There is no such thing as HİGH VALUE

[aceleon]

Like the title says, I don't think there is such a thing as high value man or woman.

I do believe superiority and inferiority alright. Some people have the money, some have the looks, some have the social skills etc etc.

But I believe the wording is incorrect, i think the term high value is dehumanizing and unfit to use for living creatures.

High value is an objectifying term, it suggest human beings has worth because of what they offer, like some sort of tool, there are high value items, items takes their value from how useful they are, we are not items, we are living creatures with emotions, suggesting we are valuable because of what we have to offer is dehumanizing. no one can decide your value but yourself, calling someone high value because they have qualities you want is objectifying them or even worse actually making them objects for your own gain.

Yes everyone gains something from each other but using terms like this is almost makes the person in front of you an salles item instead of your trade partner.

[Miristheiss]

A handsome man, strong, a high character, strong man who has drive and purpose, who is on his mission and he is a contributor to society and has a good income, he is a leader, he has wisdom, he cannot be swayed by emotion or temptation, he is unmoving, he has self control, you trust him, he can provide.

That is a man a lot of women will want and he'll be hard to get.

An attractive, fit woman who is kind, sweet, gentle, faithful, devoted, of high character, saving sex for marriage, she desires to be a wife, be a mom and to have a family, she views it is her role to help her husband.

She is a woman lots of men will want and she'll be hard to get.

[sportsman_MD]

This. Those less desired just don’t want to acknowledge this. But it’s always true.

[aceleon]

@sportsman_MD dude, i literally said i acknowledge superiority and inferiority as a real fact.
i am against measuring peoples value on their qualities like they are some sort of product.
also am i the only one who noticed how what he described 1-has nothing to do with my point and 2- sounds incredibly corny like some sort of low budget dark romance rom-com.

[sportsman_MD]

@aceleon What would you measure/base their quality on, then?
You can’t say each determines his/her own because then superiority and inferiority would not exist and all would be equal. Acknowledging that superiority and inferiority are real comes with the fact that it has to have a basis, which is always determined by majority views of certain qualities.

[msc545]

@sportsman_MD "quality" when applied to humans is at best poorly descriptive, and at worst abusive. It has no intrinsic meaning...

[sportsman_MD]

@msc545 That’s an opinion. Quality, when measured, always has to have a basis or standard. And anything when measured accurately and properly can provide much detail and description.
Getting into opinions of just not measuring it or somehow measuring by another standard is more on ethics than science. If one can provide another basis for measurement, it could solve a lot of problems because people take things to heart. That’s why I asked him what his standard is.

[msc545]

@sportsman_MD What is the basis of "quality" when applied to humans? After you name it, please explain WHY you picked that particular thing (s) as the basis.

[sportsman_MD]

It’s traits that the significant majority prefer, which leads to superiority and inferiority.
Since he doesn’t believe in that, I asked him what his other basis is. Let’s see what he says.

[msc545]

@sportsman_MD ok

[aceleon]

@sportsman_MD nothing. Because i said yes superiority and inferiotity is real but it has NOTHİNG to do with our worth, because we are not products, we don't have to have a value ör quality to worth something, majorities opinion can be damned who gives a damn about majority ör other peoples opinion?

[sportsman_MD]

@aceleon So again you are back to the question: What do you base quality on? How can one be superior or inferior?

[aceleon]

@sportsman_MD dude each subject is superior or inferior i can be a better drawer you can be a better writter, you would be inferior to me as a drawer but superior as a writter, i meant this.

[sportsman_MD]

@aceleon Yes, and we would be that based on standards. What makes a better drawing, like maybe patience and spontaneity, you possess and that gives you superiority. As a better writer I might possess better grammar and tone. So still there is a basis for quality. This is with anything.

So you’re still stuck claiming to acknowledge that it exists but not wanting to admit the basis does, too. Lol

[aceleon]

@sportsman_MD @sportsman_MD OMG dude, will you get it already?
Basis? Yes, for whatever your talent is NOT for your value
Aka you are not your skill set. Your value can't be calculated from that or ANYTHİNG else only your skills can
Once again you are not your skill set since you are not an object which has it's value by it's usefullness aka what they can accomplish.
Others opinion can be a measurement for your skills but NOT your value.

[aceleon]

@sportsman_MD also better watch your tongue with me pal, i have no time for your attitude, save the lol for your friends we are not friends.

[sportsman_MD]

Measuring the quality of your value still must have a standard, as with any measured quality. It's not rocket science. You are just avoiding the truth. Even the internet says "
Yes, in almost all practical and theoretical contexts, quality requires a basis or standard against which it can be measured. Without a benchmark, a definition of quality is meaningless because it is impossible to determine if something is "good" or "bad." (or superior or inferior, etc.) However, the nature and origin of that standard can be highly subjective, objective, or contextual.

Watch my tone with you? LOL I can laugh all I want. Someone who doesn't comprehend basic knowledge cannot threaten me. Try again.

[aceleon]

@sportsman_MD dude, if someone who is stuck on standarts calls me off about not understanding basic logic, i've been unknowingly associated myself with a sociopathic narcisst.
you answered your own question with subjective part.
for me subjectively, i am the best and you suck.
happy now kid? now go try to worth a damn until you get rejected for the 100 time.

[heruncommonsense]

Males have no character. They are simple creatures with no purpose.
They use "BUT I WANNA" as an excuse for lying for sex, nonconsensual choking, rape, and cheating. All males do is let emotional temptations sway them!
Males themselves say that:
"All men will commit rape if they think they will get away with it"

"We need government-issued girlfriends"

"Men are simple creatures who only want food and sex"

"Men are biologically wired to cheat" (Implying that males have no self-control)

"Men fib to get women to sleep with them, it's in our genes"

"We have sex with and injure women without consent because we don't like taking no for an answer"

This all goes to show that males do not have self-control and as a result, can't be trusted. This is why I will never lose my virginity.
If a woman CHOOSES to save sex for marriage, you whine that she's NEglECTinG you or some moidslop like that. The truth is, males just want to control women.
Males constantly whine about marriage, yet you wonder why women are opting out of marriage 🤦‍♀️

[Miristheiss]

@heruncommonsense
Purpose?
They have built all of society. You have running, clean water, indoor plumbing, food in all of the stores, gas in all of the pumps, you have electricity and the lights come on when the switch is flipped, you have every building and structure on the earth, you have every road and bridge and tunnel, everything is repaired that isn't working, almost all innovation and technology and medical breakthrough, almost every business is founded by men, all the best athletes are men.

No purpose? What the holy fuck are you even talking about.

Women? What is your purpose? Men made you washing machines, refrigerators, gas and electric ovens, air conditioning, central heating, microwaves ovens, dishwashers, male doctors invented birth control pills and invented invitro fertilization, grocery stores with tons of every food on the earth and frozen heat up dinners and foods.

Is there a thank you in there anywhere? Look at the soft, plush, freedom ripe world? No. Just complaining and complaining and complaining. I don't think most women realize how soft life is now.

A woman who got pregnant with no man in the past? She was screwed. Now? Welfare from the government. Let the tax payer pay for my loose sex. Divorce laws that give women alimony and half of his assets and she automatically gets custody (instead of automatic joint custody) and he has to pay her money for the kid.

[Miristheiss]

So, many of the men you are complaining about... I agree. Those are most likely bad guys. They are the guys that see the world this way. Women are on birth control now. Women have been raised to where they believe free sex outside of a marriage is 100% good. They no longer need to keep sex for a husband and get married. She can just have sex with the first guy she starts dating in high school at 15. They've been on 3 dates. Time for sex. Women now believe sex is free and there are no consequences. They are unaware they are designed to bond and have a spiritual connection when they have sex so jumping from partner to partner and ripping the bonds apart are damaging their soul. Some women are dead inside from loose sex.

Anyway, I'm rambling. Many men see this new world of free sex and tons of women willing to put out and they just go all in. Knowing they don't want to commit to anyone and they just want all the variety and easy sex they can get. Some women go in thinking the guy likes them and they have a future and don't realize he is just using her. That is wrong of him. But that is what you get when women no longer save it for a guy who'll commit and marry.

Lots of guys do want to commit and marry and a family. The players of society and women who are promiscuous ruin that for everyone.

Once society reaches the point where all women get on the pill at 15 and are willing to have sex after 1, 2, to 5 dates. The rules and natural glue that held relationships together are broken and disaster is all there is.

Mena are this and that. You sound like someone who has given it up to some lying players and you've become bitter.

Your grandmother probably didn't have sex and made your grandfather marry her before they started doing it. They had a family and a lineage. FREEDOM to have free sex (birth control and millions of women just opting out of motherhood or waiting too long and missing out) has kind of broken society and relationships.

[heruncommonsense]

Building society ->is not a good thing<- the world was better in every way before humanity infested it. Besides, I don't know if you're a biology major, but none of this would have happened without complicit women.
If males controlled their urges, I wouldn't give a damn about society because I'd be blessed with the peace of not existing. Society is the ultimate plague.
"All the best athletes are men" is the exact kind of excuse a male would use for assault. But he has sucg a bright future ahead of him!!11!

[heruncommonsense]

Males admit that they are simple creatures. Don't get triggered that I believe you.

[heruncommonsense]

You ask WOMEN what our purpose is, but males are the ones constantly begging for women. Women aren't the ones who wanted to drag billions of people into a shitty world, and apologize by putting a washing machine on it.
If women did what's best, within decades, our purpose would be fulfilled and you wouldn't have any washing machines to build

[heruncommonsense]

I have nothing to thank you for. You're bragging about making the world a shithole.
By the way, YOU BRAG ABOUT THE ACHIEVEMENTS OF OTHER MALES BUT YOU DON'T TAKE BLAME FOR THE WRONGDOINGS OF OTHER MALES

[heruncommonsense]

Soft, plush, freedom ripe world? My stepsister was assaulted by my stepdad when she was like 7, and I'm supposed to feel bad for my stepdad because he lost custody of her and my mom had already divorced him by that point

[heruncommonsense]

My country is a fascist puppet of russia. One man stole the election and was granted absolute power, now he is exiling citizens and destroying the economy.

[heruncommonsense]

How soft life is now? You males are the ones who constantly complain, after getting out of bed with your daughters

[heruncommonsense]

You think MALES are the ones who want welfare for single moms? Lmfao?
You want government-issued "girlfriends" (sex slaves) you literally want the tax payer to pay for your lack of self-control.
I don't give a damn about divorce laws. I'm a virgin and will never tolerate a male.

[heruncommonsense]

Males admit that they are all the same. The worst male you can imagine is every male.
I am not on birth control because I am a virgin and don't have endometriosis. Besides, isn't it men's fault that birth control exists? 😊
MALES are the ones constantly begging for sex. I am a virgin, and I'm supposed to feel bad because males have no self-control!
Males admit that they will not wait to marry a woman who won't have premarital sex. WOMEN ARE NOT THE ONES CONSTANTLY BEGGING FOR SEX

[heruncommonsense]

MALES are the ones who want women to live in constant misery for males' sexual pleasure. You whine when we opt out. The reality is, males just don't want women to have a choice.
Women and males cannot "bond" with each other. MALES HAVE ALWAYS HATED WOMEN.

[heruncommonsense]

Some women are dead inside... from doing exactly what males day to do? And that's my problem because?

[heruncommonsense]

MALES DO NOT COMMIT. MALES ADMIT THAT "Men are biologically wired to cheat"
If a woman does save it, the male will leave. Males are simple creatures.
All males are "players" Males have no brain and no heart, they mindlessly follow gut instinct.

[heruncommonsense]

MALES ARE THE ONES WHO DEMAND SEX AFTER ONE DATE.
You males just hate women, so you are impossible to please. You think any choice a woman makes is the wrong choice.

[heruncommonsense]

I AM A FUCKING VIRGIN. You males always project your hatred of your sexual partners instead of taking accountability. I HAVE NEVER HAD SEX IN MY LIFE AND I NEVER WILL. I KNOW THAT MALES ARE EVIL BECAUSE THEY ADMIT IT.

[heruncommonsense]

Opting out of motherhood? Good. All problems on earth are a result of mindless fucking.
I AM A VIRGIN, YOU ARE BEGGING ME FOR SEX, AND YOU'RE SLUT SHAMING ME AT THE SAME FUJCING TIME.

[heruncommonsense]

Yi Xinpig should drop a nuke on your house.

[Miristheiss]

@heruncommonsense
Yi? He could do that. Of course, China would be wiped off of the face of the earth in a nuclear war.

You are in Russia huh? Putin trying to take over Ukraine. Yeah, that is a shit show. Over one million casualties... death everywhere.

Anyway. You sound too bitter to talk to. You are too far gone down the path of bitterness. You sound like an atheist as well. Well, good luck with all of that.
Enjoy your misery.

[heruncommonsense]

I am a Christian. I went through a small bout of agnosticism when I was like 11, but other than that, I have always been a Christian.
Again, I AM A VIRGIN. Stop projecting your hatred of your sexual partners.
I am bitter because males want to punish me for existing.
I was joking about Xi Jinpig. I am American.
You did not even adress the fact that you take credit for other men's "achievements" but do not take accountability for other men's wrongdoings.
You also did not address the fact that society PHYSICALLY COULD NOT EXIST without women. Because of the passage of time and all that good stuff.
And just to reiterate this, ->I AM A VIRGIN<- I refuse to lose my virginity because I hate males.

[aceleon]

@heruncommonsense girl wtf? i didn't start this take for you people to re-live their traumas.
sorry for your low life scum of the earth stepdad but if you wanna curse an entire gender for a minority of us who went stray then sorry but all of us can show the potential of evil your gender has too and trust me, your gender is capable of much more cruelty than rape.
if you are so fine with not existing no one stops you.
if you are a christian then who are you to question your god's plan for earth? he wanted something called human to exist, he wanted us to create what you called the plauge and he wanted us to be CAPABLE of sin.
so sorry dear but whatever we are living in this world is a test created by God and tests are almost always horrible.
you are right about we can't claim other men's accomplishments and not their faults but you are terribly wrong about society could not exist without woman since if you are talking about giving birth than the reverse can be said for males too.
but other than that sorry dear but either with you or without you we would come to the same place.
when we are this despiceable why even bother with starting fights with us? just ignore us and live your life.

[Miristheiss]

@heruncommonsense
You sure don't seem like it.
Christianity is that the world exists because God made it and he made people and he has a plan for us all and that there is hope and we can all have eternal life.
Men and women both have a purpose and we are both sons and daughters of God.
"I hate males"
Ok. You may need a little work on that Christian stuff.
Males hate you for existing? Sounds like that is in your head.
Virgin? Yeah, that is how you are supposed to be. Until you marry. If you never marry then you should stay a virgin forever.
The modern world, which is mankind's REBELLION against God and the order he designed invented birth control to STOP the natural reproduction God designed to allow people to be hedonistic and just have casual sex without a marriage and intact family unit.

[msc545]

"High-Value" is generally applied to people that others see as having value, particularly in the Capiralist culture of this US:

1. High - value men have good looks, height, youth, and most importantly, MONEY.

2. High-value women are most importantly VERY PHYSICALLY ATTRACTIVE, youthful, and sexually generous.

"High-Value" is a disgusting and demeaning term when aplied to anyone.

[Ninania]

The only people I consider high value are the people who are valuable to me because of our connection, which has nothing to do with money, looks, job titles, or social status. I'm grateful for the people in my life because of who they are, and how we care for and show up for each other.

[KishasDarling]

Came to say this.

[FreyaRed]

High value gibberish is very American thing.

[anon1903]

Its the red pill crap

[aceleon]

@anon1903 i do agree with most red pill things, what i don't agree is that none of the things in it can ever evaluate someone's value.
i can be a the richest, hottest, smartest etc etc person alive and it still wouldn't mean jackshit about my value.
because my value is the value i gave to myself not another person's.

[anon1903]

What red pill advice do you think is valid?

[aceleon]

@anon1903 the part where instead of believing romantic fairy tales you should only do things for yourself.
and also listening to woman is not productive at any case and what you should pay attention is what they are doing not what they are saying.

[anon1903]

1. Fairy tales aren't real. Anybody who develops their romantic POV based on them is weird

2. "Do things for yourself" I assure you all of these podcasts preach the same shit, that you don't owe two jacks to the opposite sex.

3. You should listen to opposite sex for dating advice alongside. It's important to widen your perspective

4. Action over words, wow that's some profound advice which is definitely not stolen from pop philosophy

[aceleon]

@anon1903 umm no, it is not a pop philosophy for me, it isjust something i knew before i even hit the puberty.
only actually working advice i ever heard from a woman was to be yourself.
other than that most advice you tend to give is better for getting in the friendzone instead of anything the guys actually wants.

[anon1903]

Yeah "friendzone" ooh the horror

[anon1903]

Most advice guys give to other guys is how to get laid, so long as we are pushing stereotypes

[aceleon]

@anon1903 yes friendzone is indeed a horror for us because surprise surprise we want more than friendship with some girls
sue us for being heterosexual males
and yes they give the advice for how to get laid because that is what we initially want at first.
again sue us for being heterosexual MALES and not think like females.
so advice from you is getting us to the places we don't want while the advice from the guys takes us to places we want (or not, depends)
so i don't see any problem with this logic, we want something and your advice does the opposite effect while the guy advice does the right thing.

[anon1903]

I do give relationship advice.

But then again, I stay away from straight guys.

So I get where you're coming from.

A lot of women like myself cannot stand straight men because of such selfish mindset they got.

This friend of mine said she'd never date a guy who could take it up his ass, a derogatory stereotype towards LGBT men in general, and I'm asked her how many guys she's gone out with.

Her answer was two 😂😂😂

I thought, yeah that explains the POV.

[anon1903]

But anyways, if you think male podcast dating advice works for you, cheers! It's cool to find things that actually work, that actually suit you 💕💕

[aceleon]

@anon1903 i was not talking about podcast advices though.

[anon1903]

Okedoke

[McLlovin]

Whether you believe it or not is irrelevant. High value is basically meaning what most people want. So in that view what you’re saying makes no sense. There are certain type of men many women want and vice versa, that is high value based on supply and demand. it doesn’t matter about your personal beliefs or anything its just how it is.

[aceleon]

Who cares? This is not a personel belief, it is the reality, only person that their opinion matters is yourself and everyone elses is utter bullshit, how externally dependent you should be to not even understand this? You are so stuck with the other peoples opinion that you don't even see that what they think is completely and absolutly İRREVELANT.

[anon1903]

Its still dehumanising to assign value to people, like products

[McLlovin]

You are missing the point. My point is if a lot of people based on there own likes and dislikes likes a certain thing, that gives that thing more value than something that isn’t liked as much.

For example; I forgot which city, but men can go in clubs for free but women have to pay to get in the club because there are way more women than men in the clubs. There is more demand for men in the club so they allow them in for free and there so many women going to the club so they pay.

Supply and demand its not personal just stats

[McLlovin]

@anon1903 call it what you want im just explaining it. When you are trying to put into view the dating scene it is basically a product. Even more so if you use dating sites because right off the bat you judge there looks if you want them or not and if you’re interested you dig deeper in there bio.. do you not? Lets not be nieve. Call it what it is.

[anon1903]

Right

[aceleon]

dude, how much do i have to simplify my point?
yes people like certain things, yes it may make you more valueable in their eyes, yes it is dehumanizing, no their opinions does not matter.
only opinion that matters about you is your own so your value is decided by you not from people that looks at you like a product or anyone elses.

[Anonymous]

So you acknowledge that some people are more valuable to the opposite sex because they bring things to the table that others don't, but the term high value hurts your feelings. It's "objectifying " and "dehumanizing".

Got it, you're a gen Z.

[heruncommonsense]

OP, do you realize that it's really only males who use the term "high value"?

[aceleon]

1-no i don't think so, just from the replies i recieved in this take you can see it.
2- i'm not arguing who calls who what, i argue the term is objectifying, it doesn't matter who says it, it can be my own father or son and i will react the same.

[heruncommonsense]

Men say that "men are simple creatures who only want food and sex"
If that's true, why do you mind being objectified?

[aceleon]

1-being simple doesn't equal to being an object
2- the things we want doesn't equate we want to be objects, they say woman likes money, would you not mind it if i said why do you mind being called a prostitude?

[heruncommonsense]

But if you're so simple, WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT BEING TREATED LIKE AN OBJECT? 😭😭
I am a virgin. It really takes a male to entertain calling a virgin a prostitute.

[aceleon]

i knew that you would act the fool and take it on to yourself when i wrote the why do you mind part but i falsely hoped that you wouldn't and actually bother to be just logical about it instead of bitter about who knows what.
1- everyone is simple, you womans are too, believe it or not.
2- being simple doesn't mean we don't have emotions or ideas

[aceleon]

oh and having simple desires doesn't make you simple, forgot to remind that.

[heruncommonsense]

"i knew that you would act the fool and take it on to yourself when i wrote the why do you mind part but i falsely hoped that you wouldn't and actually bother to be just logical about it instead of bitter about who knows what."
Not even trying to be rude about this, but that paragraph is so incoherent that I truly have no idea what you are trying to say.

[heruncommonsense]

Women are not simple. If we were, there would be no "Male 'loneliness' epidemic" because we'd all just ignore reality and blindly follow our urges (sounds familiar!).
For fuck's sake, males constantly whine about women being complicated. Pick a fucking narrative 🤦‍♀️

[heruncommonsense]

Being simple definitely means that you don't have ideas.

[heruncommonsense]

"oh and having simple desires doesn't make you simple, forgot to remind that."
What does that have to do with anything?
For one, males claim to be simple.
But besides, even if you only have simple desires, you shouldn't be whining about how everything hurts your feelings. Makes no sense

[aceleon]

umm, no, you are very simple, it is guys who are bellow average iq that thinks you are complicated.
male loneliness epidemic is not caused by you being complicated, it is caused by most guys nowadays being raised by womans who thinks womans are not simple.
i never complained about woman being complicated, am i magically not a male anymore?
and no sweetheart, being simple doesn't mean having no ideas, i get that you have a misandry so rooted in your heart that urges you to sprout nonsense even just to deny what i say since i am a male but can you keep it in check unlike us who can't control our urges?

[heruncommonsense]

... You think all males are "bellow average iq"?
*slow clap*

[heruncommonsense]

There is no male loneliness epidemic. Males admit that they're actually just horny and seeking pity

[heruncommonsense]

All males whine about women being complicated. All. The. Time.

[heruncommonsense]

Being simple does mean having no ideas. Males themselves say that males only want food and sex.
Misandry isn't inuitive. It's just true. I know that males are inferior because males admit it:
"All men will commit rape if they think they will get away with it"

"We need government-issued girlfriends"

"Men are simple creatures who only want food and sex"

"Men are biologically wired to cheat" (Implying that males have no self-control)

"Men fib to get women to sleep with them, it's in our genes"

"We have sex with and injure women without consent because we don't like taking no for an answer"

[heruncommonsense]

You males BRAG about your lack of self-control 😭😭😭🤦‍♀️

[aceleon]

oh my god.
girl you are either a troll or have serious mental issues if just because you encountered a creep that thinks like this.
all men will commit rape? would your own father do the same? or your brother or whoever you have in your family?
government issued girlfriend? do you take incel whinning seriously?
what do girls wants then? someone to give them attention, how is this more deeper?
fib? i don't know what that means.
no sociopaths/psycopaths does that, normally when we injure a woman during sex we freak out and lose our entire rush, didn't you ever heard period blood limping?
also we are not wired to cheat, we are NOT wired to be in a relationship in the first place.
all males complain? do i comlain about woman being complicated? am i not a male?
there is such thing as male loneliness epidemy because due to bad raising and socializing they don't know how to get together with girls so they end up single and horny.
i deliberatly said most and you took it as ALL? girl go check out for borderline personality disorder you have some serious black and white thinking issue here.
males are inferior? let's pretend for a second that all the things you say is true, how does it makes us inferior, according to you we are monsters who takes takes whatever they are, how are we the inferior ones here? from what i see it is the party who gets taken advantage of is the inferior creature that is unable to protect itself, is this some kind of weakness is superior fantasy shit?
i asked about your own father but from what i get you i doubt you have one or got abused by him.
your place is with therapy young lady not here.

[Twalli]

I've never heard anyone call another high value. I've heard them call themselves high value, and their SO has to prove they deserve said high value person.

[basementfox1]

As sad as it sounds, it does exist objectively. Physical attraction and how much someone earns do matter and it's been proven by a lot of studies.

[aceleon]

matters to the OTHERS.
others opinion is irrevelant, this is what i've been saying this whole time.

[Briennette]

Why is it sad?

[Bloodbreath]

You put value on each and every other things or person either consciously or subconsciously

[aceleon]

yes you do, but it doesn't have any effect on the person's actual value.
like my idea of your value has nothing to do with your own value.

[anon1903]

Wholeheartedly agreed

[Anonymous]

Of course there is such a thing as high value. You can call it something else if you want, but it still exists, objectively speaking.

[aceleon]

no, it might make you valueable to another person but other peoples opinions are irrevelant, only opinion that matters is your own.

[Opinion Owner]

Sorry to break it to you, but a single man who is smart, kind, physically attractive, has a great sense of humor and is rich is indeed high value. I understand why that might hurt your feelings if you don't match on any of those criteria, but it won't change the fact that what I said is objectively true.

[aceleon]

again, another assumption freak.
if you wanna talk about the smarts i was top 1 student in my high school, i scored as the 6th among 149 exam taker during my passing preparation exam and i was 15 when i was fluent in another language than my birthplace language and was functional with another and i never studied a single day in my life (to the point i was paying the nerds of my classes to do my homeworks and projects (and what i paid them didn't belong to me)
kindness, well i can be kind if i like you enough but to be honest i play the polite youngman persona too well that even though i was one of the worst i was still very loved by my teachers and the parens of my friends.
physically attractive is subjective since i saw people call ugly as hell people hot and very aestheticly pleasing people as mediocre or ugly so i will just go with what i have: defined jaw, high cheekbones, long lashes.
humor too is subjective but at least i'm very good at imitations so i can always cheat if i don't have any actual humor to spare at the moment.
rich: give me a break, without the first parts you mentioned the rich just a short word for easy way to get cucked by a person who only loves money.
and yet, none of this things or anything else that other people has is not defined by this things.
because we are not products, you don't have the right to asign a value to anyone like they are a purchased tool, our value is the value we give to ourselves, the rest is absolulty and utterly meaningless unless you want to gain something from it.

[Opinion Owner]

Woah, I stopped reading that after a few sentences when it became obvious you just wanted to make it all about you. But I'll ask you to reread what I wrote and notice the word 'if'. "I understand why that might hurt your feelings if you don't match on any of those criteria".

If you are as smart as you apparently think you are, you would recognize that there are people who offer more value to most people than others, and people who have all or most of the attributes valued by most members of the opposite sex are high value, by definition. That doesn't mean every person of the opposite sex desires them, because as you rightly pointed out, people have different tastes and preferences.

But that is beside the point in this discussion. An attractive person will almost always be preferred over an ugly person in the context of romantic attraction. Someone with a stable, high-paying career will almost always be preferable. Someone with a good sense of humor will almost always be preferred over someone with no sense of humor and a bad attitude. Someone who is kind and compassionate will almost always be preferred over an asshole. Someone who checks all the boxes for the preferences of the vast majority of people is indeed high value. This is not rocket science.

And I will add that someone who understands and accepts reality will almost always be preferred over someone who rejects it.

[aceleon]

omg what is it with people here and not understanding what i'm trying to say? how much do i have to simplify to make you people understand my point.
yes, those things you mention makes people see you as more valuable
no, their opinion is not important aka has nothing to do with your value
you are not what others think.
aka being valuable or not valuable to another person means shit about your value.
this is as much as i can simplify, if you are not able to understand what i'm saying after this much simplification then you are not ready to use big talking like your last sentence mrs. smarty-pants.
aka take your attempt to an undercover insult/snark or whatever shit you call it and... fill the blank part yourself, i don't reject reality, your sense of reality is seeking validation from outside caring about other peoples opinion like they mean shit.

[Opinion Owner]

Your efforts to "simplify" your message are wasted. It doesn't matter how simple you try to make something. When you try to sell an argument that is objectively wrong, people who can think for themselves will disagree with you. I understood your point from the beginning, but it is simply wrong. Pretty simple, really.

It's not about seeking validation or caring about what other people think. It's about the objective reality that some people offer more than others, and people who offer a lot are of higher value.

Your argument is purely semantic. You acknowledge that an attractive person who has a good job and an enjoyable sense of humor is more desirable than an unemployed 25 year old who lives with his/her parents, has no ambition, plays video games all day and has no social skills. But you object to the term "high value" because you find it offensive and dehumanizing. You probably also use the term "unhoused" instead of homeless. Am I right?

This is a you problem. It's a manifestation of the thin skin, weak character and entitlement of so many people today.

[aceleon]

again with the assumptions. okay look darling, if you wanna say your value is decided by how other views you, it is your own low self-esteem, you can't say it is objective because like i said before, what others think is irrevelant.
your value to another person has nothing to do with your own value.

[Zack-Bann]

The picture is very fitting to the message

[aceleon]

i don't know is this suppose to be a taunt or praise.
but yes, tyler's most ideas resonates with me, you are not what you offer since you are not a product.

[Briennette]

It does exist. What it means for each person, however, differs.

[aceleon]

umm no. you percieving me or anyone else as valueable or not has no meaning because the only opinion that should ever matter is people's own.

[Briennette]

Well, yes. The person I'm dating has higher value to me than the person I'm not dating. That's why I'm dating them and not someone else.

But your own sense of value doesn't have to diminish because someone may not see you as valuable.

You know, this topic and your stance fail to recognize that there are good and bad traits, there are traits and characteristics that are more desirable than others within a culture or subculture, that there are discriminatory factors when looking to intimately engage with someone. It's kinda like having a type and not being into the person who isn't your type.

[aceleon]

i'm starting to think that i couldn't make my point clear enough.
yes, all the things you mention exists
no, they are not factors in your value because every opinion that belongs to anyone who is not you is unimportant.
so being valueable to another person or not is neither high or low value.
your value is decided by your own because noone elses opinion or the value they put on you is irrevelant.

[Briennette]

Completely disagree with the last point. Doesn't matter how much you value yourself, if others don't see it as such and therefore shun you.
There is a symbiotic relationship with people around us. And yes, they can see us as valuable or not to them.

Goes back to my initial answer. It does exist. Even if you don't want it to.

[aceleon]

shun me? who cares? their opinons only matters if you give a damn about it.

[Allmenrsick]

People are in love with the money

[aceleon]

yes, if they came when you have money they arein love with the money, you are the cuck of your own money.

[RedInnocent69]

If you have to ask, you’re not it

[aceleon]

Wtf? What did i asked? Or what am i supposed to be?
This is a take not a question, i'm not asking i'm stating.

[anon1903]

GaG is a cesspool of toxic conservatives

[RedInnocent69]

Agreed, it’s not inherent value as a person. But life is competitive, and GaG is full of questions around, am I, who is, are you, how do I become, how do I attract… Those questions are misguided. When it comes to the pill movement, there’s a lot of self-identified red-pill incels who’ve deluded themselves into believing they’re high-value sigmas instead of manchilds hiding in their parents’ basements

[anon1903]

Aceleon should try a different site, one where people actually want to listen. Here, everybody is just spoiling for a fight.

Unless you say something homophobic, transphobic, fatphobic, racist, ableist, misogynistic... Then people would applaud you lmao

[aceleon]

@anon1903 i agree.
but sadly this is internet, everyone is toxic here likely including myself.
so there is no escape from toxicity.

[anon1903]

Not true. Try decentralised social media. Like spacehey or pixelfed. You won't get much responses but people there are very sincere in my opinion