Is it FINALLY time for common sense muslim control laws?

[RationalMale]

After the latest horrific muslim attack in Boulder Colorado, claiming the lives of 10 innocent White Americans, is it finally time to pass common sense muslim control laws, such as banning mosques or requiring a permit to be a muslim? These could help stem to horrible tide of massacres and killings that have plagued the USA and Europe, if passed, and these measures have support from both parties according to polls!

Let's think about just a few atrocities that COMMON SENSE muslim control measures could have stopped in just the 21st century alone.

9/11. 2,996 innocent people murdered.

Madrid Train Bombing, March 2004. 192 dead.

Beslan School Siege, Sept 2004, 385 dead.

Charlie Hebdo Attack

2015 Paris Attacks, 130 dead

Pulse Nightclub, USA, 50 dead

Nice France, 87 Dead

2017 New York Truck Attack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

These are just a TINY TINY sampling of muslim violence in the USA and Europe since 2000. It is past time to enact common sense muslim control that will protect innocent people from violence and not infringe on muslims. Requiring permits, restricting types of korans that can be owned, requiring insurance and background checks are just a few common sense muslim safety laws we can enact to stem the EPIDEMIC of muslim violence in the USA and Europe without infringing on the rights of law abiding muslims and law abiding koran owners.

Literally only terrorist organizations and radical insurrectionists would oppose these common sense safety measures that have bi partisian support.

[Rangers]

We had those under Trump, but now we have a befuddled dying man in office

[max337]

Trust me the main problem is in the islam simple as that

[SpiderManFan2002]

*Sigh* Look at what the media has done to people. I love how people like you, love to believe you're "rational" independent and free, but all this post tells me is you've been indoctrinated by the media.


Firstly, let's look at how many Muslims there are in the USA and Europe. A 2017 study estimates there are approximately 3.45 million Muslims in America and in Europe Pew Research found we make up approximately 5% of the European population. Is terrorism by Muslims such a problem that we really need to take the discriminatory measures you're suggesting? I think not. Because the reality is, the majority of us Muslims are not committing terrorism and we're living peacefully in Europe and America and around the world practicing our religion- because if the majority of us were committing terror, well there wouldn't be much of the world left.


What you've done is a classic. Cherry-picked a few examples of where it happens to be Muslims committing these disgusting acts of terror. You're like if the mainstream media was a person lol, that's how full of it you are. Let's look at other communities committing terror and then compare it with the Muslim terrorism you claim is such a threat that we need "Muslim control" (whatever the hell that means).


According to CSIS what seems to be a bigger problem than Muslim extremism in the USA, is right-wing extremism. The study states: "Right-wing extremists perpetrated two thirds of the attacks and plots in the United States in 2019 and over 90 percent between January 1 and May 8, 2020" This study, unlike you analyses 893 terrorist attacks and plots in the USA between 1994 and 2020- and spoiler alert, the study states: "Overall, right-wing terrorists perpetrated the majority—57 percent—of all attacks and plots during this period, compared to 25 percent committed by left-wing terrorists, 15 percent by religious terrorists, 3 percent by ethnonationalists, and 0.7 percent by terrorists with other motives."


Here's some more fun facts you'll enjoy reading from the study you will enjoy!


"the number of terrorist attacks and plots by perpetrator orientation indicate that right-wing terrorism not only accounts for the majority of incidents but has also grown in quantity over the past six years."


" Despite a moderate decrease in 2018 to 29 incidents, right-wing activity again increased in 2019 to 44 incidents. Religious attacks and plots have also shown some increases during this period—notably in 2015, 2017, and 2019—but at a significantly smaller magnitude than right-wing events."


So by your logic, I guess you should have "right-wing" control too, now? Oh but not everyone who identifies as a right-wing person is an extremist terrorist who wants to commit these disgusting acts, right? Yeah, well that's the same for Muslims so I don't see why you think millions of Muslims need permits or "control laws" because arguably a larger threat than Muslim terrorism nowadays, is right-wing terrorism. But that's not what the media wants to tell you, because if they tell you that, then they actually have to be honest with you and if they're honest with you, it means no more bashing the mOzLeM's!

[SpiderManFan2002]

Now the study does discuss what it calls "religious terrorism" ("includes violence in support of a faith-based belief system, such as Islam, Judaism, Christianity, and Hinduism, among many others.") but my issue with the it's study on religious terrorism is that it only seems to focus on terrorism done in the name of Islam, when quite clearly religious terrorism in the USA isn't exclusive to Islam. In modern times, there has been attacks in the name of Christianity from Christian extremists too, but of course, because your media won't highlight that to you, there's no Christian terror. Let's forget the Eric Rudolph case, the Robert Doggart case, the Robert Lewis Dear case, the Larry McQuilliams case, the John Salvi case, and those are just a few- it's Muslims who commit terrorist attacks in the name of Christianity upon abortion clinics in the USA, isn't it?

The truth is plenty of extremists and terrorists are Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist- but their disgusting actions don't represent the religion itself to belong to. But of course, because the media has been highlighting terrorist attacks done by Muslims, you are conditioned to think terrorism is a problem exclusive to Muslims. Had the media been highlighting Christians today, you'd be making this post about Christians, had the media been highlighting another group, you'd be making this post about that other group today. People like you love to criticize people in other countries for being indoctrinated by their media, but you're ironically no different.

[SpiderManFan2002]

I mean let me give you, a striking example. What would you call someone who blows themselves up? That's correct! A suicide bomber! But let's rewind back to Christmas... Remember the Nashville bomber who blew himself up? Of course you do, because that's how the media presented it to you. I remember The Sun newspaper in the UK actually praising this man saying things like he was a "good man", a "techie", media continually making excuses for him blaming his father's dementia, that he has family problems. I think we both know, had the Nashville terrorist been a Muslim he would have been an ISIS suicide bomber trying to ruin Christmas and you'd be outraged.

This, boys and girls is why we shouldn't trust our media blindly and we should look beyond and do research for ourselves. Because when you carry on with a mentality like the OP, you end up with something resembling Nazi Germany.

Assalamualaikum and Allahu akbar (chill it just means "God is the Greatest") :P

[SpiderManFan2002]

Oh and since you so kindly linked Wikipedia when it came to Muslim extremist attacks let me also show you another side of the story which hasn't been spoonfed to you by the media: en.wikipedia.org/.../Right-wing_terrorism

[AllThatSweetJazz]

Wow, you wrote a LOT and still didn’t realize the whole point was to flip the gun control argument?

You got baited and bit down hard, just wow.

[SpiderManFan2002]

Ouch yeah I did. But what do you except I’m used to these kind of arguments being serious lol.

And anyway there’s people on this website who call for the genocide of Muslims and stuff based off of believing claims like what the OP wrote, so it wasn’t wasted at all really, regardless of the aim of this post, it will attract Islamophobes- and anyway it’s a bad analogy because guns are objects, and Muslims are people. Guns kill people way more than Muslims have.

It’s not really appropriate either given the Islamophobia on this website either. He should have used a better analogy.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

Well the point is that if someone expects arguments against gun control to be valid then argument such as this twist would also necessarily be valid. So anyone advocating for Muslim genocide would also be arguing for giving up guns, and probably cars and kitchen knives too.

And if they do argue for all that, well at least it’s internally consistent. A lot of people don’t even get that far.

[SpiderManFan2002]

Not really because guns are objects and Muslims are people. Applying the same logic to to Muslims would be taking away somebody’s right to exist because of their religion. Guns are a dangerous weapon that have been used time and time again in mass shootings. I mean America has the largest mass shooting problem, whereas other countries this isn’t a problem. Other countries either ban guns or at minimum make them less accessible.

Muslims are different terrorism isn’t exclusive to Muslims it’s present in all communities, whereas the issue of mass shootings are exclusive to guns.

I wasn’t the only one who misinterpreted the post, many took it seriously- dude should have been clearer.

[SpiderManFan2002]

Again, the nature of this post is Islamophobic and shows that the OP has been watching too much mainstream media to some extent.

Gun crime is exclusive to guns, he made the comparison to Muslims insinuating that terrorism is exclusive to Muslims. If he thought rationally he’d know that this is a bad analogy because gun crime is exclusive to guns and terrorism is not exclusive to Muslims, and there’s actually groups who commit more terrorist attacks in the USA than Muslims, so this is an incredibly poor example.

Yet despite the rise in terror from right-wing extremists the first thing he thought when he thought about terrorism was Muslims. Why? Because that’s what the media has been spewing for the past decade.

Really really flawed analogy.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

Gun owners are not objects. You were picky with your definitions there.
e. g
"Muslims are different terrorism isn’t exclusive to Muslims it’s present in all communities, whereas the issue of mass shootings are exclusive to guns."
I could say Islamic terrorism is exclusive to Muslims.
I could also say mass killings aren't exclusive to guns.
So lets trying picking appropriate words in the future.

"many took it seriously- dude should have been clearer."
Eh, sometimes a punchline works, but I think it's more effective without it. That's the beauty of a proper troll: only people who are vulnerable because of mistakes in their thinking fall victim. Not only that they learn *why* they fell victim. I think everyone learned a lot here from their own reactions.

"the nature of this post is Islamophobic and shows that the OP has been watching too much mainstream media to some extent."
Not really, mostly it's making a point about people's thinking, not about gun control or Islam in isolation. You mean the MSM is being so Islamophilic that is makes people;e react negatively?

"Gun crime is exclusive to guns"
I already addressed the problem with this statement.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

"Yet despite the rise in terror from right-wing extremists the first thing he thought when he thought about terrorism was Muslims."
Firstly, so you wouldn't consider Islamic extremists right-wing then?
Secondly, it's there hasn't been "right-wing" violence. When is the last time someone carried out an attack purely because of a belief in capitalism outside of a communist regime? Basically never. What we've seen are *identitarian* attacks. There's more attacks from the "left" than the "right", but that section of the "right" is too small and ineffectual, that's why they go big when they commit violence. The left just has better propaganda -- more marketable version of racial conflict even though they want the same outcomes.
Thirdly, he picked it because that's the vulnerability in people's thinking. He knew people who couldn't see though it would chimp out over Islam.

The analogy is fine.
Gun owners should be able to have their guns.
Muslims should be able to have their religion.
The actions of a minority shouldn't form judgement over the majority.
And neither should we act like the minority that are dangerous... are not.

[SpiderManFan2002]

I never said gun owners are objects I said guns are. And the USA does have a mass shooting problem, and a huge problem is the fact you lack gun control. Look at every other country’s gun crime rate then look at your own. There’s plenty of people around the world who can live without guns, so what makes Americans any different?

Islamic extremists don’t fall under the same category as the white supremacist type far-right violence that has been rising in the USA. It’s a known fact, and many studies like the one I have provided will suggest so. It doesn’t matter if being right-wing is just about believing in capitalism to you, people who identify as right-wing are going out and planning and committing all kinds of extremist attacks in the name of white supremacy, etc. It doesn’t matter if that’s what right-wing beliefs aren’t about, Islam isn’t about terrorism either- but the Islamic terrorists identify as Muslim and the right-wing terrorists identify as being on the right.

It’s not the same. Guns are a weapon that can be used to kill people when in the wrong hands, and guns are not a necessary item for everybody to have. Moreover, when Muslims commit terror it’s not religious faith that makes them commit these crimes- whenever an act of terror takes place, our scholars publish or reshare religious rulings condemning the killing of innocents, an American professor studied every case for suicide terrorism between 1980-2005 and found that there is little connection between suicide terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism and that nearly all suicide terrorists have a goal to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from places they consider to be their homeland. But see nor you or the OP know this, because you’re too indulged in what the media has to say.

Guns in wrong hands, result in gun crime. Gun control doesn’t even necessarily call for the ban of guns completely, it just makes them less accessible for safety reasons.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

“I never said gun owners are objects I said guns are.”?
And I never said that you said that. I was merely shifting the subject to be the gun owners to have it be a more accurate and appropriate analogy.

“And the USA does have a mass shooting problem, and a huge problem is the fact you lack gun control.”
Most mass shootings are committed with illegal guns, so no.

“There’s plenty of people around the world who can live without guns, so what makes Americans any different?”
There’s plenty of places that live without guns that are terrible and there’s plenty of people that live with guns that do very well. So really it’s a nonsense question.

And just because a place has lower gun crime on the books doesn’t mean they’re better off. Authoritarians always take guns away from the people to strengthen control. They might reduce gun crime to zero by oppressing you so thoroughly and leaving out when they shoot people. Not having guns is a disaster waiting to happen.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

“Islamic extremists don’t fall under the same category as the white supremacist type far-right violence that has been rising in the USA.”
No no. Going out and shooting a bunch of people is the same shit. You don’t get excuses for being a different kind of insane. Also they’re not all “right-wing”. That’s the label *you* put on them, that’s the problem. Every time something like that happens that’s the label put on it. Yet it’s ignored if anyone finds anything to the contrary. A muslim guy just shot a bunch of people and the media immediately takes it to a racial place going on about the toxicity of white men and racist motives, then when we find out he’s not the white supremacist everyone wanted him to be now it’s “no known motive”. I also don’t agree that “right wing violence” is growing at all. It’s one of the buzziest of buzzwords, it’s well established that no honest conversation can be had about it.
But besides all that, Muslim or white supremacist shootings did not claim as many people as black men. But see how the mainstream narrative always has to pick and choose definitions to isolate and fearmonger about specific problems? Personally, I think they’re all problems which can be addressed, but people’s narratives are in jeopardy, so they have to go “b-b-but what about the white supremacists”. It’s obnoxious.

“It’s not the same. Guns are a weapon that can be used to kill people when in the wrong hands, and guns are not a necessary item for everybody to have.”
Yes, they are. Everyone should have a gun and be trained in guns.

“But see nor you or the OP know this, because you’re too indulged in what the media has to say.”
I didn’t say anything about that at all, you just dug up some random info and acted like it was relevant to me. None of that has to do with guns, it was just a waffling paragraph.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

“Guns in wrong hands, result in gun crime. Gun control doesn’t even necessarily call for the ban of guns completely, it just makes them less accessible for safety reasons.”
And guns in the right hands prevent crime – quite regularly. The *very last thing* that gun control does is make guns less accessible to people who want to shoot someone. And that’s a relevant point even before considering that technology makes guns more accessible, which makes gap between the very first thing (keeping guns from law abiding people) and that very last thing even greater and likewise the measure of control/oppression to make it happen. You can buy a $200 3D printer and a lathe and print out guns like the FGC9 very easily. Printing files are available online, they’re open source and very much legal to produce for now.
Alex Holladay and CTRL+pew can tell you all about it.

These 3D printed ghost guns make the idea of restricting accessibility to firearms absolute nonsense. Once this catches on and criminals are mass producing guns for their needs from 3D printers, gun control is going to be a dead issue. It leaves two options really: An armed, trained, and vigilant populace, or totalitarian measures to control any and all avenues to firearm acquisition.

[BlackPrince1]

How about terrorist control laws? Muslims of this generation are getting a bad rep because of a few. I believe bad times come for everybody. If we look through history we can find acts of terrorism committed by all religions more or less. Maybe 100 years from now you'd see more Christians or Jews engaged in terrorism? Who knows what's going to happen? Terrorist claiming to be muslims happened mostly because of political reasons. Politics are dirty and International politics are even dirtier.
They cause many bad things to happen andI don't support discrimination against muslims. Majority of them wish to live peacefully.

[SpiderManFan2002]

Oh my gosh this is a breath of fresh air Mashallah! Somebody with a brain on here- wow thank you so much for saying this dude may Allah bless you☺️✨

[BlackPrince1]

And may Allah bless you too
I pray and hope that every bad thing that's been happening stops and we stop getting bad rep for the actions of the ignorant extremists.

[CyberpunkGhost]

No. You can't have people require a permit to be of a certain religion, or banning their places of worship. Otherwise, we should definitely require Christians have a permit and ban Christian churches, for all the genocide and mass murder they've commited.

Besides, especially the USA would be hypocrites if they controlled Muslims for some of them doing bad things, yet most Americans won't be willing to get rid of their guns after many mass shootings lately, or won't ban white people since most of these mass shooting lately were caused by white people. Can't ban Muslims for one thing and then just defend white people or gun ownership when they've done the exact same thing.

[Rangers]

That's funny, because I'm studying mass shootings and they're defined by the GVA as any shooting in which 4 or more people are killed or injured and does not always except shootings that are later ruled justified self defense after the investigation is complete. Spoiler alert, 78% of these mass shootings are committed by young black men in liberal cities and have a suspected gang affiliation. Also spoiler alert, 72% of these mass shootings didn't involve a rifle of any kind and was committed with a handgun. Haha, you thought I was done spoiling, didn't you? Nope, 92% of the shooters are prohibited possessors with felony convictions but got a huge break because of your social justice nonsense and it not being politically correct to lock a young black man up for an armed robbery in which he shot the owner. Statistics> feelings
Republican> Democrat

[RationalMale]

Actually we indeed can because this isn't a muslim country. It's like how in muslim countries they execute or imprison people for leaving islam.

[EyesOfGod]

Thats literally false most mass shootings are actually done by white men
www.statista.com/.../

www.google.com/.../why-are-white-men-more-likely-to-carry-out-mass-shootings-11252808

wamu.org/.../

[EyesOfGod]

I don't know where you got your 78% but if you go and look up a picture of every mass shooter since 1927 its about 2/3 white men 1/3 everyone else. Show me proof of 78% of mass shooters are black.

[EyesOfGod]

In liberal cities?
The red dots show where the shootings up to 2015 occur its mostly in the east and Cali

[Elena_the_Star]

Good luck doing that in libtard, I mean LIBERAL countries. All the SJW will come out wanting to protect the precious muzzies so they can have their daughters be Talibani sex slaves and executed for blasphemy.

[EyesOfGod]

Yep while other religions can intergrate well in the Western world Muslim way of doing things just don't fly here. Other religions come and are like we are apart of the group now. Muslims come demanding shira Law which allows them full power to kill anyone they want.

[Savage_Wisdom]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." The U. S. Constitution

[RationalMale]

haha the constitution is a living document that needs to be updated for the times. just like how people magically found that abortion is a constitutional right or gay marriage.

[Savage_Wisdom]

You can add new amendments, but there's some things about the Constitution that should never be changed. The first amendment is one of those. Our forefathers felt so strongly that people be allowed to practice whatever religion they chose, that it became the very first law they put the paper. Religion in and of itself is not the issue. The issue is the people committing these atrocities, some of whom just so happened to be a part of a certain religion. Religion didn't commit those acts of Terror, or kill all those people. People commit acts of Terror, and people kill people. So please just stop waving the flag for an idiotic Crusade against innocent people. Instituting what you were talking about is a very slippery slope and will come back to bite us. Because how long before they decide Islam is too dangerous to be allowed in America, or Judaism, or Christianity, or Buddhism, or any religion at all for that matter? BLM committed countless acts of terrorism, holding the entire nation hostage, for half of last year. Does this mean we should ban black people? No! Because that's a very stupid response.

[RationalMale]

Yawn. Why should anyone care? The founders were evil white supremacists so who cares what they thought

[Savage_Wisdom]

You should, it's their morals that founded this country. They founded America on the belief every single one of us is equal. That its' leaders should never be above reproach. And that each citizen deserves an equal say. Irregardless of whatever viewpoints that may or may not have held, these are all ideals that are worth holding on to.

[originalemerald]

I think they say it's muslim. But it's another organization. if you think about it. If it were muslims then why do they let them join the American army. I think it's far deeper than we can see from our own homes.

[BrosephBrostar]

Wow. I should be worried at the amount of people that took this at face value, but I'm just not anymore.

[SuccessfulHornDog]

No, We can't treat people differently because of their beliefs. Actually the left does exactly that with conservatives, but I digress.

[EyesOfGod]

I don't believe Muslim religion can work in the Western world. So i say kill'em all.

[SpiderManFan2002]

@EyesOfGod So basically what you’re saying is because you don’t agree with particular belief, genocide millions of people?

[EyesOfGod]

Yes kill millions to save billions

[EyesOfGod]

Beside Indian Muslims for some reason aren't extremists like in all the Jack-fuckistan countries

[SpiderManFan2002]

Well there’s 1.8 billion Muslims in the world, so if we all were terrorists- everyone would be dead.

Not to mention without a Muslim, you wouldn’t be sat there typing that Islamophobic comment today, because it was a Muslim who invented algorithms and without algorithms you wouldn’t have computers soooooo😝

[SpiderManFan2002]

Lol you clearly know nothing about Muslims lol other than what the TV tells you

[Juxtapose]

lol you are going to piss off so many people with this post and I love it.

[RationalMale]

hahahaha turn around i fair game i say

[Anonymous]

I remember seeing somewhere that a airport in the middle east is very strict against an ethic group. If you are single, male, young, you're gonna be investigated like hell. Perhaps it's racist but the bottom line is that it works.

[Caunsos]

How about improving the mental systems in our countries.

[EyesOfGod]

Maybe we could cut down on mass shootings since in the US we have 80% of the worlds mass shootings.

[K-I-S-S]

So why the "White americans"?

Any people, nationality or race.

No law will protect you and will just increase control over people.

More trained people with guns would help.

[RationalMale]

Same reason that the media shouted that 6 of the people killed in georgia were Asians.

[K-I-S-S]

"People" should be shocking enough. Not all muslims are bad also. And that's coming from an atheist. Even a bit of an anti-theist.

Ignorance drives it. Even it the states, people believe their version of it. And not long ago used it to hate on blacks. Etc etc.

Humans are the main problem, no real solution other that educating more and more people.

The government certainly shouldn't have any more power.

[EyesOfGod]

The moment you say white Americans it exposes you as a white supremacists. If you had said some Muslim fuckwit killed fellow Americans you wouldn't have labelled yourself.

[RationalMale]

Ahh so black people who say African americans or black americans are black supremacists? Interesting!

[EyesOfGod]

Yep like why is it that ya focus on their skin color? It matters if they are American or not.

[RationalMale]

LOL Africans and muslims are not American. Thats like saying if someone moves to japan and becomes a citizen they are japanese.

[SpiderManFan2002]

@RationalMale Many Muslims are born in the USA and African-Americans are born in America.

[RationalMale]

@SpiderManFan2002 They might certainly be legal citizens of the USA, but they are not American. If I and my girlfriend move to Chinese, become citizens, and have kids, are those kids Chinese?

[SpiderManFan2002]

@RationalMale Yes, their nationality would Chinese while their ethnicity would be American. I know that might be hard for you to fathom because you reduce nationality to looks, but yes, they are American. I mean you're a white American right? So your ancestors came from Europe. So does that make you European but not American or does it make you both?

[EyesOfGod]

By your logic you aren't American. Native Americans are the real Americans. You are just a blood of the European invaders.

[EyesOfGod]

at least you didn't hide the face you hate people based on their skin color and nothing else. Closet racists are the worst.

[jerdanro]

Making a comparison to gun control?

[ILikePlants]

Or just mentally ill people as a whole

[msc545]

You do realize this is illegal as hell, right?