Do you think it's cruel and selfish to keep severely disabled people alive?

[Anonymous]

I think it is. When a mother is told her child will be severely disabled and likely die within a few years, but she chooses to keep it anyway, I think it's selfish. They might not know any different but they cost so much to society, they indirectly stress out their relatives due to demanding care and they don't have a purpose, they just exist. I've worked first hand with them and despite mothers saying how much they love their disabled child, they often outcast them from the family and don't bother much with them at all. They're a burden but people are too afraid to admit it.
If I was severely disabled, where I had no quality of life, I couldn't communicate, I was having seizures every few minutes and couldn't do pretty much anything, I would prefer to be left to die. That's how humans used to do it. If a child was disabled, it would be left to die. It goes against nature. It was always survival of the fittest and so the disabled would die because they weren't the fittest and they couldn't reproduce, but that doesn't happen anymore. Except disabled people can be taken advantage of in that respect too which adds fuel to the fire. If an animal is severely disabled, it would be euthanized. We're animals that selfishly hold onto things we shouldn't.

It is cruel and selfish to keep them alive.

I'm not sure.

It isn't cruel and selfish, they should be kept alive to suffer

Updates

+1 y

When I say "disabled" I mean brain dead, can't move much, can't communicate, can't feed themselves etc. Not blind or people with cancer or no limbs. Those people can have full lives as they have some level of ability.

[Anonymous]

First off let me just say to the people who got nasty with you or had to make sure you knew they were "offended", everyone has the right to their opinion this is an article about what someone thinks so to either go out of your way to be mean just shows what's wrong with this world and if you're offended then don't read it, you're never going to like everything and anything in this world so to make sure someone knows your offended makes zero sense. You can voice your opinion in a polite manner after all this is a discussion but to talk down to the writer and get snappy is just mean.

But anyways I agree 100% with what you're saying and I a lot of times say the samething to myself. I definitely agree with the fact that we're animals, because if you look at how we live the basics of it we're doing the samething over and over again that other animals do too we're just dressed animals as I like to call it. I follow a really nice man on youtube who goes around and meets people with special needs and he's shown some people who literally are just brain dead deaf can't talk aren't formed properly who are connected to some kind of life preserving thing, and it's easy to tell that some of the parents are just holding on for selfish reasons. Anorher thing i've noticed a lot of is the fact that you'll have couples who have a terrible life with a deformity or disability get made fun of basically ridiculed, have to have over 30 surgeries and counting for the rest of their lives are constantly in pain who because they have to have children and want to knowing its guranted that their children will inherent the samething will gladly pass that hell onto their children just because of selfish reasons. I know this is way off topic but my mother abused me physically and mentally up until I moved out and because of that i never had kids I've always been terrified that I would turn out like her and would put my kids through the hell that I grew up with, while I have no idea what it feels like to have a kid I do know that you shouldn't allow any living creature go through hell just because you want them there. Almost a year ago I had to make the heartbreaking choice to put my beautiful cat down she had a disease that was slowly parlalying her while yes I could've held onto her for longer but that would've been selfish she was in pain scared and couldn't move, so as you said if you can sit there and kill an animal because quality of life it should be the same principle with us.

[Brokenheartedx]

That's not for u to decide on what someone else's chooses to do..

I had a severely disabled brother my mum didn't kno at the time until he was born.. his skull had only half formed.. my mum wasn't allowed to hold him or see him (in those days it wasn't the done thing) she wasn't allowed to go to his funeral he was put in a mass grave called the garden of innocence they kept her in hospital surrounded in new mums.. he was left to die on a mortuary slab... yup what they did in the late 70s early 80s...
is that selfish to deny a mother the right to hold her child while he dies alone? And how does a severely disabled child affect you? far worse people who drain society rather than a child who didn't ask to be disabled... a slight defect in a developing embryo can cause a disability but you know what else it's a lottery.. so if I were you I'd keep ur dumb comments to yourself.. karma is a bitch dear...

And what if a perfectly healthy kid ends up with meningitis or in a car crash where it loses the ability to lead a normal life and becomes severely disabled? Should just leave the kid to die as well?

Fact your a young woman asking this is sickening...

[JohnJohnn1]

Agreed, very well put :) I'm quite appalled by this question as well to be honest.

[Elisa13]

Im actually quite offended by this topic tbh- it doesn't directly effect me but I know many people, some being close friends, who have relatives who are disabled and have lived short yet fruitful lives. One friend had a family member who couldnt talk, walk, and had to be spoon fed but his presence was enough and not a burden at all!
We live in the 21st century yeah, we have medication and treatment available so why not use it? How about those who struggle through chemotherapy to cure deadly cancers? Should they be left to die too? How about those who must take medications daily and only have a short life expectancy- oh seeing they won't live long its not worth it? WRONG AND WRONG! EVERY LIFE IS WORTH LIVING, whether it be with a disability, with the knowledge that your life expectancy is that of half of the average joe living in a developed country that is, or through chemotherapy in hopefulness and enjoying everyday as if it was the last

[justbanANNAz]

THIS.

[JohnJohnn1]

I agree, especially with her posting this question just a day after that piece of s**t has just killed all of those disabled people in Japan. Seems very insensitive.

[Asker]

I'm not talking about illnesses or cancers, I'm talking about brain dead babies with no chance of a normal life.

[Elisa13]

thanks for the MHO :)

[Debbie8]

My Friend is disabled

[itsallover]

Well, we don't live in the Stone Age anymore, and people don't just leave their child to die because they're perceived as 'weak'. Survival of the fittest isn't as applicable these days, with the advent of modern medicine which can help people with debilitating conditions to live relatively comfortable lives.

I would not hold it against parents for wanting to cherish whatever moments they have with their child. At the end of the day, that's their flesh and blood. They're more than just a disabled child in their eyes.

[abc3643]

Learn how to write a poll question! Option C is very prejudicial... and oxymoronic the way it is written.

Yes, it is terrible if people who are suffering have to suffer. However, the nature of that suffering may be transitive especially considering the rate of medical change. Furthermore, to even advance medicine to cure or correct such conditions, these people need to be alive. No one should suffer needlessly, but no one should remove their hope either. They are the ones who should choose to end their lives or not.

[Asker]

Yeah I am aware!

[FatherJack]

If I lost total independence , then I would want to be put down , that thought scares me , as been self reliant since 17 & now a FT working single dad , hate the though of being reliant on others. Depends on the case , but both my children would want me to do the same for them , if it happened , for example , due to an accident & resulting severe injury.

[justbanANNAz]

what a terrible view. even many disabled people dont view life this way. they're probably more positive about their existence than you are.
by thinking it okay to get rid of a disabled person, such as your child as u mentioned, then YOU are the selfish one, because u stopped them from living to ease your own life. you didn't believe in your kid- you thought that a 'normal' life is the only way to live, and that is WRONG.

[Thisperson98]

I agree, a lot of disabled people see their disability as a challenge and they try to use it to make themselves a better person.

[JohnJohnn1]

Agreed, she seems to think of disabled people as lesser beings or something, at least that was the impression I got from reading it.

[Asker]

@Thisperson98 I mean brain dead disabled.

[Asker]

@JohnJohnn1 I don't think they're lesser beings. I just think it's cruel and unnatural keeping completely brain dead humans alive because we want them around.

[justbanANNAz]

@JohnJohnn1 even as she defends her point, she continues to belittle them.

[Asker]

I don't know what you're on about haha.

[justbanANNAz]

obviously not lmao

[Hidden_P]

I know where you are coming from and from an outsiders point of view with no feelings attached to the child, I would say it is unfair on the child. However, if it was happening to you, I don't think the decision would be as easy and it sounds.

Also, I've met several people who were told during scans or tests their baby is 98% chance they would be born with x y z and would be severely disabled and yet they've continued the pregnancy and the baby has been absolutely fine. I think more research needs to go into accurately testing. People are coming up with ways to improve people's lives every day.

[foighveoirgho]

If they make clear signs that they want to be dead and are in pain then it's selfish. My grandparents work for the state, and adopt heavily disabled children and adults to care for and give them a better life. Despite that they are so disabled, they can communicate feelings at least. Though can't feed themselves, or walk around by themselves.

I love all my uncles and aunts. ^-^

A thing to remember though is that most of these children are born like this and don't know otherwise, so most of the time, unless it hurts them to breathe, it doesn't hurt them on an emotional level. To grossly simplify it for you, if a child was born with a backward foot and hobbled around all their life, they wouldn't know any different from walking normally.

Though, completely brain dead people wouldn't know the difference between being alive and being dead, really. So it's pretty pointless to try and keep them alive.

[Sara413]

If they're completely unable to function and can't socialize in a meaningful way then, honestly, yeah it is cruel to force them to exist. What is the point? So they can sit there and exist for the sake of it? They can't talk or laugh or hug or anything else that makes like worthwhile... I dunno... I think it is cruel.

[blazeisbad]

I am a psychiatric nurses aide so I work with people who range from mildly physically disabled to severe, & all of them are mentally disabled as well (from mild to severe).. because I work with & take of them, I think they deserve life because many of them are still able to enjoy life. As for someone who is brain dead, no. They should be let go.

[wolfie12]

I didn't vote because your vote options are biased. I know a boy that was born in 90es they told his mum that he will not live longer than 10 years old. He is now in his twenties and still alive, he isn't suffering. Some of the reasons he is better is advancement in medicine and some is pure luck. But wouldn't it be sad to end his life just because somebody THINKS that he won't survive?

Again, there are a lot of people who are by our standarda suffering though it's normal state for them and they dont know of better, yet they enjoy their lives.

Who can be better judge for those who suffer than actually those that suffer?

[Jxpxtxr]

Is it cruel and selfish to keep a blind person alive? It's a tricky question but I think if they are born that way they can't know what it's like to be "healthy" anyways and hence might appreciate and love life just as much as any healthy person does.

[Jeeevan]

That's a good interpretation!

[Asker]

Blind people can have full lives. I'm talking about brain dead disabled, in a bed since they're born, unable to feed themselves or do anything.

[Jxpxtxr]

You didn't clarify that in your question besides that children that are born with no brain activity aka clinically dead, aren't actually kept alive or magically revitalised. That legit doesn't happen.

[Spiorad_Aisce]

Okay probably not meant but a bit too soon after Japan killing spree where he wanted to Euthanize disabled people. I am honestly not sure, I can see your point but who decides the rules, the guidelines.
I know families that who have severely disabled members and the thought would never cross their mind. I often feel it is something you can't comprehend till it happens to you. I would leave it to families to decide.

[Asker]

He worked there. I think he realised what little quality of life they have and felt it cruel to keep them alive also.

[DandelionGirl]

So do you believe that this man doesn't deserve to live because he's disabled?

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He wanted to commit suicide, but he's married with a wonderful woman and they have a beautiful child together.

Everyone deserves to live, God forbid a person does become disabled from a freak accident they wouldn't want to live, but some people take the good in, and forget the worst and live how they can.

[Asker]

NO. Fgs. I mean brain dead disabled.

[JohnJohnn1]

Yes they did used to let them die or kill them, 100's of years ago when there was no real way to help them or look after them. However, with modern knowledge that is no longer the case and we're not living in the Dark-ages anymore. You seem to think of disabled people as lesser beings, which in my opinion is quite disgusting.

So my answer is no, I entirely disagree with what you've written.

Also, I think it's quite insensitive to make a post like this, only hours after that piece of s**t has just slaughtered a full care home of disabled in Japan. In fact, his warped reasoning behind the killings are actually somewhat similar to what you're implying in this question.

[Hasaboyfriend]

They shouldn't be killed but they should have a choice to live or be euthanized. I know if we brought in euthanasia it would be corrupted in some parts but everything is being corrupted in some way. I believe though that everyone should have a choice to live or die.

[Anonymous]

I think it is cruel. I have told people if anything happened to me that left me unable to fend for myself to pull the damn plug. I had a cousin who was left totally paralyzed from a car accident. she couldnt speak, move at all, nothing and she was 18 when it happened and she lived to be 37. I could not live like that or want to see anyone else live like that again. It isn't living really.

[Shpongolia]

This question is just like asking if we should keep Stephen Hawking alive, or put him down because of his severe disability. That man has contributed more to society than most able-bodied people could ever dream of doing.

[Asker]

Yeah but he's not brain dead and has a job and contributes to society, which is not what I'm talking about here.

[Oxi112094]

No, I don't think it's selfish to keep your disabled child alive. It would be selfish to kill them and not have them experience life. I think when that child is old enough, they can make their own decision if they want to cut the cord or not. The parents shouldn't have anything to do with it. Suffering is a guarantee in life, you wouldn't be living if you dont experience life's suffering.

[fuqthegovt]

Put them out of their misery. Hell even go 1 step further and start taxpayer-funded euthanization clinics and offer incentives for disabled and terminal people to use them. That would be cheaper than paying $40-45B a month in disability checks. Even more savings if they can also encourage the retired elderly to use them (once one retires they don't contribute much to society compared to their working career, diminishing returns).

[bryon]

I've read a lot of bias questions rescently , but this one takes the cake. So who in your opinion will decide who gets killed and who lives? And what will be the determining factors that will be used in making this decision? And at what point will it become that a simple cold is grounds to be put down. Society are already forced to pay for treatments that some of us don't support and have never had a say in.

[Elisa13]

exactly exactly and exactly! how about those who choose to drink themselves into a coma due to addiction- we still treat them! How about those who choose to make very poor diet decisions and cause themselves all types of diseases, not just obesity but cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes? (im talking about the ones who dont exercise and eat excessively, not the ones who are medically ill)

[bryon]

@Elisa13 so if they make bad decisions , they should be killed?

[Elisa13]

WTH no all im saying is we provide medication to all these people without any ifs or buts and when it comes to disabeled people they get discriminated against... im extending what ur saying

[bryon]

@Elisa13 I see what your saying , self inflicted issues should be treated in a different manner than genetic issued that are belly ins the control of an individual. In retrospect of now being on the same page I would say , treat a person one time to get them off a self inflicted addiction ; after that use a more stringent method

[Asker]

I'm not talking about making this official thing of who should die. I'm just talking about it being cruel and selfish. Don't bring in other shit.

[Asker]

@Elisa13 People who drink themselves into a coma or cause their own health problems shouldn't be treated.

[bryon]

Ahh everyone has something in their life that others don't like or agree with. Almost everyone does some thing dumb at one time or another

[LeFrogDog]

I always she how much a burden it is. They require full time care and are made to suffer all their life.

[Nomad69]

Yes I think it is a waste of money and resources. If they can't contribute and are suffering and or a burden they should be allowed to have assisted suicide or to pull the plug on them absolutely

[HyperNova]

Yeah. Also people who keep down syndrome babies because they want a child at like 40.

[Asker]

Yeah, they're literally taking care of a child throughout their retirement and even up til their death. I've seen the parents and family members and they honestly give up. They get frustrated with them and are exhausted.

[ThisDudeHere]

The dilemma here is that it is equally selfish to keep them alive OR tell the mother that her child has to die.

[Belgie]

You should have said Brain Dead in your actual question.

[Asker]

I thought people would think born disabled, not bring cancer patients into it, who I don't even view as disabled.

[Debbie8]

My friend is disabled

[BigJake]

You know who else believed that disabled people were a drain on society and therefore needed to be euthanized? Adolf Hitler.

[DandelionGirl]

yes and he was a cruel man

[Asker]

I'm not going to kill millions of people though.

[Orchidfur]

... but aren't you suggesting that we should?

[Asker]

@Orchidfur You could let brain dead babies die after birth.

[Orchidfur]

I can see where you are coming from however, a child's brain is very elastic. I was supposed to be born with a hole in my spine and live for 3 hours completely brain dead. My mother chose to birth me and wouldn't she have felt like an asshole if she aborted me only to find out I was 100% fine the doctor was an idiot. You cannoy rely on tests or what ifs because new technologies are coming out everyday. Everyone deserves a chance at life. No single person or government should deny them of that.

[lime_rampljuset]

In the Animal Kingdom those with similar characteristics are either eliminated or abandoned.

[JohnJohnn1]

Well we're not animals in the wild are we?

[lime_rampljuset]

@JohnJohnn1 we're not in the wild, but we cannot let our emotions, feelings and moods blind us.

[MargaritaPeach]

They have no purpose? Nice to meet you, God the Father, Holy one above all else. Didn't think I would meet you on gAg, but hey...

[Anonymous]

I agree. My parents sent me to a mental hospital because I was depressed and they were afraid that I would commit suicide. However if I wanted to die that's my choice; not theirs and they should allow me to die with dignity and not have me locked up in a mental hospital to keep me alive because they want me to live in pain because they are too cowardly and selfish to get over their infantile fears.

[awesometjgreen]

It's not up to anyone whether or not they live except the person. If they wanna live in pain thats they're choice not yours. Yes maybe they can't decide but if someone said kill you because of something how would you feel?

[Sabrina1990]

If you were a mom you would have another saying about this.

[Asker]

I would abort my child if I knew it would be severely disabled. I have human decency and morals.

[Sabrina1990]

And if you didn't know he is severely disabled until you gave birth to him what would you do you kill him or what?

[Anonymous]

They should be able to live. Just because someone is going to die doesn't mean they can't make something out of their lives before they go.

[Asker]

Even if they have seizures constantly or they self harm unintentionally every day?

[Opinion Owner]

You're given a life for a reason

[bcromartie]

You need to clearly define "severely disabled". I work with disabled people all day. Many aren't even impossibly disabled and have no QoL.

[Correctfemale]

Would you work with me 👸

[Flames_864]

It is. If someone is a damn vegetable then let them pull the plug if they need to. It's not fair because they aren't even alive.. Just helpless.

[Anonymous]

If euthanasia was legal, some severely disabled people might end their lives purely because they dont want to be a burden on their carers. Thats wrong because they should have a chance at life if they want.

[Anonymous]

Yes, but it depends. I'd want to die if i was missing my arms or legs.

[scooogy]

It would only be cruel if it was against their will

[Rissyanne]

So are you suggesting to strap her down and force an abortion on her?

[Asker]

I didn't suggest anything. I'm simply asking an opinion.

[Rissyanne]

Well I think you need to let her make her choice. Remember pro choice works both ways.

[SovereignessofVamps]

yes, I bet the hospitals make millions off them.

[SnowHearth]

It's cruel to keep them alive to suffer.

[frogsbae_1]

Everyone deserves the right to euthanasia

[posted]

I like option C, doesn't sound biased haha.

[bobbyxx]

Biased poll really.

[bobbyxx]

You must really hate disabled people.

[Asker]

I don't hate them.

[bobbyxx]

No, you just don't want them to exist.

[Papier]

Please kill me too.