressed with prejudice and the Leftist corruption of our laws will be erased. starting with the First and Second Amendments. Dangerous days are approaching and it will not be pretty. But it has to happen if the USA in some form will live beyond 250 years.
Now, where's my meds?

[Dargil]

+1 for a worthwhile dialog.

[zollo]

So take out all the people you don't agree with or convert them?

[Dargil]

Naah.. Just deport them.

[Dargil]

They have their human rights but those don't include infringing on mine. And where they expressly intend to infringe on mine, I default to me.

[zollo]

That seems way to rash and much like a dictator, "you either conform to my beliefs or leave the country". Regarding this quote " we will require allegiance to Red America or give you the option of deportation to Blue America".

[Dargil]

You didn't misunderstand me. Middle ground is what got us to where we are. As with death and pregnancy, there's no middle ground. We either take a stand or we let it go.

[Dargil]

And this is still a worthy dialog. We are doing better than the US House on framing the issues. MAGA!

[ForbesMagazine]

Deportations throughout history to preserve national stability have actually be quite common, not dictator like at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer
en.wikipedia.org/.../Population_exchange_between_Greece_and_Turkey
en.wikipedia.org/.../Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944–1950)

[UncleJessieRabbit]

I dear hope that a conservative-leaning society can be re-established in some form and that we don't all ultimately perish because of the violence of the radical left.

[zollo]

@ForbesMagazine It just seems gross, this isn't getting rid of people who are coming into the country so we can preserve what we have this is getting rid of Americans who have been here for years and years. I mean how would you even go about that? There is so many people that you would have to move and no where to put them. It's literally one side saying " I don't agree with you so get out of my country" when it's not THEIR country it's OUR country. I'm willing to bet that in all the links you gave me that not every person who was forcibly moved was not only not happy about it but was ruined in some way or another. Your up rooting your whole life unwillingly to be horded like cattle to a different country because an opposing side doesn't want you there. That will just cause more hatred amongst those people and would likely just create more radicals. And who would you deport, all people who lean to the left? I lean to the left so that means I would be deported, America is supposed to be the home of the free where people can have there own thoughts and opinions, my opinions aren't "Kill all white men" or "Take all the guns". Just cause I'm left leaning doesn't mean I'm a cray left radical who's out for your rights as an American. So then how would you decide who can and can't stay? Going person by person wouldn't work because it would take to long and people can lie, but pointing at an entire group is useless because you end up hurting people that aren't hurting you thus causing hatred and just making that party stronger because while before they might not have had a problem with you once you literally banish a person from their country you can imagine that they might hold so not so nice feelings toward you.

[Kiran_Yagami]

Echo chambers are a problem, but the divide is deeper than that. It's a fundamental difference in our interpretation of the constitution and the rights we should have as Americans. I will never even entertain supporting the Democrats again, because they are anti-free speech, anti-gun, which are the single two most important amendments in the Bill of Rights. And the Dems will happily loophole their way to destroying free speech by using private monopolies like Twitter, Facebook, and Google to deny your right to be heard instead of doing it in law. Yes, the law was intended to prevent the government from taking your right to speak, but when giant corporations want to act like the government then they should be treated with the same heavy handedness. But no, the Dems like it that way. They like big tech stepping on our rights, just like they like big tech trying to take our guns by having banks no longer accept firearms transactions. Without a bank or financial institution to exchange cash, a business cannot run. Again, Dems using third parties to step on our rights. I will never approve of such a behavior.

[zollo]

I feel like all Democrats aren't like that though. Saying an entire group of people is "This" seems wrong. Saying all republicans are racists just because some of them are isn't right either. I used to think I was a democrat because it seemed to mostly align with what I thought but now I honestly identify as nothing because I would get lumped in with things I simply didn't at all believe. Like someone would say "oh you're a Democrat? So that must mean you believe our guns should be taken away and we should let all the 'Mexicans' into our country." I don't like that people have this rooted idea that just because some people from a group act and think a certain way that all the people in the group think that way or just that the people that do think that way just get more coverage because it'll spark more debate.

[Kiran_Yagami]

If they aren't like that then why is EVERY SINGLE 2020 CANDIDATE anti-gun and anti-free speech? During the debates every candidate trips over the next to prove how "progressive" they are. Who wants open borders? EVERYONE DOES! Who wants free health care? EVERYONE DOES! Who wants to ban guns? EVERYONE DOES! There's not an ounce of nuance between them. They have the same talking points and just compete to see who can do them to a more extreme degree. So please, don't tell me not to say "they're all like that" when they are literally all like that. And then you have extreme extremists (absurd that I have to be redundant to distinguish) like Maxine Waters who want you to harass Republican law makers in public, like at restaurants and shopping malls in order to intimidate them. Or like Nancy Pelosi who promote milk shaking. That is fucking wrong.

[zollo]

Well agree to disagree then.

[AmandaYVR]

Damn, Girl, you're a great writer. Are you really only 19? Got a good head on your shoulders.

I agree with everything you said. My only comment is remember that the louder shouting voices come through more, we hear them on their soap boxes, but there are still calm, reasonable moderates out there. The proportions suck now, things are devolving, but not everyone's driving off the cliff just yet (fingers crossed). You should keep writing and spreading your well thought-out words.

[MackToday]

The beginnings of the red pill I see. Follow the rabbit hole deeper like we all do. Here's a good place to start as you move away from the normies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPojltjv4M0

Here's another good one. I'm on here now and then, message me if you want help studying this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knOwcZ0y5IE

[katiesmuff]

I think you are very close to being totally right. The big issue is why do we STUPID citizens keep electing the same clowns term after term allowing them to continue spewing their BS on us while also filling their pockets with money. Even though most of the politicians and electorates won't consider enacting term limits on all Federal. State and County elected positions we the citizens could get this done ourselves as they come up for re-election. Should never be an elected person in that position for more than two terms. It would make a tremendous difference on the way our country would operate.

[Syrian_survivor]

Are there any better options?

If you don't want clowns to run for president, you literally have no other options than what you currently have, otherwise a rebellion is what you can do 🤷

[jarredcbizzle]

It is actualy our right and responsibility to do just that. Problem is our youth is too concerned with likes on instagram amd fb. And our working class citizens are too busy surving in this economy to care. the only people left are the middle class and upper class which is who the media targets with propaganda. And believe every word like theyre being spoonfed a golden truth.

[jarredcbizzle]

It is actualy our right and responsibility to have had a revolution by this point. Problem is our youth is too concerned with likes on instagram amd fb. And our working class citizens are too busy surving in this economy to care. the only people left are the middle class and upper class which is who the media targets with propaganda. And believe every word like theyre being spoonfed a golden truth. If u read the constitution amd the amendments ot is actually designed so that we actually have all the power. The moment we were forced to pay taxes by the irs... Which by the way is a total scam we should have revolted. Legaly we shouldn't even have to pay taxes. Only government officials and jobs are required to pay a income tax. But weve all been doing it for so long we just accept it as normal. I encourage some of you to read some of our laws in the constitution and amendments. here's a website with truth and sources as proof. Famguardian. org

[oddwaffle]

Couldn't have won the war for Independence without the French. Maybe try to ask what would the French do...

When those who hold people powerful positions care more about keeping their seats than the betterment of their people, they should be replaced.

Too bad, most of them keep going for decades and nobody cares.

[sawno]

Blame the left on this one, the right is more than willing to engage in civil debate but the left shuts any sense of reason out of the window to protect their undefendable idea's. I recently experienced this first hand where a popular left wing run instance on the platform Mastodon banned me for desiring to follow people on Gab. Meanwhile Gab was very open, tolerant of all opinions and had left wing users debate me on the platform.

[zollo]

But I feel like that's just so divisive and gets nobody anywhere. (╯︵╰,) Hating a whole group of people just seems rash, there's always bad eggs but that doesn't mean they spoil the whole basket.

[sawno]

The problem is its systemic, there are plenty of reasonable people who wish to debate on the entire spectrum. But the left is shielded off by tyrants who do not tolerate opposing opinions on their platforms. It caused the left to get extremely radical while the right has been kept in check for the most part since they are exposed to the entire political spectrum.

[zollo]

Well agree to disagree then.

[sawno]

What do you disagree on? I am merely telling you my observations and interpretations. It would be a shame to end the discussion this early on a topic about the fact we do not engage enough.

[MercuryG]

Disagree on blaming one side for this behavior. I've seen BOTH sides so exactly what you're citing as the problem. Don't blame an entire group for the actions of a few, especially when the group you're part of is doing the same.

[sawno]

@MercuryG I was specifically blaming platforms like facebook, twitter and especially mastodon. I don't often see it in the specific groups you could consider me a part off, but it does happen sure. The difference is that it is not systemic as far as i have seen. But feel free to give me examples of opinions getting banned of platforms you associate with my kind of political view.

[zollo]

And would you say that your political view is on the right?

[sawno]

It would fall on the traditional center.
I am a progressive liberal but not a marxist/communist who is also a capitalist / nationalist and thus a populist. I am against mass migration but for proper asylum. Highly pro democracy.

[AmandaYVR]

@zollo Right! You are the next generation coming up. Keep fighting the fight. Some positive trends with the younger generations are more interest in multiculturalism (and having relationships with mixed races of varying backgrounds), caring about the planet and environment, political activism, and most importantly, inclusiveness.

[sawno]

@AmandaYVR I see possitive trends as well. The internet is excellerating growth because children are exposed to politics and we all collecticely come to conclusions. More and more people are aware of identityseggregation which is caused by things like LGBT and multiculturalism and want to stop the phenomenon from happening. The care about the environment and tollerance for the right solutions has grown. Racism is being combatted more and more and all in all the public debate is going well in the places where it is allowed. But on places like twitter and universities people opposed toradical left wing politics get shunned out of the conversation and as a result a large group is shielded from the debate and thus do not understand the difference between multiculturalism and having a diverse set of subcultures. The first one being multiple cultures living on the same land who do not agree how that land should be run (Language, values, law, etc). Vs having one liberal main culture which is minimal enough to allow a wide variety of sub cultures to flourish with their own food, religion, etc. Multiculturalism is the opposite of inclusiveness because while these people are forced to life together they do not actually life as one society.

[Dargil]

But just like with observant Muslims, Leftism is incompatible with a Federal Republic.

[Liam_Hayden]

The problem I see is that politicians have forgotten that their primary responsibility is to make sure the government protects people and their property. It has morphed into a scam where each side attempts to extort funds from the other through taxation and then uses the funds to reward its own supporters.

[MarketNews]

Not just from taxation but also from mutinational corporate donors.

[IreallyhateGAG]

Doesn't it sound kind of fucked up to you? Why would we be split down the middle like this? The 2 party system is a way to scam us and trick us. To make us fight with each other over everything possible. Meanwhile as we fight with each other the government is planning to put an RFID chip in our arms.

[demonics]

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[BigJake]

There is going to be some sort of political violence in this country. At this point, it's inevitable. People are too entrenched on both sides to ever really work together anymore. The left is full of moralizing prigs who want to push the country into socialism, and the right is full of angry nationalists who feel we're losing the country to globalist social engineering run by Soros, Inc.

What makes me believe there will be conflict is the commitment level of both sides. I know plenty of people in my hometown who are ready to fight and die if need be to save this country. I also know that there are plenty of people on the left who feel the same. They feel they're moral crusaders against the racism and "injustice" they see all around. Neither side is willing to back down, and both feel as though their cause is just. That's a recipe for war if there ever was one.

[Dargil]

As I stated above.

[Djaay]

The division is caused by political correctness. This is exactly what put Christ on the cross . It can also be translated as ( the opposition against GOD ) .
Our future in this country without GOD is ; Is eventually the anti-christ as a one world order.
It's now the Devil and darkness against the light against God and his righteousness with his chosen souls.
This country isn't United at all right now and I'm afraid it never will be the same.
The right wing and the left wing belong to the same bird. A evil vulture who chastises the lives of the living , only to consume those who are presumed by they're own standards as dead.

[Thatsamazing]

Well... yeah. This is because of the Internet. The Internet makes conversations into nonversations, where people can block each other for no reason or devolve complex issues into fucking memes or whatever, for God's sake. So... have important, difficult, listening discussions in person when you can, and things will slowly get better.

[francis51s]

Well the left is on a landslide to destroy themselves by throwing anyone moderate under the bus. The right is slowly adopting the center. And even classical liberals and libertarians. Which will slowly start to polarize the right into real conservatives and fake conservatives until there is a middle a right and a left. But that will happen after the left eats itself

[MarketNews]

I'm not American so I probably shouldn't be commenting but I do have a sense of perspective that most Americans don't. You can't understand what's happening in America until you realize that politicians on both sides are lying to you, even the ones you voted for.

George Carlin was right when he used to say politicians don't care about you. None of them do, except maybe the odd crackpot like Bernie Sanders. Certainly not Nancy Pelosi and certainly not Mitch McConnell.

[bamesjond0069]

Bernie sanders? Lay off the drugs. He's the worst of the worst.

[MarketNews]

@bamesjond0069 He's an idealist. He wants to give America back to the people.

[bamesjond0069]

First i thought it was pot but now I'm sure its meth. Get help.

[ForbesMagazine]

Bernie Sanders is a sellout. He's a part of the party that is supported by large corporations, companies like Amazon, Facebook, Twitter, etc. are Democrat supporters. Even groups like the Koch Brothers are pro-open borders.