El Paso Isn’t Just Another Mass Shooting- It’s a targeted hate crime against Latinos

[sjoes006]

God Bless El Paso but thought and prayers aren’t enough

Words matter, words have weight, especially when coming from on high. It deeply saddens me that this racist act of domestic terrorism was perpetrated by a young 20 something year old.

We think of the youth in the US as being progressive, but young people are also malleable. For a 21 year old his whole adult life has been spent under the leadership of one US President, one Governor and one alt Governor.

That Lt Governor responder to this act of domestic terrorist by telling “Antifa” to scratch Texas off its map. As if anyone who wishes to protest to slaughtering, this act of terrorism, this hate crime is “Antifa”?

Antifascist used to be a given in this country, not a slur. To use any word describing a person who is not down with white supremacy groups as a slur is absurd, but especially at a time like this.

Dan Patrick- If you want a protest, you’ve got one, right on your doorsteps of the Governor’s Mansion.

Mira your job to stand up and advocate for all Texas citizens, regardless of skin color and you’ve stood down for too long.

[lightbulb27]

Sounds like you are right it was a targeted crime? I don't know for a fact.
People are impressionable by words, words are powerful and they can convert them in their minds and hear them how they want to hear them. Who knows what hate this person harbored and why? e. g. was he a victim of some of these people.. did hejust hate them like some southerners hated blacks, etc?

Presidents tweet seemed appropriate... maybe too light, I havent' looked for a video yet. There were massive shootings under Obama, for who knows what reasons... and Palestine vs Isreal before that, etc.. People will come up w reasons to share their anger and loathing.

It's all twisted in someones mind... what do we do about it? I'd like to hear the facts before I say anything.

Some people feel very deeply when they see things like this. I haven't looked... I only read a few lines... I can't feel the terror. I used to live not far from where the 2nd shooting occurred. Dayton is a mess.

The other factor here is the one also tuned out... massive shootings in other cities on a weekly basis... just 1 by 1 or up to 7 at a time, like Chicago and Baltimore. Humans have moved towards depravity. The solution of take guns away... not sure that works for criminals will always want power. But arming ourselves also doesn't work that well, sometimes helps, causes lot of problems. More police? people don't respect them anymore in some cities. I don't know what does other than reforming the human beings... which is timely process.

[grega239]

I heard that it was.
This is why I'll never go to America.
This race shit is fucking retarded

[SpiderManFan2002]

The shooting was also a terrorist attack against Latinos.

All the love to the victims of this horrific attack, from the UK.
❤❤❤

[sjoes006]

😭😔😘 thanks for the kind words. It does my heart good in times of trouble to feel the love expressed between the US and UK citizens.

Our governments my falter but as people we are mostly one, it truly does bring relief and trust it goes both ways.

Thanks for sharing, it’s been rough with many Americans acting as if this is okay and justified.

I’m helping people sign up for passports. They need them under this presidency. I had someone who works under me ask if I could help her figure out the application process, just in case.

One smart girl, she is asking about asylum if it comes down to that for her and which countries would possibly even accept a US citizen’s application for asylum. Not now but maybe 6 months from now.

I was basically like, everyone needs a passport so let’s start there. Let’s get you a passport and that will at least give you the peace of mind that you can run if you need to.

These are not jokes, people are scared.

[White-American89]

You sound hysterical. Why would people need a passport considering there's 50 states, where are they going to go to Mexico, Columbia, Brazil?

But yeah if you plan to immigrate have a passport as most countries are not as soft on ilegal immigration like here in the United States, try illegally crossing into Mexico without a passport or visa lol see what happens.

[SpiderManFan2002]

@sjoes006 Firstly, ignore that guy that just replied. You don't at all sound hysterical. It's understandable I've seen some sick minded people acting as if it isn't a hate crime or a terrorist attack and acting as if it doesn't matter.

And I can understand you being scared and you're good for helping people get passports because you never know.

But no matter what racism goes on, I always remember that I'm British and nobody can change that England belongs to me just as much as everyone else.

America is your country. Don't let this presidency, scare you out of your own country because racist terrorists like this shooter- that's all they want. They want fewer people of colour in their country and that's what they hope. You all run.

You're scared, I understand. But remember that America is yours too. Don't let the racists chase you out, stand your ground and peacefully fight for your country.

<3 <3 <3

[Britantic]

You can understand her being scared but not white women in Britain being scared of Pakistani men, such a hypocrite. I mean what could be a more racist, terror act and hate crime than Pakistani men gang raping young white women but of course you dismiss it because your Pakistani and are racist.
I would recommend she remember what a great welcoming country that both Britain & America is compared to countries like Pakistan and Mexico.
Also hispanic is not a race. A person can be of any race and still be hispanic. Most Hispanics are white.😋

[SpiderManFan2002]

@Britantic A lot of Hispanics are dark-skinned too. And did I say I can't understand a white woman being scared in Britain of rape? No, I didn't. White men can be rapists. Black men can be rapists. Asian men can be rapists. So why would a woman single out just Pakistani men and be scared of them alone?

Should I be scared of white men because they make up 90% of the sex offender register?
Should I fear the church because of "The Jesus Army"?

It is SO ironic how you jump up and down at Pakistani men doing these crimes, when Pakistani men commit these crimes you rightly, describe it as a crisis but when it came to the Jesus Army, to you it was just a "thing" why didn't you describe that as a crisis?

Boys and girls put their trust into that organisation and yes it happened years ago so do you want to know what that means? Those poor boys and girls who were victims suffered in silence for years. I can't even imagine the trauma they went through. Nobody listening to them. Just imagine being abused in such a way and having to keep quiet about it!

[SpiderManFan2002]

@Britantic The bottom line is rape can be committed by any man or woman, and any man or woman can be a victim.

Another aspect of rape crimes I'd like to look into is rape happening to men. Because I feel like that is also an ignored issue. I bet there will be hundreds of men and boys in Britain who are victims of rape, and here we are focusing solely on one case rather than all.

I have no racist agenda to peddle. Grooming gangs with predominately Pakistani men but which also include men of other ethnicities and are assisted by white women are a problem. The white, black and Asian girls getting assaulted need to be heard.

The Jesus Army crisis may have happened years ago. But those boys and girls who suffered such abuse are now men and women today. And I think we as a society owe it to them, to listen to their stories because they have been ignored for so long, and have been suffering in silence. Speaking out about their stories would be like a huge weight lifted off of their chest. We owe it to them.

Rape cases where men are assaulted. Because they are highly ignored too. When I have a spare minute I'll look into those too.

And any other sexual assault case, committed by anybody. Because no matter how long ago the crime was, no matter who committed it, no matter who the victim is- they need to be heard and looked into to prevent these disgusting crimes happening in the future.

Now, are you willing to stand with me to help stamp out sexual assault for everyone?

[Britantic]

90% of white men make up the sex offender list but the majority of rapes & gang rapes are done by Pakistani men despite being a tiny minority of the British population so a Pakistani male is statistically more likely to rape you. The Jesus army was decades ago so you should be more worried about the members of your local mosque.
What's amazing is that you claim Hispanics are being targeted by white nationalists but deny that white women are being targeted by Pakistani men simply because you are Pakistani and the victims are white.

[SpiderManFan2002]

@Britantic "You should be more worried about members of your local mosque" There you go again stereotyping. And what proof do you have to suggest that the majority of grooming gangs are Pakistani? The Jesus Army crisis may have been decades ago, but who's to say something similar isn't happening now? And even if nothing is happening now, just because the crisis was years ago- do you believe those people do not deserve a voice?

[SpiderManFan2002]

@Britantic "What's amazing is that you claim Hispanics are being targeted by white nationalists but deny that white women are being targeted by Pakistani men simply because you are Pakistani and the victims are white."

Wow. There you go again putting words in my mouth. The guy who shot up the Hispanics was obviously a racist as he referred to immigration as an invasion.

These, Pakistani, Kosovan, Kurdish and white groomers targetted mostly based on vulnerability. They targeted girls in care homes, members of their own families who were vulnerable, children from problemed families- because that is what the so-called charity KinKids was masked to look like.

The grooming gang (s), targetted white girls, Asian girls and black girls. The common denominator wasn't race, it was their vulnerability. So if anything it is the most vulnerable in society we should be worried about regardless of their race.

"simply because you are Pakistani and the victims are white." I'm not like you. I don't give a shit about race. I've grown up with all kinds of people. As I've said victims were white, Asian and black. Throwing my ethnicity into this doesn't help your case.

[White-American89]

I dont see what makes any worse than any other mass shooting or mass terror attack. Calling it a hate crime seems pointless. Sure the killer had his motives but like the Dallas murder of 5 police officers or the las Vegas shooting that killed 58 people or the Boston bombing, the Oklahoma bombing, the Orlando nightclub massacre by an afgan muslim, the San Bernardino attack by 2 Pakistani Muslims or 9/11 the end result is the same regardless of race, religion, sexuality or culture the end result is the same- innocent people dead and other wounded & maimed.
As for Antifa well they brand anyone who isn't them as fascists. Fascism is a European ideology not an American one. We in America reject both facism, Nazism, imperialism and communism. We fought and defeated them.
Three people were shot in a drive by shooting yesterday in South LA 2 are a dead & 1 will likely die. Does their deaths mean less because their murderer was of the same race as them? If the shooter was white would this crime be more important and given the title "Hate crime"? Is this just another everyday black on black shooting because the motive wasn't racial?
Crime is crime no matter the motivation or the race of the victim and perpetrator.

[Britantic]

I agree with most of this. MHO^.😇

[AllThatSweetJazz]

“Anti fascist used to be a given.”
Antifa made it a slur.
It’s still a given not to be racist to anyone else. But Antifa are some of the few that don’t think it’s a given while also missing the irony that they are the fascistic people.

Antifa aren’t there to protest over the shooting, they’re their to fuck with the border. That’s who was told not to come.

Being “antifascist” in the most literal sense isn’t being “not down with white supremacy”, your conflating those things.

You can be a facist and not a white supremacist. You can also be a white supremacist and not be a facist.

You don’t get to just make the word good and noble by taking it out of context. Not being a fascist is good, being against fascism is good, being Antifa is fucking awful. It’s just a convenient label to be a fascist under. Just like The Ministry of Truth has nothing to do with Truth, on the contrary, it was ingsoc’s dedicated propaganda institution.

Someone calling themselves anti facist doesn’t excuse them from being mighty toxic douchebags.

[dropkicknj13]

I was going to explain all this until I saw that you beat me to it, thank you lol

[Xlink]

Lol it is another shooting Dylan roof shot up a bunch black people at church.

White incel and nazi are scared of automation and minority's being better than them. These nazi just realized they are mediocre and a minority who started with less are now above or equal to them.

[Vallius86]

Census recently showed that the Caucasians are failing to keep up the population. All we have to do now is wait.

[EmperorOfRussia]

Preachy about "tolerance" and "anti-racism".
But hates White people at the same time.

Typical cancerous Liberal.

[Vallius86]

I hate liberals almost as much as conservatives. But I don't hate whites. They just need to be controlled better.

[SassyAzz05]

I need to move out of America like Canada or something

[zagor]

They have shootings (and guns) there too.

[anametouse]

No idea what antifa has to do with this, but damn we need psych evaluations on people buying firearms. Too many crazies with guns

[selfdestruction]

Here we go. All white people are bad. Take all the guns. Every time it’s the same fucking thing.

[Britantic]

... yet she explains away & makes excuses the racist targeting of young white women here in Britain by Pakistani rape gangs.

[selfdestruction]

Are you surprisedv

[Britantic]

Sounds like just another shooting.

[SpiderManFan2002]

If it wasn't a hate-crime/terrorist attacks then why were the majority of the targets Hispanic? The man was against ethnic mingling too? You think it was "just another shooting?" Are you okay?

[Britantic]

@SpiderManFan2002 on 22 May 2017 at Adrianna Grande concert in Manchester Twenty-three people died, including the attacker, and 139 were wounded, more than half of them children. Several hundred more suffered psychological trauma. It was just another Islamic terror attack much like the London 7/7 attacks by Pakistanis.
How can you on one hand say that the race & ethnicity of Pakistani gang rapists & their white female victims in Britain doesn't matter & the fact that Pakistani men are targeting young white women isn't a hate-crime/terrorist attacks when the majority of victims are white? Why are these gang rapes just another rape?
Are you racist against white women? Are you ok?

[sjoes006]

Maybe look a little bit further into what happened in El Paso and the ongoing rhetoric spouted at rallies by POTUS.

Texas is a HUGE state so driving from Dallas to El Paso is at least 10-12 hours with vast nothingness for at least half the journey.

I would love to go to Big Bend but it’s hard to get to even by plane.

It had been made center to these border wars not because it is the main crossing point but because certain US leaders made it so through public appearances.

The Southern tip of Texas is the easiest crossing and busiest.

Please just maybe sit this one out since you don’t understand the dynamics required for this kind of hate.

Texans have always been familiar with and enjoy the biculturalism of their state/ independent country/ then US state eventually.

Tex-Mex isn’t just a food, it’s an attitude. How dare you dismiss any mass shooting, but particularly one where you have no skin in the game.

People are afraid, people don’t feel like people under the law right now because it has been made clear that laws don’t apply to you even if you were born in the US if you’re brown.

Respectfully, perhaps just sit this one out.

You’re lucky not to remember The Troubles. I hope with every bone you don’t have to experience that fucking hell but that’s what’s on the table right now, at least it seems, if the UK goes no deal Brexit in October.

A hard border in Ireland will be a shit show for sure, plus you’ll help further lead the West into a recession.

White on white violence, you’ll be screaming domestic terrorism which is a thing in the UK.

Trump mistakenly assured people a hard border in Ireland will be good thing but fortunately no one else agreed.

Stay safe and best of luck.

[Britantic]

I didn't dismiss any mass shooting you did by down playing other mass shootings as irealvent compared to the el Paso shooting, mass shooting are a weekly-monthly thing so yes El Paso though sad was just another mass shooting just like the next one and the one after that.
The thing about the troubles is that only about 5000 were killed, that's a drop in the ocean compared to the day to day killings that go on in cities and towns of Britain. I dont know why you mention the troubles because to date the worst terrorist attacks in Britain to date have been by Islamic terrorists, like the 7/7 bombers, then there's the problem of Pakistani rape gangs targeting young white girls for gang rape.
Americans are always scared, no one is going to be seeking asylum in another country like there's a reason they left Mexico and South America.
A hard boarder in Ireland won't be that big a deal, economically it will screw northern Ireland but the thing to remember about the troubles is that despite 30 years of murder by both unionists & republicans the exact same compromise that was on the table that neither would accept is exactly what came to pass so all the innocent blood was for nothing. The people will never go back to that, they won't accept it.
Trump has nothing to do with Britain or Ireland.

[SpiderManFan2002]

@sjoes006 Ignore this girl too. Truth be told, I think she's a racist. Had this been a brown guy shooting up a load of white people, she'd be on this attack like hotcakes calling out racism. But because it's a white guy who shot up a load of brown people, she isn't bothered.

People have died she should at least show some empathy but she doesn't. I wonder why...

[White-American89]

@SpiderManFan2002 lol didn't you write a my take explaining away the sexual assault of young white women in your country because the perpetrators were all of the same ethnicity as yourself? Sounds like you are the racist?
Also hispanic is a cultural identity rather than a race, that is those spainish speakers descended from spain. Hispanics are no more a race than Muslims are.

[SpiderManFan2002]

@White-American89 I wasn't explaining away the sexual assault from anybody. Those white girls getting assaulted are MY people so don't you dare twist things. I wrote a MyTake showing people that as well as white girls getting sexually assaulted, Asian and black girls too- and judging by some of the responses I taught people something because some didn't know that black and/or Asian girls were also victims of these crimes. I'm including all victims not just looking at one particular race.

And yes the majority of the perpretrators were the same ethnicity as me. Some were not however. I'm looking at all the perpretrators and showing people ones in which they might not know- which some didn't.

Why do you fail to acknowledge the victims who are a different ethnicity to you and why do fail to acknowledge the groomers who are the same ethnicity as you?

The ethnicity of the criminal and victims don't matter to me. Regardless of their race, those victims are MY people so don't you dare sit there with own little racist agendas, and use my people to defame a certain group of people has some kind of problem with.

The way I see it is, a victim is a victim and a criminal is a criminal. You were the ones who brought colour and race into this debate, to begin with.

[Britantic]

@SpiderManFan2002 could you write a my take explaining away the El Paso shooting as targeting Hispanics because some non-hispanics got shot?

[jimmy2]

This is a time for prayer for all involved