I think you can see each and every day that this quite is right on the nut. You see it with couples where you wonder how did that happen, maybe even your own situation. I am certain when people see my family together they take a second look and wonder.
I think beauty is in the eye of the beholder bc everything is about how you see thing not how anyone else sees them, and in the case of yourself, the beholder is you.
More or less; the research on what westerners value in appearance is well and clearly documented. We might disagree on dark hair vs light, tall vs short, or dark skin vs light, but the “golden ratio” is overwhelmingly irrefutable. Only wishful idiots continue to challenge these simple facts.
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I disagree because there is always going to be that one douche that isn't satisfied, causing that person to view themselves differently. But then there are strong people who don't give a damn on what others think because they love and accept themselves. It really just depends on who the person is.
beauty is in the eye of the beholder but most beholders judge beauty very similarly. so of course it's a "subjective value" but that doesn't mean you can't objectively measure it and make true statements about what is commonly seen as pretty and what is commonly seen as ugly.
it's called intersubjectivity. just cause something is "subjective" doesn't mean it's "not true".
Yes. There is a general 'ideal' for the majority of the gender I think. But there are definitely different types for different people.
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I disagree with it completely. I've been made fun of almost my whole life because of my looks. I look more like a man than a woman despite how feminine I try to look. My facial features are manly and because of this, many people agree I am ugly. I've also moved a lot from town to town and city to city. I meet people, and I get insulted on my looks. I've never been called beautiful by anyone. Even my own family calls me ugly.
Not really, everyone might have their preferences but the core beauty value is shared by basically all humans. So you can never say who is the most beautiful person but you can be sure what end of the scale they are on.
People who just 'decide' they are beautiful are silly. Well, you can do that but you don't control what others think. Deciding you're beautiful it's unnecessary for other people to decide if they like what they see.
Yes, but it's still not their decision. You can expect to declare to the world that you are beautiful and expect everyone to fall in line. You can change your behaviour or appearance to try to get people to like you more but ultimately it's up to them to decide how they feel.
Be clear in what you're talking about. If we're talking about self-esteem, then yes you need to have certain levels of acceptance about yourself - while still having an attitude of self-betterment. Physical attractiveness is ultimately up to other people. Personality attraction is also up to other people. All you can do for the most part is accept your circumstances and be the best person you can be. How is that living in depression and isolation?
Well, getting into the psychology of validation is a big thing. You've got positive feelings from people liking you, everyone enjoys this. We can often shut out negative reactions to us to preserve how we feel about ourselves, but it's normal to feel some degree of shame. Shame and embarrassment are how we regulate behaviour. When someone is being an ass you tell them and they are meant to realise and check themselves, this is normal.
For this reason, shutting out what other people think of you all together can be unhealthy. Think about it, if you're morbidly obese and you keep insisting you're beautiful then in your eyes you may be, but to everyone else you're not. If you don't care at all what they think then fine, be fat, but if you care about having a mate then what's attractive to them is the deciding factor.
You can have high self-esteem, but at the same time that doesn't mean being in denial about how others perceive you.
Absolutely agree ! I don't think there is a single person who can be considered beautiful by everybody with no exceptions, even with the hottest celebreties
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Yes and no. We have SOCIETAL STANDARDS. It's not a coincidence that all supermodels are skinny and the men who are heartthrobs have much of the same features.
Outside of that you could say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But regardless what we find beautiful is heavily influenced by societal standards. Some people more than others.
What ugly people themselves to feel better, you have a boyfriend, a guy that like or tolerate your looks, it don't matter if you can't be a model but beautiful people tend to be popular.
Or like I find myself very attractive and I'm sure there are enough people who would disagree 🤷🏽♀️ and that's okay. Everyone sees and perceives things and people differently
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I think you can see each and every day that this quite is right on the nut. You see it with couples where you wonder how did that happen, maybe even your own situation. I am certain when people see my family together they take a second look and wonder.
Look at the paintings of Peter Paul Rubens. I find the women in them to be rather repulsive, but apparently he didn't think so.
Post a picture? My opinion may be different.
Take a look: www.peterpaulrubens.net/the-three-graces.jsp
That was considered attractive in that time period. It meant that you had wealth.
I think beauty is in the eye of the beholder bc everything is about how you see thing not how anyone else sees them, and in the case of yourself, the beholder is you.
More or less; the research on what westerners value in appearance is well and clearly documented. We might disagree on dark hair vs light, tall vs short, or dark skin vs light, but the “golden ratio” is overwhelmingly irrefutable. Only wishful idiots continue to challenge these simple facts.
I disagree because there is always going to be that one douche that isn't satisfied, causing that person to view themselves differently.
But then there are strong people who don't give a damn on what others think because they love and accept themselves.
It really just depends on who the person is.
Mhm mhm good point.
I agree.
I often times hear guys say "oh look at that hot girl" and then all I see is an average looking girl.
I do not think it a guy would say to an average looking girl that she is hot because guys are direct.
Beauty is subjective to whose perspective you are asking for. Everyone has their own ideas of what beauty is, including yourself, ABOUT yourself.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But what can I say sometimes i think fuck the beholder (s) lmao
beauty is in the eye of the beholder but most beholders judge beauty very similarly. so of course it's a "subjective value" but that doesn't mean you can't objectively measure it and make true statements about what is commonly seen as pretty and what is commonly seen as ugly.
it's called intersubjectivity. just cause something is "subjective" doesn't mean it's "not true".
I agree because there has been times where I didn't like something, but someone else loved it.
Yes. There is a general 'ideal' for the majority of the gender I think. But there are definitely different types for different people.
I disagree with it completely. I've been made fun of almost my whole life because of my looks. I look more like a man than a woman despite how feminine I try to look. My facial features are manly and because of this, many people agree I am ugly. I've also moved a lot from town to town and city to city. I meet people, and I get insulted on my looks. I've never been called beautiful by anyone. Even my own family calls me ugly.
It's completely true, for the same reasons you've mentioned in the details.
Not really, everyone might have their preferences but the core beauty value is shared by basically all humans. So you can never say who is the most beautiful person but you can be sure what end of the scale they are on.
People who just 'decide' they are beautiful are silly. Well, you can do that but you don't control what others think. Deciding you're beautiful it's unnecessary for other people to decide if they like what they see.
Hmm... So they should live in depression and isolation because they're ugly? Beauty is not only physical. It can be in a personality too.
Yes, but it's still not their decision. You can expect to declare to the world that you are beautiful and expect everyone to fall in line. You can change your behaviour or appearance to try to get people to like you more but ultimately it's up to them to decide how they feel.
Be clear in what you're talking about. If we're talking about self-esteem, then yes you need to have certain levels of acceptance about yourself - while still having an attitude of self-betterment. Physical attractiveness is ultimately up to other people. Personality attraction is also up to other people. All you can do for the most part is accept your circumstances and be the best person you can be. How is that living in depression and isolation?
'Yes, but it's still not their decision' as in yes it can be personality too.
You *can't* expect to declare... woops
If you think you're beautiful, then why should anyone else's opinion matter. Validation from others shouldn't decide how you feel about yourself.
Well, getting into the psychology of validation is a big thing. You've got positive feelings from people liking you, everyone enjoys this. We can often shut out negative reactions to us to preserve how we feel about ourselves, but it's normal to feel some degree of shame. Shame and embarrassment are how we regulate behaviour. When someone is being an ass you tell them and they are meant to realise and check themselves, this is normal.
For this reason, shutting out what other people think of you all together can be unhealthy. Think about it, if you're morbidly obese and you keep insisting you're beautiful then in your eyes you may be, but to everyone else you're not. If you don't care at all what they think then fine, be fat, but if you care about having a mate then what's attractive to them is the deciding factor.
You can have high self-esteem, but at the same time that doesn't mean being in denial about how others perceive you.
Absolutely agree ! I don't think there is a single person who can be considered beautiful by everybody with no exceptions, even with the hottest celebreties
Yes and no. We have SOCIETAL STANDARDS. It's not a coincidence that all supermodels are skinny and the men who are heartthrobs have much of the same features.
Outside of that you could say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But regardless what we find beautiful is heavily influenced by societal standards. Some people more than others.
What ugly people themselves to feel better, you have a boyfriend, a guy that like or tolerate your looks, it don't matter if you can't be a model but beautiful people tend to be popular.
I mean what ugly people tell themselves to feel better.
A big yes!
Example: for me my like first ex was attractive and good looking, my two closest friends to that time found him ugly/average haha 🤷🏽♀️
Or like I find myself very attractive and I'm sure there are enough people who would disagree 🤷🏽♀️ and that's okay. Everyone sees and perceives things and people differently
Yeah, there are guys my friends find attractive that I think are just meh and vice versa.